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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 17_pf.html


By Spencer S. Hsu and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, December 1, 2008; A01

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide. All would be trained to respond to a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack, or CBRNE event, as the military calls it.

Military preparations for a domestic weapon-of-mass-destruction attack have been underway since at least 1996, when the Marine Corps activated a 350-member chemical and biological incident response force and later based it in Indian Head, Md., a Washington suburb. Such efforts accelerated after the Sept. 11 attacks, and at the time Iraq was invaded in 2003, a Pentagon joint task force drew on 3,000 civil support personnel across the United States.

In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.

In late 2007, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed a directive approving more than $556 million over five years to set up the three response teams, known as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Forces. Planners assume an incident could lead to thousands of casualties, more than 1 million evacuees and contamination of as many as 3,000 square miles, about the scope of damage Hurricane Katrina caused in 2005.

Last month, McHale said, authorities agreed to begin a $1.8 million pilot project funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency through which civilian authorities in five states could tap military planners to develop disaster response plans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Washington and West Virginia will each focus on a particular threat -- pandemic flu, a terrorist attack, hurricane, earthquake and catastrophic chemical release, respectively -- speeding up federal and state emergency planning begun in 2003.

Last Monday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates ordered defense officials to review whether the military, Guard and reserves can respond adequately to domestic disasters.

Gates gave commanders 25 days to propose changes and cost estimates. He cited the work of a congressionally chartered commission, which concluded in January that the Guard and reserve forces are not ready and that they lack equipment and training.

Bert B. Tussing, director of homeland defense and security issues at the U.S. Army War College's Center for Strategic Leadership, said the new Pentagon approach "breaks the mold" by assigning an active-duty combat brigade to the Northern Command for the first time. Until now, the military required the command to rely on troops requested from other sources.

"This is a genuine recognition that this [job] isn't something that you want to have a pickup team responsible for," said Tussing, who has assessed the military's homeland security strategies.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute are troubled by what they consider an expansion of executive authority.

Domestic emergency deployment may be "just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority," or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU's National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of "a creeping militarization" of homeland security.

"There's a notion that whenever there's an important problem, that the thing to do is to call in the boys in green," Healy said, "and that's at odds with our long-standing tradition of being wary of the use of standing armies to keep the peace."

McHale stressed that the response units will be subject to the act, that only 8 percent of their personnel will be responsible for security and that their duties will be to protect the force, not other law enforcement. For decades, the military has assigned larger units to respond to civil disturbances, such as during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

U.S. forces are already under heavy strain, however. The first reaction force is built around the Army's 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, which returned in April after 15 months in Iraq. The team includes operations, aviation and medical task forces that are to be ready to deploy at home or overseas within 48 hours, with units specializing in chemical decontamination, bomb disposal, emergency care and logistics.

The one-year domestic mission, however, does not replace the brigade's next scheduled combat deployment in 2010. The brigade may get additional time in the United States to rest and regroup, compared with other combat units, but it may also face more training and operational requirements depending on its homeland security assignments.

Renuart said the Pentagon is accounting for the strain of fighting two wars, and the need for troops to spend time with their families. "We want to make sure the parameters are right for Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. The 1st Brigade's soldiers "will have some very aggressive training, but will also be home for much of that."

Although some Pentagon leaders initially expected to build the next two response units around combat teams, they are likely to be drawn mainly from reserves and the National Guard, such as the 218th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade from South Carolina, which returned in May after more than a year in Afghanistan.

Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it.

"It's one thing to decide upon a course of action, and it's something else to make it happen," he said. "It's time to put our money where our mouth is."


And Onnaggo wants to put 250,000 black shirts as civilian security on the streets by 2012. NICE :waz:
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Blame Obama (who isn't President yet in case you had forgotten) for something the Bush Administration has been pushing since 2005. NICE
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Where did he blame Obama ?

Save it, he didn't.

The only thing he said about Obama was questioning how the Civilian Defense Force will be subsidized.
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He didn't say anything about how it "will be subsidized", so save it yourself.

Jerkoffinyourface posted an article about a proposed 20,000 strong domestic response force with no comment whatsoever of his own, except that one sentence. The article also mentions essentially nothing about how that program will be subsidized.

So, as far as you're concerned that article and moron's comment are completely unrelated?

You and I both know what he was trying to imply, so save it.
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No, the article concludes as to the cost - "Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it."

Couple that with Obama's plan for a CDF, I drew the inference that Jerkovich was opining more about money being spent AND the continued scope creep of our police state.

I didn't see his as a partisan post. I know you seem to be crippled by the notion of objectivity, but some people actually do try.
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Tom In VA wrote:No, the article concludes as to the cost - "Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it."

Couple that with Obama's plan for a CDF, I drew the inference that Jerkovich was opining more about money being spent AND the continued scope creep of our police state.

I didn't see his as a partisan post. I know you seem to be crippled by the notion of objectivity, but some people actually do try.
Uh...did you read the thread title? Please give me your interpretation as to how this relates to the money being spent.

And of course his spelling of Obama's name only reflects a sad lack of phonetic skills, I guess, and no partisanship whatsoever.

