Troop Surge for Afghanistan

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:38 am

Van wrote:
first starving the "enemy" by cutting off all supplies, then bombing from jets and attack helicopters, and only then rolling in with a ten-to-one advantage in weaponry and protection.
Sounds about right. It ain't cowardly. It's just plain smart. Overwhelming force saves lives.

Sincerely,
Every General In The History Of Warfare

That's news to us!

Sin,
Bush & Rumsfeld

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:44 am

Your "Sincerely" doesn't make sense Diego.

The assault on Iraq and overthrow of Saddam was quite efficient. If you're referring to the occupation and the casualties taken as a result of booby traps, IED, VBIED, WOMANANDCHILDRENIEDs, then .....

You still don't make sense. If you're not going to eat your fruit cocktail put it back in your Spider-Man lunchbox and take it home, or throw it away, don't go flinging it around the room making a mess of the cafeteria, mmmkay.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:53 am

Van wrote:Nick, there's absolutely nothing stopping the rest of the Arab world from stepping up and feeding those people. Nothing.

Categorical bullshit. Do you really believe one bit of you're saying? Are you in fact a Christer/Zionist who feels that eventually Israel must "transport" the soon-to-be majority (in Israel) Arab population to "some other Arab nation"?

Seriously, your take is something straight out of Hagee's playbook.

For starters, if you really believe that Arab nations--or anyone else--is allowed to send food, supplies, amenities, infrastructure, etc. into the occupied territories, you are in some serious denial. Not even the most basic medicine is allowed in without going through the (very punitive) dispersal of the IDF. And they have been routinely starving and imprisoning the Palestinian population for over thirty-five years.

Your claim that the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 somehow puts all of the onus upon the Palestinians to accept it is absurd. The Ashkanazis invaded and stole their land in a blatantly racist fashion. The history of Israel has been sixty years of sleazy backstabbing (Lavon affair--do look this up), lying, and murder. And its days are numbered for obvious reasons.

WW

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:55 am

Blueblood wrote:[

You don't think this Israeli soldier would rip the eyeballs out of some "white trash" 18 year old kid from Missouri in a heartbeat ???

the truth

No, I think the "white trash" kid would butcher ass rape that Israeli hippie in a throwdown. Don't fuck with some kid who has been fighting 8 siblings, a drunk uncle, and a cane waving, senile g-ma at the dinner table for "seconds" while he grew up.

Same kid who fought off neighborhood white trash kids while competing with them in collecting aluminum cans out of dumpster behind seedy bars in rundown, shit neighborhoods so he could buy a baseball glove and a bike.

Kids like him and inner city kids from ghetto housing projects are the ones on the frontline for America...and they always have been. Don't fuck with poor kids from America who grew up disadvantaged and hard....especially ones who have military training in hand to hand combat and the best weaponry on the fucking planet.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:02 am

Tom;
They were efficient in overthrowing Saddam, but they failed to do so in a manner that took care of most of the insurgents. Sure, you're never going to completely rid of them; however, a much larger force would have established more omni-presence. This would have served to discourage quite a few former iraqi soldiers & troublemakers from starting shit, and given the iraqi people a greater sense of security (which would have encouraged more cooperation).

Why do you think that Shinseki called for more troops himself?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:13 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:Tom;
They were efficient in overthrowing Saddam, but they failed to do so in a manner that took care of most of the insurgents. Sure, you're never going to completely rid of them; however, a much larger force would have established more omni-presence. This would have served to discourage quite a few former iraqi soldiers & troublemakers from starting shit, and given the iraqi people a greater sense of security (which would have encouraged more cooperation).

Why do you think that Shinseki called for more troops himself?

Iraqis, by definition cannot be "insurgents" in their own country.

It's a mischievous phrase created by liars, that morons like you can't seem to decipher.

