Opinions on Palin?

[Felix]

I pray your right I pray I'm wrong.

I'm sure god is either with you or against you on this one

Strange fucking days.

no shit bro

[rozy]

McCain gets a minimum 10 % buffer on the Bradley and experience effects. Relax, that'll be well nigh impossible for The One to overcome now.

Barry is useless without a prompter. He will get wiped out in the debates. uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

Saddleback

[rozy]

I pray your right I pray I'm wrong.

I'm sure god is either with you or against you on this one

Why am I laughing at that one?

[rozy]

Rozy, I pray your right and that McCain will win, but I really think that Obama's going to win this election. Don't get me wrong, he SHOULDN'T, but I think he will. That's perhaps the most disgusting thing about this situation. That's what scares me the most. Again, I pray I'm wrong. I fear that I'm not.

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

Zogby polls

McCain leads in Pennsylvania…….... 49.1% - 44.3%
McCain leads in Florida……….......... 52.1% - 41.8%
McCain leads in Virginia………......... 50.3% - 43.8%
McCain leads in New Hampshire…... 49.1% - 42.8%
McCain leads in Ohio………….......... 49.8% - 43.9%
McCain leads in Colorado………....... 47.5% - 45.5%


Up to the moment. Certainly nothing more than just another poll, but interesting nonetheless.

[battery chucka' one]

Those polls with Zogby have more distance between McCain and Obama than the ones I've been seeing (pollster [which is a combination of several] and yahoo). Perhaps those numbers might stand. I most look at the numbers in Florida. You have double digits in favor of McCain. Pollster has him leading by 3.4 points. Zogby's a stud poll. I'll accept those numbers. Still think that Obama will win, but then, who knows? Crazy is crazy and this election qualifies.

[BSmack]

Rozy, I pray your right and that McCain will win, but I really think that Obama's going to win this election. Don't get me wrong, he SHOULDN'T, but I think he will. That's perhaps the most disgusting thing about this situation. That's what scares me the most. Again, I pray I'm wrong. I fear that I'm not.

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

Zogby polls

McCain leads in Pennsylvania…….... 49.1% - 44.3%
McCain leads in Florida……….......... 52.1% - 41.8%
McCain leads in Virginia………......... 50.3% - 43.8%
McCain leads in New Hampshire…... 49.1% - 42.8%
McCain leads in Ohio………….......... 49.8% - 43.9%
McCain leads in Colorado………....... 47.5% - 45.5%


Up to the moment. Certainly nothing more than just another poll, but interesting nonetheless.

Up to the moment? You mean like the Zogby poll that was taken from August 15-19? Or the one taken Sept. 9-12?

If this stuff were any more out of date the Chinese would be selling it as dog food to us.

[rozy]

The Zogby Electoral College Map
Updated 9/25/2008

Clicking a link trumps pulling dates out of your ass every time.

[BSmack]

The Zogby Electoral College Map
Updated 9/25/2008

Clicking a link trumps pulling dates out of your ass every time.

Read the individual polling data for the sates you're referencing you fucking imbecile. It's ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED. That's where I got those dates YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

For example, click on New Hampshire. Here's what you see in the column on the side. I made the important part really big so even your stupid ass wouldn't miss it.

State: New Hampshire

Updated: 9/25/2008

Summary:
McCain - 49.1%
Obama - 42.8%
Not Sure/Other - 8.1%

Still leans to McCain, but debates and Wall Street mess put New Hampshire very much up for grabs.

Electoral Votes: 4, Too close to call

Full crosstab data from New Hampshire is available to subscribers to the 2008 Presidential polling package.

Methodology: Zogby International conducted an online survey of 433 likely voters. The poll ran from Sept. 9-12. It carries a margin of error of +/- 4.8 percentage points.

Now STFU.

[rozy]

Semantical misdirections. So freaking predictable...

Now to decide if I wish to teach multiple English lessons on this useless tangent..

Your eternal defensive posture is duly noted.

You could have just said, "John is right"

[BSmack]

Semantical misdirections. So freaking predictable...

Now to decide if I wish to teach multiple English lessons on this useless tangent..

Your eternal defensive posture is duly noted.

You could have just said, "John is right"

Semantical misdirections???

The poll was conducted 13-17 days before you said it was. And that's just for New Hampshire. For example, the PA polling data was done BEFORE THE CONVENTIONS.

Yep, real up to date stuff you're linking us to.

[Cuda]

The Couric interview was a disaster. .

pffft. NO body watches that cunt anyway.

[BSmack]

The Couric interview was a disaster. .

pffft. NO body watches that cunt anyway.

So what? Excerpts of that interview have aired on every network hundreds, if not thousands of times.

