Gene Chizik to Auburn

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:40 pm

You heard it here first....

ISU AD Jamie Pollfraud errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Pollard said that Chizoke interviewed for the job last week and he considers Gene to be a "serious candidate" for the job.

The question is, if Auburn hires Chizik, how can they sell to their fans the fact that they just hired a guy that's 5-19 in 2 seasons as a head coach. Granted it was at the most pathetic program in the history of sports, but still......5-19 is 5-19 anyway you spin it.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:34 pm

It's official. Chizik is going to Auburn. Now who the heck does Iowa State go after?

I would normally pile on the Clones especially after the Hawks beat them down in hoops last night but even I can't do it. I feel bad for their fans. I know how it feels being a Royals fan. Every time you think the future is bright, the sports gods crap on you and you're back to square one. Keep the sharp objects away from folks in Ames!

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:41 pm

Hey, Jon, don't forget next year is an odd numbered year which means ISU beats Iowa. So they do have that going for them.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:44 pm

Hello everybody, it's been a while.

As an Aub, I'm good with Chizik. Texas recognized a good coach when they hired him away from Auburn. He was a good recruiter here and that's what Auburn needs right now.

I would have enjoyed Spurrier and Saban coaching in the AU/UAT game though...

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:39 pm

Left Seater wrote:Hey, Jon, don't forget next year is an odd numbered year which means ISU beats Iowa. So they do have that going for them.

ISU is 4-14 in the last 18 home games against Iowa. Just sayin'.......

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:43 pm

Allbarn is screwed... the end. Who will be worse in 4 years Allbarn or Miss Stake is the question currently in front of us all.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:43 am

I don't understand this AT all.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:51 am

Mace wrote:
DiT wrote:I don't understand this AT all.
Stoops turned them down (he's waiting for the Iowa job), so they had to go with a guy who didn't win a single Big 12 game this season. :)

Seriously, how do you fire Tuberville to hire Chizik?

Nope, I don't understand it either.

I'm not even really that upset about losing Chizik. I'm upset with the chance of players leaving, recruiting, and generally setting us back another 3 years.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:02 am

is Jim Walden still alive? he went to the Peach Bowl once, i think.

tough blow for ISU, like you guys are saying. Chizik's teams played hard most of the time i saw them.

Barney Cotton? I don't know much about ISU's AD but it bums me out to see them stink in hoops. they were good for 20 years with Johnny Orr, Floyd and Eustachy and Hilton was no-hoper as a road team most of the time.

DiT · Post by **DiT** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:24 am

Mace wrote:
DiT wrote:I don't understand this AT all.
Stoops turned them down (he's waiting for the Iowa job), so they had to go with a guy who didn't win a single Big 12 game this season. :)

Seriously, how do you fire Tuberville to hire Chizik?

Nope, I don't understand it either.

lol

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:26 am

minorthreat wrote:I'm not even really that upset about losing Chizik. I'm upset with the chance of players leaving, recruiting, and generally setting us back another 3 years.

Yeah...rumors are circulating that Darius Darks will transfer to MSU.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:35 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
minorthreat wrote:I'm not even really that upset about losing Chizik. I'm upset with the chance of players leaving, recruiting, and generally setting us back another 3 years.
Yeah...rumors are circulating that Darius Darks will transfer to MSU.

I've heard that, but does MSU have room for him? I'm hoping the players wait to see who is hired before they transfer. Chizik didn't do ISU any favors by the way he went about this. When your team finds out the same way the public does, it can't be good.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:19 am

Yeah, there's room and it sounds like he can play multiple positions.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:40 am

Walden didn't even come close to ever making it to a bowl game. Back in the 70's Earl Bruce and Johnny Majors had ISU very competitive and got to a couple of bowl games.

