Good riddance to bad rubbish

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:51 pm

Anybody have Jesse Helms in the death pool?

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Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:59 pm

alert, alert.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:05 pm

I’m sorry, sirfuckafist, you did not find it newsworthy that this reactionary piece of shit is no longer with us?

General Peters · Post by **General Peters** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:42 pm

The Big Pickle wrote:Jesse Helms was a great American.

RIP JESSE! :(

Fukken YEP! He may not have gone about it the best way, but this man opposed certain things that 99% of you pussies are too cowardly to oppose. If you take the blinders off you would see that the man was a great American Patriot. Fitting that he passed away on July 4th.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:45 pm

Big fat fuck from North Carolina state,
he's a worthless piece of shit, he's a paragon of hate,
he's a redneck, fuck-face, brain-dead waste of space,
two-bit, two-timing, motherfucking pool of slime.
Against gay rights, and funding for the arts,
tried to cancel PBS and tear Big Bird apart.
cut AIDS funding, corporate welfare for the rich,
he's a shameless money grubber, he's a two dollar bitch.

Why won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and die?

Fundamentalist, fuckwad, dickless prick,
he's ugly as a morlock, dumb as a brick.
He's a sack of shit, hypocrite, single-minded, fat bigot,
punk bitch, ignorant, ass-munch sycophant.
Life long friend of the deadly cancer sticks,
thinks AIDS is the fault of the people it inflicts.
Racist fuck who supports segregation,
foe of the people friend of the corporation.

Why won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and die?

Uh.
Damn.
Get up, get up!

Why won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and die?

Yo Jesse, you dumb-ass, racist, cracker motherfucker!
Why the fuck won't you just hurry up and die?
And take that punk-bitch Strom Thurmond with you!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:45 pm

Helms had the courage to express and back his convictions, such as they were. For that, he has my respect.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:50 pm

He certainly didn’t approve of your black cock diet, Stanley Q. Pickle.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:53 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:...this reactionary...

How was he a "reactionary"?

Agree with his positions or not, he was always brutally honest and up front in defining those positions. He represented his constituency well, which is what he was elected to do.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:55 pm

Irony much, goober?

The way you nuzzle up to Obama's jizz-nozzle, you might want to avoid the subject of black cock

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:57 pm

Cuda wrote:Irony much, goober?

The way you nuzzle up to Obama's jizz-nozzle, you might want to avoid the subject of black cock

Please show me where I have nuzzled up to Obama. While I may see him as the lesser of two evils, I challenge you to provide a link where I have heartily endorsed him. Go ahead dumbfuck, link me up.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:01 pm

I'd consider it, goober, but I doubt you'd have the strength left to lift his balls out of your eyes so you could see your monitor.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:57 pm

Cuda wrote:I'd consider it, goober, but I doubt you'd have the strength left to lift his balls out of your eyes so you could see your monitor.

In other words, you’ve got nothing. As usual.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:59 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Why won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and die?

Rack the MC Hawking blast.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:26 pm

One mention of Obama's jizz-nozzle and look who shows up: B-Monica

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:59 pm

General Pickle wrote:If you take the blinders off you would see that the man was a great American Patriot. Fitting that he passed away on July 4th.

I'll take Adams and Jefferson (both or either) over Helms any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:47 pm

I'll take Adams, jefferson, washington or just about any founding father over the losers we have in today's politics.

As for Jesse, I'll second PSU. Love him or hate him, he didn't talk out of both sides of his mouth unlike the vast majority of the whores in DC today.

velocet · Post by **velocet** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:25 am

War Wagon wrote:How was he a "reactionary"?

His views were not in line with what the "diversity" crowd decrees as politically correct.

"Reactionary" = "Racist"

Where ideas are concerned, diversity is severely limited according to the anti-Helms crowd. A difference of opinion that is acceptable to them would run like:

Lefty1: Blame amerikkka FIRST, then HATE amerikkka!

Lefty2: No no no! We must HATE amerikkka BEFORE we can plausibly BLAME amerikkka!

And so on.

velocet

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:47 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote: I'll take Adams and Jefferson (both or either) over Helms any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

In saying that, you are aware that Jefferson ardently believed that all negroes should be shipped back to Africa because they could never live side by side peacefully with whites?

Of course you were.

Jerkovich · Post by **Jerkovich** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:08 am

If Gubbing Tube didn't like him, the he had to be alright.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:34 am

The Big Pickle wrote: And he was right, but of course you know that.

Nope.

It may have taken 200 years, but in the end, he wasn't right.