And "more troops"? Yeah, why stop at grinding a single boot into the Iraqi people's faces when you can give them the pair. That'll make them less angry.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:17 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:Tom;
They were efficient in overthrowing Saddam, but they failed to do so in a manner that took care of most of the insurgents. Sure, you're never going to completely rid of them; however, a much larger force would have established more omni-presence. This would have served to discourage quite a few former iraqi soldiers & troublemakers from starting shit, and given the iraqi people a greater sense of security (which would have encouraged more cooperation).

Why do you think that Shinseki called for more troops himself?

Most definitely, after major combat actions succeeded - with minimized loss of life - and he said a larger cadre of "something" was necessary to prevent looting and the organization of militias who then carried out their guerilla attacks on troops.

The problem with fighting a guerilla war with "overwhelming" force is that we don't have the will to do that. I yield to the reality that Shinseki was proven to be right and Rumsfeld let his arrogance get in the way, I'm just not sure if we can quantify how many more lives would have been saved ... there might have been just as many if not more casualties on all sides of the conflict. Because our troops are trained to "kill" not to "sit on a corner and wait, try not to get blown up, but try not to kill civilians because you'll be crucified back home".

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:12 am

H4ever wrote:
Blueblood wrote:[

You don't think this Israeli soldier would rip the eyeballs out of some "white trash" 18 year old kid from Missouri in a heartbeat ???

the truth

No, I think the "white trash" kid would butcher ass rape that Israeli hippie in a throwdown. Don't fuck with some kid who has been fighting 8 siblings, a drunk uncle, and a cane waving, senile g-ma at the dinner table for "seconds" while he grew up.

Same kid who fought off neighborhood white trash kids while competing with them in collecting aluminum cans out of dumpster behind seedy bars in rundown, shit neighborhoods so he could buy a baseball glove and a bike.

Kids like him and inner city kids from ghetto housing projects are the ones on the frontline for America...and they always have been. Don't fuck with poor kids from America who grew up disadvantaged and hard....especially ones who have military training in hand to hand combat and the best weaponry on the fucking planet.

You think this guy gives two shits about some "white trash" punk who is looking for seconds... at the dinner table ???

Or a punk kid from the ghetto...

My personal favorite Israeli soldiers... are the women.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:21 am

You can commit to aliyah any time you want, you know.

Why torture yourself living amongst such untermensch when you can go live amongst the most magnificent specimens to ever walk the Earth?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:43 am

As anyone knows, Jewish girls are the absolute biggest sluts of all time..but they won't just fuck any schmuck who comes along...oh no, they gravitate like bees toward the alpha male..and land him!

You know you want to plow that fervent furrow!

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:41 pm

B.O. orders 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

http://www2.canada.com/obama+orders+mor ... id=1299442

"The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, and al-Qaida supports the insurgency and threatens America from its safe haven along the Pakistani border," Obama said.

bwaaa ...

Oh, ok.

I feel pretty "threatened" by it all way over here in S. Korea, too.

The anti-war lefty liberals SheeMans must be diggin' this.

But funny, I don't hear much from 'em.

At any rate, I'm pretty sure our nation can ... afford ... this new adventure.

Yep, we got trillions to burn.

"Drop your shorts and bend over, Mr Babar."

You know, this Obama feller, pretty much didn't do DICK all the time he was in the U.S. senate, did he?

But as soon as he steps into the oval office he goes GANGBUSTERS, flailing haymakers in every direction to reshape the fabric of America in a WHOLE lot of ways.

And unless you're really a grade-A m0ron, you can see that he's fuckin' the country ALL to hell.

It's curious.

You know, fliends, if I were to step back away, like over here to S. Korea, and detach myself from the situation in America.
You know, just look at it very objectively.
And if I was espionage-oriented ... like if I had watched too many James Bonds flicks.

I might consider that this ... Hussein ... Obama cat is a ... plant.

You know, a dude "the bad guys" slipped in to bring us down from within.

And it's genius, even.
I mean, it would be TOO obvious to put a "Hussein" in at the top as a BAD guy.
So obvious that nobody would suspect it.
It'd be like child care worker named "Ima Horndawg" being a serial child rapist.

