Ohios State 6 - Texas 3

[PISC]

Wow, I continue to be so impressed by the supposed powers that be. The mighty Big 12 Texas Longhorns, down 3 to the weak ass Big 10 Buckeyes. The same "weak" conference USC destroyed. Good thing The longhorns are making a statement that they should be in the title game. LOL Wow when it's all said and done, the country may have missed out on USC vs Utah? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

Well if this holds, I might have to cheer for OU, LOL.

Can the BCS look any more fraudulant?

Yea, Texas would kill The Trojans, I can really see it now. SC'd be up 3-4 TDs on both these bitches.

[Dinsdale]

Hey, I think I figured out how USC could have avoided this BCS "slight"...





By winning their fucking games.

[TheJON]

I'm shocked that USC would be the focus of this "Ohio State 6 Texas 3" thread. Not really.

Notre Dame wears gold helmets to represent the Golden Dome. USC wears tin foil helmets to represent their fan base.

USC has a fan base?

[RadioFan]

USC has a fan base?

Quit bothering us.

Sin,

[TheJON]

I'm starting to buy into Tressel being a shit coach. He's flat getting outcoached. Mack is playing to win and Tressel is coaching scared. Tress grades out as an F so far today. This is some garbage coaching.

[PSUFAN]

JON, JT's certainly calling an aggressive defense. He's bringing the house on just about every play. Doesn't look like scared coaching to me.

[RadioFan]

Hey, I think I figured out

[TheJON]

JON, JT's certainly calling an aggressive defense. He's bringing the house on just about every play. Doesn't look like scared coaching to me.

He has a defensive ONLY mindset. Grow a fucking pair on offense. I'm not saying coach like Urban Meyer (who can get away with his garbage playcalls because he just has so much darn talent), but for crying out loud.......how's about mix in just 1 god damn unpredictable play? And kicking a 51 yard FG up 3-0 on 4th and 2 is just fucking dumb. The obvious call is to go for it. I know they'd already made 1, but you can't expect a kicker to hit a 2nd one.

Mack played to win. Sometimes playing to win backfires. But playing not to lose backfires more often. Tressel is still gravy training on his early LUCKY success. That 2002 team was lucky all year, then got lucky again in the title game. They weren't even remotely close to being the best team in their own conference. Iowa woulda beat them by 2 TD's easily. The next year he gets a K-State team in the Fiesta Bowl that pulled a miraculous upset in the Big-12 title game but clearly weren't BCS caliber. Then he faces a very overrated Notre Dame squad the next year. The guy got so lucky for a few years and now that luck has worn off. He's a shit coach. Period.

[RadioFan]

Wow, I continue to be so impressed by the supposed powers that be. The mighty Big 12 Texas Longhorns, down 3 to the weak ass Big 10 Buckeyes.

Attention dumbfuck: Please pick up the Orange Courtesy Phone.

TIA.

[Killian]

You're a shit poster, period. Shut your fucking man pleaser and stop embarassing your self. You know nothing about Tressel or his style, and know little more about college football.

[Shoalzie]

I love the 'report the score in the second quarter of a game' thread and then followed by the obligatory ripping of one or both teams along with their conference affiliations. Apparently you can't play in a close game or a low scoring game or else your program is a fraud and your conference sucks.

[M Club]

a coach's success is inversely proportional to how shite jon thinks he is.

[indyfrisco]

a coach's success is inversely proportional to how shite jon thinks he is.

All coaches cheat and are the scumbags of the earth. Tell me you knew.

Sin,
jonsense

[PISC]

Hey, I think I figured out how USC could have avoided this BCS "slight"...





By winning their fucking games.

You meant winning ALL their games?

Something other conferences have never HAD to do as uch as The Pac-10.

[PISC]

I love the 'report the score in the second quarter of a game' thread and then followed by the obligatory ripping of one or both teams along with their conference affiliations. Apparently you can't play in a close game or a low scoring game or else your program is a fraud and your conference sucks.

