OU should not be allowed in a title game for five years

[Screw_Michigan]

Sincerely,

All the dickheads around the country hating on Ohio State and the Big 11 because they've struggled in national title games. You OU and Big 12 shitheads will be allowed to play in an important post-season game when you actually win one. Assfucks.

What's that now, 1-15 for Stoops? That's almost NFL material.

Dicks.

[Moby Dick]

get aids and die in a car accident.

[TheJON]

Big-12 vs Quality OOC opponents = 2 for about 12.

Oklahoma beat TCU and Cincy. Those are quality wins, but nothing special.
The only other quality wins the conference had were against Big-10 teams (Ohio State/Northwester) in games that came down to the last minute or OT but those don't count as quality wins because the Big-10 is said to be horrible. Can't have it both ways. Either the Big-10 sucks and all their teams suck (as I'm reminded everyday by ISU fans who think they'd be going to the BCS if only they could play in the fat and slow Big-10) or the Big-12 was overrated because they did not win a single game against a quality opponent this entire season outside of Oklahoma. NOT ONE. ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH.....

Let's look at the bowls....

4-3 for the Big-12

3 wins over the Big-10. 2 were games that went right down to the end.
1 win over a 7-5 ACC squad that fired their coach in the middle of the year.

The 3 losses?

3 double digit losses to ranked opponents.

These unstoppable offenses were anything but unstoppable.

Fact is the Big-12 was one of the biggest frauds college football has ever seen.

Oh, and before I get blasted....

The Big-10 sucks even worse. The difference is Big-10 fan knows it. Big-12 fan (well, maybe it's just ISU fans actually since I don't see that from many other people) thinks they're unstoppable. Big-10 is better than people give them credit for, but it's still a mediocre conference. Big-12 proved absolutely nothing this entire year. Too bad OU's loss won't reflect poorly on the conference like it would if this was a "fat and slow" Big-10 squad.

[Vito Corleone]

Sincerely,

All the dickheads around the country hating on Ohio State and the Big 11 because they've struggled in national title games. You OU and Big 12 shitheads will be allowed to play in an important post-season game when you actually win one. Assfucks.

What's that now, 1-15 for Stoops? That's almost NFL material.

Dicks.

I think a Texas exclusion from the above post is in order.

Texas is 3-0 in BCS bowl games
Texas is 1-0 in BCS championship games
Texas is 6-0 in bowl games since 2003 with wins over LSU, Michigan, USC, Iowa, Arizona State, and Ohio State

carry on.

[Harvdog]

Big-12 vs Quality OOC opponents = 2 for about 12.

Oklahoma beat TCU and Cincy. Those are quality wins, but nothing special.
The only other quality wins the conference had were against Big-10 teams (Ohio State/Northwester) in games that came down to the last minute or OT but those don't count as quality wins because the Big-10 is said to be horrible. Can't have it both ways. Either the Big-10 sucks and all their teams suck (as I'm reminded everyday by ISU fans who think they'd be going to the BCS if only they could play in the fat and slow Big-10) or the Big-12 was overrated because they did not win a single game against a quality opponent this entire season outside of Oklahoma. NOT ONE. ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH.....

Let's look at the bowls....

4-3 for the Big-12

3 wins over the Big-10. 2 were games that went right down to the end.
1 win over a 7-5 ACC squad that fired their coach in the middle of the year.

The 3 losses?

3 double digit losses to ranked opponents.

These unstoppable offenses were anything but unstoppable.

Fact is the Big-12 was one of the biggest frauds college football has ever seen.

Oh, and before I get blasted....

The Big-10 sucks even worse. The difference is Big-10 fan knows it. Big-12 fan (well, maybe it's just ISU fans actually since I don't see that from many other people) thinks they're unstoppable. Big-10 is better than people give them credit for, but it's still a mediocre conference. Big-12 proved absolutely nothing this entire year. Too bad OU's loss won't reflect poorly on the conference like it would if this was a "fat and slow" Big-10 squad.

Seriously, when did winning a game make you weak? Bowl games are hard to call because the coaches have 40 days to scheme. During the season they have 5 days. Texas beat a good defense in OSU. OU only scored 14 points. When did beating OU by 10 points make you any better than another team that beat them in the same conditions by 10 points who played a tougher schedule and ended with the same record as Florida?

[Danimal]

I'd say Stoops needs to look into why his O keeps bogging-down in these games. The much maligned "Big 12 defense" did better than the SEC defenses could in stopping Florida but once-again a normally prolific O couldn't score past the teens.

[Danimal]

True, OU did leave points on the field in the first-half, wr's screwed the pooch and Wilson made shit-calls on the goalline. OU should've had a substantial halftime lead But Florida's D did take over in the second-half. Once-again OU's O couldn't step-up and take one of these games. Ya Florida has a good and you can't lay everything on Stoops but once again the O just didn't get the job done in the big bowl and IMO it deserves being looked into.

[Danimal]

I'm not playing the blame game, just stating that in these big bowls they can't score out of the teens. The competition obviously has something to do with that but it's not like the bowl D's were the only decent ones OU played each year. I'd still say there is a trend here that should be evaluated. True, if OU doesn't screw the pooch in the first half and holds onto that lead for the second we aren't having this discussion, point taken. But the fact remains the next time OU's O steps-up big in one of these games will be the first, maybe you don't think they need to look at why but I do.

