Rock Chalk Jayhawk

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:33 am

No way did I or anyone else see this beatdown coming. In fact, if there were going to be a blow-out, I saw NC being the one to do it.

After watching Memphis dismantle UCLA, I had already handed them the trophy, but now I'm having 2nd thoughts.

Kansas looks like they're playing with house money.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:35 am

After seeing them struggle to get past Davidson last weekend, I certainly didn't expect it...

Memphis looks like a team on a mission...I don't know if anyone can beat them. I was thinking the Heels might be able to but we might not see that matchup.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:41 am

Shoalzie wrote:Memphis looks like a team on a mission

Umm, WHICH team looks like they're on a mission???

P.S.- Am I the only one who's getting quickly tired of the BULLSHIT charging calls that Hansbrough's getting in this game? :brad:

joe6pac · Post by **joe6pac** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:52 am

Sumbitch ought to be fouled out by now

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:56 am

UNC made a decent run at the end of the half to make this more of a game...don't put it past them to get back in this one. Nobody expects a high-scoring team like the Heels to shoot that poorly for an entire game no matter how good of a defensive team Kansas may be.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:06 am

Shoalzie wrote:UNC made a decent run at the end of the half to make this more of a game...

Mainly because Kansas got careless. But hell, who could blame them?

I luv how whenever Hansbrough gets the ball near the basket, he immediately gets double and triple teamed. They're going to make him earn every single point, and damn sure won't let one player beat them.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:25 am

Down to 12...feeling nervous yet?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:36 am

Shoalzie wrote:Down to 12...feeling nervous yet?

Why would I be nervous?

If KU blows a 28 point lead and loses, it'll be the most epic meltdown in history.

I'll laugh at JayChoke fan forever.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:48 am

I know you're not a JayhawkFan...it's definitely making for great drama in the second half. Gary Williams is the biggest TarheelFan right now.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:04 am

My apologies to Kansas...nice response to the Carolina rally.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:07 am

Rack the Jayhawks. Seriously.

I despise Jayhawk fans, but not necessarily their team. Big Brandon Rush fan here.

While I've got this chance, let me just say that Billy Packer is a fucking idiot.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:41 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^

if you want an even bigger laugh go to http://www.wfnz.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; between 3-7 EST and listen to his idiot son do his radio show...

you talk about a fucking idiot...

RACK Kansas...getting to throw this back in Tar Hole fans face for the next oh who cares is priceless...they talked sooooooo much shit and boy have some ketchup with that big ole shit burger...Packers son hates the Big 10 in everything and pretty much everyone else but ACC basketball and SEC football (he went to Clemson), so this will be nice to e-mail and call and rip UNC even though he will turn it around somehow that UNC gave it there all blah, blah, blah, blah...

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:20 pm

War Wagon wrote:
While I've got this chance, let me just say that Billy Packer is a fucking idiot.

wha? there's a limited time frame to make that statement? if so, that's news to me. that's solid hard currency 24/7/365 as far as i'm concerned.

pretty damned good year for KU athletics. BCS bowl win and hoops national championship game. that's high achievement.

game kind of surprised me, but that's the KU team we saw early in the year when they were just DESTROYING people and dropping 30 point beatdowns and gaudy 40-15 halftime scores on squads like it was nothing.

i guess i'm "in" on the pull for KU train. not a big Coach Cal fan. but, like Huggins better Cincy teams, when his guys get their 10 cent heads on straight and play D.....they are fun to watch.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:18 pm

King Crimson wrote: game kind of surprised me, but that's the KU team we saw early in the year when they were just DESTROYING people...

Yep.

I was surprised at the ease of how they were dominating a great team like Carolina, but yeah, I had seen them play like that pretty much all year. I think a lot of people (myself included) got fooled by that Davidson game, thinking that was indicative of how they might play in the next game. Oops, not so much.

