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Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:41 pm

Terry wrote:In fairness, if one were to take m2oodles' word at face value, he was the subject of an intense recruiting war between UCLA and its little brother.

Huh?? How does one go from being intensely recruited by Cal and UCLA to never playing college football anywhere at all?

Back in the early to mid '80s UCLA was good too. They weren't offering up TB schollies to undersized white kids. Neither was Cal, even despite the early '80s being another one of Cal's horrible eras, under Joe Kapp.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:29 pm

Van, the guys you may be speaking of basketball wise were: Joe Carrabino who was about 6'8" and could shoot the lights out from 20+ feet. My senior year we had a guy naked Chris Nickevich who was one of the best point guards I've ever seen. Dude had handles for a white guy that were amazing. He went to BYU then transferred to LMU. The other guy we had that year was Pat Yerina. About 6'2" and could shoot too. Went to Fairfield in Conn.

We weren't in Tarzana, we were technically in Encino. Yeah, a catholic school in a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
I never yelled porch monkey at him...maybe some other stuff....but.....
Oh and you guys were the picture of racial tolerance......

We had about 5 black kids in the school and a few guy of the jewish faith.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:36 pm

Van wrote:
Terry wrote:In fairness, if one were to take m2oodles' word at face value, he was the subject of an intense recruiting war between UCLA and its little brother.
Huh?? How does one go from being intensely recruited by Cal and UCLA to never playing college football anywhere at all?

IIRC, he claims he went to Cal for a semester, maybe he claims to have played on their team for that semester.

In any event, that's m2oodles' story, and he's apparently sticking to it. Notice the qualifying phrase I used at the beginning of the sentence, though. I make no representations as to whether he's telling the truth.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:38 pm

Laxplayer wrote:My senior year we had a guy naked Chris Nickevich who was one of the best point guards I've ever seen. Dude had handles for a white guy that were amazing.

Fuck, man. TMI. Hasn't anyone learned anything from me?

Seriously. Amazing how one damn letter can change the whole way that reads.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:41 pm

Terry, as far as the coaching, teaching thing goes I know at our school and many other schools head coaches are given a limited amount of stipends. I am a head coach at our school. I have one stipend for myself and one for an asst. coach. My asst. golf coach is a walk on and I am a full time paid teacher that makes more than Schmick's 50 grand a year. There is a pay scale that teachers are on so beginning teachers with fewer post graduate units make a lot less than someone like me who is been around for 20+ years and has a ton of post graduate units. Our girls basketball, baseball, girls soccer coach, volley ball coach are all walk on coaches. So that's what I know......

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:52 pm

Lax, yep, Joe Carrabino, that was the guy.

Totally Polish, huh!

For some reason I had Paul Mokeski on the brain but Carrabino was definitely the guy. The big galoot could shoot.

We had almost no blacks but we had tons of Jews, which I thought strange, considering we were a Catholic school. In fact the single best teacher I ever had there was a crazy Jewish guy with a huge 'fro, a big Fu-Manchu and his usual dorky ass plaid plants. He looked like Tom Shultz, circa 1976. He taught History and he and this other History teacher used to give me all sorts of shit about USC football. In '79 USC went undefeated but they tied one game and when this teacher returned a test paper of mine the fucker actually wrote the score of the game along with a big smiley face on top of the paper, in big red ink.

Funny guy.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:57 pm

mvscal wrote:
Blueblood wrote:I was the starting tailback on the 2nd ranked team in the State of California (Cal-Hi Sports) from my soph- senior year.

No, you weren't.

Beaner,

Look up who won the North Coast Sectional those two years... and check the box scores and see if it matches up, then get back to me.

As far as Terra Linda being the second ranked team in California.... that can be easily looked up.

One of our rivals in the playoffs back in the day...."Cardinal Newman" had held the California state record for most wins in a row at 47 a few years prior.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:58 pm

Mokeski was a Crespi grad but he was way before us.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:01 pm

Lax, it's all starting to get a little fuzzy...

At least I remembered Paul Mokeski though! Carrabino was the best guy I ever saw play for Crespi, in any sport.

So, is Mokeski Crespi's all time "biggest name" alumni?

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:05 pm

Blueblood wrote:
Van wrote:<-------Also Class Of '82. Man, there are a lot of people here who are the same age. You, me, socalvansmack, Terry...
.... and "the truth".

Terra Linda High School.

I was the starting tailback on the 2nd ranked team in the State of California (Cal-Hi Sports) from my soph- senior year.

Senior year we sucked... but, as a soph. we played at the College of the Redwoods in Eureka for the North Coast Sectional Championship ... and we played El Molino in Santa Rosa for the North Coast Sectional Championship in my junior year.

