Nice job, Left Coast FUCKHEADS

[PSUFAN]

http://www.theolympian.com/101/story/451683.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A Salmon closure? Nice wildlife management, pea-brains.

[Tom In VA]

I hope this doesn't affect Costo's Kirkland brand canned salmon. That shit is good and is lunch everyday.


9.99 for 5 cans and the shit is good.


Actually there's 6 cans in it.


It's Atlantic Salmon - farm raised. So I'm assuming they won't be affected.

Wheew.

This shit is goooood mmmm-mmmm good.

[PSUFAN]

Salmon prices are going to soar, and there's going to be a federal bailout.

[RumpleForeskin]

Salmon is not so popular down here. I refuse to eat any salmon that is frozen, packed and shipped to a store here after I had some bbq salmon at my uncle's place in Oregon. Best fish I've ever had next to the flounder.

[Tom In VA]

Salmon prices are going to soar, and there's going to be a federal bailout.

Yeah those tasty - fresh Salmon steaks and probably those smooooth buttery smoked salmon filets will soar but from what I gather, the farm raised stuff doesn't seem to be phased.

Hell even if they aren't affected they might just raise prices because ... they can. Like the woman said "Look at gas prices," she said. "People are still driving."

Overall still cheaper than the local cafeteria and/or fast food. Better for me healthwise too.

[PSUFAN]

Tom, better read up about farmed Atlantic Salmon:

http://www.healthcastle.com/farmed-salmon.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In July 2003, the Environmental Working Group EWG released a report stating that farmed salmon purchased in the United States contain the highest level of PCBs in the food supply system. In the report, EWG reported that farmed salmon have 16 times PCBs found in wild salmon, 4 times the levels in beef, and 3.4 times the levels in other seafood. EWG recommends that consumers choose wild instead of farmed salmon, and they should eat an 8 oz serving of farmed salmon no more than once a month.

[Tom In VA]

Overall still cheaper than the local cafeteria and/or fast food. Better for me healthwise too.

Fresh salmon cheaper than fast food? I don't think so.

No I meant the canned salmon I get from Costco. They're projecting a 40% increase in price. So that's still under 15.00 for 6 cans which is just under 3.00 a can. Have me a little fridge under my desk with sodas - from Costco as well (9 per 32 pack) - so for lunch I'm coming in under $4.00. Not too much going on around me in restaraunts around here that would let me eat that healthy - that cheap.

[PSUFAN]

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=15802" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course, this is all subject to review by

[Tom In VA]

Tom, better read up about farmed Atlantic Salmon:

http://www.healthcastle.com/farmed-salmon.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In July 2003, the Environmental Working Group EWG released a report stating that farmed salmon purchased in the United States contain the highest level of PCBs in the food supply system. In the report, EWG reported that farmed salmon have 16 times PCBs found in wild salmon, 4 times the levels in beef, and 3.4 times the levels in other seafood. EWG recommends that consumers choose wild instead of farmed salmon, and they should eat an 8 oz serving of farmed salmon no more than once a month.

lmao

There's no easy way out.


The bright side is that one of the bullet points at the bottom said - "Trim the skin and the visible fat as PCBs are store in the fat portion "

The Kirkland cans are nothing but pinkish tender meat. I don't see an ounce of skin in there. But I am probably playing Russian Roulette with PCBs.

Oh well, when my numbers up, it's up.

[RumpleForeskin]

[Oh well, when my numbers up, it's up.

All because you wanted to save a few bucks.

[Tom In VA]

RACK The TommyBoy reset RUMPS.

Yeah, Dins surely has eternal bode when it comes to seafood up there in the U&L. I'd be content with a spot in the U&R too where my wife's family lives. That is seafood lovers heaven up there. Hell points due east and south of me are good. Along the Patuxent River, the Chesapeake Bay, Ocean City, Norfolk etc.. etc...

But unfortunately I live near D.C. and have to take what I can get.

[PSUFAN]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... feFoodWine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's certainly a lot of chicanery when it comes to seafood offerings.

Tom, look on the bright side...as in, your farts are going to start glowing in the dark soon.

[Cuda]

The other coast is no better, but much more hilarious

Vegetarians Take to the Streets for "Poop Chute" Protection
Why should militant homosexuals have all the fun when it comes to extravagant public self-riducule? Yesterday the first Veggie Pride Parade hit New York City:

"We're putting the meat business on notice," said parade organizer Pamela Rice. "We're watching them now."
She was one of several hundred vegetarian and vegan activists who assembled on a plaza down the street from the Hog Pit BBQ restaurant for a march to Washington Square Park to promote the environmental, ethical and health advantages of a meat-free diet.