That's what they sell us, that's why Bob Stoops gets away with being a horses' ass, scoring meaningless TDs.

Sucks ha but FLA can lose a close game at home and USC can't lose to Oregon State, a team that lead the 5-0 post season Pac-10 for most of the season.

[Dinsdale]

You meant winning ALL their games?

Yeah, something like that.


Is there controversy over the top 2?

Yup.

Has there been in previous BCS years?

Just about all of them.



But you sit there and spout off like USC's fate was entirely out of their own hands...

and it wasn't.


Your overall severe whininess aside, this is where all this spilled milk you've cried over falls short.

Win your games.

PSU could have won their games.

Bama could have won their games.

UT could have won their games.

USC could have won their games.


One thing they all have in common -- they didn't... taking their fate from their own hands, and putting it in someone else's.

Completely avoidable situation... win your games.

[M Club]

Sucks ha but FLA can lose a close game at home and USC can't lose to Oregon State, a team that lead the 5-0 post season Pac-10 for most of the season.

that's one way to look at it. another is to point out that florida depended on florida to win its conference while usc had to rely on... oregon.

[SunCoastSooner]

Yeah, hard to figure. Florida loses a one point game at home to a team that destroys Texas Tech.

Being down 14 points to start a game, giving up 34 points, being down up until 2 minutes are left in the first half, giving up 368 yards of passing, and committing three turnovers is destroying a team?

[TheJON]

You're a shit poster, period. Shut your fucking man pleaser and stop embarassing your self. You know nothing about Tressel or his style, and know little more about college football.

Yeah, absolutely nothing. Never even watched a game before, in fact. I hear Notre Dame won some football game out in Hawaii. Didn't see it though. That's pretty awesome. Hawaii is a beautiful place. With me not knowing anything about college football, I'd say that win is worth a 30 year contract with NBC. Do you agree?

Geez, who the fuck shit in your cheerio's????

[Killian]

People like you who say that Tressel "is a shit coach, period." The guy likes to pound the rock and play great defense. He always has, and always will play ball control offense. He is on record as saying that his favorite play is a punt. You're never going to see a dynamic offense from him. He is very similar to Lou Holtz in that way.

His record speaks for himself. He has won multiple national championships at the 1AA level, one at the 1A level, and has coached in two more.

As for his play calling, he played to win as well. What do you call keeping the pressure on McCoy and blitzing him late in the 4th quarter? You can play to win on more than one side of the ball, and Tressel chooses to do his on the defensive side. Tressel was much more creative in that game than he was the rest of the year. Lining Prior up at WR, rotating in Boekman at QB, etc. As for the kicker, he was their long distance kicker and was 5/5 on the year, including the 51 yarder he hit earlier. So saying that you can't expect him to make another one is wrong.

It's funny how good teams end up being "lucky". There are a handful of playes each year that are the difference between a team being .500 or finishing with 0 or 1 loss. Great teams make those plays, average teams don't.

You don't know how that 2002 Iowa team would have done against OSU. My guess would be that they wouldn't have been able to move the ball much on offense (like Miami couldn't) and OSU would hit enough plays to win by 7-10. They were their conferences best team, and the team that played the best against their OOC slate. Iowa, on the other hand, shit in their own hat against ISU.

[TheJON]

People like you who say that Tressel "is a shit coach, period." The guy likes to pound the rock and play great defense. He always has, and always will play ball control offense.

Right. And that makes no sense. He's the coach of Ohio State. He can bring in some of the top recruits. You don't have to play that kinda football.

As for his play calling, he played to win as well. What do you call keeping the pressure on McCoy and blitzing him late in the 4th quarter?

Right......on defense. I was talking offensively. He's defensive/ball control minded. You don't have to play ball control/pound it out at Ohio State.

What about not running down the clock on that final drive? Why bring the heat on that last play? It makes no sense. The whole last possession strategy should be to keep everything in front of you because they needed a TD, not a FG. Both were absolutely HORRIBLE decisions. A veteran coach like that has absolutely gotta know better.