Each of the years we played for the "North Coast" sectional Championship... we were the 2nd ranked team in the state.

As a Junior... we played the top ranked defense in the State of California (El Molino) and I rushed for 99 yards on 21 carries and we won 7-6.

The first play of the game... was a draw play and I was hit the hardest I've ever been hit and lost 4 yards.

I remember telling the linemen in the huddle after that play.... that's not gonna happen again... now is it!!!

The 99 yards was the lowest I was held to that season... but, felt blessed to get that much against that D.

if YOU were the starting tailback on the 2nd ranked team in the state that says A LOT about California high schoool football

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:14 pm

The titlover, and the beaner.... in the College Football forum.

Must be a slow day on the main board.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:30 pm

m2, without knowing your name how would looking up old box scores be of any help in verifying your story?

Besides, you're trying to convince people. That means it's on you to provide the evidence. Hints, riddles and oblique references aren't evidence.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:32 pm

mvscal wrote:It's OK. I really don't mind popping in every once in awhile to drop a deuce on your pathetic fabrications.

I've given you some homework.

Now get to it.

It's always fun seeing pie on a beaner's face.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:34 pm

m2, this isn't a classroom. Nobody wants homework. It's on you to provide the proofs. It's not on us to look up shit for you.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:35 pm

Van wrote:m2, without knowing your name how would looking up old box scores be of any help in verifying your story?

Besides, you're trying to convince people. That means it's on you to provide the evidence. Hints, riddles and oblique references aren't evidence.

Oh, I don't know.

99 yards on 21 carries in the North Coast Sectional Championship game against El Molino 7-6..... might be a good start.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:36 pm

How are we to know that guy is YOU?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:41 pm

Besides, the more I hear this, the less I believe any of it...

Even in Al Bundy's world merely winning 7-6 against some school called El Molino in something called the North Coast Sectional Championship Game doesn't make anybody the #2 team in California.

Again, a three year starter at TB for the #2 team in California would be a serious badass, he'd almost certainly be black and he absolutely would've ended up playing major college ball.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:42 pm

Van wrote:How are we to know that guy is YOU?

Who in the fuck would have this obscure information other than the person involved ?

I also gave you the place we played the year before "College of the Redwoods"... for the North Coast Sectional Championship game.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:43 pm

Van wrote:Again, a three year starter at TB for the #2 team in California would be a serious badass, he'd almost certainly be black and he absolutely would've ended up playing major college ball.

Oh, you haven't heard? M2 was offered a scholarship to UCLA, IIRC, but an injury ended his playing days.

But of course!

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:45 pm

Who cares? We have no way of knowing you played for them and none of this adds up anyway. Some rinky dink team from the North Coast section is never the #2 team in California and any kid who started at TB for three years for our #2 team would play major college ball....

...and we'd all know who he is.

No one knows who you are so even if you provide us proof of this team and this guy (which you won't) we still won't know you're that guy.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:48 pm

Van wrote:
Again, a three year starter at TB for the #2 team in California would be a serious badass,

I was.

Van wrote: he'd almost certainly be black and he absolutely would've ended up playing major college ball.

Huh?

You're a funny guy Vannie.

A friend of mine who I use to work out with... and was a year younger played on San Marin a rival school in Novato.

You may have heard of him... "Brad Muster".

He played at Stanfurd (mistake) and played for the Chicago Bears as a running back.

Oh yeah, he was white the last I checked.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:52 pm

m2 wrote:Who in the fuck would have this obscure information other than the person involved ?

As opposed to, what, claiming you're Lance Briggs, ie, someone we could easily verify?

Of course you're claiming to be someone obscure. We can't verify someone so obscure.

The problem there is such a guy wouldn't be obscure. A big time back for a big time program, which a three year starting TB for the #2 program in Cali most certainly would be, would NOT be an obscure player on an obscure team.

He'd be very well known and his name and his stats and his team would all be very well known. He also would've been big recruiting news and he would've landed on the roster of a major college football program.

None of this adds up.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:00 pm

Van wrote:
m2 wrote:
He'd be very well known and his name and his stats and his team would all be very well known. He also would've been big recruiting news and he would've landed on the roster of a major college football program.

None of this adds up.

Vannie, you do realize this was 1980 and 81... don't you ???

Psst... the internet wasn't widely used back then.

There were 3 different teams that were ranked #2 depending on school size. We didn't have state championship games back then, you bozo.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:07 am

m2, Brad Muster was a very big boy. He also wasn't what you claim to be. Had you been what you claim to be you would've garnered a helluva lot more publicity than Muster received coming out of high school; more than you ever received.