You can now GFY.
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i really think you're being overly sensitive toward Ojigaboo, mikey

after all, he DID say he wanted 250k brownshirts
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Cuda wrote:i really think you're being overly sensitive toward Ojigaboo, mikey

after all, he DID say he wanted 250k brownshirts
Truthfully, I don't GARA what you or Jerkwad think about Obama. Why should I?

But that doesn't mean that when one of you puts up a typically moronic post I won't go ahead and call a spade a spade.
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you're either melting, or you've got buyers' remorse, throwing racial epithets around like that
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Mikey wrote: Uh...did you read the thread title? Please give me your interpretation as to how this relates to the money being spent.

And of course his spelling of Obama's name only reflects a sad lack of phonetic skills, I guess, and no partisanship whatsoever.

You can now GFY.
Jerkovich was opining more about money being spent AND the continued scope creep of our police state

Yeah, we never call the President by a name mocking him around here. We're always real official - President George W. Bush, all the time. Never, Dubya, Dummya, Chimpy, etc.. etc...

I think your pants are too fucking tight from pigging out on Thanksgiving, that's what's REALLY going on here and gotten on your nerves. Drink lots of water and get some exercise.
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Goddammit, mikey. It's Clinton's fault.

Says so right here in my neocon handbook. All bad shit is Clinton's fault* until Jan. 20, 2009 when it officially becomes Obamalama ding dong's fault.

* Some existing conditions are not Clintons fault as they were fukked up on jimmah's watch.
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mvscal wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Drink lots of water and get some exercise.
...or else the Noggler Jügend will kick in your door and drag you off to fat camp. For your own good, of course.

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed."

Because arbeit macht frei!!
Stop making fun of my President-elect. He's your President-elect too, you know. In fact he's all of our President-elect.

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Careful mvscal, I sense a hint of sarcasm in that post. Getting people off their ass and working is a good thing. Worked for Jamestown.

In the future I can almost see a return to Spartan like existence. Eugenics. And with as this test matures ...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/29/ ... netics.php

It should be easy to cull all non-hackers from the herd before they get a chance to propagate their disease any further.
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The Jamestown example is the exact opposite of what Ocoon is proposing, Tom.

Until they let people keep ALL their own harvests, the Jamestown colony fucking near starved itself into extinction
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Indeed. However the philosophy of no work, no food also helped.
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Let me see if I got this straight...

...RACK the troops...


...unless the president is black.
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Martyred wrote:Let me see if I got this straight...

...RACK the troops...


...unless the president is black.
Brings up an interesting possibility...

In a country like the USA, where the actual active duty, in-country military is relatively small and quite spread out, an extra 20k troops- in the right locations- might make a military coup easier to pull off. Wouldn't it? Just a thought
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Birdy wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Birdy wrote:In your history it was wise to not be self sustaining growing produce, but to produce tobacco.
They didn't start growing tobacco until well after the colony was established, you ignorant dumbfuck. They didn't go there specifically to grow tobacco and the first order of business was to not starve which they weren't very good at doing. They were originally looking for gold and silver. The guy who first brought tobacco there didn't even fucking get there until the 3rd supply mission.

Just shut fuck the up, idiot.
And no shit demon, it was removed from a private entity to a government entity at the moment of it's success.
The Virginia Company operated under royal charter. Only the financing was private, dipshit.
Do you lack the same comprehension skills when it comes to Blackwater in Iraq? Debating with your fucking complete ineptitude of ever having educated yourself is a waste. If it was financed by a private entity, then it was a private entity and when it stopped being so, the crown started to divide the colony up into counties and started enacting laws exclusive to it's territories.

Private government is a private government. A CEO is "president" of the company you unimaginative doodling dumbfuck. Your Christmas tree has to be a sad excuse of post modernism white trash art with all the presents just tossed under the tree because you couldn't comprehend to wrap the fucking things in at least those funny papers in which you seem to steal your creativity.

Tobacco was there from the beginning, he brought a better variety and this does nothing to point out the fucking stupidity relating to you paranoid, jizzophrenic, pasty white, conspiracy jizz seas believing Jamestown suffered from some form of socialism. I stated they were lazy and just wanted to find gold.

When it got a foot hold it wasn't because they were no longer forced to divy up their land the way rations are short on semen snacks during the upcoming Kwanzaa season in the mvscal household. It's because they operated under a free market system again backed by the government, which flies directly in the face of that wretched sun warmed gallon of chew cud's mention of socialism that you seem to be apeing on with your posts.
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what're you implying, kev?
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Cuda wrote:...an extra 20k troops- in the right locations- might make a military coup easier to pull off. Wouldn't it? Just a thought
Now you're talkin' my language.

RACK the 5th Column.
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Martyred wrote:Let me see if I got this straight...

...RACK the troops...


...unless the president is black.
No. You don't have it straight.
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Tom In VA wrote:
Martyred wrote:Let me see if I got this straight...

...RACK the troops...


...unless the president is black.
No. You don't have it straight.
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Cuda wrote:what're you implying, kev?
That birdy was possibly traumatized by anal penetration by the neighborhood bully when he was a yout.
That's all.
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that's what I thought- just wanted to be clear
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only 18% of the military is black. They would have a tough time fending off the white hoard.
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