I actually think this hire is a decent one for Auburn. They had no business getting rid of Tuberville. 1 bad year offsets the last 6-7 years that were very good. In fact, I'd venture to guess Tommy had about as good of a 6-7 year run as any coach in Auburn history. But that said, Chizik is a decent hire because I think he's a good coach that will be able to recruit down there. He has ties to Alabama, Texas, and Florida. I would say that he probably didn't get the most out of his players this year but maybe that had more to do with him just truly not wanting to be there. Not only that but it's a tough job. He inherited nothing and was only there 2 years.

I know Auburn fans are kinda pissed off about this and Bama fans are laughing about it, but it's not as bad of a hire as it may seem. The guy is 5-19 as a head coach and he landed a damn good job despite that, so that must mean he's more well respected than the fans in the state of Alabama seem to think. Auburn is a very good program and they don't have a history of hiring shit coaches. I don't seem to recall people dancing in the streets on the Auburn campus over the Tubberville hire years ago and he did a damn good job at that school. I've always said, schools that hire coaches based on what makes the fans happy end up regretting it quite often. You go get the best coach for the job and I honestly believe Chizik was that guy. Fans will be loving him once he starts winning 10 games a year and the entire fan base will claim to have loved him from the beginning. Same thing as at Iowa. Everyone hated Ferentz because he wasn't Bob Stoops and then he starts winning 10 games and conference titles and all of a sudden everyone claimed to have loved the guy from the start. Right.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:44 am

Papa Willie wrote: This hire will put Auburn in the shitter for at least a full decade.

Longer.

And well deserved.

Auburn is a shithole.

the truth

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:07 pm

The only reason they play football at Cal is so the band can get a public audience. Now go back to your weed, you renn faire faggot.

Spray - Tuberville got run because he didn't take advantage of the Bammer probation period. He had only recruited ONE good quarterback at AU. His loyalty to Hugh Nall and Steve Ensminger was a big factor in all of this. No quarterback with half a brain was coming to Auburn with those two idiots coaching the O line and QBs respectively. Look at the players Chizik recruited while at AU and check how many are in the pros.

Improving the offense is an immediate need, but getting rid of Nall and Ensminger, plus energized recruiting, is a great start to coming back.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:35 am

Jsc810 wrote:
Never heard of the guy,

I'm shocked.

Death called, and he wants to reschedule.

the truth

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:47 pm

TheJON wrote:Walden didn't even come close to ever making it to a bowl game. Back in the 70's Earl Bruce and Johnny Majors had ISU very competitive and got to a couple of bowl games.

I actually think this hire is a decent one for Auburn. They had no business getting rid of Tuberville. 1 bad year offsets the last 6-7 years that were very good. In fact, I'd venture to guess Tommy had about as good of a 6-7 year run as any coach in Auburn history. But that said, Chizik is a decent hire because I think he's a good coach that will be able to recruit down there. He has ties to Alabama, Texas, and Florida. I would say that he probably didn't get the most out of his players this year but maybe that had more to do with him just truly not wanting to be there. Not only that but it's a tough job. He inherited nothing and was only there 2 years.

I know Auburn fans are kinda pissed off about this and Bama fans are laughing about it, but it's not as bad of a hire as it may seem. The guy is 5-19 as a head coach and he landed a damn good job despite that, so that must mean he's more well respected than the fans in the state of Alabama seem to think. Auburn is a very good program and they don't have a history of hiring shit coaches. I don't seem to recall people dancing in the streets on the Auburn campus over the Tubberville hire years ago and he did a damn good job at that school. I've always said, schools that hire coaches based on what makes the fans happy end up regretting it quite often. You go get the best coach for the job and I honestly believe Chizik was that guy. Fans will be loving him once he starts winning 10 games a year and the entire fan base will claim to have loved him from the beginning. Same thing as at Iowa. Everyone hated Ferentz because he wasn't Bob Stoops and then he starts winning 10 games and conference titles and all of a sudden everyone claimed to have loved the guy from the start. Right.

Typical Jonsesnse...