Going to be a fantastic game on Monday if KU can bring that same intensity and keep it up for 40 minutes. That's a BIG if, though. They might have used up way too much energy holding off the Tar Heels and not have enough left for Memphis. No doubt, that's a great fucking team.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:09 pm

War Wagon wrote:
I was surprised at the ease of how they were dominating a great team like Carolina, but yeah, I had seen them play like that pretty much all year. I think a lot of people (myself included) got fooled by that Davidson game, thinking that was indicative of how they might play in the next game. Oops, not so much.

what i'm talking about is the stretch before they lost at the Fred, for the first time. lost in Austin and in Stillwater to a
make a run in the conference to the NIT team...that later lost to a scuffling OU team without Blake Griffin by double digits and fired it's coach. KU had a bad stretch in conference. and then returned to win at Hilton (never easy), revenge KSU at Allen, and pound Tech by 50. since then, it's all the same killers. Davidson had em off balance, true.

"bad" being a relative term for a team that is 35-3. the 3 losses were all in a stretch of 2 weeks.

it's gonna be a good game i think. anyway, i agree they may have played their best game of the tournament against UNC.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:59 pm

RevLimiter wrote:Am I the only one who's getting quickly tired of the BULLSHIT charging calls that Hansbrough's getting in this game?

If I had seen any "bullshit" calls, I might have tired of them.

I agreed with every one of the charging/blocking calls that Hansbrrough was involved in.

Because he really is that much better and smarter tan the other players. Unfortunately, his teammates fell into the "this is my personal audition for the NBA" mentality, and they really let their leader down.

If PsychoT returns for his senior year, he officially becomes a stud-for-the-ages.

Monday night comes down to how KU's bigs like Aldrich and Chaka Khan get it going down low. Collins is playing well, and Rush has found yet anoter gear to shift his game into, but Rose and CDR have used the season to date to demonstrate what they're going to do -- outplay any backcourt that dares line up against them. The best KU can hope for is a backcourt wash, so I think it will come down to establishing post presence, and I think KU has an advantage on the block. Of course, whenever I'm this confident about something, you can usually bet the rent on the opposite happening.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:55 pm

Solid take, Dins, 'cept that Joey Dorsey is no slouch when it comes to defending the post. Taggart and Dozier can hold their own as well.

Gonna' be a track meet that may come down to who has the deepest bench, and I believe that's probably KU. Having Collins as a 6th man is a big advantage.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:34 pm

Fun game to watch last night. Got a little nervous in the second half, but all is well that ends well.

Memphis is going to be a hell of a game, these teams match-up well with each other. Interesting to see who prevails.

Does anybody else think Hansbrough travels almost every time he gets the ball? Not sure my biased brain was seeing things right last night!

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:22 pm

Mook wrote:
Does anybody else think Hansbrough travels almost every time he gets the ball? Not sure my biased brain was seeing things right last night!

i do. the ever popular highlight of him dunking over the huge kid from UNC-Ashville he takes about 5 steps, no call. he's NBA ready in that regard.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:09 am

King Crimson wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
While I've got this chance, let me just say that Billy Packer is a fucking idiot.
wha? there's a limited time frame to make that statement? if so, that's news to me. that's solid hard currency 24/7/365 as far as i'm concerned.

Have I mentioned that I'd like to see Jim Nance killed in a plane crash? Either that, or assraped repeatedly in jail after a DUI or other minor offense. Same goes for Packer. I will celebrate the day when motherfucker finally RETIRES. Good God, is there anything that idiot ISN'T an expert in?

Billy Packer, sucking UCLA's dick all game wrote:I don't like this matchup, Jim. UCLA needs to get the ball into Love's hands.

I was forced to listen to those fucking asshats -- the worst duo of "commentators" Ever -- on Saturday, because all four of the Tulsa sports radio stations had other stuff on. You know, really really important things like Tulsa Drillers minor league baseball, ESPN hacks talking about baseball, the Tulsa Talons AF2 football broadcast and the KC Royals. Are you fucking kidding me?

I mean, it's not like the national semifinals are being broadcast nationally by Westwood One, or anything.

It's times like Saturday when I really fucking HATE baseball, and radio "programming directors" of alleged sports stations' obsession with MEANINGLESS baseball.

OK, rant over ...

RACK KU. And rack you, Wags.

In the better part of 20 years watching KU bball, I've never seen an asskicking of what occured in the first 2/3 of the first half, and the latter part of the second half vs a powerhouse that is UNC this year. Absolutely awesome.

Granted, they almost allowed it become the greatest meltdown in Final Four history ... eh, no. Don't think so, or so the team said.