I only mentioned Jefferson's beliefs as a way to shake-up Terry's pre-conceived notions about former Senator Helms, and to help him put them in the context of the times.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:05 pm

As a society, we need to advance beyond the childish state of denial we're in and simply accept the fact that there are differences among the races beyond the physical. The moment any serious scientist, sociologist, or anyone else ('sup Reggie White?) opens their pieholes and states the obvious, such as blacks in general being more athletically gifted, or Asians in general being technologically gifted, they are labeled as racists. Well no shit! To one degree or another, we are all racists. The goal should not be to eradicate racism (which will never happen), but to treat it in much the same way at the individual and societal levels as incurable but non-fatal diseases are treated: manage it and minimize its negative symptoms. The way to start doing that is to allow open and civilized discussion, and promote research into what the differences beyond the outward ones are.

Africa and Europe are not that far apart geographically, but the chasm between them sociologically and technologically is enormous. Europe a thousand years ago was more advanced than Africa is today, and Africans don't seem to be in a hurry to catch up anytime soon. Rather than take the raw materials available on the continent and refine them into materials that could transform it into modern-day civilization like the rest of world has been doing for centuries, Africans are still essentially leading tribal existences dependent on bird seed for sustenance. Most, if not all, technological and agricultural advances have been introduced from the outside rather than initiated internally. While the rest of the world at least has the option of 5-star restaurants, Africans are dependent on Plumpy'nut to keep their kids from starving. The Dutch colonization of South Africa proved that the continent can sustain civilization given enough intellectual firepower.

None of this should be construed as rationale for denying minorities in this country any of the rights afforded to the majority. Certainly, there are many blacks in this country who are brilliant and far more more intellectual than many whites and Asians, just as there are whites and Asians who are better athletes than many blacks. But just as certainly, there are genetic differences among the races that lead to the obvious differences beyond skin color and eye shape, and to deny this is myopic and foolhardy. The negative impacts of racism will never abate as long as we continue to believe (or wish) that the differences among the races are only skin deep.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:24 pm

velocet wrote:
War Wagon wrote:How was he a "reactionary"?

His views were not in line with what the "diversity" crowd decrees as politically correct.

"Reactionary" = "Racist"

Among other things, Helms was an avowed believer in black intellectual inferiority, an hysterical opponent of interracial marriage, called the 1964 Civil Rights Act "the single most dangerous piece of legislation ever introduced in the Congress," and said of civil rights demonstrators, "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights." Helms' "vision" of civil rights for African-Americans was that there should be none.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:27 pm

Yeah - fine posts in this thread, but it doesn't take much digging in the case of Helms before you are knee-deep in reactionary bullshit - and trenchantly ignorant stances.

MadRussian · Post by **MadRussian** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:34 pm

Cuda wrote:I'd consider it, goober, but I doubt you'd have the strength left to lift his balls out of your eyes so you could see your monitor.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:04 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:Asians in general being technologically gifted

Hmmm... just off the top of my head, here's a list of major, major technological breakthroughs that were brought to us by Asians...

Uhm...

Uhm...

Little help here?

Just off the top of my head, there isn't enough disk space on this server to just list the major technological breakthroughs brought to the world by men of northern Euro descent.

And I could shoot your "blacks being more athletic in general take down, as well -- depends what kind of athletic activities you're talking -- in things that favor lower body strength and disproportionate distribution of weight below the hips, people of Western African descent usually enjoy a physical advantage. In things that require freakish stamina, people of Eastern African descent generally dominate. In things that favor upper body strength and more weight distributed above the hips, such as wrestling/powerlifting/whatnot, it's all about the Nothern Euros/Scandanavians.

Geez, crack a book sometime.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:24 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Hmmm... just off the top of my head, here's a list of major, major technological breakthroughs that were brought to us by Asians...

Seems to me one of those athletically deficient Negroes said they could turn a TV into a watch. Or a building into a robot. Or something like that. And wtf, I'll believe anything, so I just assumed it was true. Breakthrough? Prolly not, but those li'l slopes can take others' breakthroughs and make 'em...smaller. The Walkman was a breakthrough of sorts, though I wouldn't classify it as "major."

Just off the top of my head, there isn't enough disk space on this server to just list the major technological breakthroughs brought to the world by men of northern Euro descent.

That's why I didn't go there. Not enough disk space.

And I could shoot your "blacks being more athletic in general take down, as well -- depends what kind of athletic activities you're talking -- in things that favor lower body strength and disproportionate distribution of weight below the hips, people of Western African descent usually enjoy a physical advantage. In things that require freakish stamina, people of Eastern African descent generally dominate. In things that favor upper body strength and more weight distributed above the hips, such as wrestling/powerlifting/whatnot, it's all about the Nothern Euros/Scandanavians.