Iowa State had been to 2 straight bowl games under the previous guy and had winning seasons 5 out of 6 years. Iowa State got not only worse but drastically worse under Chizek.

It doesn't sound like respect from anything I have read locally or nationally. It sounds like a bevy of lower tier HCs and BCS coordinators laughed in Allbarn's face and they got stuck holdiong the bag with Chizek. Gary Patterson called his interview "a courtesy call" on his behalf not theirs when speaking about his interview. Muschamp (Texas) and Vennebles (Oklahoma) both refused to even be interviewed for the position; Hell Muschamp basically did everything but outright laugh after Mobile news stations claimed he was going to be hired by Allbarn when he hadn't even taken an interview.

Allbarn basically shit the bed on this one!

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:13 am

Sun Coast,

Dude, only comment on something you have knowledge of. Okay?

Of course ISU got worse....

Fucking McCarney left Chizik with NOTHING. Ya know, it takes time to build a fucking college football program. Especially at ISU. He had a bunch of shit players that were recruited to play a different system. Chizik wanted nothing to do with ISU shortly after getting hired. That much is quite obvious.

Fact is this...

He was the national assistant coach of the year when he was the DC of an undefeated Auburn team in 2004. He was the DC for a Texas team that went unbeaten in 2005. This guy has a proven history of success.

Yeah, McCarney got them to some bowl games. Too bad it took him 5 YEARS TO DO THAT! And his last year they went 4-8. Didn't matter who the coach at ISU was these last couple of years they weren't gonna do shit.

Muschamp? Psshtt.....please. What the fuck has he done that Chizik hasn't? Chizik's defenses at Tejas and Auburn were better than what Tejas has had the last couple of years with him. The only reason Muschamp's name is even being mentioned for jobs is because Mack announced him as his successor a few weeks back. Now everyone's like "oh yeah, we gotta get that Muschamp dude. I hear he's awesome and shit".

And who gives 2 shits what people think of the Chizik hire? Fans don't hire coaches. Why? Because they're stupid......and it's not their job. AD's with sack go out and hire the guy they think is the best for the job......not the guy that the fans get a hard-on for. I know, Sun Coast, I know........angry fans = no donations. Bullshit. Hiring the people's choice = short-term solution. But what happens when the guy that the fans know jack fucking squat about but see his name talked about on College Gameday all the time stops winning? That's right......they turn on him fast. But now what happens if the AD has the sack to hire his own guy and that coach starts winning? That's right.....the fans start to love him and it makes for a better long-term solution for the program.

Fans don't hire coaches because they don't know shit. Period.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:26 am

JONdice,

So now you feel Chizik was a good coach and would have turned things around at ISU?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:58 am

minorthreat wrote:JONdice,

So now you feel Chizik was a good coach and would have turned things around at ISU?

I said when ISU hired him that he was a good hire because he's a good coach and recruiter.

Yes, I think Chizik would have turned things around at ISU. Not to the level Jamie Pollard led you guys onto believing your program would get to, but most certainly to the level McCarney had it in the early 2000's- if not higher.

I have never once said I think Chizik is a crappy coach or that he wouldn't do a good job at ISU. I just think the expectations were unrealistic and unachieveable at a school like ISU. I know you see this as Hawk hating, but it's far from that. ISU is what it is. It's a football program with almost no tradition, a small stadium, and they play in a state with very little high school talent and have to compete with an in-state school that has a lot more tradition.

