Rack Newt.

[Cuda]

Oil is never coming down. It'll take 10-20 years before we see any benefit from new drilling. We can't drill our way out of this

-sin

B-Monica
Terry in Crapchester
Pedo in Seattle

[Wolfman]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!
And wouldn't it be horrible if a state executed someone who loves raping little girls; but it is OK to kill little innocent babies because a woman feels it is her "choice" ??
I'm living in an insane asylum !

[.m2]

I'm living in an insane asylum !

That's been quite apparent to everyone for a long time.

Do you want out ?

[Goober McTuber]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!

Judging by your level of agitation, those must be the new Barack Obama light bulbs.

[Dinsdale]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!
And wouldn't it be horrible if a state executed someone who loves raping little girls; but it is OK to kill little innocent babies because a woman feels it is her "choice" ??

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

[PSUFAN]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!

This is a head-scratcher. What the fuck do you care? Those bulbs use less energy, and burn out less frequently. Disposing of them is a bit of a problem, but shit - this is AMERICA! We'll figure it out, right?

[Felix]

but shit - this is AMERICA! We'll let the next guy/generation figure it out, right?

ftfy

[Cuda]

Those bulbs use less energy, and burn out less frequently. Disposing of them is a bit of a problem, but shit - this is AMERICA! We'll figure it out, right?

I use them in any non-dimmable lamp I have. Mofos have endurance like Guy_Fawkes at a highway rest stop at rush hour.

Disposing of them is no fucking problem at all- just toss them in the fucking trash with everything else.

[Bizzarofelice]

It'll take 10-20 years before we see any benefit from new drilling.

how long until we see the benefits of new drilling? August? you tell me.

[smackaholic]

Mofos have endurance like Guy_Fawkes at a highway rest stop at rush hour.

not even sure what that means, but, it gets a rack anyhoo.

[Cuda]

It'll take 10-20 years before we see any benefit from new drilling.

how long until we see the benefits of new drilling? August? you tell me.

Whenever it is, it will be sooner than the fantasies known collectively as "alternative energy". Electric cars? Wind Power? I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

[smackaholic]

Actually, we should have electric cars now, but, dick cheney is sitting on the plans (in his secret hideout cave0 to a practical battery. Hopefully he'll sell it to the highest bidder after he leaves office.

[KC Scott]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!

This is a head-scratcher. What the fuck do you care? Those bulbs use less energy, and burn out less frequently. Disposing of them is a bit of a problem, but shit - this is AMERICA! We'll figure it out, right?

They suck.

I've shelled out for them in all the lamps and all the canned ceiling lights and besides putting off far less light there's the 'flicker" factor and it also seems at least one bad one in every third multi-pack I've bought.

At an average of $3.50 per bulb - and no noticeable difference in my electic bill, I'm starting to think I've fallen for a GE marketing ploy

[smackaholic]

but these FUCKING light bulbs are going to save the planet !!

This is a head-scratcher. What the fuck do you care? Those bulbs use less energy, and burn out less frequently. Disposing of them is a bit of a problem, but shit - this is AMERICA! We'll figure it out, right?

They suck.

I've shelled out for them in all the lamps and all the canned ceiling lights and besides putting off far less light there's the 'flicker" factor and it also seems at least one bad one in every third multi-pack I've bought.

At an average of $3.50 per bulb - and no noticeable difference in my electic bill, I'm starting to think I've fallen for a GE marketing ploy

I have two. One on the deck and one in the downstairs hall. Unless they come up with one that doesn't take 5 minutes to reach an acceptable light output, I will not buy another.

Regular old fashioned fluorescent tubes on the other hand are I have they exclusively in the basement. I can live with the 3 seconds they take to come on line.

[Bizzarofelice]

It'll take 10-20 years before we see any benefit from new drilling.

how long until we see the benefits of new drilling? August? you tell me.

Whenever it is, it will be sooner than the fantasies known collectively as "alternative energy". Electric cars? Wind Power? I'll have some of whatever it is you're smoking.

That isn't a direct answer. That's avoidance. You were making fun of people who thought drilling wouldn't dent the price of oil for more than ten to twenty years, yet you offered no timetable to say something to the contrary.