After the walking carrot and pea pod at the front of the procession came a couple in banana costumes, holding hands as they marched, and then a man in a "Super Vegan" costume with a blazing "V" on his chest and a woman waving a hot pink tinfoil pig with a plaintive sign reading, "Save me."

Bringing up the rear of the march were the ecofarmers with a long tube of pink netting representing a meat-eater's colon. It had signs pointing to "butt cancer," "polyps" and a large plastic "colostomy bag" filled with plastic poop.

"Protect your poop chute," said Jenny Brown of the Woodstock Farm Animal Sanctuary as marchers handed pamphlets to the Sunday brunchers at sidewalk cafes.

If anywhere needs poop chute protection almost as much as San Francisco, it's NYC.

Comments, Buttsy?

[Tom In VA]

your farts are going to start glowing in the dark soon.

Not too worried about that, I've always been a bit radioactive down there anyway. Just ask my wife and former team-mates. Road games were fun. Hell around here at work if I yell "Fire in the Hole" they know to get out.

[RumpleForeskin]

parade organizer Pamela Rice

snicker

[Mister Bushice]

http://www.theolympian.com/101/story/451683.html

A Salmon closure? Nice wildlife management, pea-brains.

Blame Canada, Japan, and the environmentalist wackos who don't allow sea lion populations to be managed. The canucks and yaps don't have the restrictions on catch limits that US fisherman have, and the sea lions just park their fat asses at the heads of the rivers where the fish go to spawn, and feast away.

[PSUFAN]

That's certainly one element. Also, deforestation raises water temps.

[Mikey]

Talk to the farmers in the Klamath River basin.

http://www.pcffa.org/klamath.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Mister Bushice]

Yeah, it's all on those whacky Japanese environmentalists...

Don't mix and match. The japs are over fishing with miles long trawling nets just outside the coastal limits. The canadians don't have the strict limits that US based fisherman do, on their catch totals. The enviro wackos are US based nut jobs overly concerned with protecting the seals and sea lions. Those animals have caused problems all up and down the California coast, but ya can't kill em no matter where they go or how over populated they become.

Salmon fishing has been in trouble up there for the last few years for a combination of all the above mentioned reasons, but the ones we could control, we don't.

[OCmike]

The enviro wackos are US based nut jobs overly concerned with protecting the seals and sea lions. Those animals have caused problems all up and down the California coast, but ya can't kill em no matter where they go or how over populated they become.

Yep. A couple of months ago there was an article in the paper about how they were going to do a controlled kill of the sea lions who were camped out at the buffet. That brought out every fucking hippie from within 500 miles. Unreal. Back then they were so worried about the sea lions mowing all of the salmon that they thought they might have to completely shut the salmon fishermen down for the season.

So it's okay to put thousands of people out of work and fuck up the economy, but don't you dare control the population of a species that reproduces like fucking rabbits? Okay...got it.

[Diego in Seattle]

Tom;
From what I've read you should be fine as long as you limit your salmon consumption to once a month.

And the canucks are pretty much to blame these day for this. The people in Victoria, B.C. can send a message in a bottle out to sea....right from their own toilets.

[Dinsdale]

OK, here's the scoreboard...

You People and the original article - lots

vs.


Anyone who knows even one iota what the fuck they're talking about - 0



You people, along with the media, are freaking killing me ovah' here.


Where to even begin... and I can't even scratch te surface of ignorant dumbfuckery inb a single post on a subject I've dedicated much of my life to sudying...


First off, there's NO commercial season off the Oregon Coast this season? That will come as a shock to my friend who has a commercial salmon license, who I could have deckhanded for if I was so inclined last weekend (weekend before? Days flying by lately), in the short season between Cape Falcon and the Columbia -- which is unmistakably off the northern Oregon Coast. So much for that theory by the reporter in question, eh?


"It's the canadians! It's the canadians!"

Uhm... no.

While the seal-killers are barbarians and aren't helping matters, te two main obstacles to better returns are te Japs and the Alaskans wo I'm told in this thread "will be fine."

Yes, they're "fine" because everyone else's fish pass through their neck of the woods, and they steal from everyone. Alaska's wildlife management is jaw-droppingly horrific, and the rest of us pay the price for it. I'm all about small federal government, but this is well within the scope of interetate commerce," and the feds need to take the managerial control away from Alaska if they can't do it in a way that's devastating to the sport and commercial fisheries of other states.


BTW-nice to see mvscal has educated himself a little better since the last time this discussion came up... sets him apart from most of you clowns... capacity for learning.