Point taken. Mexicans are good walkers, Asians are good gymnasts, yadda x 3. I'll just go ahead and default to the fact that the kinds of athletic activities to which I was referring were those you cited in which blacks (making no distinction between eastern and western) dominate.

Geez, crack a book sometime.

What is this book of which you speak? Never heard of such a thing. Sounds like it could be fun, though.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:32 pm

When my wife taught elementary school in North Long Beach, she observed that the Cambodian/Laotian/Vietnamese kids generally did exceptionally well, better than almost all of the other kids, regardless of their ethnic heritage. Those kids usually had intact family structures, often with grandparents and other elderly relatives in the home as well. Not only did they show a willingness to learn, but they had tremendous aptitude for every subject as well.

Usually the adults in those families had visible scars, missing digits or limbs, or something of the sort - ample visual evidence of a horrific state of affairs in "the homeland"...and thus, ample motivation for making every use of the abundant tools one is offered here in America to better oneself. If the visual evidence didn't serve, I suspect the elders had a lot of verbal and anecdotal prompting to employ as motivation.

Perhaps a case can be made for ethnicity determining academic suitability...but I lean towards more palpable, cultural indicators.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:33 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Smackie Chan wrote:Asians in general being technologically gifted

Hmmm... just off the top of my head, here's a list of major, major technological breakthroughs that were brought to us by Asians...

Uhm...

Uhm...

Little help here?

It's not like they didn't contribute:

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:41 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:
Geez, crack a book sometime.
What is this book of which you speak? Never heard of such a thing. Sounds like it could be fun, though.

How to Wiki for Dummies

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:53 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Perhaps a case can be made for ethnicity determining academic suitability...but I lean towards more palpable, cultural indicators.

But that begs the question of what determines and sets the course for culture. Geography? Genetics? A combination of factors?

I won't argue against the assertion that children of Asian immigrants are motivated by their parents and extended families to succeed. But the basic lesson from one generation to the next boils down to, "Our lives sucked, but yours can be better if you apply yourselves and make the most of the substantial opportunities (including education) presented to you." This is not exclusive to immigrants, though. One would think that the same lessons should have been passed down by former slaves, followed by their children who endured racial discrimination, up to the present day. Can the disparity between the success of Asians in America and that of blacks be solely attributed to cultural differences? I suppose it's possible, but I highly doubt it. I'm convinced that genetics play a role, but it's taboo to express this in polite company. Which is what makes this place so great, since politeness is routinely checked at the door.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:08 pm

PSUFAN wrote:When my wife taught elementary school in North Long Beach, she observed that the Cambodian/Laotian/Vietnamese kids generally did exceptionally well, better than almost all of the other kids, regardless of their ethnic heritage.

Usually the adults in those families had visible scars, missing digits or limbs, or something of the sort - ample visual evidence of a horrific state of affairs in "the homeland."

Things must be radically different in Long Beach from where I live. And "where I live" was the recipient of a good chunk of the "boat people" fleeing Indochina in the late 70's/early 80's.

So, unless your wife is 60 years old, we have some context issues here.

Any children of an age where your wife would have been teaching them (assuming your wife is near your age) wouldn't have "fresh off the boat" parents. While your story sounds pretty good, the flagrant anachronism casts some doubt on a depiction that's in stark contrast to what I observed in Jr High/High School, with literally hundreds of Vietnamese/Cambodian/Laotian classmates.

When I graduated, it was amazing how long it took them to read off all of the Chin Nguyens from the roll.

But what I saw of the "boaters" (derogatory, seldom used anymore), very few if any of them actually spoke any English. Most picked it up with reasonable success, but the ESL kids (used to be SE Asians, not South Canadians) had different graduation requirements... because they didn't speak English and didn't do well otherwise.

There were, of course, like you mentioned some seriously gifted overachievers, who were right up there academically.

But since the Boaters had long since dried up and actually started moving back to Indochina by the time your wife would have been of age to teach elementary school, and since Boaters in their 50's, scarred or otherwise weren't cranking out offspring to populate the West with elementary-aged kids...

Well, it was a nice story, anyhow.

Try telling it to someone who isn't familiar with the timelines, dynamics, and mechanics of the Boaters.

I'll tell my buddies Chin you said "hi," though. They're all 40-ish.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:16 pm

the basic lesson from one generation to the next boils down to, "Our lives sucked, but yours can be better if you apply yourselves and make the most of the substantial opportunities (including education) presented to you." This is not exclusive to immigrants, though.