I just don't get why Cyclone fans are so upset. Come on, Minor, you and I both knew dude was gone at first opportunity. Heck, even that retard Mace knew it. It's freakin' Auburn. How can he say no?? If you thought he was ever going to be loyal to ISU, you're a fool. This was just a job on his way to bigger and better things. But ISU fans should be okay with that. Granted, Chizik didn't bring any success to the program, but you gotta just hope to get a guy that can come in and win a few games and then bolt. At least you taste some success. It's either that or just go back to McCarney and go to a minor bowl game about every other year. There are no other options for Cyclone fans. 2 choices, Minor.......semi-regular appearances in minor bowls or go get a guy that can possibly take you to a higher level only to bolt right after doing so. Personally, I'd rather have the latter if I were a Clone fan but that's just the Royals fan in me speaking here. Dude, I'd die just to see the Royals make the playoffs once. I don't want a team that can go .500. I want just 1 god damn playoff appearance and then I can quit my bitching about the organization. And if I were a Clone fan, I'd feel the same way.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:20 am

Chalk one up for the Good Ol' Boy Network.

Gill would've been a considerably better hire. So would several other guys such as Patterson, Whittingham, Graham and Holtz. Hell what about Wilson from OU? Auburn needs help on O not D and considering Chizik hasn't shown jack at ISU you can't really say he's more proven as a HC.

This hire isn't exactly jazzing-up recruits either. Chizik better hire a damn good staff and get them on the recruiting-trail.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:34 am

Danimal wrote: Hell what about Wilson from OU?

Wilson wasn't going to take a job his coworker on the other side of the ball at OU declined to even interview for...

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:17 am

King Crimson wrote:is Jim Walden still alive?

And kicking. The only thing more comical than Wazzu's play on the field this season was Walden's color commentary in the radio booth.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:50 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Gill has a 15-22 record as a head coach. Nebraska didn't hire Gill when they went looking for a new head coach and hired Bo Pelini. Nebraska...you know...where Gill QBed and coached? If NU didn't hire their own man, maybe AU had a football reason they didn't either.

I'm not claiming racism here, Sam, but what you said about Gill doesn't even come close to doing him justice.

Gill has a 15-22 record as head coach at Buffalo. In case you weren't aware, that was basically a glorified 1-AA program when he took it over. This year, he won a conference title, and saved the BCS a major headache in the process by beating Ball State. As I've said earlier, if I had a vote for COY, I would have given it to Gill this year. Hell, I would've considered him for it last year, and that was after a 4-8 season. Yes, Buffalo was that bad before he took over.

I suppose you could make a case that Buffalo was something of a sleeping giant before Gill got there. After all, it's the only state university in the third most populous state in the country with a FBS program. At the same time, however, it's a relative latecomer to 1-A (only 10 years at this level, IIRC), has no tradition or history to speak of, and was historically a MAC bottom-feeder before Gill got there.

As for Auburn, one big difference between Auburn and Nebraska was that Nebraska didn't have the benefit of evaluating Gill on the basis of this season before they made their decision. Again, not claiming racism, and since Chizik was an Auburn guy, that undoubtedly played into the decision to some extent. But something tells me that if it came down to Chizik or Gill, Auburn made the wrong decision. I could be wrong about that, time will tell. But that's what my gut is telling me right now, anyway.

As a side note, I should point out that Tom Golisano (Paychex founder and CEO; Shoalzie, hockey guy that he is, should recognize this name if nobody else does) has major plans for Buffalo's athletic department including a substantial facilities upgrade and a move to the Big East from the MAC. I used to laugh when I heard this. But with Golisano's money, and Buffalo's potential as aforestated, he might just be able to pull this off if he can get something to bring it together. Convincing Gill to stay there and build a program might be the missing ingredient.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:26 pm

Sam,

I can relate about the racism comments coming from the ESPN crowd. ND heard a lot of it when Willingham was fired in '04, and is hearing it again since Weis, at least for the time being, isn't being fired. Nevermind that ND actually hired an African-American head coach in the first place, when a number of other schools have not.

