Robert Byrd Endorses Obama

[Dr_Phibes]

I've never seen a person who claimed to know Byrd personally exhibit animosity towards him. It's the mvscals and Cuda's of the world who buy into the manufactured hate spewed by the right wing echo chambers.

The only reason I even know who he is, is the fact that a few years ago when everyone was in a paranoid frenzy and the height of discourse was 'for us or against us', 'like Nazis' or 'hate our freedom', (see any Diogenes post) - he came out with these great thundering speeches that kicked holes in all the cheap devices everyone was using - and he was probably the only one doing it.

Great to see it earned him the prefix of 'former Klan member' in the press.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Here's what I have on you so far:

. . .
Republicans = racists because Ronald Reagan got an endorsement from the KKK, one that he categorically rejected.

I don't pay much attention to endorsements one way or the other.

Having said that, Ronald Reagan opened his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS (if the relevance of that escapes you, a quick google search will fix it) with a speech on states' rights. Anyone who doesn't see the racial undertones in that is either a liar, an apologist, a moron, or some combination thereof.

[Mikey]

Yeah, Wright's bad enough. But his ilk? Shit you can smell that from a mile away.

[Risa]

So how far into Obama's presidency can we expect the executive order establishing "Loyalty-Security Reviews" and are you lobbying for a position on them and using your posts here to build your resume ?

Obama isn't Hillary. That's not really fair.

[Goober McTuber]

Obama isn't Hillary.

Good point. Hillary probably has a bigger dick.

[Tom In VA]

Having said that, Ronald Reagan opened his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS (if the relevance of that escapes you, a quick google search will fix it) with a speech on states' rights. Anyone who doesn't see the racial undertones in that is either a liar, an apologist, a moron, or some combination thereof.

I'm not a liar.
I'm not an apologist.
Okay, so I'm a moron. But now, I'm enlightened.

So Reagan, was subversively trying to employ "Southern Strategy". While coming out and speaking pro "states rights" in Mississippi. While he didn't explicity refer to African Americans in a derogatory manner or mention support for segragation, "Intelligent" people like you Terry are able to extrapolate a whole dynamic in his speech as - supporting a return to segragation. Therefore Reagan is a racist and not deserving of your vote. I was too young to vote during his Administration.


So we've established that you're intelligent, not an apologist, and not a moron as it pertains to Reagan. Because you see right through him.


Does that just make you a lying sack of shit when we apply the same "intelligence" to Obama ?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Good thing Reagan isn't running. Care to comment on the "racial undertones" of Obumble's association with Rev Wright and his ilk?

If the worst you can do to Obama is tie him into some shit from about three or four sermons given by his pastor over a 20-year period, you might as well start calling him President Obama right now.

[BSmack]

Good thing Reagan isn't running. Care to comment on the "racial undertones" of Obumble's association with Rev Wright and his ilk?

If the worst you can do to Obama is tie him into some shit from about three or four sermons given by his pastor over a 20-year period, you might as well start calling him President Obama right now.

No need to rush him into it. As long as he's on board by 1-20-09 it will all be good.

[Tom In VA]

As long as he's on board by 1-20-09 it will all be good.

It's an exciting possibility to be sure, but can you elaborate on "all will be good". While the milestone in U.S. History is exciting and something to be celebrated, I don't think Obama is the right "first black president" - I can't see what you must be seeing when say "all will be good".

Maybe another thread topic or not, but I am curious. Do you really think he'll be able to "get the country" back on track or is just simply the fact a huge thorn (Bush) will be removed that relief from that = "all will be good".

[Mikey]

While the milestone in U.S. History is exciting and something to be celebrated, I don't think Obama is the right "first black president".

So you're thinking Sharpton...or maybe Jessah?

[Tom In VA]

While the milestone in U.S. History is exciting and something to be celebrated, I don't think Obama is the right "first black president".

So you're thinking Sharpton...or maybe Jessah?

Despite the attempts by the DNC to lynch the likes of Clarence Thomas, there are a variety of Libertarian and Conservative blacks out there - blacks who have actually endured the issues Mrs. Obama bemoans in her writings (Obama himself even distances himself from claiming similiar experience) and overcome them.

