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War Wagon wrote:
mvscal wrote: And look what happened to them when they couldn't or didn't enforce their "immigration laws"
So, you're suggesting that Hispanics are going to do the same thing to America that the Europeans did?

I AM!!!!!!!


WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO TEXAS, ARIZONA, NEW MEXICO, CALIFORNIA ETC..ETC..WHEN IT'S 99 PERCENT HISPANIC? DO YOU THINK THEY'LL STILL BE LEARNING ENGLISH AND EMBRACING AMERICAN CULTURE?

NO! IT WILL PART OF MEXICO FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY "GENERAL ANTONIO LOPEZ DE SANTA ANNA"
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Van wrote:The locals at the time didn't have a series of immigration laws which the Pilgrims were breaking by being there.
Of course they did.
unless i'm completely wrong the pilgrims weren't the only ones to war with the injuns....didn't the frogs have a few skirmishes with them?
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A simple question regarding the people who would be negatively impacted by the above. Where would they go and what would they do? Desperate people do desperate things. If you think most of them are going to go "ah shucks, I better work harder and/or go back to Mexico" you are naive. Who is going to make sure these people don't commit more crimes and/or fuck up the environment with make-shift slums like in India or Brazil?
Sure there will be upset and desperate people. At first. People always get upset when the status quo changes. But over time that changes and people react to the new ways. If we strictly enforce our borders and laws people will get the message and will change. Sure they will kick and scream at first, but when that falls on deaf ears, they will have to change.

I also agree that we will spend more on deportation and prisons at first. That is offset by the fewer payments to illegals and the non-working. After time it slows and we are ahead. Further, rather than deporting people just across the border I would suggest we deport them to the furthest point from our border. That would mean Mexicans would be flown to Chajul in Mexico on the border of Guatemala. Chinese would be flown to Uureg in upper Mongolia along the Russian border. Etc, etc. This would make it much harder for these people to return ASAP. They are going to have to spend time and money to travel across the remote areas of their country before they break the law and attempt to come back.

I would also suggest a period of jail time for these illegals. If they are truely looking for the cash under the table 6 months to a year in prison should be a huge price to pay before deportation.
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Van wrote:The locals at the time didn't have a series of immigration laws which the Pilgrims were breaking by being there.
Of course they did.
And look what happened to them when they couldn't or didn't enforce their "immigration laws"
You're suggesting a smallpox epidemic will wipe us out?
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Funny and as the bard said .... 'Jesters do oft prove prophets,'

That is a concern.
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Bsmack, go visit an L.A. high school infested with the children of illegals sometime. Enjoy a glimpse of your country's future.

A plague of smallpox might not be such a bad thing.
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Van wrote:Bsmack, go visit an L.A. high school infested with the children of illegals sometime. Enjoy a glimpse of your country's future.
Same thing was said about the Irish over a century ago.

You know, the Irish? The original substance-abusing, baby-daddy, no-job-having, strange-religion-worshiping criminal set?

My, how times change.
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Martyred wrote: Same thing was said about the Irish over a century ago.
Who said they stopped saying that ?
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mvscal wrote:The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.
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Hardly the same thing. The Irish weren't here illegally. They weren't using up limited school resources, illegally. Irish parents weren't using schools as babysitting facilities while they stole from the country providing daycare for their kids. Irish kids went to school to learn and they were made to follow the rules of the school. Irish kids didn't cripple schools by completely overruning them with destructive, unreceptive kids.

Most importantly though, again, Irish kids and their parents weren't here illegally. They were held accountable.
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mvscal wrote: The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.
What the Church didn't dole out to them, they stole.

Apple carts with "spinners" and guys named Seamus with strong "pimp hands" out front should have told you that.
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mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Break it down, fuckwads.
They help keep wages (and inflation) artficially low, thus enabling politicians & bureaucrats to take shitloads more money out of the private sector and buy votes while blaming the eventual shitpile on somebody else.

Works pretty damn well for them
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They do the jobs Americans won't or can't do for less money. Culturally the - cue Reggie White - latino community is more family oriented and pools resources, plus, working "illegally" allows them bypass paying some taxes.

This helps the upper middle class and rich spend less on things such as home renovations. Further it allows growers to keep cost down for a plethora of agricultural goods.

The lower middle class starts to wane, gets disgruntled and disenfranchised and broke. They look to the government for help. The government steps in and promises to help. Rhetoric is spewed, programs created, backs are slapped and - the lower middle class and poor stay that way.

The upper middle class is a Darwinistic proposition. Some survive and make it rich, others, get poor.

The destruction of the middle class is probably one of the most key ingredients to establishing a socialist regime. The destruction of the middle class - where Marxist Saul Alinsky saw the true core power of America, has been succeeding and it will succeed.