It's funny how good teams end up being "lucky". There are a handful of playes each year that are the difference between a team being .500 or finishing with 0 or 1 loss. Great teams make those plays, average teams don't.

See, I don't completely agree with that. I think great teams don't have to narrowly escape every week. You're right, great teams know how to win games. But great teams also know how to put away lousy/average football teams earlier than the last minute. OSU in 2002 didn't do that. Hey, don't take it from me.....ask Michigan's players. Many of them said Iowa was far better than Ohio State. Also, you can be a clutch team but you still need breaks to go your way to win like that week in and week out. Come on, they were very lucky that year. Clutch too, but definitely lucky on top of that.

As for the kicker, he was their long distance kicker and was 5/5 on the year

Yes, but think about the situation here. You're up 3-0. You're playing a great offense. You have multiple running options (Wells, Pryor) and 4th and 2. You are facing a 51 yard FG. Get a 1st down and maybe you end up scoring a TD and going up 10-0. Best case scenario by kicking a LONG FG is you're up 6 against a great offense. I know tOSU has a very good defense, but kicking FG's all day wasn't winning that game. Tressel had to know that. It's a no brainer to go for it. Honestly, I think pooch punting would have been as good of an option as kicking the FG so as to not give up field position just to try and score 3 points.

My guess would be that they wouldn't have been able to move the ball much on offense (like Miami couldn't) and OSU would hit enough plays to win by 7-10.

So let's see here......Iowa goes 8-0 in the conference blowing away nearly every opponent. tOSU escapes nearly every conference game but they'd have beaten Iowa by 7-10? And you say I don't know football?

They were their conferences best team, and the team that played the best against their OOC slate. Iowa, on the other hand, shit in their own hat against ISU.

Who cares? Iowa wasn't a great team early in the year. You could tell we had the potential but we melted down a couple of times early on in the year. We just couldn't quite put it all together. That all changed about 5 games into the year. After that it was beatdowns every week. Heck, we were up 22 points at Penn State with 8 minutes to go and had to finish them off in OT. The ISU game was just a big meltdown. Part had to do with injuries, part I think just had to do with plain cockiness thinking it was over when we were up 24-7 at half. But Bob Sanders went down at half, so did Fred Russell (had over 100 yards in the 1st half) and Brad Banks played with an injured finger that cost us a couple fumbles. Shit happens man. USC lost to Oregon State this year.......I suppose they weren't a great team???

[Killian]

People like you who say that Tressel "is a shit coach, period." The guy likes to pound the rock and play great defense. He always has, and always will play ball control offense.

Right. And that makes no sense. He's the coach of Ohio State. He can bring in some of the top recruits. You don't have to play that kinda football.

It doesn't matter where he coaches, that's his type of offense and the offense he prefers. Lou Holtz didn't have to run the option, but he wanted to. Urban Meyer doesn't have to run the spread, but he wants to. When Tressel has experience and talent at the QB position, he tends to open it up a bit more.

As for his play calling, he played to win as well. What do you call keeping the pressure on McCoy and blitzing him late in the 4th quarter?

Right......on defense. I was talking offensively. He's defensive/ball control minded. You don't have to play ball control/pound it out at Ohio State.

See above.

What about not running down the clock on that final drive? Why bring the heat on that last play? It makes no sense. The whole last possession strategy should be to keep everything in front of you because they needed a TD, not a FG. Both were absolutely HORRIBLE decisions. A veteran coach like that has absolutely gotta know better.

I think he was trying to run down the clock, but they hit a couple of big plays. Even when you are trying to run down the clock, things like this sometimes happens. As for the blitz, it may have been a stupid call but it was a half step away from being a brilliant call. That's what happens when you gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Unless you take your "locks", in which case you always lose.

It's funny how good teams end up being "lucky". There are a handful of playes each year that are the difference between a team being .500 or finishing with 0 or 1 loss. Great teams make those plays, average teams don't.

