Sarah Palin dumber than we thought?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:38 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:All the ones who loved him because "they could have a beer with him" and "he's one of us" and "he's god-fearing man?" All those dipshits in "REAL America?"

You sure it was ex you did and not the brown acid ? That kind of pandering is the political game. "Kissing babies and shaking hands" the Democrats are superior at it, that's why they won. They've cornered the market on pandering.

Republicans would do well to learn from them in my opinion. What appears to be pandering with lack of principle is actually a very disciplined strategy to accomplish a specific agenda - one that has little or nothing to do with the promises made during the pandering process.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:05 pm

BSmack wrote:
War Wagon wrote:Bri... it's over...

Please don't think this gal is a threat to you anymore.

Leave the poor girl alone.
Hey, I'm not the one running to Fox News with these stories. This is stuff dished up by her own staffers.

Seriously...they way it is SUPPOSED to work is - think; then type....got it?

McCan't is appearing like a bitter old man by not coming out and telling his so called "advisors" to shut the fuck up and quit scapegoating.....

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:38 pm

"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

I like it. Community service was a requirement at my high school and grade school to graduate. Although I went through a private school system.

On the surface it looks good. Get some of these kids of their ass and on the ball. Get them out helping each other and the community they live in. Kind of sounds like a variation of the colony of Jamestown in Virginia. No work, no food.

Of course we know how the original colonists felt about compulsory labor

Could this be the start of the indoctrination ? You work. I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep ... they sure are throwing the term "NEW ORDER" around an awful lot more these days. I don't think they're talking about an 80's band. I don't know if they're talking about some evil Illuminati conspiracy but I wish they'd use something like, "There's a New Sheriff in Town", instead.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:59 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Could this be the start of the indoctrination ? You work. I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep ... they sure are throwing the term "NEW ORDER" around an awful lot more these days. I don't think they're talking about an 80's band. I don't know if they're talking about some evil Illuminati conspiracy but I wish they'd use something like, "There's a New Sheriff in Town", instead.

Work brings freedom.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:00 pm

Tom In VA wrote: Could this be the start of the indoctrination ? You work. I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep ... they sure are throwing the term "NEW ORDER" around an awful lot more these days. I don't think they're talking about an 80's band. I don't know if they're talking about some evil Illuminati conspiracy but I wish they'd use something like, "There's a New Sheriff in Town", instead.

Do you really believe this crap? "I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep". Really?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:00 pm

the original German sounds nicer...

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:10 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Tom In VA wrote: Could this be the start of the indoctrination ? You work. I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep ... they sure are throwing the term "NEW ORDER" around an awful lot more these days. I don't think they're talking about an 80's band. I don't know if they're talking about some evil Illuminati conspiracy but I wish they'd use something like, "There's a New Sheriff in Town", instead.
Do you really believe this crap? "I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep". Really?

Currently I choose not to believe it.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:11 pm

I was trying to be subtle, fucknut.

Besides, none of the Dems would have got it. If they knew any history, they'd be Republicans.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:16 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Tom In VA wrote: Could this be the start of the indoctrination ? You work. I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep ... they sure are throwing the term "NEW ORDER" around an awful lot more these days. I don't think they're talking about an 80's band. I don't know if they're talking about some evil Illuminati conspiracy but I wish they'd use something like, "There's a New Sheriff in Town", instead.
Do you really believe this crap? "I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep". Really?
Currently I choose not to believe it.

But you do put it out there as if you do. This is the kind of stuff I was talking about.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:17 pm

why shouldn't anybody believe it?

why shouldn't we take these people at their word?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:19 pm

Cuda wrote:why shouldn't anybody believe it?

why shouldn't we take these people at their word?

I was talking to Tom. When I need input from a tinfoil hatter, I'll let you know.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:23 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Cuda wrote:why shouldn't anybody believe it?

why shouldn't we take these people at their word?
I got nothin.

Right.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:32 pm

What is your exact issue Goober and I will address it.