[PSUFAN]

I've got one, and it has lasted MUCH longer than a typical light bulb. It's a little strange getting used to the light it produces, but it's fine after you get used to it. I wouldn't want it in every room of the house, though....

Yep. I have a few in spots that I used to frequently replace bulbs, and they have lasted for a long time.

[Mister Bushice]

Regular old fashioned fluorescent tubes on the other hand are I have they exclusively in the basement. I can live with the 3 seconds they take to come on line.

You live in the basement? Do they let you out to run around at all?

free smackaholic.

[Goober McTuber]

free smackaholic.

You get what you pay for.

[Cuda]

That isn't a direct answer. That's avoidance. You were making fun of people who thought drilling wouldn't dent the price of oil for more than ten to twenty years, yet you offered no timetable to say something to the contrary.

I thought you were bright enough to detect sarcasm, jigabooloverfelice.

Depending on the source, new, aggressive resource exploitation can bring oil on the market anywhere from immediately (oil shale) to a year (increased land-drilling) to 2-3 years (offshore & ANWR). The immdeiate market æffect, however, will be that the price will start to steadily drop.

[Felix]

Where the fuck do you get this idea that its our responsibility to solve the problems of future generations? Are they crippled or something?

so what you're saying here is that your down with running up huge debts and forcing your kids to pay them?

Somehow I don't think they'd be all that enamored with the idea

[RevLimiter]

That whole debt thing is a bunch of bullshit. You fucking tards said the same shit after Reagan's administration and that debt was wiped out in less than ten years.

No sale.

[Goober McTuber]

That whole debt thing is a bunch of bullshit. You fucking tards said the same shit after Reagan's administration and that debt was wiped out in less than ten years.

No sale.

Just a clarification. The budget deficit was eliminated, but the debt was not wiped out. Correct?

[smackaholic]

I have one little problem with that, mv.

WWII was a huge undertaking. It wasn't part of the economy.It WAS the economy. but, it had to be done and we knew that afterwards, it would be paid for.

What we have today is different. It is ongoing bidness as usual with no end in site. If we keep on this way, there will be hell to pay.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Oil is never coming down. It'll take 10-20 years before we see any benefit from new drilling. We can't drill our way out of this

-sin

B-Monica
Terry in Crapchester
Pedo in Seattle

Since you asked (sort of) . . .

I never said I was opposed to drilling, but I don't see any possible short-term benefits from it.

The factors governing the increase in the price of oil are too complicated for the overwhelming majority of this board, especially you, to comprehend. Suffice it to say for now that there are a number of factors at work, including a declining U.S. dollar and, dare I say it, some gaming of the market by speculators.

But by all means, continue being a good little dittosheep and believing that the high price of gas is solely the fault of those bad, nasty liberals. After all, that soundbite mentality you espouse has worked out so well for this country over the past 30 years . . . or not.

[Cuda]

Ohhh, I see: because a smart lawyer like you can't understand something, nobody could understand it, right?

Because as everybody knows, lawyers know everything, right?

Go fuck yourself, you cock-sniffing douche.

A declining dollar is a result of high oil prices, you fucking ignoramus, not "a factor" in the increase. Speculators only reflect supply and demand. Let's say the speculators bid up the price to a million fucking dollars a barrel , and if that's too high for the demand, you know what happens? The fucking speculators LOSE THEIR ASSES, that's what happens. Speculators don't drive prices- demand drives prices.

The biggest single factor in the price of oil that we can æffect- long or short term- is supply and the ONLY way to do that is to increase production. What kind of cum-drunk fantasy do you have as an alternative? Bio-fuels are a fucking pipe dream and a scam at best. Same for solar & wind power and electric fucking cars and all the rest of that happy horseshit.

Oh, I know... Barry O'nogga will just point his finger and lightening bolts will shoot out and magically power-up the electrical grid for a month or so, right?

[smackaholic]

Plenty of blame to go around.

There are the evil chinks and injuns deciding that they don't wanna ride bikes and oxcarts everywhere anymore.

There's the fact that the oil cherrypicking is pretty much over. Can't get that shit to jump out of the ground with a shotgun blast like jed clampett did.