[SoCalTrjn]

They're not called Choklahoma for nothing. Conspiracy theorists realize that the powers behind the BCS stuck OU in the Big 12 title game over the Whorens because they knew that OU would shit themselves in another BCS game thus handing the SEC another title without the SEC team facing USC or Texas.

[Van]

As opposed to Urban suffering any more after losing at home to four loss Ole Misstake?

Trojans are a lot tougher than Rebels, ya' know?

Look, there was no "conspiracy," at least not of the formal kind. Make no mistake though that there does exist an unspoken, unwritten rule that the SEC will receive preferential treatment when the bowl committees and the writers sit down to rank teams and create bowl game match ups.

It's a never ending case of perception being made to define reality.

When one SEC team loses to another the loss is quickly dismissed as an indication of the depth of the SEC. When one Pac 10 teams loses to another it's proof that they all stink.

When resumes are debated it's just accepted as fact that SEC conference wins and a complete lack of quality OOC wins trump anything else anyone has to offer. Doesn't matter that maybe nobody in the SEC has really actually done anything that particular season. Nope, by default they've just got to be included at and rotated all throughout the top of the rankings...because they beat each other.

It's nothing as sinister as a "conspiracy" but it is real.

[Van]

Oregon St was playing without their two best players (sound familiar, Bama fan, since your team just played a game minus their best player, a lineman at that), including their main difference maker, Quizz Rodgers. Despite having to play in a game they wanted no part of after blowing their chance at the golden ring (sound familiar again, Bama fan?) Oregon St still sacked up and went out and shut out their fully healthy opponent to win the game.

Meanwhile Taco Tech played a three game season. They got destroyed in two of the three games and their one win came at home, on national tv, on the final play, against a big rival who was completing the final game of a tough four game stretch.

Sorry if I'm not too shit hot impressed by defenseless Taco Tech.

Wanna play the stupid Transitive Property game? Okay.

Let's take a look at who beat Ole Miss.

They lost to Wake Forest, Vandy, South Carolina and Bama, including losses at home to South Carolina and Vandy.

You know what's missing there? A single good offense. They lost four games to teams whose combined offenses wouldn't equal one healthy Oregon Ducks drive.

Transitive Property arguments suck.

Btw, that same Oregon St team went into Utah's house and had Utah beaten before they managed to blow it at the very end. Oregon St sure as hell played Utah a lot better in Utah than Bama played Utah in SEC Country...

[Dinsdale]

Don't know why I just did.

Because you're SECBSH.

Therefore, you can't help it...

and therefore, you're an idiot.

Oregon St was playing without their two best players (sound familiar, Bama fan, since your team just played a game minus their best player, a lineman at that), including their main difference maker, Quizz Rodgers.

Dude... just say "SEC" and it pretty well explains it.

Bama was a shadow of their former selves because they were without their best lineman...

Which means Bama got a bad break, and the SEC RULEZORZ!

If OS is without their two best players, including the PAC10 Offensive POY, and had to resort to shutting out an opponent in a bowl, on a very windy day to get the W, it naturally means the PAC sucks.

You should be familiar with SECnology by now.


Despite my love and devotion for CFB, if the SEC gets another free pass (sup LSU should return that second trophy, if they had any ethics whatsoever), I'll be boycotting the NCAA, and I'll do what I can to get others to join me.

[Van]

Transitive Property arguments suck.

Agreed. And I NEVER use that line of reasoning. NEVER! Don't know why I just did. Goddamit!

So, what you're saying is that I do that to you.

Buy me a drink?

[Van]

Dins, funny you should mention LSU having to return that second crystal trophy. See, I kinda have a much bigger problem with their first one. You know, the one handed to them by the very same people who didn't feel they deserved it; people who were forced by contractual obligation to go against their will and hand over their little trinket to the wrong team...

Yeah. That joke of a crystal trophy.

As for boycotting the NCAA should the SEC receive another free pass, well, why stop at three? What, the idea that unless hell or high water comes the Tebows are already penciled into next season's title game bothers you enough to be your breaking point?

The fact that Bama has already been annointed their rightful heir, should the Tebows suffer unexpected calamity?

This is the straw that'll finally break the back of the mighty U&L?

I'm right there with you. I was already about there following last year's farce, which followed the abortion that was '03. This year's cuntslop about finished me. One more year of it and yeah, I'll stop caring at all until they get this thing fixed.

[Dinsdale]

They had a pretty strong claim to be in that first title game, regardless how childish and pouty Trojanfan still is about it.

And they won that game. Sorry you didn't get it done, again, Trojandork.

My beef isn't with the AP being scabdicks or anything else... my beef is with last year, and the pollsters/immoral conspirators actually sending a FUCKING TWO LOSS TEAM THAT PLAYED IN A SHITTY DIVISION to the fucking championship game.


Whether they go to a "true playoff," a "plus one," or leave it the way it is, last season should have the masses calling for heads to roll and some sort of oversight to keep the conspirators from rigging the standings.

Last season was fucking inexcusable. The first LSU championship was more a result of the inherent clusterfuck of trying to name a champ out of 119 teams, 14 of which just flat refuse to play by the same rules as all the others.