Don't know if anyone saw the photos on the Lawrence Journal-World's Web site ...

http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/2008/apr/06/144425/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Click on the "Photo Gallery" in the upper right. The main photo is of thousands of fans on Massachusetts Street, the main drag in downtown Lawrence. Reminds me of '91, when I lived there. Great stuff, especially because most folks just party their asses off and don't burn cars and shit. (we'll see what happens on Monday night)

kc wrote:pretty damned good year for KU athletics. BCS bowl win and hoops national championship game. that's high achievement.

Definitely. KU's had an amazing sports year. Hard to top it, outside of Florida, in recent years.

Looking forward to Monday night's game. Some of the tards in Stucknut chat, btw, were disappointed that it wasn't a UCLA-UNC final. Bwah!

Wags wrote:After watching Memphis dismantle UCLA, I had already handed them the trophy, but now I'm having 2nd thoughts.

Exactly.

Should be a great game, especially if both teams play like they did on Saturday. Memphis is scary good. To use a cliche, they have a HUGE chip on their shoulder, and have been playing pissed off, this entire tourney. I think you're right, Wags, KU is going to have to play like they did on Sat, in order to win the championship.

If they do, I'm on record as saying, in advance. RACK the Big 12.

And FUCK YOU, Packer.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:08 am

going public with the huge money offer is just going to make the Pokes look silly in the long run when Self tells them "no thanks".

and then what? they offer Kevin Stallings (who is a very good basketball coach at the alma mater) or the flava of the month half that?

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:39 pm

Funny thing is - the same KU fans with inferiority complexes the size of Greg Ostertag who are still bitter over ol' Roy bolting in 2003 won't give a shit about Self bolting for Okie State if Kansas wins it all tonight. If they lose, well, then he's just a huge asshole in their minds. Just like all would have been forgiven with Roy if Nick Collison hits all those free throws in the second half against Syracuse or if Gerry McNamara doesn't go all NBA-Jam he's on fiiiiiiiiiire in the first half.

I wonder what kind of shape KU will be in tonight. if the guards' legs are a little rubbery from Saturday, it's going to be a long-ass night. I just hope tonight is the night Memphis's free throw issues finally catch up with them.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:11 pm

Hopefully it will be a decent game tonight. Overall, the shittiest NCAA tournament in recent memory.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:05 pm

Yes, please let tonight's game be entertaining! This tournament has just been brutal to watch.

Speaking of Roy Williams......

This guy is such a fraud. I said before the tournament started that the very game Roy coaches against a team with comparable talent, he will lose. He almost always does. I know ESPN will always claim him as great because they're just looking at a record. But come on, this guy's entire coaching philosophy is "I've got much better players than you and there's nothing you can do about it." But when he's in a tourney game against a team that can at least come close to matching his talent, he's forced to have to coach. And he doesn't know what to do. I've never once watched a Kansas/UNC game Roy coached and though "wow, that's a very well coached team." My thought it always "damn, that's a talented squad."

In fact, a few years back when they won the national title I thought that was one of the worst coached teams I have ever seen. You could have found a bum off the street to coach that team to a title, and I mean that literally. That was the most talented team of my lifetime and they should have been even better. I know it's hard to nitpick a team that won a national title, but I always felt that team was a good coach away from going down as one of the greatest teams ever.

It's not hard to do what Roy's done. It really isn't. Anyone could win with his players. I'm curious to know the last time Roy had a regular starter that wasn't a 4 or 5-star recruit? I bet it's been 10-12 years. He has 3 5-stars and 2 4-stars starting for him every year. It's pretty much impossible to not win with that talent. Give Roy a roster of 3-stars and he'd never make the tournament.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:15 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Hopefully it will be a decent game tonight. Overall, the shittiest NCAA tournament in recent memory.

Perfect.

On local hack talk, they brought up the point how a casual, uneducated fan would probably say this tournament is "bad" or "boring." And how diehard fans think ut's probably the best tourney of their lifetime.

Couldn't agree more.

The #1's proved they all deserved their seed, and were untouchable by anyone but each other. They all brought superstars to the table. Any one of the 4 could walk away with the hardware, and no one would be suprised by it. 4 of the more storied programs in the history of the sport all brought it to the table and reminded everyone why they're storied programs.

And the casual/bandwagon fans end up saying "Yeah, but there was no George Mason."

