Airbus A320 crashes in Hudson River

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:10 pm

Wolf Blitzer is peeing on himself. Alot of activity involved in rescue. Appears all passengers are safe.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:15 pm

who gives a fuck?

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:17 pm

Put you head between your legs. Hold tight. Yeah, that's just what they did.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:34 pm

US Scareways. Go figure.

Wonder if the passengers have to pay an additional $20 for the inflatable device?

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:41 pm

That's a damn good pilot. He set her down nice and easy.

/sin/

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:00 pm

Rack the Joe Patroni reset.

Joe Patroni: "You might fly these things but I take them apart and put them back together again. If you had any guts we'd be on the runway by now."

Posters calling pilots cowards in 3...2...1...

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:04 pm

Pretty remarkable job by the pilot, it would seem. I want to hear what he has to say.

Goddamn terrorist geese did this. Why do we allow these scum into the country? Deport them all back to Canada.

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:13 pm

Not geese but it was a big mofu goose. Serious violation of U.S. airspace.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:13 pm

No doubt. We practice this stuff all the time, but there is a huge difference between the sim and doing it with pax in the back.

Huge luck also in that it reached the ferry terminal area of the Hudson. Allowed a quick response which prolly prevented hypothermia deaths.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:21 pm

Just found out that a guy I work with was on that flight. He confirmed he is okay.

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:24 pm

L45B wrote:Just found out that a guy I work with was on that flight. He confirmed he is okay.

Glad to know it. Let us know what you learn of his POV.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:27 pm

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:29 pm

Outstanding rescue effort. Congrats to all involved.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:31 pm

Damn - I just flew home from NY yesterday - glad it was out of Newark ---- errrr... except for the $80 cab rides

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:33 pm

L45B wrote:Just found out that a guy I work with was on that flight.

Small world, eh?

I was watching CNN after just getting home from work and it's amazing how fast information travels these days.

Wolf Blitzer had a passenger on his cell phone less than an hour after the crash.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:33 pm

Now reporting that plane went down abeam 50th street and is currently around 13th. Tide is heading out and quick.

Looks like the FDNY boats are now tied up to the plane and they are towing it to ???????

KC Scott, NJTransit next time. Takes you right to Newark in half the time of a cab and for $12.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:35 pm

Left Seater wrote: KC Scott, NJTransit next time. Takes you right to Newark in half the time of a cab and for $12.

I was in Manhattan and my hotel said no bus or shuttle - the only option was car / taxi or I could try and figure out the Subway

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:38 pm

Left Seater wrote:Now reporting that plane went down abeam 50th street and is currently around 13th. Tide is heading out and quick.

Looks like the FDNY boats are now tied up to the plane and they are towing it to ???????

Probably just along for the ride and trying to keep it from sinking at this point. Those boats aren't equipped to tow an Airbus.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:43 pm

Fuck you.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:48 pm

KC Scott,

If you return to NYC. Go to Penn Station. Take any New Jersey Transit train on either the Northeast Corridor Line or the North Jersey Coast Line. Both stop at Newark Airport. Then walk across the platform and get on the Monorail to the terminal. Simple, easy, fast, and much cheaper.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:53 pm

Left Seater,

A comment on a news website I read pertaining to this makes the claim it isn't the bird itself as much as it's - according to the poster there - the "metal ring around it's neck for tracking" that screws things up.

The contention seems to be the bird flesh alone wouldn't cause a jet engine to sieze up as it would simply get liquified - like hitting puree on a blender - but objects affixed to a bird that cause it.

Any thoughts ?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:54 pm

Left Seater wrote:KC Scott,

If you return to NYC. Go to Penn Station. Take any New Jersey Transit train on either the Northeast Corridor Line or the North Jersey Coast Line. Both stop at Newark Airport. Then walk across the platform and get on the Monorail to the terminal. Simple, easy, fast, and much cheaper.

What's this? Useful information on T1B?

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:02 pm

Left Seater wrote:KC Scott,

If you return to NYC. Go to Penn Station. Take any New Jersey Transit train on either the Northeast Corridor Line or the North Jersey Coast Line. Both stop at Newark Airport. Then walk across the platform and get on the Monorail to the terminal. Simple, easy, fast, and much cheaper.

Thanks

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:04 pm

Tom In VA wrote: A comment on a news website I read pertaining to this makes the claim it isn't the bird itself as much as it's - according to the poster there - the "metal ring around it's neck for tracking" that screws things up.

The contention seems to be the bird flesh alone wouldn't cause a jet engine to sieze up as it would simply get liquified - like hitting puree on a blender - but objects affixed to a bird that cause it.