See, I don't completely agree with that. I think great teams don't have to narrowly escape every week. You're right, great teams know how to win games. But great teams also know how to put away lousy/average football teams earlier than the last minute. OSU in 2002 didn't do that. Hey, don't take it from me.....ask Michigan's players. Many of them said Iowa was far better than Ohio State. Also, you can be a clutch team but you still need breaks to go your way to win like that week in and week out. Come on, they were very lucky that year. Clutch too, but definitely lucky on top of that.[/quote]

Really? Michigan said that about their arch rival in a year that the arch rival won the National Championship? Gee, I wonder if those statements were a dig at OSU? Weird. They had some luck go their way through out the year, such as the 4th down pass against Purdue, but they were a good team.

As for the kicker, he was their long distance kicker and was 5/5 on the year

Yes, but think about the situation here. You're up 3-0. You're playing a great offense. You have multiple running options (Wells, Pryor) and 4th and 2. You are facing a 51 yard FG. Get a 1st down and maybe you end up scoring a TD and going up 10-0. Best case scenario by kicking a LONG FG is you're up 6 against a great offense. I know tOSU has a very good defense, but kicking FG's all day wasn't winning that game. Tressel had to know that. It's a no brainer to go for it. Honestly, I think pooch punting would have been as good of an option as kicking the FG so as to not give up field position just to try and score 3 points.

How much did OSU end up losing by? My guess is that field goal would have come in handy at the end of the game. Tressel was trying to score points at that time. We saw last night that it's not always easy to pick it up on 4th and short. Early in the game you always take the points, later in the game you start to gamble. You bring up a good point with the pooch punt. I bet Tressel's thoughts were 1a Field Goal, 1b Pooch Punt, 5 Go for it.

My guess would be that they wouldn't have been able to move the ball much on offense (like Miami couldn't) and OSU would hit enough plays to win by 7-10.

So let's see here......Iowa goes 8-0 in the conference blowing away nearly every opponent. tOSU escapes nearly every conference game but they'd have beaten Iowa by 7-10? And you say I don't know football?

Yes, I do and no, you don't. That OSU team that escaped nearly every conference game (5 close games, 3 that were double digit wins) also beat a team that had NFL starters at almost every position, and multiple 1st round picks on offense and defense. So yes, I think they would have beaten Iowa by 7-10.

They were their conferences best team, and the team that played the best against their OOC slate. Iowa, on the other hand, shit in their own hat against ISU.

Who cares? Iowa wasn't a great team early in the year. You could tell we had the potential but we melted down a couple of times early on in the year. We just couldn't quite put it all together. That all changed about 5 games into the year. After that it was beatdowns every week. Heck, we were up 22 points at Penn State with 8 minutes to go and had to finish them off in OT. The ISU game was just a big meltdown. Part had to do with injuries, part I think just had to do with plain cockiness thinking it was over when we were up 24-7 at half. But Bob Sanders went down at half, so did Fred Russell (had over 100 yards in the 1st half) and Brad Banks played with an injured finger that cost us a couple fumbles. Shit happens man. USC lost to Oregon State this year.......I suppose they weren't a great team???

Wait a minute, how you do in conference play matters, but how you do out of conference doesn't? Or is it that the early season doesn't count because teams haven't found their stride? Great teams don't have stretches where their own fans don't consider them great, like you mentioned above. Iowa was a very good team, USC was a very good team that year. OSU and Miami were great.

[TheJON]

Killian, I think theJON has watched too many Arena Football games and thinks that the only successful offense is one that puts the ball in the air and goes for big plays.

And I think, Mace, you're a fucking retard. I absolutely HATE the air it out style of football. I like a pro-style offense personally, but nice try. I just don't like ridiculous ball control football when you don't have to play that way.

That OSU team that escaped nearly every conference game (5 close games, 3 that were double digit wins) also beat a team that had NFL starters at almost every position, and multiple 1st round picks on offense and defense. So yes, I think they would have beaten Iowa by 7-10.