Cinderella's pumpkin crashed early this March... like it's supposed to.

Incredibly high level of play by the Big Boys.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:19 pm

TheJON wrote: It's not hard to do what Roy's done. It really isn't. Anyone could win with his players. I'm curious to know the last time Roy had a regular starter that wasn't a 4 or 5-star recruit? I bet it's been 10-12 years. He has 3 5-stars and 2 4-stars starting for him every year. It's pretty much impossible to not win with that talent. Give Roy a roster of 3-stars and he'd never make the tournament.

If it's not hard to do what Roy's done,then how come more coaches haven't done it? And last time I checked it was a college coaches job to land top recruits, why should we punish coaches who recruit top talent? If it's so easy to get those players how could any coach fail at UCLA (see Steve Lavin) or Carolina ('sup Matt Doherty).......it's the coaches job to recruit the best players. If they recruit top talent it certainly makes "coaching" that much easier.
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His first Kansas Final Four team in 1991 had players named Richard Scott, Adonis Jordan, Mike Maddox, Mark Randall, Pekka Markannen.......Roy has coached for 19 years and has won nearly 80% of his games. He has been to 6 Final Fours, 3 Title Games and won one championship. The guy can coach.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:36 pm

Mook wrote:If it's so easy to get those players how could any coach fail at... Carolina ('sup Matt Doherty)

Raymond Felton, Sean May, and Rashad McCants was a HORRRRRRIBLE recruiting class, eh?

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:05 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Mook wrote:If it's so easy to get those players how could any coach fail at... Carolina ('sup Matt Doherty)
Raymond Felton, Sean May, and Rashad McCants was a HORRRRRRIBLE recruiting class, eh?

Look, I think Matt Doherty got hosed at Carolina. And that was a great recruiting class. Bottom line for Doherty though....he lost his job due to "not winning enough" "not getting along with the players"......whatever bullshit reason UNC trotted out. The players, at least Felton and McCants were supposedly leaving if Doherty stayed. UNC allowed the inmates to run the asylum. Now, whether or not any of the rumors were true, I don't know........what I do know is that Doherty is no longer the coach at UNC and in that regard it must not be as "easy" to accomplish what Williams has accomplished in his career as Jon makes it seems.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:48 pm

Mook,

Is it possible that Matt Doherty is just a really horrible coach? If you screw up at a school like UNC you just flat out suck. Maybe Roy's somewhere in between a crappy coach and a Bob Knight. We can all agree he's at least a quality coach. I just have a hard time going beyond that. He's just never showed me that he really is a great coach as opposed to someone that's been blessed with incredible talent.

Billy Donovan just won back-to-back national titles with 2 starters being 3-star recruits. I'm not sure Roy's had a 3-star starter in 10+ years and he's only got 1 national title......with Matt Doherty's players.

Like I said, I think Roy can pile up wins because he's got the players. Does having great players make him a bad coach? No. But winning with a roster full of McDonald's All-Americans isn't very hard to do. You just have to not suck as bad as Matt Doherty.

While Roy has brought in great talent, he's never won a title with his recruits. But it's not hard to recruit to UNC and Kansas. Bill Self's having just as much success recruiting as Roy did and he's also having just as much success overall. The Big-12 is still dominated consistently by Kansas, nothing has changed since Roy left. Remember, Kansas won the national title right before Roy arrived, so it's not like he took over a program in shambles and brought it from the dead. And when he took over at UNC, he inherited the best roster in the country at a program that even Matt Doherty was able to recruit.

I can't think of a single coach that's ever been at UNC or Kansas that couldn''t recruit well.

I'd say there's never been a coach in history that's had it as easy as Roy. And while his record is very impressive, I just do not think of him as that good of a coach. Like I said, when I've watched his teams I've never really thought of them as well coached teams but incredibly talented ones.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:49 pm

Mook wrote: Bottom line for Doherty though....he lost his job due to "not winning enough" "not getting along with the players"......whatever bullshit reason UNC trotted out.

It might be losing to Maryland and Connecticut by more than 30 points apiece in 2002, or losing at home to Hampton, Davidson, Ohio, and some other lightweights that same season, not to mention being used as a speedbag by the ACC. The year he was fired the following season's team was going to be even younger and thinner off the bench.