I would have liked to have seen Colin Powell, Gen. Honore of "Katrina Fame" comes to mind as a leader. I appreciate the writings of the likes of Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, etc.. etc.. These are authentic "black men" who have authority to speak on the "black experience" in America. And boy, do they.

Anyone of those would be a more appealing candidate to me than Obama.

You mention Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, I respect them more than I respect Obama. They're at least, authentic.

[Tom In VA]

mvscal, I'd stop calling him Onogga. Seriously, it's for your own good. I think the man will be taking the Oath of Office in Jan. 09 and from the looks of things - not voting for him, or calling him names, will get you labelled a racist and punished accordingly.

While the Dems were busy leading the charge against the "Patriot Act" and it's draconian measures to stop terrorists, they've secretly added their own to - - -

A housing bill (alleged).

http://www.openmarket.org/2008/05/23/fi ... sing-bill/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Goober McTuber]

mvscal, I'd stop calling him Onogga. Seriously, it's for your own good. I think the man will be taking the Oath of Office in Jan. 09 and from the looks of things - not voting for him, or calling him names, will get you labelled a racist and punished accordingly.

While the Dems were busy leading the charge against the "Patriot Act" and it's draconian measures to stop terrorists, they've secretly added their own to - - -

A housing bill (alleged).

http://www.openmarket.org/2008/05/23/fi ... sing-bill/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The fingerprint provisions are contained in a “manager’s amendment” that was hammered out by committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn, and Ranking Member Richard Shelby, R-Ala., on Monday and attached the next day to a broader housing bailout bill that had been scheduled for a comittee vote.

Your own link shows it to be a bipartisan effort, you disingenous little whiner.

[Dinsdale]

Let's just cut to the chase, and pay half the population to watch over the other half... which is the logical conclusion to today's lust for spying on John Q.

[JayDuck]

mvscal, I'd stop calling him Onogga. Seriously, it's for your own good. I think the man will be taking the Oath of Office in Jan. 09 and from the looks of things - not voting for him, or calling him names, will get you labelled a racist and punished accordingly.

mvscal's going to be labelled a racist?

Well, that's just unfair.

[Tom In VA]

Your own link shows it to be a bipartisan effort, you disingenous little whiner.

Lighten up you geriatric burnout. Dodd was actually an apologist for the Patriot Act, so I wouldn't really find any "hypocrisy" in the fact he co-authored the bill. I didn't realize we had to be serious all the time in "The Spin Zone".

Since it wasn't that funny. I will try to explain it, to make it less funny. See, there is a hint at ... "If you don't vote for Obama, you must be racist" and mvscal and the "finger print thing .... "

Oh fuck it, notice I said "alleged". I don't even know if that blog is accurate.

[Tom In VA]

mvscal's going to be labelled a racist?

Well, that's just unfair.

It certainly is. I am NOT a racist. I'm a cultural bigot. I've been victimized by malicious lies. Surely there is somebody I can sue to collect damages for emotional distress.

Where's TVO when you really need him.

[Goober McTuber]

Your own link shows it to be a bipartisan effort, you disingenous little whiner.

Lighten up you geriatric burnout. Dodd was actually an apologist for the Patriot Act, so I wouldn't really find any "hypocrisy" in the fact he co-authored the bill. I didn't realize we had to be serious all the time in "The Spin Zone".

But you tried to point the finger at Democrats for this whole fingerprinting idea. Oh, but you were just making a "funny". Pathetic. I never suggested you were being hypocritical, just disingenuous. It was bipartisan. My guess would be that Dodd went along as co-author on the “manager’s amendment” to get Republican support on the housing bill. Just a hunch.

[Risa]

I am NOT a racist. I'm a cultural bigot.

What's the difference, when you break culture down by race instead of actual culture?

[Tom In VA]

I never suggested you were being hypocritical, just disingenuous.

Alright, alright, you caught me. I was being disingenuous there. I'm off to the "sin bin" for a double minor.

[BSmack]

mvscal's going to be labelled a racist?

Well, that's just unfair.