But I'm not going to go there.

I'm not even going to say another werd about it.

Good luck, World.

I luv u.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:44 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As anyone knows, Jewish girls are the absolute biggest sluts of all time..

Only you could make this sound like a bad thang.

I've got a feeling you secretly wish you were a Jew and not an A-rab.

Then you could pull hot Jewish girls like "the truth" does on a rather continuous basis .

Not that I'm all that discriminate when it comes to ethnicity....

.... I've been known to bang Arab girls like your mom and sister.... and right before they get off.... I tell them that they're getting fucked by a Jew.

You should see the look on your sister's face... it's priceless.

Israeli girls

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:59 am

Mikey wrote:
Van wrote:1865? That's when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, right?
I thought they were Mexicans.

Forget it . . . he's rolling.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:18 pm

.m2 wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:As anyone knows, Jewish girls are the absolute biggest sluts of all time..
Only you could make this sound like a bad thang.

Nice lookin' gals, M2, no question about it. But...where are the Jews? I mean, surely you don't consider a white European to be "Jewish" in anything but name, do you? That is, you're aware that these ladies are probably of no more than 6% or so of actual Semitic derivation, right? What's next, Liz Taylor as a "Jew" (she converted)? Now, as for Arabs, one thing you can bet on with your last dollar is that neither you nor any other non-Arab you might know has ever had an Arab girlfriend. You would have more luck getting into the pants of a young pretty Mormon girl (and that's basically impossible if you've ever had such an interest). The point is not the annoying superficiality of the Carrie Bradshaws out there, nor the "garlic aroma that would knock out Tacoma," as Zappa observed, but the utter artificiality that underscores the entire premise of modern day Jewishness--and of course its toxic apartheid state apparatus, etc.

These are actual Jews

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:33 pm

Hey, like, Nick man, why don't you take a hot bath, calm yourself down and then maybe when you're feeling a little better you can BLOW ME, you dig?

Listen, babe, you're going to sit there and tell ME who is and isn't Jewish? I dig your trip, man, but you and that Shrubber cat need to hip yourself to some Jewish 411...

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:54 pm

Wrong, babs. Palestinian is a nationality, not an ethnic derivation. You see, your "argument" just evaporates. The Palestinians--who are 100% Arabs--had been residing in Palestine for about 1600 years or so. The actual ethnic Jews also lived there (and throughout the rest of the Arab world) peacefully and productively. Until the white Ashkanazis rolled in and started murdering, lying, manipulating, spying, selling weapons, selling drugs, and developing nuclear and chemical weapons systems--creating an unspeakable apartheid state nightmare in short. The ethnic Jews, btw, get treated like dirt by the Ashkanazis. And as for the ZioNazis' intentions for the local Palestinians, consider the words of Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid Palestine of its Arab population.”

WW

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:00 pm

This Nick fellow, he's one sharp cookie! He knows about the dirty Jews...

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:02 pm

Van wrote:Hey, like, Nick man, why don't you take a hot bath, calm yourself down and then maybe when you're feeling a little better you can BLOW ME, you dig?

Listen, babe, you're going to sit there and tell ME who is and isn't Jewish? I dig your trip, man, but you and that Shrubber cat need to hip yourself to some Jewish 411...

Oh sure, Van, we're all big fans of Sammy and the Church of Satan

but do give us a fucking break! I mean unless you've actually got a real take. It appears you don't...

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:04 pm

DBG wrote:We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid Palestine of its Arab population.

You people are never gonna let me live that down, are you?

-smackaholic

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:08 pm

jew
Pronunciation: \ˈjü\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ju, jeu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew Yĕhūdhī, from Yĕhūdhāh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century
1 a: a member of the tribe of Judah b: israelite
2: a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century b.c. to the first century a.d.
3: a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4: one whose religion is Judaism

Nick, go away.

(Nice edit though, on the Sammy as Satan pic. I like your second pic better too.)

