I have one of those four slot routers (whatever the hell they're called)
I only have one hard wired box plugged in, and three wireless ones.
Question is - are the wireless units occupying the IPs of the empty hardwired slots, or can there be more than four stations?
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I'll try and help you, since nobody seems to be around today. I know just enough to be dangerous.
They're "ports."
Ports don't have IPs, network cards have IPs.
Are the wireless setups on a different router? Is that router plugged into one of the ports on the setup that you mention?
You're probably going to have to describe the setup better. From modem to wireless workstation.
If it's a home network setup through a typical home router, the DHCP should be able to pass out more IP addies than you'll ever use. Just make sure that only one router had DHCP enabled. There's room for 254 machines on your subnet, most likely, so you're not going to run out of IPs anytime soon.
They're "ports."
Ports don't have IPs, network cards have IPs.
Are the wireless setups on a different router? Is that router plugged into one of the ports on the setup that you mention?
You're probably going to have to describe the setup better. From modem to wireless workstation.
If it's a home network setup through a typical home router, the DHCP should be able to pass out more IP addies than you'll ever use. Just make sure that only one router had DHCP enabled. There's room for 254 machines on your subnet, most likely, so you're not going to run out of IPs anytime soon.
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Oh yeah. Fuck me and terminology. If I dont' work with it a lot, I forget.Dinsdale wrote:I'll try and help you, since nobody seems to be around today. I know just enough to be dangerous.
They're "ports."
Ports don't have IPs, network cards have IPs.
No, its one router. Its a linksys wireless A & G dual band four port. The DSL goes into it, the main computer is also hard plugged into it, the other three computers have wireless cards that access the internet through it.Are the wireless setups on a different router? Is that router plugged into one of the ports on the setup that you mention?
Wow. So I have one puter hardwire plugged into the router, but I can have a fairly unlimited amount of wireless ones? Cool. Did not know that :)You're probably going to have to describe the setup better. From modem to wireless workstation.
If it's a home network setup through a typical home router, the DHCP should be able to pass out more IP addies than you'll ever use. Just make sure that only one router had DHCP enabled. There's room for 254 machines on your subnet, most likely, so you're not going to run out of IPs anytime soon.
I only ask because I was thinking of building a high gig storage computer where I could back up all of the stations through the network. I actually have an old computer, just need to install a 160 GB HD I got and partition it.
Thanks for that info. You done good.
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This, I cannot tell you. Maybe El Taco or one of the others here can tell you more, or maybe read the literature on the manufacturer's website. I don't think that a wireless hub gives you unlimited number of connections. This still could be easily done, it just might require more hubs/switches/routers, uplinked to the one the DSL modem plugs into(if that's the case, you need to disable all firewall and DHCP functions of the other units, and use them strictly as switches). I can tell you that with a 24-bit mask, typical for home networks, that you can have up to 254 machines on your network.Mister Bushice wrote:So I have one puter hardwire plugged into the router, but I can have a fairly unlimited amount of wireless ones?
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You have one PC connected directly to the router via a cable and plugged into an "interface" (the CAT5 male "interface" goes into the routers female "interface").
They could be called "Ports" as well I suppose, but in discussing network stuff "Ports" are usually different things. So as not confuse the two, I've heard "interfaces" being thrown around by our Router Jockies.
You should then have 253 IP's able to be assigned to other "nodes", PC's, Printers, etc... etc.. on your network.
Thats 255 - 1
1. 192.X.X.100
all the way up to
2. 192.X.X.254
That's the way I see it.
They could be called "Ports" as well I suppose, but in discussing network stuff "Ports" are usually different things. So as not confuse the two, I've heard "interfaces" being thrown around by our Router Jockies.
You should then have 253 IP's able to be assigned to other "nodes", PC's, Printers, etc... etc.. on your network.
Thats 255 - 1
1. 192.X.X.100
all the way up to
2. 192.X.X.254
That's the way I see it.
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Tom and Dins are both correct.