The disastrous california runs that have been in the news are a little different story. Besides the disappearance of the fish themselves, I have no sympathy for the calis. Anyone who knows the first ting about salmon habitat can't do anything but shake their head during a drive through the Sacramento Valley. california has done NOTHING to ensure continued runs, and is now reaping the consequences. Very little of california's drainages are good salmon habitat to begin with, and the few ere were have been completely trashed beyond repair... nice streamside riparian buffer, calis. They had a coice between unfetterd irrigation and fish, and they didn't even bother trying to strike a balance.


Aaaaand another thing -- what a marketing coup the wole Copper River scam is. No different from any other chinook, and in fact has less Omega 3's than many of their southern counterpars (which is a big factor in that overly-rich salmon flavor). Matter of fact, the highest Omega-3 concentrations are in Willamette River fish that swim right trough Downtown Portland... sucking up PCB's on their trip.


As far as an across-the-board price increase... the article is specific to Copper River Scammers pricing, and estimates 40%. My friend the commercial salmon fisherman (who might just know a little bit about commercial salmon harvest) was getting TRIPLE for chinook at the dock. Usually pretty consistent over the year at $5 wholesale, this year it's $15 (or was his last go-around). Do the math.


They were talking about killing the sea lions that sit at the fish ladders at Bonneville Dam and eat fish by the hundreds. A court ruling said otherwise. So the new plan was to trap them (again) and move them somewhere else (I'm thinking since the district court is in San Francisco, Fisherman's Wharf would make a lovely new home for them). The plan was going semi-swimmingly, until someone figured out that sea lions need to be almost completely submerged when the weather gets fairly warm... otherwise they die of heat stroke... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... OOOOPS! That was good comedy.



Aaaaaaaand, as a matter of fact... I just finished up a pretty gruelling work project, and there's a darn good chance I might have to just get out and do a little cinook fishing myself this afternoon... which are doing just fine, thanks for the concern. Gotta do some checking first, since with this mambo-massive late season snowpack we have suddenly melting very quickly, the rivers are a bit raging for decent fishing, although it's do-able. Coast is much better conditions, but doesn't have nearly the chinook this time of year (in stark contrast to fall), and it's too far to make an exploratory trip with gas at $3.80. But at some point soon, some fish that's swam across the Pacific and back, avoided all of the nets and sea lions, and made it to the friendly confines of the Clackamas River (all natives return to Portland someday, be they fish or human) is going to recieve a severe blow to his skull and feed me. I mean I know that last time this was discussed, some people from other parts of the country told me I couldn't go salmon fishing this year, but I'll do just fine, thank you very much for your concern.


Themedia is doing an even worse job than usual on a subject they clearly know nothing about, and seem dedicated to not learning the first thing about the subject they're trying tooverhype into a panic (which apparently the least coasters are buying).

[PSUFAN]

I guess his keyboard finally threw a gasket.

[Ken]

Best fish I've ever had next to the flounder.

Jeezus, you need to get out more often, I'd say. Plethora of outstanding fish besides Salmon and Flounder (neither of which I would turn my nose away from, btw).

[RumpleForeskin]

I've had it all, Ken. Just preference and the way it was prepared had something to do with it.

[Dinsdale]

There's an ocean sport coho season in a couple of weeks-btw.

Very low quota this year, though. Probably get the 9000 fish in a weekend.

[RumpleForeskin]

Bump


Did anyone see that report on 60 minutes last night? The bureaucratic bullshit prevails again.

[Dinsdale]

Didn't see it, heard a long preview of it discussed.

I'm not sure if the 60 Minutes segment discussed it, but the bureaucracy is unbelievable. Your tax dollars aren't at work...


And not to go all Dinsdale, but... I know people. Lots of people, actually. One works for the whatever-the-fuck it's called tribal fishing council as a lawyer/lobbyist (yeah, he's a scumbag lawyer who I do my best to avoid associating with). The Injun Fish Folk get federal dollars to do what basically amounts to lobbying/fighting... with the Bonnevile Power Administration... which the feds give huge sums of cash to, so they can have adequate legal representation on fisheries legal matters... which come about because of the Injuns federally subsidized legal representation.


Yup -- you read that right, and unless you know or know of people in that dirty, dirty, criminally dirty beauracracy, you probably wouldn't know how badly you're getting scammed. But the feds take your money and give it to the BPA, so they can fight off the legal challenges that the fed finances the Injuns to bring against the BPA.


Fucking brilliant.

