Question for Democrats:

battery chucka' one · Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:21 pm

Would you accept/be alright with an Obama victory next month if the only reason that he ended up winning is because of ACORN related voter fraud allowed him to prevail in key battleground states?

I'm curious to read your responses.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:48 pm

battery chucka' one wrote:Would you accept/be alright with an Obama victory next month if the only reason that he ended up winning is because of ACORN related voter fraud allowed him to prevail in key battleground states?

I'm curious to read your responses.

absolutely not...
as I indicated in the other thread simply submitting fraudulent registrations is a long way from actual fraudulent votes...somebody still has to show up at the polls, submit an identification that matches with the registration, and cast an actual vote.....frankly, that seems like a lot of time and expense, not to mention the potential danger (jail time) one could face

but I see the Reps are couching themselves for a potential challenge to an Obama victory...

I'll give them one thing-they won't go quietly

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:57 pm

Felix wrote:
battery chucka' one wrote:Would you accept/be alright with an Obama victory next month if the only reason that he ended up winning is because of ACORN related voter fraud allowed him to prevail in key battleground states?

I'm curious to read your responses.
absolutely not...
as I indicated in the other thread simply submitting fraudulent registrations is a long way from actual fraudulent votes...somebody still has to show up at the polls, submit an identification that matches with the registration, and cast an actual vote.....frankly, that seems like a lot of time and expense, not to mention the potential danger (jail time) one could face

but I see the Reps are couching themselves for a potential challenge to an Obama victory...

I'll give them one thing-they won't go quietly

...Felix: currently holding a big bag of votes.

battery chucka' one · Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:03 pm

Felix, I believe that these are absentee ballots we're talking about. I think that if somebody casts multiple absentee ballots (and they're placed into the official tally), that counts as fraud. Don't you?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:23 pm

Only if there's a current rule in place against breaking the rules.

battery chucka' one · Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:46 pm

In this case, Mikey, I believe that there is. Also, these actions would be considered detrimental to the legitimate voters and, as such, selfish.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:34 am

Felix wrote:simply submitting fraudulent registrations is a long way from actual fraudulent votes

no it isn't, it's really just a short step from it

battery chucka' one · Post by **battery chucka' one** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:05 am

Anyway, back to the topic. Would you accept/support the victory via ACORN rules?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:55 am

battery chucka' one wrote:Anyway, back to the topic. Would you accept/support the victory via ACORN rules?

There are no "ACORN Rules" you fucking retard. Get your head out of your ass and stop listening to Michael Savage.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:30 am

BSmack wrote: There are no "ACORN Rules"

I think that's what got ACORN in trouble.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:38 am

Cuda wrote:
it's really just a short step from it

no it isn't, and I've laid out the reasons why I believe it would be extremely difficult

I'd like to hear the reasons why you think perpetuating this type of voter fraud would be some sort of snap

when you consider that this story has been plastered all over the television and received non-stop coverage in most of the major newspapers, I'd be willing to bet that by and large, polling stations will be extra vigilant in scrutinizing voter identifications

insofar as absentee ballots are concerned, a sudden increase in the percentage of these type ballots would raise some red flags

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:29 am

Tom In VA wrote:
BSmack wrote: There are no "ACORN Rules"
I think that's what got ACORN in trouble.

Nice try twisting words Tom. Too bad that's all your party has left.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:28 pm

Felix wrote:
Cuda wrote:
it's really just a short step from it
no it isn't, and I've laid out the reasons why I believe it would be extremely difficult

I'd like to hear the reasons why you think perpetuating this type of voter fraud would be some sort of snap

when you consider that this story has been plastered all over the television and received non-stop coverage in most of the major newspapers, I'd be willing to bet that by and large, polling stations will be extra vigilant in scrutinizing voter identifications

insofar as absentee ballots are concerned, a sudden increase in the percentage of these type ballots would raise some red flags

too bad your beliefs don't agree with the law, feeldix. submitting fraudulent voter registrations is a felony same as casting a fraudulent vote is

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:40 pm

Cuda wrote:too bad your beliefs don't agree with the law, feeldix. submitting fraudulent voter registrations is a felony same as casting a fraudulent vote is

I guess that would be why ACORN flagged bogus registration cards for the election authorities and has cooperated with their investigations. Sorry Cooter, that dog don't hunt.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:53 pm

I guess we can put you down as a "yes" on the question then, monica

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:57 pm

Cuda wrote:I guess we can put you down as a "yes" on the question then, monica

It's a bullshit question and anyone who asks it is a mouth breathing mongoloid.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:59 pm

let go of the closet door, princess

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:39 pm

Cuda wrote:
too bad your beliefs don't agree with the law, feeldix. submitting fraudulent voter registrations is a felony same as casting a fraudulent vote is