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:15 pm

Again, your attempt to be clever is just bullshit. Now..let me explain this to you carefully:

The reason Israel is an artificial nation is because there is no actual ethnic identity--even though this is the specific premise upon which the apartheid state laws are enforced. Anyone--Ukranian, German, Russian, Pole--Sammy Davis!--can call themselves a "Jew," and be readily accepted as such by the Israeli government--which is desperate for immigrants (low birth rate, aging population, etc). It's a total fake. As for the Palestinians, these are the actual people of that land--pure and simple. They've lived there (and forget the strict modern borders of the post Ottoman era, it's one Arab world from Morocco to Yemen) in their area known as Palestine. The Ashkanazis are not in anyway locals or indigenous, despite the fatuous claims based on the Bible. Moreover, they are cold-blooded racist murderers.

And Van, what, are you now suggesting that Israel is a religious state? That any converted Jew should therefore have the right to "come home" and live in a "settlement"? C'mon, you're cornered and wriggling in an embarrassing fashion.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:34 pm

Nick, I'm merely shooting down this ridiculous statement of yours...

I mean, surely you don't consider a white European to be "Jewish" in anything but name, do you?

All those white, Jewish Poles who went to the gas chamber for being Jewish...were Jews.

Judaism is a religion. Anyone can be Jewish, including you. In fact you probably are Jewish and your deep seeded self loathing is probably what fuels your non stop anti Israel rant...

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:29 am

Okay , Van, so it is a religion? That's what "Jewish" is? Really?

And...a "religious" state is somehow supposed to be a sane and practical premise in the twentieth century?

And..if we accept that those European Askanazis murdered by the German Nazis were "Jewish" (regardless of their actual Semitic ancestry)...than this somehow gives the Stern Gang the right to murder whole villages?

Of what fucking planet of denial are you currently sucking the oxygen?

And babs, you lock-step tool, your reasoning.. "As a sovereign nation, Israel is perfectly free to set whichever criteria for citizenship or naturalization that they see fit. is--NO SURPRISE--exactly that of Nazi Germany and South Africa. This utterly racist garbage becomes seriously fetid as the artificial apartheid state gets ready for Bibi II (end game).

Both of you guys are genuinely disgusting.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:58 pm

Yes, Nick, Judaism is a religion. It's not the only definition of what constitutes being a Jew but practicing Judaism as one's religion is one written in stone definition of being a Jew. As such, no, one does not need to be a direct descendent of the tribe of Judah in order to be a Jew.

Got a problem with that? Too bad. Take it up with Websters, or a rabbi.

Otherwise, Israel as a soverign nation has a right to defend herself. When her neighbors attack her she has a right to strike back. When people from within her own borders attack her she has a right to defend herself.

Her neighbors and her enemies are fortunate you're delusional and Israel truly isn't like Nazi Germany, otherwise Israel's neighbors would likely now be Libyans and Turks, not Egyptians and Lebanese. Every "Palestinian" would be dead or they'd be fleeing from the country.

They wouldn't still be flocking to the region, looking for work and handouts from the only country in the region willing to take them.

Israel is unique in the history of this planet in her continual tolerance of warring neighbors she could've easily destroyed. No other country has ever put up with attacks on her people from weaker enemies, both from within and from without, the way Israel has.

The United States certainly wouldn't put up with Mexicans lobbing missiles from civilian sections of TJ into San Diego. If the Mexicans kept up with such behavior the U.S. would simply include Puerto Rico as a new and official state, just to keep an even number on our flag once the U.S. rolled in and annexed Baja Mexico.

If pissed off illegal immigrant Mexicans in East L.A. began a campaign of blowing up innocent civilians in Santa Monica there'd be no more pissed off illegal immigrant Mexicans in East L.A., or anywhere else in America.

Russia? Would they take shit in Russia, from Chechnya?

Great Britain, turning their cheek to missile attacks on Manchester, via Belfast?

Think Hugo Chavez would be cool with Colombia lobbing missiles into Caracas from Bogota?

How 'bout Chairman Mao? Would he have tolerated Tibetans killing innocent Chinese in Shanghai?

