"Don't drill Democrat's

[War Wagon]

The "economical", shrewd, financially prudent American...

Folks are dumping their gas guzzling trucks and SUV's left and right.

Practically giving them away.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Getting their hands on a trillion dollars worth of oil does.

Oil is worth a trillion dollars when the market says it's worth a trillion dollars...


...not the government.

Bush isn't giving the oil companies a crack at a trillion dollars worth of oil. Bush is allowing the oil companies
the drilling rights to some moose-shit flecked tundra, where they can turn $140 a barrel oil into $90 a barrel oil
should they choose to ramp up production. HINT: they won't

My guess is, they'll sit on $140 oil as long as they can. When there are actual shortages, they can let some oil loose
in dribbles, but all the while maintaining >$140 a barrel in price.

Stop thinking like a child.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Folks are dumping their gas guzzling trucks and SUV's left and right.

Bullshit.

You folks will do anything to maintain your fuel dependence...


...even sacrifice your children in fake wars for it. Like a heroin addict needs a fix.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

A weekly report from MasterCard found U.S. gas consumption last week dropped 3.2 percent from the previous year. The credit card company’s SpendingPulse survey also showed gasoline demand is off 4.3 percent over the past four weeks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then why was Bush blowing the Saudi royal family last month, begging them to increase production?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...and on a lighter note...

The bus is full of seniors that have just shit their depends

Age smack
is not fresh
so
FUCK YOU!

Sincerely, you-know-who

[War Wagon]

Stop thinking like a child.

So says the clueless idiot who thinks evil Bush and the wicked oil companies control the price of a barrel of oil.

Edumacate yourself, fool.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Stop thinking like a child.

So says the clueless idiot who thinks evil Bush and the wicked oil companies control the price of a barrel of oil.

Edumacate yourself, fool.

Bush doesn't control jack-shit.

That's my whole point. Try and keep up.

[War Wagon]

Then why was Bush blowing the Saudi royal family last month, begging them to increase production?

Because the democrat controlled Congress won't allow us to?

Duh... kinda' the whole point of this thread, dontcha' think?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Democrats in Congress aren't allowing Bush to drill for oil, huh?

car battery + jumper cables + your head = good take

[War Wagon]

Bush isn't giving the oil companies a crack at a trillion dollars worth of oil. Bush is allowing the oil companies...

and then:

Bush doesn't control jack-shit. That's my whole point.

Ever tire of contradicting yourself?

You're spinning like a Palestinian top. Comrade B_ should be proud.

[Goober McTuber]

A weekly report from MasterCard found U.S. gas consumption last week dropped 3.2 percent from the previous year. The credit card company’s SpendingPulse survey also showed gasoline demand is off 4.3 percent over the past four weeks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then why was Bush blowing the Saudi royal family last month, begging them to increase production?

Are you talking about oil or semen? Stanley Q. Pickle wants to know.

[Mikey]

Then why was Bush blowing the Saudi royal family last month, begging them to increase production?

Because the democrat controlled Congress won't allow us to?

I don't think anybody in Congress gives a shit whether or not you blow the Saudi royal family.

If you can work it out, be my guest.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Then why was Bush blowing the Saudi royal family last month, begging them to increase production?

Because the democrat controlled Congress won't allow us to?

I don't think anybody in Congress gives a shit whether or not you blow the Saudi royal family.

If you can work it out, be my guest.

nice

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Democrats in Congress aren't allowing Bush to drill for oil, huh?

The U.S. Senate rejected a Republican energy plan that promised to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration, an option that was part of an overall package to increase domestic energy development.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/404995.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dumbfuck.

...the Senate voted 97-1...

The House of Representativespassed a similar proposal for curtailing strategic reserves with an equally veto-proof threshold: 385-25.

a referendum on drilling in ANWR. It failed 56-42, with six Republicans joining Democrats.

Go ahead and break those numbers down for me in terms of Democrat vs. Republican.
I'll wait.

From the 'comments section' it appears that Alaska's favourite pastime is eating paint chips.

[JayDuck]

Drilling for oil isn't going to help with our gas prices anytime soon. And it isn't going to change it ever, in any significant amount. Its a bullshit "solution" to make dumbshits think that the government is doing something for them. Since most people aren't going to look into things for themselves and don't have any kind of educational background to understand what's at play with our high oil prices and the time it will take for us to get any amount of oil out of the ground, some people think its an actual solution.

Its neither a short term bandaid, or a permanent fix for our gas problems. And it doesn't help with our energy problems going forward at all.

The bottom line is that, regardless of drilling or not, we HAVE TO switch to alternative energy sources as a technological species, or that way of life will perish. Whether its tommorow,50 years or 150 years, if we continue our use of oil it will be gone.