Bullshit.

How many birds do you think get collared, as a percentage?

Maybe one bird alone wouldn't bring down a plane, but birds of a feather flock together. It could have been a half dozen, or more.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:08 pm

mvscal wrote:
US Airways Jet Towed Down the Hudson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-tepp ... 58285.html

That doesn't prove shit, as they were going in the direction of the current. Maybe steering, but certainly not towing... and holding on for dear life.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:12 pm

Let's see them try to tow it upriver then, dumbfuck.

Bobby42 · Post by **Bobby42** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:19 pm

'nuff said.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:25 pm

The T1B is an amazing thing, it can turn an Airbus Crash into a Cripple Fight.

sin,

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:32 pm

wags, those tugs are made to tow shit wayyyyyyyy bigger than a little airplane. they push around 80,000 ton ships. i think they might handle a little tinfoil airliner.

Louis Cyphre · Post by **Louis Cyphre** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:03 am

Mace wrote:
smackaholic wrote:wags, those tugs are made to tow shit wayyyyyyyy bigger than a little airplane. they push around 80,000 ton ships. i think they might handle a little tinfoil airliner.
I bet one of 'em couldn't tow that fat lady to the zoo for her MRI....just sayin'.

True, but are they equipped to tow those things/people?

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:09 am

That was an A320.

Imagine the fun if that would have been an A380.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:20 am

Tom In VA wrote:Left Seater,

A comment on a news website I read pertaining to this makes the claim it isn't the bird itself as much as it's - according to the poster there - the "metal ring around it's neck for tracking" that screws things up.

The contention seems to be the bird flesh alone wouldn't cause a jet engine to sieze up as it would simply get liquified - like hitting puree on a blender - but objects affixed to a bird that cause it.

Any thoughts ?

Yeah, lots of thoughts. Can a flock of large birds without tracking devices chew up an engine? Hell, yes. It is also possible that the engine doesn't lose blades, but instead stalls or flames out. At such a low altitude it would be impossible to restart before hitting the ground.

Engines can take handle a small bird or even some larger ones, but we are going to get it checked ASAP. I have had two bird strikes in my career, none in the engine though. Both times on the leading edge of the wing and we returned immediately to have it checked out.

Bird strikes are bad and that is why airports spend so much money to make sure it doesn't happen.

I say that news report is crap.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:23 am

Miracle everyone survived.

RACK the NYPD, the harbor patrol and everyone involved in the rescue effort.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:29 am

smackaholic wrote:wags, those tugs are made to tow shit wayyyyyyyy bigger than a little airplane. they push around 80,000 ton ships. i think they might handle a little tinfoil airliner.

I wasn't referring to tugboats, and those weren't tugboats on the scene to begin with.

I was talking about the immediate responders. Those ferrys and police cruisers couldn't tow a rowboat upstream, and they didn't.

They simply steered that aircraft to the nearest likely landing spot.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:44 am

Not to get in the way of this tug and towing discussion, but I guess I will.

While an A320 weighs way less than loaded barges, the barges are built to be towed/pushed thru water. The A320 would likely be ripped apart by a tow line if it was attempted to be towed upriver. Or crushed by a tug trying to push it upriver. Planes are pretty damn fragile, outside of normal operating situations.

Based on my understanding of FAR 121.391 every seat on this plane must have been occupied. The reports say all 155 people on the plane were rescued safely. Five of these were crew, 2 pilots, three cabin. The FAR says you must have 1 flight attendant for each 50 seats or any part thereof. So if this plane had 151 seats they would have needed 4 flight attendants.

So either every seat was full, or they were a FA short.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:05 am

Thanks Left Seater, just wondering. To clarify, it wasn't the NEWS article itself, just a comment made by a visitor in a comment thread under the article.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:26 am

Left Seater wrote:Not to get in the way of this tug and towing discussion, but I guess I will.

Perish the thought. We like arguing about the inconsequential.

While an A320 weighs way less than loaded barges...

How much does an A320 weigh when it's half or more full of water?

And how much HP would it take to tow that sumbitch upstream?

Just a hypothetical question, because this is a stupid arguement that mv loves to get himself in.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:42 am

Shut up.

These boats you speak of weren't the ones guiding it to it's final resting place.

Clear enough?

Cueball · Post by **Cueball** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:13 am

Bobby42 wrote:

Not geese but it was a big mofu goose. Serious violation of U.S. airspace.

There is only 1 goose big enough to take down a plane. Rich Gannon out front should told ya.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:14 am

Perhaps the frog really were testing their engines with frozen turkeys.