See, Nick, whether or not you think Israel should exist where it exists is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the Mexicans and the Sioux weren't too happy with this new country that suddenly sprang up in their own backyard. They fought wars to prevent it and they lost those wars. The fact is, once a sovereign nation has been created and recognized by the main world governing body that sovereign nation does now exist and that sovereign nation does now have the right to defend itself from any and all enemies.

When that sovereign nation also counts among its closest allies the most powerful nations on the planet, all the better. That sovereign nation's neighbors really ought to take heed of this new reality, and adjust accordingly.

The Arab world has been unable to do so. Rather than simply accept that one tiny sliver of sand is no longer theirs alone they've twice tried to formally remove this sovereign nation, and twice they were quickly routed. Ever since then they've simply resorted to taking pot shots at Israel, in a way no defeated country has ever dared to take pot shots at her much stronger neighbor.

There is no way Israel would still be as tiny as she is, if she were ruled by just about any other head of state in world history. She would've used her superior military to expand the size of her country, to create a larger buffer zone. There is no way Israel would still allow her enemies to live within her country's borders, committing acts of war against her, if she were ruled by just about any other head of state in world history. Depending on the leader these people would've been shot, gassed or at least permanently expelled from the country. Israel's borders and her largesse would be closed to those people.

Face it, Nick. Israel's incredible restraint has no precedent. It's historically remarkable. Israel's enemies are fortunate Mvscal isn't their leader. They're fortunate I'm not Israel's leader. Had I been Israel's leader following the 1973 war I would've brow beaten the U.S. to join in or leave me alone as I cleaned out the entire region of my nation's enemies. There would be no disputed West Bank. There would be no Gaza Strip. There would be no Jewish "settlements." The entire region would now be Israel and its inhabitants would be permanent citizens or friendly foreigners. Jerusalem would be nothing but Jews, or friendly citizens of my choosing. There wouldn't be any large groups of "anti Israel" Muslims living on the continent within five hundred miles of Tel Aviv.

Literally, they could pound sand. They lost. I'm not going to allow my people to be further endangered by their mindless, reckless fanaticism.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:05 pm

88 wrote:

How ironic that the guy doing the knocking out is a Muslim...

Did that ever cross your mind?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:08 pm

Marty, I could be wrong but I think he was still Cassius Clay and a Christian at the time of that pic. In fact, he never lost a professional fight until he became a Muslim.

KYOA much?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 pm

What's a "real" Muslim?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:48 am

Van wrote:
..Otherwise, Israel as a soverign nation has a right to defend herself. When her neighbors attack her she has a right to strike back. When people from within her own borders attack her she has a right to defend herself.
What's all this "her" business? Right off the bat you're piling on all this loaded language. No surprise since you're headed for this Orwellian inversion..
Israel is unique in the history of this planet in her continual tolerance of warring neighbors she could've easily destroyed. No other country has ever put up with attacks on her people from weaker enemies, both from within and from without, the way Israel has.
Restraint? The ZioNazis kicked off their terror campaign (of gaining official nation status) by blowing up the King David Hotel! Then they preemptively started massacring entire villages. And after they gerrymandered the nascent U.N. (and got Christer Harry Truman on board) they really got busy. The list of attacks and backstabbing scandals (Levon Affair) make up the entire sixty years of its existence.

I'm pretty sure the Mexicans and the Sioux weren't too happy with this new country that suddenly sprang up in their own backyard. They fought wars to prevent it and they lost those wars.
You're right, and it was genocide for the most part.

The Arab world has been unable to do so. Rather than simply accept that one tiny sliver of sand is no longer theirs alone they've twice tried to formally remove this sovereign nation, and twice they were quickly routed. Ever since then they've simply resorted to taking pot shots at Israel, in a way no defeated country has ever dared to take pot shots at her much stronger neighbor.
This is the particularly shallow aspect of your reasoning. You see, the Arab world as you know controls a large percentage of the oil, and the resulting friction from America's support of the ZioNazi apartheid state has caused tremendous geo-political unrest--as well as the very rise of the Fundamentalist Islamic terrorists themselves.