[Cuda]

thousands? really?

[BSmack]

thousands? really?

Millions if you count You Tube.

[Mississippi Neck]

I think the comments about being next to Russia gives credence to her being qualified in foreign affairs would be laughable if it wasnt so serious. So since Obama went to Germany and gave a speech can he be named Chancellor? If McCain wins and has a stroke we get Palin, and if Obama wins we get him straight up. I dont like the choices.

[Cuda]

If McCain wins and has a stroke we get Palin,

You make it sound so very tempting.

[Mikey]

This about says it...

Palin Is Ready? Please.
McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, that is simply not true.

Fareed Zakaria
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Oct 6, 2008
Will someone please put Sarah Palin out of her agony? Is it too much to ask that she come to realize that she wants, in that wonderful phrase in American politics, "to spend more time with her family"? Having stayed in purdah for weeks, she finally agreed to a third interview. CBS's Katie Couric questioned her in her trademark sympathetic style. It didn't help. When asked how living in the state closest to Russia gave her foreign-policy experience, Palin responded thus:

"It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where—where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to—to our state."

There is, of course, the sheer absurdity of the premise. Two weeks ago I flew to Tokyo, crossing over the North Pole. Does that make me an expert on Santa Claus? (Thanks, Jon Stewart.) But even beyond that, read the rest of her response. "It is from Alaska that we send out those …" What does this mean? This is not an isolated example. Palin has been given a set of talking points by campaign advisers, simple ideological mantras that she repeats and repeats as long as she can. ("We mustn't blink.") But if forced off those rehearsed lines, what she has to say is often, quite frankly, gibberish.

Couric asked her a smart question about the proposed $700 billion bailout of the American financial sector. It was designed to see if Palin understood that the problem in this crisis is that credit and liquidity in the financial system has dried up, and that that's why, in the estimation of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, the government needs to step in to buy up Wall Street's most toxic liabilities. Here's the entire exchange:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

This is nonsense—a vapid emptying out of every catchphrase about economics that came into her head. Some commentators, like CNN's Campbell Brown, have argued that it's sexist to keep Sarah Palin under wraps, as if she were a delicate flower who might wilt under the bright lights of the modern media. But the more Palin talks, the more we see that it may not be sexism but common sense that's causing the McCain campaign to treat her like a time bomb.

Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president. She is a feisty, charismatic politician who has done some good things in Alaska. But she has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start. The next administration is going to face a set of challenges unlike any in recent memory. There is an ongoing military operation in Iraq that still costs $10 billion a month, a war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan that is not going well and is not easily fixed. Iran, Russia and Venezuela present tough strategic challenges.

Domestically, the bailout and reform of the financial industry will take years and hundreds of billions of dollars. Health-care costs, unless curtailed, will bankrupt the federal government. Social Security, immigration, collapsing infrastructure and education are all going to get much worse if they are not handled soon.

And the American government is stretched to the limit. Between the Bush tax cuts, homeland-security needs, Iraq, Afghanistan and the bailout, the budget is looking bleak. Plus, within a few years, the retirement of the baby boomers begins with its massive and rising costs (in the trillions).

Obviously these are very serious challenges and constraints. In these times, for John McCain to have chosen this person to be his running mate is fundamentally irresponsible. McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, it is simply not true.

[battery chucka' one]

Mikey, I like how you started and ended your post with the same line. First the intro, then the line, then the post, then the line again. Would that rhythmic form be considered more of a villanelle or a haiku?

Mikey, I like how you started and ended your post with the same line.

[poptart]

Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president.

Yes.

The response from her supporters/sheep will be, "You could say that there have been a LOT of unqualified vp candidates in the past."

Ok, I agree.
Dan Q comes right to mind, and there have been others.


But at any rate, it's pathetic to see conservative-thinking folks jizzing themselves over the McLame-Palin ticket since she was added.

pssst ... Palin is a pawn, nothing more, nothing less.

The move to put her on the ticket has accomplished ONE of it's major goals -- yes, to get conservatives to who may not have voted on Nov 4th, to VOTE on Nov. 4.

Palin as a vp choice was nothing more than a calculated POLITICAL move.
She WASN'T put there because she is going to jack fucking shit to help YOU, the citizen/taxpayer out.

She's a pawn, and you have become pwned by being duped into voting for John McCain, if'n you NOW plan to.

If McFlame croaks, then yes, Palin transforms from pawn to Queen.

Good luck.

[Cuda]

Harry Truman was so highly qualified and well regarded as a vice president that he found out about the Manhattan Project only after he became president

[Felix]

A trained parakeet is qualified to be vice president.

you're fucking kidding me...you support this fucking wingnut....the first time she cobbles together a coherent thought will be her first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

the words of Cafferty ring true-"did you get that? If that doesn't scare the hell out of you it should"

[Goober McTuber]

I like the nickname “Caribou Barbie”.