Sam McGuffie, you weren't. Sam McGuffie is what you would've been, had you actually been a three year starting WHITE TB at California's #2 rated football program. Even in 1982 a star white TB at a monster California program would've been huge news. Everyone would know who you are.

Then again, hey, you've never said who you are so nobody could ever verify or refute any of your story anyway.

Pretty convenient.

Btw...

There were 3 different teams that were ranked #2 depending on school size.

... would be pretty pertinent. Like I said, no rinky dink school in the "Northern Coastal League" was ever going to be the #2 ranked football team in all of California. At best they might've been the #2 ranked team of some tiny subsection. No way in hell you guys were competing with the big boys and no way a guy like you would've been starting as a TB for three years on those types of teams.

Okay, now that I might believe.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:04 am

Laxplayer wrote:Van when I was at Crespi and coaching there we killed ND every year. There was about a 10 year period when their head coach was a fucking idiot and the program went to shit. They're back now but things are weird. They've allowed some very questionable kids into the school. I'm sure they're not the college prep kids we were going to school with. They've sold themselves to the devil for football success and they've had it recently. They dropped down divisions and won two championships, then recently moved back into what's called the Pac-5 division with the likes of Long Beach Poly, Mater Dei, Servite etc....it's no longer the old league we remember. It's a 4 team league with Crespi, ND, Loyola, and Amat.

I saw where they were putting Oaks Christian and some other thumper school up that way in to a league with a few other private schools that have essentially no athletic programs of note. why dont they put Oaks Christian in that league with Crespi, ND, Loyola and Bishop Amat? or does that make too much sense for the CIF?

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:13 am

Van wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Blueblood wrote:I was the starting tailback on the 2nd ranked team in the State of California (Cal-Hi Sports) from my soph- senior year.

No, you weren't.
I gotta say, I don't recall any Terra Linda being the second ranked team in all of California.

Carson? Colton? LB Poly? San Fernando? Mater Dei? Servite? De La Salle? Canyon Country?

I seem to recall these names as being the big time programs back in the late '70s and early '80s. I don't recall any teams playing for the "North Coast" championship being ranked higher than the monster programs from SoCal.

Lax? Does this sound right to you, this Terra Linda school from up north being ranked higher than all but one school in the state?

Never mind the extremely hard to imagine concept of the second ranked school in California having as their three year starting TB a skinny white kid who wasn't offered by any major college programs...

I dont remember Colton ever being that good back then, the good teams in the 80s from out in that area were Fontana who won or played for the CIF SS D1 title it seemed every year from 85-90, Rubidoux where the Knight boys all went to school, Riverside Poly who won a few titles in the mid 80's, Eisenhower, San Gorgonio, Norco and Canyon Springs.
De La Salle didnt start their run of good teams until the 90's they were pretty bad in the 80's. Elk Grove was the power it seemed every year up in Nor Cal

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:27 am

Blueblood wrote:Who in the fuck would have this obscure information other than the person involved ?

Anyone with a fucking yearbook.

My brother was on the 1992 Brazoswood High School 5A baseball team who won state in Texas. They did so by throwing no-hitters in both state championship games. My bro was on the All-State tourney team. First game was a complaete game no hitter by Mark Senterfitt. Second game was started by Justin Bowles and completed by Senterfitt. Senterfitt pitched for Texas. Bowles went to play for Galveston where he won the 1AA baseball championship his first two years. He then transferred to LSU where he won the CWS (when Warren Morris jacked the GWHR). Ended up going to play in the Oakland A's farm system for years.

Of course, I could spout off many more stats from this team. They are in my yearbook. I could even play it off as if I was part of this team. Other than being the brother of the center fielder, I got nothing.

But hey, at least I'm not trying to pass myself off as someone in my yearbook as me.

And hey, at least you're not AP.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:55 am

SoCalTrjan, I'm trying to remember the name of Carson's big rival. I thought it might be Colton but I guess not. Carson and this other school were located really close to each other (somewhere by Long Beach, IIRC) and back when I was down there Carson and this other team used to duke it out all the time for local supremacy...

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:01 am

I saw where they were putting Oaks Christian and some other thumper school up that way in to a league with a few other private schools that have essentially no athletic programs of note. why dont they put Oaks Christian in that league with Crespi, ND, Loyola and Bishop Amat? or does that make too much sense for the CIF?