There is no way Israel would still be as tiny as she is, if she were ruled by just about any other head of state in world history.

What is this reductive bullshit? Is this really how you think? Look, Israel knows every day that it only survives because it continues to control the U.S. media and government. And this is a very shameful state of affairs. As for Israel's "superior" military, this only the free weaponry our tax dollars have provided. Why do you afford this fake bandit state such respect? All they've ever done militarily is sneak attacks and massacres of huddled and starved populations.

]Face it, Nick. Israel's incredible restraint has no precedent. It's historically remarkable. Israel's enemies are fortunate Mvscal isn't their leader. They're fortunate I'm not Israel's leader. Had I been Israel's leader following the 1973 war I would've brow beaten the U.S. to join in or leave me alone as I cleaned out the entire region of my nation's enemies. There would be no disputed West Bank. There would be no Gaza Strip. There would be no Jewish "settlements." The entire region would now be Israel and its inhabitants would be permanent citizens or friendly foreigners. Jerusalem would be nothing but Jews, or friendly citizens of my choosing. There wouldn't be any large groups of "anti Israel" Muslims living on the continent within five hundred miles of Tel Aviv.

Well at least you finally put your cards on the table: you're a flat out ZioNazi yourself. Look at your toxic bigotry that props up your "reasoning." No wonder it's all inverted and nervously adhering to these time-worn cliches and jargon. What you've got to wake up to is the simple fact that within Israel itself (forget the occupied West bank and so on) there will be a solid Arab majority within ten years. You see, it's been a totally impossible situation from its criminal inception in 1948. And as the demographic reality looms..day by day, so too does the possibility--probability, really--of some outright genocidal action by the desperate ZioNazis. Though the recent "restraint" in attacking the Gaza Strip was almost to that point already. That you and other crypto-Nazis welcome this barbarity is disgusting.

Time's UP!

WW

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:55 am

Nah. Time's hardly up. Israel's neighbors are still taking potshots. When they're no longer able to, hey, that's when you'll know time's up.

You might even go visit the place then, in peace.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:18 am

Look, the Arabs aren't smart enough to keep up with the Jews.

It's that simple.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 pm

One more time, in bold type so perhaps you won't pack it into your serious blind spot:

Within ten years there will be a solid Arab majority population within the state of Israel itself. This does NOT include the occupied West Bank, etc.

This is what's going on. This is the future. Now, as you well know the South African Boers were also a minority within their 1948 (perfectly legitimate!) apartheid state experiment. And...as you well know, the ruthless measures required to maintain a subjugated majority population proved politically, morally, and practically untenable. They had to revise their utterly racist laws and political system.

Now...why do you think it's so different in the case of this apartheid state experiment? Really!

Obviously there will be no military attempt to conquer Israel. But so what? Its median age is higher than that of Japan's. It's basically a Russian retirement zone.

It's time to scour off these foul notions of a Divine Mandate for a race state. It's obviously a nineteenth-century type idea in the first place--back when it was apparently acceptable to march into a foreign land and just colonize it--taking all the resources and using the locals as slave labor. You know, like the French in Vietnam, or the British in Kenya, etc. Israel is a totally artificial holdover from the colonial era--with a bizarre and odious religious twist. So what? It's obviously been a complete disaster--and it's only getting worse. Do you really even have an argument?

WW

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:41 pm

So, what you're looking forward to is a time when Israel's disenfranchised achieve the same wonderful quality of life currently enjoyed by black S. Africans?

Why do you hate Arabs?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:13 pm

Do you suppose the former subjects of the apartheid system in South Africa would want to go back? How about the Vietnamese? How about the Algerians? How about the Chinese?

That's all you've got to address the plain facts of the matter? A silly little dodge? That's it? Oh sure, you've got your true Belief in the Zionist enterprise. But of course you can't bring yourself to actually express that--because it's too embarrassing no doubt.