[Goober McTuber]

BOSTON (Reuters) - Mocked by comedians, derided by prominent conservatives and reeling from flustered interviews with national media, Sarah Palin is proving a risky gamble in Republican John McCain's quest for the White House.

"Palin is Ready? Please" a headline in Newsweek said this week of the moose-hunting Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate, capping a turbulent week in which Palin's fitness for the job came under growing scrutiny.

"Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president," Newsweek International Editor Fareed Zakaria wrote.

"She is a feisty, charismatic politician who has done some good things in Alaska. But she has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start," he said.

The column could be dismissed as one of hundreds of biting news stories in the hard-fought race between McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, with less than six weeks before the November 4 presidential election.

But it follows a whirlwind of criticism and ridicule from Republicans and Democrats alike since interviews with CBS news anchor Katie Couric, Fox News' Sean Hannity and ABC News' Charles Gibson that raise question over her nomination and dealings with the media.

History shows most Americans vote for presidents, not vice presidents and Palin's folksy appeal energizes far larger crowds than those drawn to gaffe-prone Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, whom she debates on Thursday.

But the governor's troubles are piling up -- from a stubborn investigation into charges that as governor she abused her power by firing a public safety commissioner to her latest stumbles with the media.

Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early Palin supporter, on Friday bluntly called on Palin to step down to "save McCain, her party, and the country she loves".

"Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin, should conditions warrant her promotion," Parker wrote in the conservative National Review.

Palin could withdraw from the race for personal reasons such as wanting to spend more time with her newborn, added Parker, who in September rallied behind Palin for showing "strength, conviction, determination" and confidence.

[Goober McTuber]

Yeah, but she's getting panned by a lot of Republicans as well. She'll wind up making the Eagleton pick look brilliant.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Republicans who weren't voting for McCain anyway. The comparison to Eagleton is ridiculous. Palin brings votes to the ticket. Lots of them. Quite frankly, McLoon would be dead in the water without her.

Who would your top three running mates for McCain have been? Just curious.

[BSmack]

Palin never would have occured to me, but I can't imagine anyone else out there who would have been a better pick. The relentless vitriol, disgusting personal smears and lies coming from the left is a pretty good indicator that she scares them shitless. Not only did she deliver the Amen Corner for McLoon, she actually has them fired up. She will also chisel a more than a few Clintonistas from Onogga. It won't take many to make a difference since each one is a net pick up of two votes.

Tactically speaking, it was the most deft move in the campaign on either side. He hasn't really followed through on it and sealed the deal, though. If he doesn't start stabbing Obilgepump in the neck, he could lose even to a n...igger.

What color is the sky in your world? She may have delivered a few born again nutcases (who wouldn't have voted for Obama anyway), but she did so at the expense of torpedoing McCain's advantage in experience. Experience was the one trump card McCain could always play on Obama. And now it has utterly and totally boomeranged back on him. Furthermore, every time Palin says something stupid (which is to say almost all the time), she reflects poorly on McCain and reinforces Obama's argument that judgment is more important than experience.

All in all, this was the worst VP pick since Eagleton.

[War Wagon]

I'll take a born again "nutcase" over the likes of a Bill Mayer anyday.

At least the nutcases have a compass and know which direction they'd like to go.

[BSmack]

I'll take a born again "nutcase" over the likes of a Bill Mayer anyday.

At least the nutcases have a compass and know which direction they'd like to go.

So did Bush. Look where that got us.

[Cuda]

Palin's experience dwarfs Onogga's. She's run a city and a state. What the fuck has he ever run?

he was the local franchise manager in a nationwide voter fraud organization- doesn't that count for anything?

[War Wagon]

I'll take a born again "nutcase" over the likes of a Bill Mayer anyday.

At least the nutcases have a compass and know which direction they'd like to go.

So did Bush. Look where that got us.

Unattacked by terrorists on American soil for 7 years. Systems in place to prevent future attacks. Yeah, that means something... or do you just take that for granted?

You can lay part or much of the blame for the recent economic meltdown at his feet, but you know as well as I that it started well before his tenure. I'll bet you weren't bitching much about the economy circa 2004 when things looked simply peachy with the housing boom in full swing.

Nobody in a position to avert the melt saw it coming, and if they did, they refused to acknowledge the imminent failure. That would've been true even had Gore or Kerry been in office, and you fucking know that too.

So please spare me the armchair, Monday morning QB'ing I know you love to engage in when it comes to presidential politics.

[War Wagon]

Did I not qualify that statement adequately enough, mv?