And what's really funny/sad, is it don't matter what fucking court ruling comes down... the Dirty Drunken Injuns will just string their gillnets across tributary mouths and illegally take all the fish they want (endangered native stocks included), and they are NEVER subject to any legal consequences for doing so, regardless whether they were caught red handed or not. Frankly, I was even unaware how widespeard the "fuck whitey" Injun problem was until the local sportfishing community finally got sick of it, and are trying to keep an eye on them, take pictures and record vehicles, and calling the Tribal Fisheries folks... who send them away, confiscate their nets... then return the nets to the tribe. But since people are now documenting these scumbags' activities, something needs to change, or you're going to start hearing about a new version of Cowboys and Indians being played out in the Columbia Gorge (which didn't end well for the Injuns last time around... what with the Exterminators running around and whatsuch, and the fed reimbursing the vigilantes for any expenses they incurred while offing Injuns... the history books often ignore or downplay the tremendously violent conflict between Americans and the natives in the Northwest Indian Wars).


And funny thing... about 25 years ago, in Chile and Argentina, they started a few commercial chinook farms on their largely uninhabited coastal plains. They were abandoned. As of this year, chinook are thriving, and have been labelled an "invasive species" in South America, and they can't get rid of them, and their numbers keep increasing. So much for that whole "ocean conditions" argument, eh? Over 250,000,000 years, nookers have seen pretty much all there is to see for ocean conditions. They still returned by the billions. Now the "ocean/climate conditions" have been shot down as a strawman, it will be interesting to see the clueless bureaucrats start pointing fingers elsewhere, since their standard "not our fault" argument has essentially been taken off the table.

I'm sure they'll continue spending billions and billions of dollars on programs that have all-but-proven not to work. The sportfishers are starting to organize better, and are making their voice heard, and are rapidly becoming citizen watchdogs for the bullshit... like allowing antiquated gill net permits to continue to be used on the Columbia (and often well beyond legal limits), when they're cutting off sportfishing (even though sport catch is a drop in the bucket compared to commercial take, shocking since sport catch can be managed selectively to whack hatchery fish and releasing native/endangered strains, whereas gillnets don't offer that option... how many of the endangered Snake River Sockeye have to die in a net before it puts a dent in the returning spawners -- which have numbered as low as 3 in recent years... not "three hundred thousand," not "three thousand"... three.)


Very interesting times to be among the salmon sportfishing community right now. Battle lines are being drawn up.


And on a related note, I've been watching Clackamas water temps like a hawk. This has been an insane year for spring weather, with record late-season snowpack, and early-June water temps the likes of which I don't recall seeing. The Willamette River spring runs which were predicted to be disastrous, are actually looking like they're mostly just late. The Willamette was reopened a few days ago, after a very early closure of the Lower River (below the Falls in the Portland Area). Now, it don't look so bad... they were late. And for about a month or two, they've been kegging up (that's a salmon fishing term) at the mouth of the Clack (not that anyone cares, but the confluence of the Willamette and Clackamas is the End of the Oregon Trail, where they disbanded the wagon trains... so to commemorate the location, they built a McDonalds there... oh, and a park, I guess). Once that water hits 55 degrees, some motherfucking chinook will feel my wrath (I'll only take hatchery fish, whether regulations dictate it or not, since I'm an old enough hand to be able to tell the difference between them with a quick assessment, as a general rule. Lots of hatchery beasts on the Clack, and it's close to home).


But don't let the bureaucrats fool you with their lies -- the Injuns with their stupid, outdated treaties are a BIG problem on the World's Greatest Salmon Stream... don't let anyfuckingbody tell you any different. Then when they kill the last fucking fish, they'll sue the federal government for some utter horseshit treaty violation... and win, thanks to the fed financing their frivolous lawsuits... hell, they just paid them $900,000,000 just to keep them from siung Bonneville Power over the fishery policy at one fucking dam. We could give them hundreds of billions to buy out their gillnetting "rights," and the scumbags would still poach fish by the thousands and thousands...

It's a problem that no one wants to adress.

[Mikey]

Damn.

I just saw this:

http://www.kingsseafood.com/WaterGrill_ ... PR0607.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

on the website for the restaurant I'll be eating at on Wednesday night.

I was thinking, damn I'm gonna love me some good Yukon River Chinook (even if dins thinks it's been out of the water waaaay to long). Then I saw the date on the release was June 18 200fucking7.

I wonder if they'll have any this year...

[Dinsdale]

This has been an insane year for spring weather, with record late-season snowpack

I'm guessing much of the remaining snowpack is coming down to see us lowlanders soon:






Yowza.