It certainly is. I am NOT a racist. I'm a cultural bigot. I've been victimized by malicious lies. Surely there is somebody I can sue to collect damages for emotional distress.

The problem is that you use racist language to express your cultural bigotry.

[Truman]

mvscal's going to be labelled a racist?

Well, that's just unfair.

It certainly is. I am NOT a racist. I'm a cultural bigot. I've been victimized by malicious lies. Surely there is somebody I can sue to collect damages for emotional distress.

The problem is that you use racist language to express your cultural bigotry.

Oh, I dunno, B: No different than you using the English language to express your intellectual dishonesty...

Pots 'n kettles, Komrade.

[OCmike]

I am NOT a racist. I'm a cultural bigot.

What's the difference, when you break culture down by race instead of actual culture?

Why break down the culture, when the problem isn't the culture itself, but those who participate in it, those who perpetuate it and those who started it in the first place?

I'll break it down for you in non-racial terms... People decry the violence in video games. So is the problem the fact that the violence exists in the games? Or is the problem that a company saw an opportunity to make money, hired a programmer who created the game, who marketed it to underage teens who have parents that don't supervise them properly? Can't have a culture without a whole lot of participation by a whole lot of people.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The problem is that you use racist language to express your cultural bigotry.

Oh, I dunno, B: No different than you using the English language to express your intellectual dishonesty...

Pots 'n kettles, Komrade.

That's a bit of a stretch just to crowbar in a tired retort.

Were you sitting on that for a couple of days? Couldn't wait to unload it?

[Truman]

The problem is that you use racist language to express your cultural bigotry.

Oh, I dunno, B: No different than you using the English language to express your intellectual dishonesty...

Pots 'n kettles, Komrade.

That's a bit of a stretch just to crowbar in a tired retort.

Were you sitting on that for a couple of days? Couldn't wait to unload it?

Pity that nettlesome Canadien citizenship thingie of yours precludes you from having a take that actually matters, Merd'e.

Get back to me when anything you think counts.

TIA

[Terry in Crapchester]

Good thing Reagan isn't running. Care to comment on the "racial undertones" of Obumble's association with Rev Wright and his ilk?

If the worst you can do to Obama is tie him into some shit from about three or four sermons given by his pastor over a 20-year period, you might as well start calling him President Obama right now.

I don't expect you to get it right now, but no n...igger with "God Damn America" hung around his neck is ever going win a national election.

Only problem for you is that Obama never said that.

[JayDuck]

He might as well have. Wright=Obama. There's no way around it. Obambi the Snapping Poodle spent 20 years immersed in that mind set. Don't tell me he doesn't agree with it 100%. It's not going to fly.

I don't know about that. There are people who've spent more than 20 years in a church that don't believe in God, let alone believe in everything else their pastor/minister/preacher/whatever believes in. And politicians are probably pretty high up on the list of people likely to do something like as go to church without believing in God.

For the most part, you have to be thought of to have some kind of "faith" to be elected to office in this country. And many people join churches just to be associated with a religion, or for community standing, or for networking/social reasons, not based out of any kind of real shared beliefs.

Most of this country wouldn't elect an atheist to any office, yet you can bet there's quite a few politicians that don't actually believe in God.

Obama's situation seems to be one in which he joined his particular church to help with his ambitions, not out of any spiritual concerns.

[Cuda]

He might as well have. Wright=Obama. There's no way around it. Obambi the Snapping Poodle spent 20 years immersed in that mind set. Don't tell me he doesn't agree with it 100%. It's not going to fly.

I don't know about that. There are people who've spent more than 20 years in a church that don't believe in God, let alone believe in everything else their pastor/minister/preacher/whatever believes in.

And just how many of them called their pastor their "spiritual mentor" and "close personal friend"- in writing?

[JayDuck]

Obama's situation seems to be one in which he joined his particular church to help with his ambitions, not out of any spiritual concerns.

That doesn't change the political dynamic. "God Damn America" might play well in the south side of Chicago, but it's a death sentence in a national election. Either way he's stuck with it. There is no way for him to credibly repudiate that rhetoric.

I'm not arguing that it isn't going to stick with him.