So to the crowd, potentially the "New World Order" crowd, allowing millions of unskilled, uneducated, folks to stroll across the border is a good idea.
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mvscal wrote:
Martyred wrote:
mvscal wrote: The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.
What the Church didn't dole out to them, they stole.

Apple carts with "spinners" and guys named Seamus with strong "pimp hands" out front should have told you that.
Yes, I understand that 95% of all Irish were (and are) n...iggers. Is that supposed to be a selling point?
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mvscal wrote: Now dead in the water, business leaving in droves, revenue plummeting, unemployment skyrocketing.

Yep, we could really use a couple million more ignorant pepper bellies to hang out in front Home Depots and rape passing school kids.
It's Bush's fault, so there's still no downside for the DemocRats in state government
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rack marty

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But that's Bill the Butcher, NOT an Irishman.
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He's South-American Irish
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Cuda wrote:He's South-American Irish
I was referring to Marty's cartoons.
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mvscal wrote:
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mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Break it down, fuckwads.
They help keep wages (and inflation) artficially low, thus enabling politicians & bureaucrats to take shitloads more money out of the private sector and buy votes while blaming the eventual shitpile on somebody else.

Works pretty damn well for them
We call it California. Formerly one of the economic engines of the United States. Now dead in the water, business leaving in droves, revenue plummeting, unemployment skyrocketing.

Yep, we could really use a couple million more ignorant pepper bellies to hang out in front Home Depots and rape passing school kids.
Here's what Calfornia needs.

MORE HOUSES!!

Save the rest of the country from their own greenhouse gases by having them all move here. That would work out well.
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By putting up barriers to new development in the state, environmentalists push homes to areas that are far less environmentally friendly.
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California environmentalists are tireless in their efforts to stop new development. But for the good of the planet, maybe they should lighten up. Indeed, the best thing that environmentalists can do to fight global warming is to encourage new construction in the state, especially in the areas with the most temperate climates.

California's metropolitan areas are, by far, the greenest in the country. Matthew Kahn, an environmental economist at UCLA, and I have estimated the carbon emissions associated with a new household in different parts of the country. Our estimates hold constant family size and income, and include driving emissions, public transport, home heating and electricity. We've found that the four greenest metropolitan areas in the United States are San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego and Los Angeles.

Why is California so green? The use of clean energy and efficient appliances deserves some credit, but the biggest factor is climate.

The state's weather is just better than that of the rest of the United States. As I write these words, my New England home is emitting an awful lot of carbon just to get itself to 60 degrees. An average Boston home emits more than twice as much carbon, because of home heating, as a home in San Jose.

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.

Much of America struggles with cold winters and hot summers. Making such difficult climates comfortable for humans requires a lot of energy. By contrast, much of coastal California is pretty pleasant year-round, requiring far less energy. The natural implication is that to reduce carbon emissions, more Americans should live in temperate California.

But just as global warming has strengthened the case for California's expansion, the state's rate of growth is faltering. After sustaining a double-digit growth rate for much of the mid-20th century, California's population grew just 7.9% from 2000 through 2007, only slightly more than the growth rate of the country as a whole.

The reduction in California's growth rate does not reflect economic decline -- the state still has enormous wealth. It does not reflect a lack of demand for California's amenities. Even after the housing bust, the state's home prices remain among the highest in the world. And although California is a populous state, it still has plenty of land. Santa Clara County, the home of Silicon Valley, only has about 2.2 people per acre. Even in denser places, such as Los Angeles, there is plenty of room to build.

California's growth has slowed because the state has made it increasingly difficult to build new homes. There is an almost perfect correlation between the growth of an area and the amount of housing that is permitted in that area. California has some of the toughest land-use regulations in the country, which are often justified as environmental measures. When high housing demand is met with restrictions -- not construction -- California homes become unaffordable and new construction goes somewhere else.

Local anti-growth activists don't have the ability to stop new construction in the U.S. as a whole. After all, households continue to form, and they need to go somewhere. When California won't build, people go to less-restrictive places, such as Atlanta, Houston or Phoenix, which happily erect new housing. The pro-development policies in these places promote affordability, but they do so at an environmental cost. Carbon emissions are much higher in these growing areas than they are in California.

The environmental opponents of California growth may sometimes accept that by pushing development from Los Angeles to Texas, their anti-growth policies increase carbon emissions. They then emphasize that California's water crisis makes further expansion impossible. But today, the overwhelming majority of water in California is directed to farms, not people. Using 10% of the state's agricultural water for new households could address the water needs of a massive increase in state population. California's water shortage is real, but it calls for more efficiency, conservation and new technologies, not wholesale growth restrictions that increase carbon emissions.