Makes too much sense for those fucking idiots. What they should do is put Oaks, St. Bonnie, Crespi, ND, Amat, and Loyola in the same league. Putting them in with Santa Clara and some directional christian school makes no fucking sense, but then again, it's the CIF. Biggest bunch of hypocritical asshats in the world.

SoCalTrjan, I'm trying to remember the name of Carson's big rival. I thought it might be Colton but I guess not. Carson and this other school were located really close to each other (somewhere by Long Beach, IIRC) and back when I was down there Carson and this other team used to duke it out all the time for local supremacy...

Van, that would be Banning. Some epic rival games back in the 70's and 80's.

I dont remember Colton ever being that good back then, the good teams in the 80s from out in that area were Fontana who won or played for the CIF SS D1 title it seemed every year from 85-90, Rubidoux where the Knight boys all went to school, Riverside Poly who won a few titles in the mid 80's, Eisenhower, San Gorgonio, Norco and Canyon Springs.

Colton had a short run of good teams during the late 80's. They had this huge ass running back named George Hemmingway who went to Colorado. True story....I'm at a coaching clinic in Anaheim with all kinds of big names and we're in the hotel bar talking with the colton coaches and they said that this genius Hemmingway scored a 420 on the SAT. Well back then they gave you 400 for getting your god damned name right and this fucking genius scored a 420.....and ended up at Colorado.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:04 am

Van wrote:SoCalTrjan, I'm trying to remember the name of Carson's big rival. I thought it might be Colton but I guess not. Carson and this other school were located really close to each other (somewhere by Long Beach, IIRC) and back when I was down there Carson and this other team used to duke it out all the time for local supremacy...

Banning or Susan Dorsey were Carsons rivals when I was in High school.... which was much later than you old timers

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:07 am

Banning, that was it. Banning vs Carson.

Thanks, Lax.

Those are the teams I'm talking about, teams like Banning and LB Poly and Canyon Country and Mater Dei. m2's team was never close to those teams in the late '70s and early '80's. No way his team was #2 in the state, not over those teams. Back then any three year starter at TB for Banning was flat out going to USC or some other major program.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:20 am

Laxplayer wrote:
I saw where they were putting Oaks Christian and some other thumper school up that way in to a league with a few other private schools that have essentially no athletic programs of note. why dont they put Oaks Christian in that league with Crespi, ND, Loyola and Bishop Amat? or does that make too much sense for the CIF?
Makes too much sense for those fucking idiots. What they should do is put Oaks, St. Bonnie, Crespi, ND, Amat, and Loyola in the same league. Putting them in with Santa Clara and some directional christian school makes no fucking sense, but then again, it's the CIF. Biggest bunch of hypocritical asshats in the world.

thats it, bonnie, I couldnt remember the other strong school of the group. I know it was like some stink that the public schools were raising because they were getting stomped by the two private school football factories.
I have seen in other states where the private schools only compete with other private schools for titles and not vs the public schools, i wonder how far off So Cal is with the CIF. My wife has alread said that our boys, who are in 6th and 7th grade now, will go to O Lu for High School instead of Tesoro

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:32 am

Those are the teams I'm talking about, teams like Banning and LB Poly and Canyon Country and Mater Dei. m2's team was never close to those teams in the late '70s and early '80's. No way his team was #2 in the state, not over those teams. Back then any three year starter at TB for Banning was flat out going to USC or some other major program.

It's funny because in 1986 our Crespi team was ranked #1 in the nation at the end of the year and Carson was a fucking juggernaut also with a ton of college talent that escapes me right now because I've had about 6 martinis. Canyon had a few years when they won 46 in a row and just kicked everyone's ass. Loyola was also loaded with Dick Butkus's son, Matt who went to SC.

thats it, bonnie, I couldnt remember the other strong school of the group. I know it was like some stink that the public schools were raising because they were getting stomped by the two private school football factories.
I have seen in other states where the private schools only compete with other private schools for titles and not vs the public schools, i wonder how far off So Cal is with the CIF. My wife has alread said that our boys, who are in 6th and 7th grade now, will go to O Lu for High School instead of Tesoro

The funny thing is that Hart beat St. Bonnie a couple of years ago. Granted St. Bonnie and the other privates have distinct advantages over the publics every once in a while the publics jump up and get a win vs. the mighty privates. Oaks needs to be put in a division with schools other than the blind nuns, crippled childrens etc....I am all for the publics and privates being separate, and the guys in our league have refused to schedule the privates over the next few years because one of the privates (Alemany) is drawing kids from our valley and the coaches don't like it. The funny thing is that the head coach of this school and the DC are brothers of the head coach of one of the public programs in our valley, and the guy that's the DC is a teacher at the public, but he's making like 20K to just to be the DC at this private school. Go fucking figure......