No, it is not exclusive to immigrants. To continue with the above example, the best student she had was a white kid who had some sort of ADHD or borderline autism. His parents were extremely active in his development, hoping to do whatever they could at every stage. They drove my wife nuts, but they were excellent parents, because they were highly motivated to be involved. At that stage of his life, 4th grade, their approach was very effective.

One would think that the same lessons should have been passed down by former slaves, followed by their children who endured racial discrimination, up to the present day. Can the disparity between the success of Asians in America and that of blacks be solely attributed to cultural differences? I suppose it's possible, but I highly doubt it.

If you examine the black students she had and their families, the overwhelming theme is that they basically didn't have parents, in most cases. A few of the lucky ones had grandparents or other elder relatives acting as parents as much as they were able. A few had no families of any sort.

The path you're illustrating - slavery to racial discrimination - simply isn't incomplete. You're missing the stage where everything fell apart - where the black family structure gave up the ghost. It is interesting to note, that process seems to have quickened after the major "gains" of the civil rights era had been realized.

I dismiss the notion that genetics can preclude a hazily-defined ethnic group from academic excellence. There are probably some cases where that is the case, but overwhelmingly, this is a cultural issue.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:20 pm

Dins, I wouldn't know how things were in the U&L. However, in south central LA, immigration from Indochina has continued. I don't honestly know when these families came over, but she definitely had a lot of kids whose parents were fresh off the boat. This was 1997-1998.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:38 pm

Who would you rather have as a neighbor? A n...igger or a slope?

Depends. If I own any cats or dogs, I'll take the nig. If I have any fat booty daughters, I'll stick with the ricer.

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:39 pm

HELMS: "OK Bono, if you win the arm wrestling match, the poor African negro kid gets aid, but if I win, he works for me!"

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:41 pm

There's an area in Long Beach called "Cambodia Town". It is the largest population of Cambodians living anywhere outside of southeast Asia...and that ain't no "what? Ain't no cauliflower here" bullshit ala SFAF.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:43 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:Can the disparity between the success of Asians in America and that of blacks be solely attributed to cultural differences?

[softball] It becuz da' man be keepin' brutha's down.[/softball]

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:03 pm

mvscal wrote:
Smackie Chan wrote: Can the disparity between the success of Asians in America and that of blacks be solely attributed to cultural differences?
Yes.

OK, but what role, if any, do you believe genetics has with this vague term we call culture? How would you define culture as it's being used in the context of this discussion? Is there such thing as modern American culture, or is the country in which we live an amalgamation of several different ones? Even among whites, there certainly seems to be cultural differences between New England socialites and Appalachian hillbillies. There are cultural differences among races, economic classes, intellectual groups, geographic locations, and generations. Is a 16-year-old black crackhead in Compton part of the youth culture, the drug culture, the hip-hop culture, or the SoCal culture? The term is so nebulous that it's practically useless as a means of ascribing differences between groups.

PSUFAN wrote:The path you're illustrating - slavery to racial discrimination - simply isn't incomplete. You're missing the stage where everything fell apart - where the black family structure gave up the ghost. It is interesting to note, that process seems to have quickened after the major "gains" of the civil rights era had been realized.

What made everything fall apart? Are you saying the gains of the civil rights era are at least partly to blame? If so, it sounds like you're saying blacks would be better off if we still lived under Jim Crow laws. What led to the irresponsibility of black men to take care of their children? The Civil Rights Acts? Or the dreaded "black culture"?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
Smackie Chan wrote:Asians in general being technologically gifted

Hmmm... just off the top of my head, here's a list of major, major technological breakthroughs that were brought to us by Asians...

Uhm...

Uhm...

Little help here?

Sure. You can start with paper, moveable type printing press, magnetic compass, seismograph, gunpowder, flamethrowers and the repeating crossbow not to mention them being highly skilled civil engineers, artists and philosophers.

Oh Bullshit! Don't tell me babs the Rove monkey is beating me to the punch.

Dins, besides the various inventions described, consider that in about 1400 China had a navy that would have dwarfed anything the West had built until the modern aircraft carrier. Seriously, some of these crafts were nearly one thousand feet long. The amazing armada sailed on a mission of peace, showering the new lands they visited not with assault but with dazzling gifts. 300 or so ships with a total crew of about 25,000. All the way down the coast of Africa, until a sudden change of dynasty back at court called the whole thing off (much like the Khan's horde suddenly being recalled on the brink of sacking Moscow).

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:36 pm

What made everything fall apart? Are you saying the gains of the civil rights era are at least partly to blame?

Not at all, I'm merely noting that the decline of the African American family structure at least partially coincided with the advent of civil rights...that's quite ironic, at the very least. It's a shame that so many programs meant to rectify things seemed to help stratify them, actually...and now we are in the process of redefining those programs.