Right, cuz no one on the 2002 Iowa team is starting in the NFL. Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, Colin Cole, Chad Greenway, Nate Kaeding, Jonathan Babineaux, Matt Roth, Eric Steinbach, Robert Gallery, Sean Considine all are/were starters in the NFL. That also doesn't include Brad Banks, a Heisman runner-up or Bruce Nelson, a 3rd round pick that would most definitely be starting in the NFL if not for an injury that ended his career after a year.

To say tOSU would have beaten Iowa by 7-10 is just fucking stupid. You absolutely cannot come on here claiming to know jack shit if you say that. It 100% destroys your credibility. How the fuck was tOSU going to even score 7-10 points on us? We gave up like 50 yards a game on the ground. We put pressure on QB's. I suppose you're going to say Krenzel would throw for 500 yards? Please. We held LJ to about 70 yards, Anthony Davis did nothing, Chris Perry was non-existent, etc.....

I know they had great special teams. Yeah, so did we. Kaeding won the Lou Groza, we were either 1st or 2nd in the nation in fewest yards allowed per punt return.

Had Iowa and tOSU played after the season in a conference championship game and the game been at Ohio State, Iowa would have been a 5-6 point favorite. And we would have covered that EASILY.

I did not say Michigan's players were the only ones in the Big-10 claiming Iowa was better. There were players from every team in the Big-10 that said that. It really wasn't even close. We played virtually the same conference opponents and many of the teams we destroyed (some on the road vs them playing that team at home) they needed a last ditch effort to beat. The only game the entire conference season we were in danger of losing was Purdue. Other than that, it was a breeze. Most games were over at halftime. Some of the scores were even misleading because we don't run it up. Northwestern, Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State......we could have named the score.

Iowa's 2002 roster has more guys doing well in the NFL than Ohio State. Bowl games prove nothing. The better team almost never wins in the national title game. Again, if you know as much about CFB as you claim then you would know that.

[Van]

How the fuck was tOSU going to even score 7-10 points on us?

Quite easily. That's what happened when Iowa finally had to play somebody good that season.

Sincerely,
38 points, 247 rushing yards, close to 600 total yards and a three TD beat down in the '03 Orange Bowl

[Killian]

Wait a minute, let me get this straight. By me saying that the national champ would beat a conference opponet that had 2 losses, one of them in a blow out fashion against the only other team on their schedule with talent comparable to Miami or OSU, I destroy my credibility. But when you say that a two loss team would be favored by 5-6 points over the national champ, on the road no less, you suddenly become the beacon for objectivity? Great call.

And you're right, the better team rarely wins the national championship. OU was better than Florida this year, OSU was better than LSU last year, OSU was better than Florida, USC was better than Texas, OU was better USC, OU was better than LSU, Nebraska was better than Miami, and so on. Really the only year where you can say that the better team did not win was OSU over Miami. So that shoots that point completely to shit.

And if you want to compare rosters to Miami of 2002, first of all, you're an idiot. Secondly, who did Iowa have on the outside at WR? Miami had Andre Johnson. Who did Iowa have in the backfield? Miami had Ken Dorsey and Willis McGehee. Frank Gore was a back-up. Iowa had Clark, Miami had Winslow. Iowa had Bob Sanders, Miami had Sean Taylor. OSU played ball control offense and waited for the other team to screw up, which every team did. Would Iowa have been different? I don't think so.

I think that was the only point you didn't dance around. Now that that one has been destroyed, I rest my case.

[TheJON]

How the fuck was tOSU going to even score 7-10 points on us?

Quite easily. That's what happened when Iowa finally had to play somebody good that season.

Sincerely,
38 points, 247 rushing yards, close to 600 total yards and a three TD beat down in the '03 Orange Bowl

So explain to me why tOSU needed last ditch efforts to beat a lot of teams Iowa had put away in the 1st quarter?

Bowl games don't show jack squat. They're 1-2 months after the season and god knows who wants to be there, whose really focused on the game and who's focused on getting a tan. There's a reason we have all these BCS upsets EVERY year. The better team probably wins like 1 out of 3 BCS games. It shows nothing. And USC was damn good that year. They were the only team in the country that improved more than Iowa from the beginning to the end of the season.