There is everyone and their brother driving around in a tahoe for the last 10-15 years. ANd why aren't they driving normal station wagons like their parents? Because "trucks" don't count towards CAFE standards. So, the automakers made sure that they could make plenty of "trucks". Score this one for the evil lib corner.

Euros are driving around in 50-70 mpg turbo diesel jettas and lupos (miniature jetta). But ya can't buy one here cause diesel is bad for our air and them little euro cars ain't safe enough. 2 points for the libs.

The frogs make 80% of their electricity from nukes. We fukking invented nuke power but have largely abandoned it due to hippy faggit arseholes sueing it into near extinction. Yet another round in the lib corner.

Even if it did take 10+ years to see an effect from ANWR/atlantic shelf oil, we would have been more than 10 years in if we hadn't been blocked by the caribou lobby. That's four.

We haven't made enough windmills/PV cells. I'll give this one a half point for the greedy earth hating neocons.

[Cuda]

you're a goddam moron too.

[Felix]

A declining dollar is a result of high oil prices, you fucking ignoramus

thanks for the sig tard

[Dinsdale]

The frogs make 80% of their electricity from nukes. We fukking invented nuke power but have largely abandoned it due to hippy faggit arseholes sueing it into near extinction.

The next time someone spouting this can correctly answer the question "Where does enriched uranium come from?" will be the first.


I'll help you out with the first part of your answer, then maybe you can figure out the rest...


"First, you take millions and millions of barrels of petroleum..."


Nukes are a great technology... if you're a major shareholder in Exxon.


Putting any more resources into any sort of fission reactors would be a heinous crime against America. Get back to me when they get some fusion online.


My opposition has nothing to do with the standard hippy anti-nuke arguments, although they also can factor in. My opposition is strictly for financial and sustainability reasons... reasons which make nuke power at present a fucking joke.

[smackaholic]

dins,

yes, it does take considerable resources to produce enriched uranium, but, I believe that the return on investment is worth it.

Do you have any figures on how many barrels worth of energy you get from a given amount or uranium. I don't, but, I suspect it produces alot more than it consumes. Otherwise the damn frogs would just burn oil.

[Dinsdale]

Do you have any figures on how many barrels worth of energy you get from a given amount or uranium.

At present...

no.


I saw a big dealio on uranium enrichment, which solidified what I'd already heard -- the day of less-than 2-for1 on petroleum to uranium is quickly passing us by, and the ratio is getting smaller as the ultra-pure uranium is pretty much gone...

Unless you want to cut a deal with Iran, of course.

I don't, but, I suspect it produces alot more than it consumes. Otherwise the damn frogs would just burn oil.

If the infrastructure is already in place, it's still pretty money. Factor in the energy/resources you use actually building a plant and associated infrastructure, and it's a losing proposition.


Unless technology figures out a new trick with fission, it's an outdated technology that sounds really good... on paper. Plus, it ads that huge security element, making regional independence impossible.

[Cuda]

A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE



TIME MAGAZINE, 2001

In May, convinced the nation was terrified of going California and hungering for a steak-and-eggs energy plan, Bush sold his plan as an aggressive drill-and-dig, anti-regulatory prescription to shoo away the tree-huggers and get the nation — and the economy — humming again.

Two months later, a New York Times/CBS poll released last week found that not only do two-thirds of the nation think Bush and Cheney are too beholden to oil companies, 60 percent think the pair made the whole energy crisis up.

And why not? Energy prices are falling, both in the market and at the pump, and Alan Greenspan, in a post-rate-cut speech Thursday in Chicago, said energy-price inflation was the furthest thing from his mind.

…I’ll remind people it took us a while to get into the energy situation we’re in and it’s going to take us a while to get out of it. But one thing is for certain here in the United States, that we can help alleviate shortages by drilling for oil and gas in our own country — something I’ve been advocating ever since I’ve been the President. I’ve been reminding our people that we can do so in environmentally friendly ways. And yet, the Congress, the Democratically controlled Congress now has refused to budge. It makes no sense for — to watch these gasoline prices rise when we know we can help affect the supply of crude oil, which should affect the supply of gasoline prices.

[PSUFAN]

Looks like Cuda is back to sucking with other peoples' content again, probably a wise choice...

[Cuda]

what were you yammering about again, PUS?

[Mikey]

yammer

Does he still play for the Penguins?