I choose not to believe Obama's community service plan is motivated by a desire to indoctrinate people into providing free labor. I actually view Obama as a well intentioned ambitious young man with a desire to bring about positive change. I am also old enough to know that the road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:33 pm

mvscal wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:But you do put it out there as if you do. This is the kind of stuff I was talking about.
So Onogger is just full of shit when he says he intends to implement mandatory "community service"? Is that it?

I'd wait to hear details before I got terribly excited about it. The idea of community service is along way from telling people "I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep".

Cooter, the hat is lovely. You really need to go for the matching shoes:

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:36 pm

Tom In VA wrote:What is your exact issue Goober and I will address it.

I choose not to believe Obama's community service plan is motivated by a desire to indoctrinate people into providing free labor. I actually view Obama as a well intentioned ambitious young man with a desire to bring about positive change. I am also old enough to know that the road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

That's quite different from saying that he'll "decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep". That's what it seemed you were suggesting. And now you've got Cooter and mvscal all worked up

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:37 pm

In all honesty, I'm going to get involved in service. I mean there's an FDR quality to all of this stuff he's proposing ...

We've lacked cool propaganda posters.

I've alway been a bit of an anachronism, a throw back - or throw away - however you perceive it ....

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:38 pm

You should change your nic to LTS TRN McTuber

Admins...

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:40 pm

Cuda wrote:You should change your nic to LTS TRN McTuber

Or "Cooter's daddy".

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:41 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Cuda wrote:You should change your nic to LTS TRN McTuber

Or "Cuda's Ankle-Biting Little Bitch".

FTFY

Tom In VA wrote: I've alway been a bit of an anachronism, a throw back - or throw away - however you perceive it ....

I think the word you're looking for there is "Retard"

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:43 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:What is your exact issue Goober and I will address it.

I choose not to believe Obama's community service plan is motivated by a desire to indoctrinate people into providing free labor. I actually view Obama as a well intentioned ambitious young man with a desire to bring about positive change. I am also old enough to know that the road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
That's quite different from saying that he'll "decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep". That's what it seemed you were suggesting. And now you've got Cooter and mvscal all worked up

Well, consider the implications. The Federal Government is REQUIRING .... something that should be up to local school districts, state education requirements, and all.

There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism, mistrust, and aversion to too much Government control. And avoiding tyranny, watching out for it, watching for signs of it, and talking about it is our right under the U.S. Constitution.

Just as the folks during Bush saw things in light of a creeping tyranny -

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/nowisthetime2008.shtml

We should continue to be vigilant and engage in open dialog about it. And through push/pull - "I think X here's why" - "I think you're an idiot for thinking X, here's why". Some balance and objectivity can be achieved.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:44 pm

Cuda wrote: I think the word you're looking for there is "Retard"

Helmet's on a bit too tight today. Thanks.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:01 pm

Tom In VA wrote:There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism, mistrust, and aversion to too much Government control. And avoiding tyranny, watching out for it, watching for signs of it, and talking about it is our right under the U.S. Constitution.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence; from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage."

--Sir Alex Fraser Tytler

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:18 pm

Cuda wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Cuda wrote:You should change your nic to LTS TRN McTuber

Or "Cooter's daddy".

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:19 pm

mvscal wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:The idea of community service is along way from telling people "I'll decide where you live, where you eat, if and where you sleep".
You've got to start somewhere, right?

You guys are a hoot. I knew there would be meltage. I had no idea of the extent.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:26 pm

Well Goobs. Why can't we have a little fun while at the same time offer some meaningful dialog ? Afterall, isn't all about the laughter.

See here's a good one. Personally, I think it's in the best interests of you and me and everyone involved that the government sieze 401ks and IRAs.

Look at the market today, we've obviously failed at managing them.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles ... ml?id=5081

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.

Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly.

The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor, in prepared remarks for the hearing on “The Impact of the Financial Crisis on Workers’ Retirement Security,” blamed Wall Street for the financial crisis and said his committee will “strengthen and protect Americans’ 401(k)s, pensions, and other retirement plans” and the “Democratic Congress will continue to conduct this much-needed oversight on behalf of the American people.”