Drilling off American coasts and on American soil is nothing more than a gimmick, like the Gas Tax Holiday, and in reality it won't effect the price of gas, or help us move away from oil in the future.

[JayDuck]

Sorry, you dumb motherfucker, but your pie in the sky fantasy fuel isn't here now or in the foreseeable future.

Yep, as long as we spend our time concerned about oil, they will never be here.

You're a fucking moron. The price of crude dropped the splintered instant the Saudis announced they were increasing production a measley 200,000 bpd.

And the price of gas didn't. Its not a fucking supply issue.

[JayDuck]

What do you got, bitch? Anything? Just flapping your dicksuckers? You design an engine that can run on empty rhetoric or something?

Yeah, sure, it runs on your posts.

[JayDuck]

Its not a fucking supply issue.

Try again, dumbshit. You increase supply, price drops. Not occasionally, not sometimes, but every single motherfucking time. You would be better off arguing against the existence of gravity.

Yeah, Ok. Post back here a couple years from now when we have sub $4 gas,

[JayDuck]

Again, we are all breathless in anticipation of your practical solutions to the problem.

Any day you may present a serious alternative. We're all ears.

There is no "solution" to high gas prices. Its not a fucking equation.

The "solution" to high gas prices is to deal with it, quit buying it, or replace with with other energy sources.

But you're more than welcome to believe in your fairy tale of and endless source of easily, quickly producable oil all over the United States that will lead to lowering of our gas prices.

[Mikey]

We have the resources and the technology right here, right now to achieve energy independence.

link?

[JayDuck]

or replace with with other energy sources.

Such as?

Biofuels, Butanol, Solar, Helium 3/Boron Fusion...

There are tons of ideas out there and research in the works, that needs a lot more funding and resources put into it. The idea that we won't be capable of finding new sources is as fucking dumb as your fairly tail pot of oil at the end of the rainbow fantasy.

[JayDuck]

How the fuck do you plan on getting to work while all this Star Trek shit is getting figured out? You are so goddamn stupid it isn't even funny.

I will get to work paying my $4+ dollars a gallon of gas.

Just the absolutely same as if we start drilling for oil, dumbshit.

[JayDuck]

If nothing else there is over one trillion dollars buried in the ground in ANWR. What possible reason can there be to just leave it there?

Because we just don't need it right now. It just isn't going to help right now. If at some future date, the whole world is gripping for oil and we still haven't managed to find enough other viable alternative energy sources to end our dependence on oil, the fact that we've got a bunch of oil laying in ANWR would be a much more valuable resource for us at that time.

Its a fucking gimmick. Nothing more. People are pissed about high prices and they want the government to fix it for them. If they want to go after the speculators, or try to change the way the business is fucking run, that might actually have an impact on our prices, at the pump. Of course that's not going to happen though.

Gas prices are high. That's just the reality. The oil companies could still make ridiculously huge amounts of money if they lowered prices, but of course they won't and none of their shareholders want them too, either (which includes a ton of American 401Ks). We've made our own bed and now we have to lie in it. The government can't fix all your problems. We've now got Euro-prices for oil. We all knew it would happen eventually. Suck it up.

[Mikey]

We have the resources and the technology right here, right now to achieve energy independence.

link?

Coal gasification for power plants. Coal liquefaction for diesel. PBR nuclear plants.

None of those exist right here, right now.

[War Wagon]

And the price of gas didn't.

uh, yes it did.

At the pump, meanwhile, gas prices slipped 0.2 cent overnight to a national average of $4.073 a gallon, according to a survey of stations by AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Gas prices have followed oil futures higher this year.

In the future, try educating yourself before you drop in here spouting ignorant drivel. You obviously haven't a fucking clue of what you speak.

[Mikey]

None of those exist right here, right now.

All of those technologies exist right now, idiot.

Not in any commercial scale application, idiot.

[JayDuck]

At the pump, meanwhile, gas prices slipped 0.2 cent overnight to a national average of $4.073 a gallon, according to a survey of stations by AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Gas prices have followed oil futures higher this year.

In the future, try educating yourself before you drop in here spouting ignorant drivel. You obviously haven't a fucking clue of what you speak.

That's the fucking point, dipshit. The Saudi's upped production of oil by the amount we could get from ANWR in about 20 years and gas prices didn't dip any appreciable amount.

The idea that are gas prices are going to be reduced any time soon by authorizing drilling is a fucking fairy tale. The idea that our gas prices still won't be ridiculously high, and much more expensive than they are now, when we actually get the oil from ANWR is even more laughable.

Supply just increased by way more than we will be getting out of ANWR for decades

[Mikey]

Guess again, dumbshit.

Link, asshole?

I assume you can provide an example of a commercial (utility scale) application for each of those technologies...in the US.