As I said, most of the country would never elect an atheist. And its going to stick to him, for all of those that feel that way.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I don't expect you to get it right now, but no n...igger with "God Damn America" hung around his neck is ever going win a national election.

Only problem for you is that Obama never said that.

He might as well have. Wright=Obama. There's no way around it. Obambi the Snapping Poodle spent 20 years immersed in that mind set. Don't tell me he doesn't agree with it 100%. It's not going to fly.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788&page=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon.

End of story, unless you've got proof to refute that. Even the most ardent believer is going to miss church a handful of times over a 20-year period. You get sick, your kids get sick, etc.

[War Wagon]

Any proof that he wasn't there?

Damnit, didn't you read the link? Hell, Terry even quoted it for all to see. Obama "told" the NY Times he wasn't there, so it must be so.

"End of story."

:roll:

[Cuda]

Any proof that he wasn't there? Any reason why anybody should believe a word he says?

Oh and if you are attempting to suggest that that was the only time Wright ever popped off with some type of "God Damn America" rant or another, you are a fucking fool.

mvs, Terry's a lawyer. By definition, that means he thinks everybody else is a fucking fool

The point is, Onignog not only doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, he doesn't even know what the fuck he's saying.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Any proof that he wasn't there?

Nice job shifting the goalposts there.

You're the one making the accusations. Ergo, burden of proof is on you.

Oh and if you are attempting to suggest that that was the only time Wright ever popped off with some type of "God Damn America" rant or another, you are a fucking fool.

So far, it's the only time you've proved Wright used that particular phrase. And the stuff you're getting all worked up about occurred over the course of about three or four sermons in a 20-year period. That is fact, much as you'd like to pretend otherwise.

Btw, using your "logic," one would have to conclude that McCain is an anti-Catholic bigot, given the comments Hagee made about the Catholic Church, and McCain's slowness in rejecting his endorsement (after having actually sought it out).

[Tom In VA]

Btw, using your "logic," one would have to conclude that McCain is an anti-Catholic bigot

Oh shit, now you've done it. mvscal is definitely voting for McCain now.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Btw, using your "logic," one would have to conclude that McCain is an anti-Catholic bigot

Oh shit, now you've done it. mvscal is definitely voting for McCain now.

But I'm pretty sure he was voting for McCain regardless of anything I said or didn't say.

[BSmack]

Btw, using your "logic," one would have to conclude that McCain is an anti-Catholic bigot, given the comments Hagee made about the Catholic Church, and McCain's slowness in rejecting his endorsement (after having actually sought it out).

Why would we have to conclude that? Has McCain ever even stepped foot in Hagee church let alone spent every Sunday for the last twenty years there?Has McCain claimed Hagee as a personal inspiration? Did Hagee perform McCain's marriage ceremony and baptize his children? Has McCain donated tens of thousands of dollars to Hagee's church?

No?

Go fuck yourself, tard.

Why do you spend so much energy defending someone you claim you will never cast a ballot for?

[BSmack]

Why are you wasting so much energy trying to change the subject? There are plenty of reason to attack McCain. Casual pandering to fundies isn't one of them.

You've yet to elaborate on any of those reasons to attack McCain. Oh sure, when pressed, you claim that you're voting "none of the above", but you've hardly made the crusade of bashing McCain that you have of Obama. I'd venture to say that for every 50 anti-Obama posts you make, you might have one anti-McCain post. It makes me wonder if you aren't still begging to find a reason to vote for McCain before this is all over.

[Tom In VA]

He probably will be. I think McClellan's book will help among other things. The strategy of "McCain = Four More Years of Bush" will work no matter how much McCain tries to distance himself.

[Goober McTuber]

You've yet to elaborate on any of those reasons to attack McCain.

A. Shameless open borders advocate

So your viewpoint on this particular subject has evolved a bit over the past 6 or 7 years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/581233/posts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Goober McTuber]

Freepers are Bible thumping, bootlicking douchebags. You are familiar with the concept of trolling, yes? It was a pretty nice piece of work even if I do say so myself. Plenty of meltage and multiple bannings as a result.

You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Travis McGee.