I would also like someone to take note that I'm having a civil conversation with two fucking $C fans.....God Damn, what the fuck is this world coming to......??????

Oh BTW, I hate you guys...... :D

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:36 am

Lax, Crespi was ranked #1 in the nation, in football?? Really? Tiny ass lilly white Crespi?? How?? Who in the hell was on that team??

Btw, you never did answer my question as to who is Crespi's all time "biggest name" alum?

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:46 am

SoCalTrjn wrote: De La Salle didnt start their run of good teams until the 90's they were pretty bad in the 80's. Elk Grove was the power it seemed every year up in Nor Cal

Huh ?

DLS was just fine in the 80's. They just weren't as big a school as we were when I played and we would have smoked them.

Ummmm.... Elk Grove wasn't even on the map.

As I mentioned earlier... Cardinal Newman held the California State record for wins in a row at 47 back in the day.... and was our rival.

Since I've been going off memory and not a yearbook like Indyfellatcio has been saying... The years were 79' and 80' when we were the 2nd ranked team in the State. I graduated in 82' and made the mistake that that was the final year I played.... not remembering that the football season ended in 81' of my final year.

Oh yeah, I mistakenly gave El Molino 6 points... when they actually didn't score shit on our D. Of course if I was making it up and going yearbook I wouldn't have made these small errors.

I also said there were 3 divisions .... when there were actually 5. Our division was the largest in the State of California and was called 3A. Hence, the reason I thought there were just 3.

This was along time ago... and the memory grabs what it grabs.

Here's the links:

http://www.cifncs.org/sports/football/f ... esults.htm

and they 1980 game....

http://www.cifncs.org/sports/football/f ... 201979.pdf

EDIT:oppps... that was the 79' game in Eureka near the Oregon border.

Here's 1980

http://www.cifncs.org/sports/football/f ... 201980.pdf

There ya go, Vannie.

I did the research for ya.

Blueblood

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:47 am

Russell White was a stud at Crespi in the late 80's, wound up at cal after failing to score 700 on his sat

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:48 am

Yes #1 in the nation. Russell White was a sophomore when we beat St. John Bosco 49-14 in the Big 5 Championship game at the Big A. We had about 10 guys on that team go onto college. Russell went to Cal, Sean Howard was a USA All American who played at UCLA but had shoulder problems, John Carpenter, JJ Lasley both went to Stanford, Rob O'Byrne went to UCLA as a walk on QB, Steve Puryer walked on at ASU, and a bunch of other guys went to schools like S.L.O. Davis etc......
Crespi's biggest alum.....Randy Cross won a few super bowls with the 49ers. Christian Fauria ( who I coached) had a very long NFL career, obviously Russell White, Rick Dempsy won a world series MVP, Jeff Suppan (whose sister I went to college with and tried to nail) and is a pitcher in MLB, Gregin PG, Lax.....not our real names but are pretty famous alums......

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:53 am

Blueblood wrote:Since I've been going off memory and not a yearbook like Indyfellatcio has been saying...

Heh...you're 46-47 and making shit up on a message board to get bode.

And I wasn't going by a yearbook. I remember it because I was actually there and watching all of it as it was my brother who was playing. I'm just not passing it off as "my story".

Just logoff. And don't log back on, Moving Troll.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:59 am

Great, m2. You provided a link that shows Terra Linda won two minor league championships, against a bunch of small schools. According to that link they were in a lower level division than De Le Salle.

You didn't show anything that said Terra Linda were ranked #2 in the state, even among those small schools, much less #2 in the state overall. You also didn't show anything that places you anywhere near those games. You would've been a freshman in the year Terra Linda won that first Pip Squeak League title, so you weren't a part of that team. You were a sophomore for their second title and Terra Linda apparently did nothing beyond your sophomore season.

They also didn't beat the big boys of NoCal; nevermind the big boys of SoCal, who truly were the big boys of California football back during that era.

So, if I post a link of Verbum Dei's basketball titles can I say I was a three year star center for them, and Dean Smith was fighting tooth and nail with John Thompson for my services?

Lax, okay, yep, I definitely remember Rick Dempsey and Randy Cross as being from Crespi, as well as that douche Russell White. Cal kicked USC's ass during his time at Cal so I really hated that guy.

Never knew he scored a 700 on his SAT and that's how he end ended up at Cal.

:?

Funny story, even if it's not true.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:00 am

was the big 5 title game like the ss d1 game? my junior year, 1986, We went to the Anaheim big game and watched that Fontana school just rip apart some other team.