If not, I meant to.

[poptart]

Wagon, we've had very few "terror attacks" on our soil in the history of our nation.
In that true context, the fact that it's been 7 years since 9/11 doesn't prove diddly squat.

Gore, Kerry, Bush, McCain, Clinton, ... nobody "big" said much at all about a looming financial meltdown, true.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, has been ON IT for a VERY long time.


I know that hurts the fuck out of your ears.

[War Wagon]

Wagon, we've had very few "terror attacks" on our soil in the history of our nation.
In that true context, the fact that it's been 7 years since 9/11 doesn't prove diddly squat.

If you'll recall, many folks were predicting more attacks, yet that didn't happen. Of course, I can't prove a negative... but had another happened and caught us with our pants down around our ankles again... well, thankfully that didn't happen.

Gore, Kerry, Bush, McCain, Clinton, ... nobody "big" said much at all about a looming financial meltdown, true.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, has been ON IT for a VERY long time.

I know that hurts the fuck out of your ears.

Ron Paul is irrelevant to this discussion, try as you might to make him otherwise.

I'll give the guy credit for being a squeaky wheel, but until such time as he actually puts the infrastructure in place to make a solid run, he'll remain the Ralph Nader or Ross Perot of fringe candidates.

[Tom In VA]

Perot and Nader have has an impact on the political landscape. Certainly not as large an impact they or their backers wanted, but nontheless, it does have an impact. Paul stands to have an even larger impact.

Supporting them is not a waste.

[poptart]

I'll give the guy credit for being a squeaky wheel, but until such time as he actually puts the infrastructure in place to make a solid run, he'll remain the Ralph Nader or Ross Perot of fringe candidates.

Putting that 'infrastructure' in place is a long process, no?

In Congress, Paul's been hammering on this monetary problem for MANY years.
He' been marginalized for it.
A nutcase, he must be.

He's gone on talk shows to warn of it.
Marginalized.

He's voted nearly 100% in accordance with the Constitution.
Marginalized ... for doing what he's sworn to do.

He appeared in the republican debates.
Marginalized ... to say the least.

Visits with Sean Hannity.
Marginalized.

Dins and I speak of him to y'all.
Marginalized.



And then 'conservatives' jizz themselves over Sarah Palin being added to the ticket.

Pwnderous.

[Mister Bushice]

The key word being "Marginalized"

A LEADER would not be. Marginalized. At every opportunity.

Dins and I speak of him to y'all.

Lost me here.

Dinsdale? He's a fucking verbose tiny corner of the internet know it all fruit cake.

NOT a good choice for your running mate on this one, dude.

Marginalized? Yes, but you did that to yourself by hooking up with cliffy.

[poptart]

What would you have a leader do?

Piss on the Constitution like the rest of the representatives of the people do?

Crater on his fundamental DUTY so that he gains appeal within his party ... and so that sheeple like you will then recognize him?

Is that the leadership you're speaking of?


I hope you don't teach your children how to be brainless drones.

Just please let it end with you.


Dinsdale has very accurately detailed for you ... over and over again ... why Ron Paul is YOUR guy.

You just won't have it.

[Dinsdale]

He's voted nearly 100% in accordance with the Constitution.
Marginalized ... for doing what he's sworn to do.

The Sheeple just don't get it... because they are cowards.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Only ONE has honored this oath in recent memory.

ONE.


The question becomes -- why do you support people who A) Are PROVEN liars, whose word means nothing, and B) Who are declaring the US Government's operationg procedures to be null and void?


How do you expect these people to enforce and enact any sort of meaningful rules, when from Day 1, they make it VERY CLEAR they have no intention of following the rules they swore to be bound by?


It doesn't make any sense.

[Mister Bushice]

What would you have a leader do?

Piss on the Constitution like the rest of the representatives of the people do?

Crater on his fundamental DUTY so that he gains appeal within his party ... and so that sheeple like you will then recognize him?

Is that the leadership you're speaking of?

If this guy is so great - WHY is he not in contention RIGHT NOW?

Dinsdale has very accurately detailed for you ... over and over again ... why Ron Paul is YOUR guy.

You just won't have it.

Won't have it? Like I alone have the ultimate choice on who the republicans elect to represent their party?

Get a grip. Paul didn't do very well in the primaries in most states, or else he would be debating right now, and HE dropped out.

And you have to wonder - He's 73. Where the fuck has he been since his last full on run for the presidency in 1988?

[Dinsdale]

If this guy is so great - WHY is he not in contention RIGHT NOW?

Because you and your fellow Sheeple live in fear of personal responsibility.

VERY simple, actually.


You have a duty as an American to ensure the Constitution is upheld, and you've let the rest of us down.