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that (at least three times), but apparently you're reading comprehension leaves something to be desired....

but as I recall I'm the one that stated fraudulent registrations are a long way from fraudulent votes and you were the one that said it wouldn't be difficult to convert a fake registration into a bogus vote...I'm still waiting for your explanation for that

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:38 am

first of all, feeldix, your experience of having your ID checked at the polling place is a rarity- in fact it was only a few months ago that the supreme court ruled that states could pass laws to require photo ID to vote. Rather than call bullshit on your claim, I'll just note that until the last couple of months ID checking wasn't allowed- period. Care to guess who opposed the voter ID laws? If you guessed anything other than the DemocRats, you guessed wrong.

secondly, once a fraudulent voter registration is in the system, ther isn't even any need to go to a polling place to vote; you just request an absentee ballot for that "voter"- or in most of the country, where elections officials are trying to reduce costs, every registered voter is sent a mail-in ballot.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:05 am

Cuda wrote:your experience of having your ID checked at the polling place is a rarity

no it's not...everyone I've ever known has had to present an ID to vote in an election...everyone.

in fact it was only a few months ago that the supreme court ruled that states could pass laws to require photo ID to vote.

where do you get this shit from?

I'll just note that until the last couple of months ID checking wasn't allowed- period.

pure fucking unadulterated bullshit

once a fraudulent voter registration is in the system, ther isn't even any need to go to a polling place to vote; you just request an absentee ballot for that "voter"- or in most of the country, where elections officials are trying to reduce costs, every registered voter is sent a mail-in ballot.

where do you come up with this shit?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:38 pm

Felix wrote:
Cuda wrote:your experience of having your ID checked at the polling place is a rarity
no it's not...everyone I've ever known has had to present an ID to vote in an election...everyone.

I've never been asked for ID to vote- not once, ever. Nor has anyone I know ever been asked. So I'll just drop the niceties and say you're a lying sack of shit, feeldix

in fact it was only a few months ago that the supreme court ruled that states could pass laws to require photo ID to vote.
where do you get this shit from?

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/s ... wsuit.html
US Supreme Court ruled on April 28, 2008 that States CAN pass laws to require voter ID. prior to 2000, it wasn't much of an issue, and from 2006 to 2008, the lower courts ruled that voter fraud was OK.

once a fraudulent voter registration is in the system, ther isn't even any need to go to a polling place to vote; you just request an absentee ballot for that "voter"- or in most of the country, where elections officials are trying to reduce costs, every registered voter is sent a mail-in ballot.
where do you come up with this shit?

http://www.votebymailproject.org/

You really are a fucking moron, aren't you, feeldix?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:12 pm

I'm not a democrat, but I'll be voting for Obama. I would not applaud any voting shenanigans, be they efforts to prevents registered voters from voting, or ineligible voters voting.

I think if you're going to make the assumption that some ineligible voters will attempt to vote, then you better also assume that some eligible voters will be fucked with as they try to vote. Only a moron would applaud either of those things, BCO.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:18 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I'm not a democrat, I'm a Useful Idiot...

ftfy

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:19 pm

BSmack wrote:It's a bullshit question

Seeing as to what has been uncovered in various ACORN offices in numerous States I wouldn't exactly call it a "bullshit question". If there there is a higher number of absentee voting this time around, then I would say you have a very legitimate question.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:25 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:
BSmack wrote:It's a bullshit question
Seeing as to what has been uncovered in various ACORN offices in numerous States I wouldn't exactly call it a "bullshit question". If there there is a higher number of absentee voting this time around, then I would say you have a very legitimate question.

What has been uncovered is a concerted effort by ACORN to alert the proper authorities to individual cases of registration fraud perpetrated by paid workers who didn't want to engage in the hard work of registering new voters. Those idiots will pay for their stupidity with a criminal conviction.

Seriously, are you expecting Mickey Mouse to request an absentee ballot? Where would it be sent? Fantasy Land?

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:27 pm

BSmack wrote:What has been uncovered is a concerted effort by ACORN to alert the proper authorities to individual cases of registration fraud perpetrated by paid workers who didn't want to engage in the hard work of registering new voters. Those idiots will pay for their stupidity with a criminal conviction.

Seriously, are you expecting Mickey Mouse to request an absentee ballot? Where would it be sent? Fantasy Land?

Yes, and they have done a good job with that, but it doesn't mean it has put a stop to it.