I'll check back in oh, 10 or 20 years.

[Mikey]

Guess again, dumbshit.

Link, asshole?

I assume you can provide an example of a commercial (utility scale) appication for each of those technologies...in the US.

I'll check back in oh, 10 or 20 years.

Why, exactly, would it need to be in the US? Is that supposed to some kind of difference?

The Germans fought a fucking war with liquefied coal. The Great Plains Synfuels Plant now operated by the Dakota Gasification Company is a commerical scale plant that has been operational for decades now and the Germans have been operating PBR reactors since the 60s. The Chinese and the South Africans are also building commercial scale reactors.

The technology works and it exists right now not 20 years from now or never.

You said right here and right now , and you haven't provided any examples. Sorry, but I'm not dumb enough to take your word for it.

Real examples (i.e. links), please.

[War Wagon]

Supply just increased by way more than we will be getting out of ANWR for decades

You haven't one fact to back that up.

But even if that mindless bullshit were true, that still wouldn't be a legit reason for not taking advantage of every resource available.

[Mikey]

Thanks for playing.
You obviously have nothing here.


You did hear about the 700 million gigawatt solar collector being built on 3 acres in Otay Mesa, right?

Phony poser dumbfuck.

[poptart]

Still waiting on a logical argument for leaving a trillion dollars in the ground

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


Glad I could help.


yw

[Q, West Coast Style]

The Don't Drill Democrats will have a lot to answer for at the polls in November if the GOP keeps the focus on the extremism of the majority on this issue.

Thanks Rush. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hey Mike, why don't we just make you the official T1B Rush Limbaugh liason? Every day, you can just come in here and post a link to whatever that plump opiate-addict had to say that day? Cool?

[Q, West Coast Style]

Still waiting on a logical argument for leaving a trillion dollars in the ground

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


Glad I could help.


yw

So is religion.

[poptart]

I agree, Q.
'Religion' is a creation of man.


To be a liberal you've got to be one of the following:

- a child, or one who has never had to fend for himself (liberalism can sound reasonable to a child)
- on the government teet
- mentally challenged


Liberalism flies directly in the face of all that is known to be good, right and successful.

The liberal will invariably side with evil over good, wrong over right, and the behaviors that lead to failure over the behaviors that lead to success.


Mental.

[BSmack]

I see Korea is getting the Michael Wiener show. Way to parrot the talking points tart.

[Mikey]

Thanks for playing.
You obviously have nothing here.

Go fuck yourself, you cocksucking dickhead.

The 1970s energy crisis spawned a vision of greater U.S. energy independence. Abundant lignite resources underlying the North Dakota plains held promise as a vast synthetic fuel source. The Synfuels plant began operating in 1984 and today produces more than 54 billion standard cubic feet of natural gas annually. Coal consumption exceeds 6 million tons each year.

http://www.dakotagas.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Fischer-Tropsch process was developed by German researchers Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch in 1923 and used by Germany and Japan during World War II to produce alternative fuels and overcome their limited access to oil. Germany utilized the technology to produce 6.5 million tons, or 124,000 barrels a day.

South Africa has also been producing liquid coal for a number of years, developing the technology to tap its large coal reserves and seeking ways around apartheid sanctions. In fact, liquid coal meets 30 percent of the transportation fuel needs in South Africa.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/23025-s ... revolution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Germany was doing it in WWII?
Wow.
How much are they producing today?
Nothing in the US?
You still don't have shit.

The first pebble bed reactor power plant was built at the Nuclear Research Center of Jülich, close to Aachen, where Schulten subsequently became a director and a chaired professor at the Technical University of Aachen. With a thermal output of 40 MW to a steam Rankine cycle, the research reactor became fully operational in 1966, and ran successfully for 21 years (until it started venting radioactive steam into the atmosphere) , producing utility grid electrical power for 70 percent of its operating life.

http://www.memagazine.org/contents/curr ... bbles.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The German reactor was shut down in the 1980s because the "pebbles" started erupting and releasing releasing radioactivity into the air. That little incident cause the Germans to drop their program completely.

Nothing in the US?
Nothing anywhere else?
Nice try, you still don't have shit, poser.

You're done. Sit down and shut the fuck up, fool.

Next....

Mvscal's only current example of PBR...




:doh:

My bad. I guess there really is large scale PBR in the US.

[Cuda]

Once again, the tards bring up the "it won't be an immediate cure so we shouldn't do anything at all" argument.

By all means, stick with it; it highlights how fucking stupid you are

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

"Magical" coal?

Enjoy watching your landscapes melt like a Dali painting, morons.

[Cuda]

Enjoy watching your landscapes melt like a Dali painting.

Dali was a fucking genius, btw!