Again, let's do the math here....

Iowa pounds Big-10 foes. tOSU struggles against most of their Big-10 foes. Iowa has the best run defense in the country. tOSU is a running offense.

That = tOSU by 7-10???

Right. Iowa proved during conference play they were BY FAR the best team in the conference. It wasn't even close. Killian claiming tOSU was clutch. Uhh, yeah, so was Iowa. 4th and goal with the game on the line against Purdue. Touchdown, ballgame. Blow a 22 pt lead with 8 minutes to go vs Penn State and then win in OT. Now, after that it was all blowouts but to say tOSU was clutch so they're better........please.

OSU played ball control offense and waited for the other team to screw up, which every team did. Would Iowa have been different? I don't think so.

Why do you say that? We rarely turned the ball over. Brad Banks had like 5 picks all year and we were near the top in the nation in turnover margin. Penalties? Very few of those too. So why do you say we too would have screwed up? Based on what????

And if you want to compare rosters to Miami of 2002, first of all, you're an idiot.

Umm.....I was comparing rosters with Ohio State. Miami obviously had the best NFL talent in the nation. USC and Iowa were probably 2nd. Miami came out flat. They'd won 24 straight games and were the defending champs. Everyone expected them to roll. Probably arrogance on their part. If you think tOSU wins even 2-3 out of 10 against them, you're insane. Props to the Buckeyes, sometimes the breaks just go your way.

They needed a 40 yard pass on 4th down to beat Purdue on a play the WR clearly pushed off. I remember seeing the replay thinking that was horsepuckey. They got a PI call to keep their national title hopes alive that was the worst call in the history of college football and everyone on this board knows it. They needed OT to beat a HORRIBLE Illinois team.

Plain and simple, the breaks just went their way. They were a good team too. I'm not trying to say they weren't. But to think they'd beat Iowa by 7-10 is just ridiculous. Heck, to even think they could beat Iowa that year is borderline retarded. Not at the end of the year. 2 months after the season in a bowl game.......maybe. Iowa was just playing much better football in November than Ohio State.

Iowa was a horrible matchup for Ohio State. They were the type of team the Buckeyes simply could not beat because they were so disciplined, talented, balanced, and they could counter every one of the Buckeyes strengths and take advantages of their weaknesses.

[L45B]

Props to the Buckeyes, sometimes the breaks just go your way.

Sometimes?? You mean, sometimes, as in half their games? A simpleton like you calls it luck. But when one team consistently wins the way that team won during the season, there's an element that you can't put a value on, that you don't see on film or on paper. No way you could ever convince me that Iowa, or any other team for that matter, would've beaten Ohio State that year. It was their year. Talent aside, they had heart, they had guts, they refused to lose.

But yeah, as far as talent goes, I think you should probably heed Killian's words. But keep chirpin' away jon, it's certainly fun to watch you prop up the 85 future NFLers from the '02 Iowa squad that still couldn't avoid losing to Iowa State.

And go ahead and keep making all the excuses you want for Miami, but it won't do. That team was supposed to absolutely destroy Ohio State the same way they destroyed every other team on its path to Arizona (ya know, the same way Iowa would have destroyed the New Orleans Saints that year). Miami didn't come out flat. Their offensive line was dominated all night by Ohio State's d-line. tOSU's back seven was laying hits so hard that by the 3rd quarter Willis McGahee was cringing at the sight of SS Mike Doss creeping up to the line. And that game should have never even made it to overtime. The blatent jersey-pull on Gamble during tOSU's last offensive possession in regulation never got called, and would have inevitably ended the game. But the refs got the defensive holding call correct (as Lefty will tell you) in overtime, so the situation corrected itself.

[L45B]

______ was a horrible matchup for ______. ______ were the type of team that ______ simply could not beat because they were so disciplined, talented, balanced, and they could counter every one of the ______'s strengths and take advantages of their weaknesses.

Jeezus JON, you just built a killer template for a Business Mgt 101 SWOT analysis paper. Nice work.