Currently, 401(k) plans allow Americans to invest pretax money and their employers match up to a defined percentage, which not only increases workers’ retirement savings but also reduces their annual income tax. The balances are fully inheritable, subject to income tax, meaning workers pass on their wealth to their heirs, unlike Social Security. Even when they leave an employer and go to one that doesn’t offer a 401(k) or pension, workers can transfer their balances to a qualified IRA.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:31 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Well Goobs. Why can't we have a little fun while at the same time offer some meaningful dialog ? Afterall, isn't all about the laughter.

See here's a good one. Personally, I think it's in the best interests of you and me and everyone involved that the government sieze 401ks and IRAs.

Look at the market today, we've obviously failed at managing them.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles ... ml?id=5081

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.

Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly.

The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor, in prepared remarks for the hearing on “The Impact of the Financial Crisis on Workers’ Retirement Security,” blamed Wall Street for the financial crisis and said his committee will “strengthen and protect Americans’ 401(k)s, pensions, and other retirement plans” and the “Democratic Congress will continue to conduct this much-needed oversight on behalf of the American people.”

Currently, 401(k) plans allow Americans to invest pretax money and their employers match up to a defined percentage, which not only increases workers’ retirement savings but also reduces their annual income tax. The balances are fully inheritable, subject to income tax, meaning workers pass on their wealth to their heirs, unlike Social Security. Even when they leave an employer and go to one that doesn’t offer a 401(k) or pension, workers can transfer their balances to a qualified IRA.

Jesus Christ, at first glance I assumed you copied something from The Onion. That’s absolutely ridiculous. At the same time, the recent financial meltdown might have quieted all the talk about privatizing Social Security.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:33 pm

mvscal wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote: You've got to start somewhere, right?
You guys are a hoot. I knew there would be meltage. I had no idea of the extent.
No opinion on mandatory community service? Just fine with you then?

One positive aspect would be that it would get your kids out of the house and away from their whacked out bitter daddy for a while.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:43 pm

mvscal wrote:Why should we quiet any talk over doing what we want with the money that we earned for any reason?

To protect idiots from themselves, and to protect us from having to support them when they fuck up.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:48 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why should we quiet any talk over doing what we want with the money that we earned for any reason?
To protect idiots from themselves, and to protect us from having to support them when they fuck up.

Seems to me the idiots were running Social Security, that's why it's going to be empty. Those same idiots now want more of your money to protect THEMSELVES.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:52 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why should we quiet any talk over doing what we want with the money that we earned for any reason?
To protect idiots from themselves, and to protect us from having to support them when they fuck up.
Seems to me the idiots were running Social Security, that's why it's going to be empty. Those same idiots now want more of your money to protect THEMSELVES.

Are you under the false impression the money you 'earn' is actually yours? All your money is Obama's. Just be glad he lets you keep some of it, you greedy selfish bastards.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:54 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote:Why should we quiet any talk over doing what we want with the money that we earned for any reason?
To protect idiots from themselves, and to protect us from having to support them when they fuck up.
Seems to me the idiots were running Social Security, that's why it's going to be empty. Those same idiots now want more of your money to protect THEMSELVES.

I think it's your 401K that's empty. SS keeps sending me statements about how much money you younguns are going to be shoving my way in another 10 years.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:58 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:SS keeps sending me statements about how much money you younguns are going to be shoving my way in another 10 years.

Oh, then there's nothing to worry about. I've been a bit concerned as I've heard all kinds of nonsense about social security needing to be "fixed" and how it won't be there by the time I retire. I get statements too and have been putting money in there for about 22 years, so I'll be cool.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:00 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:SS keeps sending me statements about how much money you younguns are going to be shoving my way in another 10 years.
Oh, then there's nothing to worry about. I've been a bit concerned as I've heard all kinds of nonsense about social security needing to be "fixed" and how it won't be there by the time I retire. I get statements too and have been putting money in there for about 22 years, so I'll be cool.