The sad thing is, I actually agree with ESPN's larger point about racism existing (among administrations as opposed to the fan bases, that is) when it comes to African-American head coaches. Of course, ESPN is looking for that racism in all the wrong places, and damaging the credibility of others who point it out in the process. That's disappointing, but hardly surprising to anyone who's been paying attention to what ESPN has become.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:28 pm

Sudden Sam wrote: I don't believe their reporter talked to two SEC coaches who said AU wouldn't hire Gill because he is married to a white woman. Jesus Christ! There are white girls all over the south dating black guys. There are plenty of white women married to black guys. This line of BS disgusts me. Feed the rest of the country what they want to hear...that's all this is.

lmao..so you don't think a couple of SEC coaches would try and get a small upper hand in recruiting by anonymously slurring a rival school?

Uh, how long have you been following college football in the south, exactly?

Blame ESPN all you want. This is part and parcel of CFB recruiting. That's all it is.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:38 pm

Allbarn is rather backassward still...

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:03 am

I usually like a lot of what Barkley has to say but I wouldn't have thought of race being an issue with this hire until he brought it up. To be fair to both Chizik and Gill...I think they're equally unqualified for a job like Auburn.

With Gill, you don't see many MAC coaches jump to the BCS conference. Gary Pinkel got the gig at Missouri from Toledo but he's in the minority in that respect. Urban Meyer went from Bowling Green to Utah to Florida. Brian Kelly went from Central Michigan to Cincinnati to wherever he ends up next. Tuberville shouldn't have lost his job in the first place.

Chizik shouldn't have this job for what he did (or didn't do) at Iowa State and Gill probably is going to get another job in the middle level range at Conference USA or WAC school before moving onto a bigger program. Some coaches just need to move up the latter.

Gill shouldn't get more consideration for a job because he's black...that's unfair to any other assistants or up and coming coach candidates. He'll get his chance eventually...getting a school like Buffalo to a bowl game raised a lot of eyebrows this year. Another strong year over there and schools will definitely be knocking on his door.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:07 am

Papa Willie wrote:
Fuck that stupid shit. 95% of the blacks in America just voted for Obama, and Auburn is the racist group?

as opposed to the 90% of blacks who vote democratic in every other election?

i wouldn't have gone so far as to use charles barkley to illustrate my points, but the fact remains there are hardly any black coaches, and it's systematic. that chizik coached at iowa state is no excuse for his piss poor record. no one's won at buffalo till turner gill coached there. plenty of people have won at iowa state.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:23 am

Did you just say plenty of people have won at Iowa State? Hu??

and it's systematic.

Systemic or systematic?

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:46 am

Papa Willie wrote:I've also heard that Gill was wanting a little "too much control" - heard he wanted to report straight to the President (of Auburn, dumbasses), and that wasn't going to go over with Jay Jacobs or anybody else. Also - Gill just signed a new contract with Buffalo and won't talk to another team for at least a year.

I heard it was Muschamp that wanted too much control. I heard he didn't want to report to the AD but rather the University Pres. I could be misinformed though.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:20 am

Shoalzie wrote:With Gill, you don't see many MAC coaches jump to the BCS conference.

Huh? Isn't Miami of Ohio nicknamed The Cradle of Coaches? Besides, you cited two examples yourself (Pinkel and Kelly) that go against your premise.

Tuberville shouldn't have lost his job in the first place.

I'd agree with that, but it's somewhat irrelevant to the discussion we're having here.

Papa Willie wrote:Also - Gill just signed a new contract with Buffalo and won't talk to another team for at least a year.

Interesting, I had not heard that before. Perhaps that meshes with what I posted earlier about Golisano. Golisano is smart -- or at least, he's smart enough to know that he won't get what he wants unless he has a catalyst for improvement of the football team. Locking up Gill long-term gives him that. Is it possible that Buffalo could catch lightning in a bottle a second time if Gill leaves? Certainly, and at a minimum, the job now is probably more desirable than it was when Gill signed on. Gill has shown that it's possible to win there, at least at the MAC level. But why take that chance if you don't have to?