Or it might have been AD Dick Baddour letting Doherty bring his assistants from Notre Dame, which made Dean Smith go ballistic, since he accepted Guthridge stepping down under the condition that the two of them would choose the next coach and that the incoming guy would keep Phil Ford, Pat Sullivan, and whoever else was on staff. Plus, Doherty never apologized for it, which pissed Dean off even more.

If you believe what you read, of course.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:56 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Hopefully it will be a decent game tonight. Overall, the shittiest NCAA tournament in recent memory.

Perfect.

On local hack talk, they brought up the point how a casual, uneducated fan would probably say this tournament is "bad" or "boring." And how diehard fans think ut's probably the best tourney of their lifetime.

Couldn't agree more.

The #1's proved they all deserved their seed, and were untouchable by anyone but each other. They all brought superstars to the table. Any one of the 4 could walk away with the hardware, and no one would be suprised by it. 4 of the more storied programs in the history of the sport all brought it to the table and reminded everyone why they're storied programs.

And the casual/bandwagon fans end up saying "Yeah, but there was no George Mason."

Cinderella's pumpkin crashed early this March... like it's supposed to.

Incredibly high level of play by the Big Boys.

Sorry, I should have taken more time to elaborate. Look at just the past two weekends, the Sweet 16 and Final Four. 14 games. How many were decided by less than 10 points? Two. In the one truly close game, BTW, one of your “untouchables” came within a buzzer-beater of going down on to Cinderfella.

Other games decided by less than 10 points? 9 of 32 in the first round, 9 of 16 in the second. I don’t need to see a Cinderella team run to the final to make a tournament interesting (except when it serves to illustrate what a total tard Billy Packer is), but I can remember a lot more entertaining tournaments. I can remember the good old days when ESPN had the early rounds, and they were splitting the screen 3 ways to keep you posted on simultaneous tight games.

And it would be great if the more storied programs in the history of the sport all brought it to the table in the same game.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:02 pm

As much as it pains me to do so, I’ve got to go along with JON just a little. I don’t see where Roy Williams is a great in-game coach. It just seemed that when they were falling behind 40-12 on Saturday, he kept waiting for the TV timeouts rather than calling a timeout to stop the bleeding.

Not saying he’s horrible, but that other coaches do a better job of managing the game. And he does get a shitload of talent. I’d love to see what Bo Ryan could do with that Tar Heel squad.

As for a call on tonight’s game, I got your rock chalk Jayhawk right here:

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:48 pm

TheJON wrote:Mook,

Is it possible that Matt Doherty is just a really horrible coach? If you screw up at a school like UNC you just flat out suck. Maybe Roy's somewhere in between a crappy coach and a Bob Knight. We can all agree he's at least a quality coach. I just have a hard time going beyond that. He's just never showed me that he really is a great coach as opposed to someone that's been blessed with incredible talent.

Billy Donovan just won back-to-back national titles with 2 starters being 3-star recruits. I'm not sure Roy's had a 3-star starter in 10+ years and he's only got 1 national title......with Matt Doherty's players.

Like I said, I think Roy can pile up wins because he's got the players. Does having great players make him a bad coach? No. But winning with a roster full of McDonald's All-Americans isn't very hard to do. You just have to not suck as bad as Matt Doherty.

While Roy has brought in great talent, he's never won a title with his recruits. But it's not hard to recruit to UNC and Kansas. Bill Self's having just as much success recruiting as Roy did and he's also having just as much success overall. The Big-12 is still dominated consistently by Kansas, nothing has changed since Roy left. Remember, Kansas won the national title right before Roy arrived, so it's not like he took over a program in shambles and brought it from the dead. And when he took over at UNC, he inherited the best roster in the country at a program that even Matt Doherty was able to recruit.

I can't think of a single coach that's ever been at UNC or Kansas that couldn''t recruit well.

I'd say there's never been a coach in history that's had it as easy as Roy. And while his record is very impressive, I just do not think of him as that good of a coach. Like I said, when I've watched his teams I've never really thought of them as well coached teams but incredibly talented ones.

Matt Doherty may not be a good coach Jon......but it was you who said that "anyone can win with his players".......apparently anyone except Matt Doherty.......need to qualify that next time.