Cool. Good luck, dude.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:04 pm

mvscal wrote:
Rasputin wrote:Are you under the false impression the money you 'earn' is actually yours? All your money is Obama's. Just be glad he lets you keep some of it, you greedy selfish bastards.
Yes, it's such a simplistic notion that people with wealth are entitled to keep it.

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/20 ... 73709.aspx

That's okay. Comerade Obama will put these selfish bourgeois criminals in their place directly.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:31 pm

BSmack wrote: This is stuff dished up by her own staffers.

Palin's actual staffers speak up.

Palin Allies Push Back Against 'Sickening' Campaign Charges
Sarah Palin's spokeswoman denies the wave of anonymous post-election criticism coming from some members of John McCain's campaign team.

Sarah Palin's allies are pushing back against a stream of accusations leaking out of John McCain's campaign that the Alaska governor was incompetent during the run-up to the election. One Palin aide called the charges "sickening."

Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton on Friday denied reports that have surfaced since Election Day that there was tension between the vice presidential candidate and McCain's staff.

They range from claims that Palin went on extensive spending sprees to accounts that campaign officials had serious doubts about her preparedness to to be vice president.

Sources told FOX News, for instance, that Palin did not realize that Africa was a continent and not a country, and that she could not name the nations that had signed the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Palin herself brushed off the finger-pointing Wednesday, saying she wouldn't engage "any of the negativity" or "pettiness" from anonymous sources.

Stapleton released a written statement Friday calling the charges "unfortunate and, quite honestly, sickening."

"The accusations we are hearing and reading are not true and since we deny all these anonymous allegations, there is nothing specific to which we will respond," she wrote. "We have the highest regards for Senator John McCain. Governor Palin was honored to be chosen as McCain's running mate."

Newsweek also reported that Palin may have spent "tens of thousands" of dollars more on wardrobe expenses than the $150,000 that was reported in the days before Election Day. The money allegedly went toward clothes for her and her family from high-end stores, even though she was originally told to buy just three suits and hire a stylist for the Republican National Convention.

One aide called the spree "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," according to the magazine. Palin also reportedly asked to speak at McCain's concession speech Tuesday, and was denied.

McCain adviser Nicole Wallace defended Palin on NBC's "Today Show" Friday morning, saying the Alaska governor "did nothing wrong."

"She is, perhaps, the most un-diva politician I've ever seen," she said. "The only thing I've ever seen her ask for is a diet soda."

Palin said right after the election that she's sorry if she cost McCain even "one vote."

But some are tired of what they say looks like scapegoating.

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum told FOX News that McCain himself needs to come out and put a stop to the Palin criticism.

"She's the one that energized the base, she's the one that got the crowds out. ... She's the one that comes out of this without any scars and now they're trying to give her some," Santorum said. "John McCain should come out and say, 'This is ridiculous,' and set the record straight."

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:35 pm

And as far as Dumbfuck Dems saying who should be the next nominee...

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency, even as news reports surface that some McCain staffers think she was a liability.

Only 20% of GOP voters say Palin hurt the party’s ticket, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Six percent (6%) say she had no impact, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year -- Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.

These findings echo a survey earlier this week which found that Republicans were happier with their vice presidential candidate than with their presidential nominee. Seventy-one percent (71%) said McCain made the right choice by picking Palin as his running mate, while only 65% said the party picked the right nominee for president.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:21 am

Mace wrote:I think we can assume school funding will be contingent on the schools complying with the mandate for community service....if that's a reality....and that schools who don't comply will lose some funding.

That's usually the way it goes down. And it is real. That's straight from Obama's President Elect website. Nicely put together I must say.

http://change.gov/americaserves/

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:55 am

The nomination in 2012 is Jindal's to lose.

EOS.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:11 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:The nomination in 2012 is Jindal's to lose.

EOS.

Well if leftwing dumbfucks decide the GOP nomination, they''ll check your input.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year -- Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:22 am

Rasputin wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote:The nomination in 2012 is Jindal's to lose.

EOS.
Well if leftwing dumbfucks decide the GOP nomination, they''ll check your input.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year -- Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.

It's simply a matter of raising the public's awareness of Jindal.

But if come 2012 you're right, I'll be happy.