Buffalo to the Big East? I'm sure most folks at Buffalo would love to see it happen. Will it? I'm not ready to jump on that bandwagon -- not yet, anyway, for the main reason that at this point, Buffalo has little to offer the Big East. At the same time, I'd be reluctant to bet against Golisano, long term, if this is what he wants to accomplish.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:35 am

Jon wrote:Did you just say plenty of people have won at Iowa State? Hu??

Mace wrote:
M Club wrote:plenty of people have won at iowa state.
Off the top of my head......McCarney, Johnny Majors, and Earle Bruce have won at ISU. I believe that McCarney may have the most wins of any coach in the schools history too...but I'm not positive about that. Jim Criner was probably the worst hire they've made in my lifetime, and Jim Walden was a close second.

Of course Iowa has had some dandy hires since the Forest Evasheski years too, with Bob Cummings being the absolute worst, who was hired from his high school job in Ohio. Frank Lauterbur (sp) went 0-11 in 1973, and Ray Nagel, Jerry Burns....basically ever damn coach they hired from about 1962 to 1978, and ended with the arrival of Hayden Fry from North Texas State. ISU is searching for their Hayden Fry.

i'm not implying that anyone's gone paterno/bowden at isu, just that it's not impossible to build a competitive program there, especially given the power vacuum in the big xii north. i mean, shit, kansas nearly ascended to the top. they've been to five bowl games this decade, so the fact chizik's record is excused because "it's iowa state" is pretty convenient.

i think the point from that article that piqued sam's rage remains: that yes, you can justify each hire on an individual basis, but a composite view of things points to something fishy. auburn can say they wanted someone who understood their culture [8-4 inferiority complex], but the best their good ol' boy network could come up with was a guy over his head coaching in ames. yes, they're probably not racist, but it's still fair to point out there aren't any black dudes hanging out at their country club.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:25 am

Gill took the WORST program in the nation(1-10 every freaking year) over and turned them into a winner. Dude is a proven HC, PERIOD

If Auburn didn't want the race-card coming-up they should've made a better hire. You can't even say Gill just had more time because he made significant progress in his second year at Buffalo. Chizik did squat. Passing on Gill to make a damn questionable hire is what really brought race into this.

Do I know if Charles is right? No, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:36 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:With Gill, you don't see many MAC coaches jump to the BCS conference.
Huh? Isn't Miami of Ohio nicknamed The Cradle of Coaches? Besides, you cited two examples yourself (Pinkel and Kelly) that go against your premise.

Kelly is not at a BCS program for one thing...

When I say "not many"...I'm saying some do make the direct jump from a MAC program to a BCS program but not many. I used Meyer as an example of coach that goes from MAC (Bowling Green) to mid-major (Utah) to BCS (Florida). You'll get another unusual situation like with Tressel who came from a D-IAA program (Youngstown State) and make the jump up to a powerhouse BCS program like Ohio State.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:44 pm

If a black coach who was an assistant at Auburn left to be a head coach somewhere else where he went 5-19 would Auburn have re-hired him to be there head coach?
I think I have to side with Charles Barkley on this one, he certainly would have more insight to anything Auburn than anyone here on this board would, even the token Auburn fan who likely never went there and doesnt even live in the same state the school is in.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:28 pm

Kelly is not at a BCS program for one thing...

Cincinnati = BCS conference program

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:53 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Kelly is not at a BCS program for one thing...
Cincinnati = BCS conference program

no they're not, though they are playing in a bcs game through an auto bid.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:02 pm

M Club wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Kelly is not at a BCS program for one thing...
Cincinnati = BCS conference program
no they're not, though they are playing in a bcs game through an auto bid.

Uhm...

Uhm...

Uhm...

OK, I won't even try to help a U&L Brother out...

you're on your own here.

Although I'm now wondering what the 6th BCS conference is?

SEC, PAC, B11, B12, ACC...

Is the Mountain West BCS now? Did I miss a reallyreally huge announcement from the NCAA in the last couple of years?