As for Roy coming into a program fresh off a national title, you are correct. Did you know that team was also on probation that year? That they had lost most of the main cogs of the national title team? There wasn't a shitload of talent in Lawrence when Roy arrived. He won 19 games his first year with a team that was ineligible to go to the tourney, and in my opinion it was a damn good coaching job to get to that point. He did not have the same talent in the early '90's at Kansas that he had later in the '90's to the present day at UNC/KU. To say Roy has had it easier than any coach in history is ludicrous. Roy was not a popular hire in Lawrence at the time, he took over a team on probation and devoid of championship caliber talent. He earned is stripes. I know he rubs people the wrong way, but so be it. I didn't hear many people criticizing his coaching prior to the Kansas game. In fact a good many people predicted Carolina would overwhelm Kansas......now that Kansas has won, Roy somehow can't coach. I'd like to hear people question the Tarheels prior to a defeat. I said all year, and I'm sure there are threads here that prove it that Carolina didn't play good defense and wouldnt' win the title. I said Kansas would beat Carolina because in my opinion they were a little deeper, a little more talented and played better d.....that wasn't a very popular position after the Davidson game. The problem with this tourney is that people only look at the last game you played and not at the whole season. UNC had a hell of a year and Roy had another great year as coach, to say otherwise is not really fair.

Back to Roy though, if Nick Collison and Kansas even shoot 50% from the FT stripe in New Orleans he has two national titles this decade.

Look, I agree Roy has limitations as a game coach, every coach does. What I'm saying is that if we are saying a coach with Roy Williams record is a shitty coach, then the list of "good" coaches is a very, very short one.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:53 pm

Roy is not a shitty coach, I just don't think he's even close to as good as ESPN leads us on to believe.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:05 pm

i think Roy is a pretty damned good coach. i base this on seeing his teams run Colorado in Boulder many times....nothing to do with OU. and CU had some pretty good teams with Michel Morandais. Stephan Pelle, and David Harrison. CU beat KU and Texas in 03 i think when both made the Final Four. Roy's teams were getting open floor layups while CU's player were playing grabass and hooting with the fans.

Roy's teams, like Bobby Knight's teams, get a lot of easy baskets....that's good coaching.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:18 pm

Mook wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
Mook wrote:If it's so easy to get those players how could any coach fail at... Carolina ('sup Matt Doherty)
Raymond Felton, Sean May, and Rashad McCants was a HORRRRRRIBLE recruiting class, eh?
Look, I think Matt Doherty got hosed at Carolina. And that was a great recruiting class. Bottom line for Doherty though....he lost his job due to "not winning enough" "not getting along with the players"......whatever bullshit reason UNC trotted out. The players, at least Felton and McCants were supposedly leaving if Doherty stayed. UNC allowed the inmates to run the asylum. Now, whether or not any of the rumors were true, I don't know........what I do know is that Doherty is no longer the coach at UNC and in that regard it must not be as "easy" to accomplish what Williams has accomplished in his career as Jon makes it seems.

I agree.

I guess I was just nitpicking, because I thought you implied that Doherty was a failure at recruiting, which wasn't the case.

I'll offer no argument that he was somewhat of a failure at the actual coaching part, though.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:01 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: As for a call on tonight’s game, I got your rock chalk Jayhawk right here...

Have any of the KU fans bothered to explain what the fuck that means?...or do they not know either... Basically, I'm just wondering if they all just say it and have no fucking clue about the origin.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:10 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:As for a call on tonight’s game, I got your rock chalk Jayhawk right here:

Bet you wish you had that one back... :doh:

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:54 pm

Why would a MU fan start a circle jerk for Jayturd fans?

A MU fan would never utter rock chalk jerkoff phrase.

i tell ya, these KC people amaze me.

You never respect anything from lawrence, ok, maybe bill quantrill as he came back from his raid, but for christs sake.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:08 am

Adel,

You and I have seen eye to eye on things about the number of times Paul has passed up a buffet, but you hit the nail on the head here. I was SO sick of USCN claiming 2005 USC as the greatest team to walk this Earth, but I still wished they beat the hell outa t.u. in the BCS Championship game.

The Mizzou Wannabe fans in this thread pulling for Kansas have denounced their fandom of all things Mizzou and shown themselves as the traitors they are. It is one thing to have mutual respect for a rival, but you never root for them. Never.