Actually, I thought you already sent that vote in.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:55 pm

BSmack wrote: What has been uncovered is a concerted effort by ACORN to alert the proper authorities to individual cases of registration fraud

Laughable bullshit, Monica. If ACORN was the least bit concerned with NOT perpetrating vote fraud, all they really had to do was simply NOT turn in the fraudulent voter registrations in the first place.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:05 pm

Cuda wrote:
BSmack wrote: What has been uncovered is a concerted effort by ACORN to alert the proper authorities to individual cases of registration fraud
Laughable bullshit, Monica. If ACORN was the least bit concerned with NOT perpetrating vote fraud, all they really had to do was simply NOT turn in the fraudulent voter registrations in the first place.

That was not a legal option. ACORN was required by law to turn in all voter registration applications they received, no matter how obviously fraudulent they were. Tell me you knew?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:27 pm

BSmack wrote:
Cuda wrote:
BSmack wrote: What has been uncovered is a concerted effort by ACORN to alert the proper authorities to individual cases of registration fraud
Laughable bullshit, Monica. If ACORN was the least bit concerned with NOT perpetrating vote fraud, all they really had to do was simply NOT turn in the fraudulent voter registrations in the first place.
That was not a legal option. ACORN was required by law to turn in all voter registration applications they received, no matter how obviously fraudulent they were. Tell me you knew?

Don't bring truth and logic into this argument. You run the risk of causing a major explosion in the interior region of Cuda's cranium.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:34 pm

What you're saying is there's no incentive whatsoever for ACORN to NOT committ fraud.

Registrar: ACORN Made 'Pathetic Effort,' Submitted 'Thousands and Thousands' of Phony/Duplicate Applications...

yeah, ACORN is being very thorough

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:40 pm

Mikey wrote:Don't bring truth and logic into this argument. You run the risk of causing a major explosion in the interior region of Cuda's cranium.

Oh dear. That could cause serious damage to his rectum.

Wrecked ‘em, hell, it killed ‘em.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:46 pm

run, goobs! here comes Diego.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:57 pm

Cuda wrote:run, goobs! here comes Diego.

Now you're starting to reset...yourself? Pathetic. Stand up and smack, Nancy.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:28 pm

Cuda wrote:What you're saying is there's no incentive whatsoever for ACORN to NOT committ fraud.

Registrar: ACORN Made 'Pathetic Effort,' Submitted 'Thousands and Thousands' of Phony/Duplicate Applications...

yeah, ACORN is being very thorough

which part of they cannot legally expunge registrations are you struggling to understand here you fucking moron?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:27 pm

mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:which part of they cannot legally expunge registrations are you struggling to understand here you fucking moron?
The part where other organizations aren't routinely harassed by partisan prosecutors..

FTFY

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:36 pm

BMonica wrote:
The part where other organizations aren't routinely harassed by partisan prosecutors..

RAH, RAH, RAH... Go TEEEEEEEEEAM!

You're gonna cry like a little girl if ACORN can't steal this election for Onogga, aren't you, Monica?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:31 pm

Cuda wrote:

You're gonna cry like a little girl if ACORN can't steal this election for Onogga, aren't you, Monica?

look douchebag, I've asked you five fucking times to produce any credible way in which these fraudulent registrations can be turned into fraudulent votes......

in order for a first time registrant to vote in person, they have to (in most cases) present some form of identification (many states require a photo ID), some sort of bill that identifies who they are and where they live, the last four digits of a real social security number (which are cross checked)....on an absentee ballot, they must provide a real address which is checked with public records to verify the address exists and the person presenting the absentee ballot is in fact the person listed as residing in that house PLUS, the last four digits of an actual social security number that is also cross-checked...seems like a lot of work for one vote, especially considering that if a fraudulent registrant shows up at a polling to vote, they are subject to potential jail time in a federal penitentiary...

there is simply no way to turn these fake registrations into some sort of massive voting bloc designed to steal an election

on the other hand, the Reps using voter suppression tactics such as threats that an individual will be arrested at the polling station if they show up, or purging of voter rolls, etc. is really the only way to actually steal and election

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:41 pm

I've explained how it's done you brain dead fuck.

You & Monica are perfect examples of what Churchill said about English juries not convicting anyone of sodomy because half of them refuse to believe it can be done and the other half are doing it.

Come out of the closet, feeldix. You might start by admitting to yourself that you're OK with vote fraud- something that's already obvious to everybody else

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:13 pm

Felix wrote:
Cuda wrote:

You're gonna cry like a little girl if ACORN can't steal this election for Onogga, aren't you, Monica?
look douchebag, I've asked you five fucking times to produce any credible way in which these fraudulent registrations can be turned into fraudulent votes......

If you're expecting to ever get anything resembling an honest answer out of Cuda....well just don't hold yer breath.

Notice that word above his avatar?
Why do you think that's there?
It's a description that he's proud to make every effort to live up to.

And he's become very good at it.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:42 pm

l to r: cuda, mvscal

-sin,
LTS TARD 2