For my part, my opposition to the ZioNazi monstrosity has nothing whatever to do with a love--or even a like--of the Arab culture, or the Islamic faith. Nor do I harbor any hatred--or even dislike--for the Jews, converted or not. I certainly don't like--any neither should you--the various manipulations and schemes rendered by various Jews on behalf of the ZioNazi state. But at least I 'm really dealing with it, unlike the lock-step tunnel-vision head space revealed in your cliche-ridden "defense" of "her sovereignty, etc."

Most noticeably, you maintain some sort of robust ignorance concerning the demographic realities of the situation. Good luck with that. :wink:

ww

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:16 pm

So, okay, you're happy with how S. Africa's blacks are doing now, now that they're self "governing." You're also thrilled with the notion of "Palestinians" doing well on their own.

You know, just so we're clear and all.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:58 pm

Again you're nervously dodging. I never said I like the current state of South Africa--or New York for that matter. But that's never been the issue at all.

Do you suppose the people of South Africa would want apartheid back? Do you suppose the Palestinians wouldn't like the ZioNazi apparatus removed? Think the Chinese want the Brits back (importing tons of opium to essentially date rape the entire country! :doh: )?

consider a few basic facts (there's a LOT more not covered in this lil' vid)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=061_1185614099

Do you really believe any of the ludicrous inversions of reality you're offering (in very tiny slivers! You don't DARE actually think through and mount an argument, we notice. Just like babs, the Rove Monkey)?

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:53 am

I never said I like the current state of South Africa--or New York for that matter.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:28 am

There you go again, mvscal, supposing your values and beliefs on others.

How in the fuck do YOU know that blacks in S. Africa don't actually prefer a machete to the temple over a little racial profiling? Maybe they have a higher tolerance for pain than you do, didja ever consider that, you soft fucking American? Maybe they get sick of having to deal with too many mouths to feed and they've actually come to appreciate the benefits of a society that kills, errr, alleviates them of so many burdens??

Why you always gotta be this way, dude??

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:44 am

I'll bet those fukkers would really appreciate a loose pair of shoes and a warm place to shit, right about now.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:50 pm

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:I never said I like the current state of South Africa
Well, by all means feel free to offer your comments on the current state of affairs in South Africa. How is that post-apartheid lovefest working out for them? Certainly all their problems were solved, right?

Do you suppose the people of South Africa would want apartheid back?

It is inarguable that they would be more prosperous and more secure....even the blecks.

Well at least you're appropriately viewing the South African blacks and the Palestinians as subjugated populations of respective apartheid state regimes. Your question of course is a no-brainer: OF COURSE they're better off without the fascist police state abusing and humiliating them every day. Certainly other problems arisen--crime, etc. Of course. But...they sure don't want to go back. As for the white South Africans, those who chose to stay are quite happy that South Africa is now a welcome member of the world community. It's actually VERY good for business. Of course the diamond consortium (nice Irish boys) never even noticed--but they're doing well too. As for the Palestinians, well gee babs, what do you think? Would they like the ZioNazi state apparatus removed? I think that's an unequivocal "yes." And guess what? Despite the well armed (politically and militarily) core of hardliners in Israel, a sizable degree of the population see clearly what's happened to their cherished dream state: a bunkered, paranoid, brutal apartheid state--which will within ten years have a solid Arab majority. Uh oh! :cry: Yeah, they really do see the truth, unlike the literally insane ZioChrister legion in this country, etc.

I don't like the fact of Cape Town being a dangerous gangland any more than you. And similarly, I really don't like the Hamas-style social model of Islamic gangland with health clinics and soup kitchens in Palestine. But the obvious fact of the moral, political, and sheer practical impossibility of the ZioNazi apparatus (just like South Africa's) is clear and present.

WW

barack is GOD · Post by **barack is GOD** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:12 am

mvscal loves Barack! He kneels before the Great Obama!

Barack will end these wars and will rectify the economy! You must be patient and believe!!