The state took an important step by instituting environmental impact reviews for new development 35 years ago. But such reviews only make sense if they are complete. A full review also would ask about the effects on the environment if a development is pushed somewhere else, like the desert outside Las Vegas. More complete environmental reviews, showing the costs of both building and not building, would reveal the full environmental benefits of building in L.A.

Stopping new development may seem green, but it isn't. When new homes aren't built in California, they are built in other places that are far less environmentally friendly. The best way for Californians to save the planet is to tear down the barriers that stop new development and encourage more people to live in a state where nature, not artificial energy, makes living pleasant year-round.

Edward L. Glaeser is the Glimp professor of economics and director of the Taubman Center for State and Local Government at Harvard University.
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Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.
I would bet that most of that growth has come from Cali.

I don't doubt that we use much more energy, but I also don't doubt that we pay the same overall bill for our useage. Here in Texas we have our own grid and we sell our extra capacity to Cali. You pay $100 for X Kw hours. We pay $100 for 4X Kw hours. So sure we use more. Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?
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Left Seater wrote:Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?
Good God! Are you into torture! Mine never gets above 68*!!!
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Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees
Unless there's a city called Humid Houston located somewhere in the southwestern desert region of America I gotta call bullshit on that.
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Indy,

That is what the programable threm is for. The wife will bitch if it gets too cold while she is watching American Idol. So until 9 it is 72 after which it goes to 66. Then at 6 am it goes back to 72.


Van,

Not to mention that Houston rarely gets above the mid 90s even in Aug due to said humidity.
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mvscal wrote: Yeah, why didn't we think of that? What ever would we do without "helpful" advice from Ivory Tower bubble world shitstains on the east coast?
They should name those schools "Poison Ivy League".

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Left Seater wrote:
Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.
I would bet that most of that growth has come from Cali.

I don't doubt that we use much more energy, but I also don't doubt that we pay the same overall bill for our useage. Here in Texas we have our own grid and we sell our extra capacity to Cali. You pay $100 for X Kw hours. We pay $100 for 4X Kw hours. So sure we use more. Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?

Not to be argumentative or anything but...

Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers (cents per kWh, November '08)

Residential -

Texas: 13.23
California: 14.76 (not quite 4x the Texas price)
Connecticut: 19.81
Hawaii: 33.41
West Virginia (low): 7.26

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricit ... 5_6_a.html
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mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.
Well, you wouldn't be here if they didn't.


















Wait a minute, you said good idea, didn't you? My bad.
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Mikey wrote:
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Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.
I would bet that most of that growth has come from Cali.

I don't doubt that we use much more energy, but I also don't doubt that we pay the same overall bill for our useage. Here in Texas we have our own grid and we sell our extra capacity to Cali. You pay $100 for X Kw hours. We pay $100 for 4X Kw hours. So sure we use more. Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?

Not to be argumentative or anything but...

Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers (cents per kWh, November '08)

Residential -

Texas: 13.23
California: 14.76 (not quite 4x the Texas price)
Connecticut: 19.81
Hawaii: 33.41
West Virginia (low): 7.26

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricit ... 5_6_a.html
New York 16.92. Good for fifth in the country.

That's high, but not as high as I would've thought, given that my electricity bill looks like the national debt.
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mvscal wrote:
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mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.
Well, you wouldn't be here if they didn't.
Guess again, dickdribble. You are even more incoherent than usual.
Of course, I see that you omitted the most important part:
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Mikey,

Point taken. However, my rate is in the single digits. I guess the statewide numbers are skewed by those who still go to the huge companies like Reliant. I guess someone has to pay for the stadium naming rights, but it won't be me.
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Not sure what my actual rate is because we're on at tiered tariff.

We have a baseline of something like 11 kWh/day, and you get that for less than $0.02/kWh. 100% to 200% of baseline is about $0.04/kWh. 200% to 300% of baseline is $0.21/kWh and over 300% is $0.23/kWh. And then there are surcharges that go on top of that as well.

Since I'm way over 300% (a large house has the same baseline as a 600 sf condo, and I average about 1500 kWh/month in the summer), my marginal rate is about $0.23 per kWh. The average is somewhat less than that. I'm thinking about installing solar panels.
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Hmmmm...just figgered it out.

For the past year I've averaged $0.21/kWh. Low of $0.167, high of $0.237. November '08 was $0.205.

I'm not sure who's getting that 14.76 cents/kWh.
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prolly the jews.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
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smackaholic wrote:prolly the jews.
No doubt. LA's full of 'em.
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mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.
Are you going to die loathing yourself or are you going to snap out of it?

BTW- I know the answer you cretinicious shitstamp.
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Oh, dear.

Certain cretinous misanthropes would do themselves a great service merely by abstaining from supercilious attempts at verbal onanism.

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I almost put it in quotes just for you.
Now go fuck yourself vapid Vanfuckhole.
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