Basically these SOHO routers are limited to a certain number of IP addresses they will allow through them, but by limited, it usually means anywhere between 50 to 253 (1-254). Technically you are not forced to use any specific IP range, in other words you could use completely different network blocks for each PC, which makes no sense, but you can. Most of these boxes work using something called NAT, or Network Address Translation, if you have it enabled. In reality NAT is a very powerful firewall type setup, however, your average SOHO type device has some limitations on it.
Anyway, research NAT if you are interested in that general concept. Beyond that your router just keeps track of the number of devices going through it at any one time and may or may not limit your access to the internet based on those numbers. Usually the SOHO devices allow for all 253 devices while other Business class firewalls will start at around 50 devices and you have to buy a bigger license to go up to 253. Of course a real router or firewall from Cisco for example does not care in any way or form. They will happily run 1 machine or a 1000.
As far as your wired vs. wireless port/interface or even slots if you so prefer are fairly easy to work with. The router doesn't care how the Nodes (computers, laptops, devices) connect. Your router has a 4 port switch (they are officially called ports but as Tom pointed out, ports also refer to other things in the network world) and has a WAN (wide area network) port. You can go out and purchase more switches and hubs and expend your wired capability. As far as the wireless goes, and we've discussed this before, you can go out and purchase access points which can act like wired or wireless bridges for devices that are too far away from your router.
Of course your average SOHO device has some serious limitations, more then just configuration based or device based limitations. It is also based on slower hardware and software that is not very optimized. In other words, your average at home router can only really do 1mb maximum throughput over your WAN port and might even have some limitations on throughput between the machines. This might be ok for your home, but it is unacceptable at work, where you might have a T1 (1.5mb/s) or even a T3 (45mb/s) or something in between (or higher). Also your average home wireless device usually doesn't have all the latest and greatest features to allow you to properly secure your wireless network at home. We've discussed this in detail on TOT I think.
In other words, if you are really serious for whatever reason, go out and buy an older Cisco firewall and a separate d-link, Cisco or some other business oriented wireless AP and use that. Let me just end this idea with emphasizing the 'if you are really serious' part and the fact that I don't waste money like that for home.
Basically these SOHO routers are limited to a certain number of IP addresses they will allow through them, but by limited, it usually means anywhere between 50 to 253 (1-254). Technically you are not forced to use any specific IP range, in other words you could use completely different network blocks for each PC, which makes no sense, but you can. Most of these boxes work using something called NAT, or Network Address Translation, if you have it enabled. In reality NAT is a very powerful firewall type setup, however, your average SOHO type device has some limitations on it.
Anyway, research NAT if you are interested in that general concept. Beyond that your router just keeps track of the number of devices going through it at any one time and may or may not limit your access to the internet based on those numbers. Usually the SOHO devices allow for all 253 devices while other Business class firewalls will start at around 50 devices and you have to buy a bigger license to go up to 253. Of course a real router or firewall from Cisco for example does not care in any way or form. They will happily run 1 machine or a 1000.
As far as your wired vs. wireless port/interface or even slots if you so prefer are fairly easy to work with. The router doesn't care how the Nodes (computers, laptops, devices) connect. Your router has a 4 port switch (they are officially called ports but as Tom pointed out, ports also refer to other things in the network world) and has a WAN (wide area network) port. You can go out and purchase more switches and hubs and expend your wired capability. As far as the wireless goes, and we've discussed this before, you can go out and purchase access points which can act like wired or wireless bridges for devices that are too far away from your router.
Of course your average SOHO device has some serious limitations, more then just configuration based or device based limitations. It is also based on slower hardware and software that is not very optimized. In other words, your average at home router can only really do 1mb maximum throughput over your WAN port and might even have some limitations on throughput between the machines. This might be ok for your home, but it is unacceptable at work, where you might have a T1 (1.5mb/s) or even a T3 (45mb/s) or something in between (or higher). Also your average home wireless device usually doesn't have all the latest and greatest features to allow you to properly secure your wireless network at home. We've discussed this in detail on TOT I think.
In other words, if you are really serious for whatever reason, go out and buy an older Cisco firewall and a separate d-link, Cisco or some other business oriented wireless AP and use that. Let me just end this idea with emphasizing the 'if you are really serious' part and the fact that I don't waste money like that for home.