Should the Young Pirate be Tried as an Adult?

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Somali pirate arrives in NYC, awaits court hearingBy VIRGINIA BYRNE, Associated Press Writer Virginia Byrne, Associated Press Writer
Tue Apr 21, 3:47 am ET

NEW YORK – The sole surviving Somali pirate from the hostage-taking of an American ship captain arrived in New York on Monday, smiling for a gaggle of cameras and reporters as federal agents led him into custody to face charges in the attack.

Abduhl Wali-i-Musi (AHB'-dul wahl-ih-MOO'-sih) was handcuffed and had a chain wrapped around his waist. His left hand was heavily bandaged from the wound he suffered during the skirmish on the ship two weeks ago.

The smiling teenager seemed poised as he entered a federal building in a rainstorm, but he didn't say anything in response to reporters' shouted questions about whether he had any comment about the pirate episode.

Wali-i-Musi is the first person to be tried in the United States on piracy charges in more than a century. He was flown from Africa to a New York airport and taken into custody ahead of a court hearing Tuesday.

A law enforcement official familiar with the case said that the teenager was being charged under two obscure federal laws that deal with piracy and hostage-taking. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the charges had not been announced.

The teenager's arrival came on the same day that his mother appealed to President Barack Obama for his release. She says her son was coaxed into piracy by "gangsters with money."

"I appeal to President Obama to pardon my teenager; I request him to release my son or at least allow me to see him and be with him during the trial," Adar Abdirahman Hassan said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from her home in Galka'yo town in Somalia.

The age and real name of the young pirate remained unclear. The mother said he is only 16 years old and is named Abdi Wali Abdulqadir Muse. The law enforcement official says he is at least 18, meaning prosecutors will not have to take extra legal steps to put him on trial in a U.S. court.

His worried family asked the Minneapolis-based Somali Justice Advocacy Center to help get him a lawyer, said the organization's executive director, Omar Jamal.

"What we have is a confused teenager, overnight thrown into the highest level of the criminal justice system in the United States out of a country where there's no law at all," Jamal said. Wali-i-Musi speaks no English and may never have attended school, he said.

The suspect was taken aboard a U.S. Navy ship shortly before Navy SEAL snipers killed three of his colleagues who had held Capt. Richard Phillips hostage.

The U.S. officials said the teenager was brought to New York to face trial in part because the FBI office here has a history of handling cases in Africa involving major crimes against Americans, such as the al-Qaida bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998.

Ron Kuby, a New York-based civil rights lawyer, said he has been in discussions about forming a legal team to represent the Somalian.

"I think in this particular case, there's a grave question as to whether America was in violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas," said Kuby. "This man seemed to come onto the Bainbridge under a flag of truce to negotiate. He was then captured. There is a question whether he is lawfully in American custody and serious questions as to whether he can be prosecuted because of his age."
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Piracy on the high seas? Isn't the penalty death?

I wouldn't mind seeing him swing from the yardarm.

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Gotta get a yardarm first, though.
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Heaven's no.

That might make the world hate us again.
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Isn't he the star free safety for Namibia Polytechnic?
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heh heh
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:x I preferred it when you guys were taking on entire continents and ideological movements. Is the attention the darkie getting a credit crunch thing, or a permenent state of affairs?
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He'd kill a 4 year old American child and proudly drag the corpse through the streets of Mogadishu to wild cheers and loving approval from the throngs of fellow "Muslims" and subsequently be declared a national hero for being such a devout and loyal servant carrying out the "will" of "God" in killing an American. Those fucking ingrates would kick and whack at the body with sticks as it passed by just as certainly as if homeboy has an ounce of melanin in his skin.

I say off with his head.
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I say return the lad to his momma. Trouble is, it's unsafe to visit somalia, so we just airdrop his ass from about 30,000 feet or so. Wanna stay above the AK flak. I'd give him a chute, if he can pay cash for one ahead of time.
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"What we have is a piece of human fecal matter, overnight thrown into the highest level of the criminal justice system in the United States out of a country where there's no law at all," Jamal said. Wali-i-Musi speaks no English and may never have attended school, he said.
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Ron Kuby, a New York-based civil rights lawyer, said he has been in discussions about forming a legal team to represent the Somalian.

"I think in this particular case, there's a grave question as to whether America was in violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas," said Kuby. "This man seemed to come onto the Bainbridge under a flag of truce to negotiate. He was then captured."
This wasn't warfare, and there was no "truce." Piracy isn't warfare. Kidnapping for ransom isn't warfare.

Sometimes, it's really difficult not to wish bodily harm on "civil rights" lawyers/media whores.
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Van wrote: This wasn't warfare, and there was no "truce." Piracy isn't warfare. Kidnapping for ransom isn't warfare.
What you know about this are of the Law could fit on the head of a pin.
Sometimes, it's really difficult not to wish bodily harm on "civil rights" lawyers/media whores.
If you are a barbaric POS it is. Now STFU until you have some idea as to what the fuck you are talking about.
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TBO wrote:What you know about this are of the Law could fit on the head of a pin.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

What you know about the English language could fit on the head of your little pin.

What you know about piracy law vs a declared state of war is even less.

So, TBO, should we just go ahead and add this one to the pile of ass beatings you've received, right now, before this one gets too much worse for you?
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Sure, we'll try him out, outfield I suppose, and if he can hit, fine. If not.....we'll see if he can swim the Allegheny..heh heh
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I'm sure that even in his own language he must be one helluva Gordon Gecko, being that he's sixteen, or eighteen, and completely uneducated.

That's what nations at war do, when they send emissaries to negotiate truces. They send illiterate sixteen year olds who can't even speak the language necessary to negotiate.

Yep, this one will go well for that turd, Kuby. Maybe TBO can be co-counsel, like Christoper Darden to Marcia Clark. With TBO and his stellar lawyerin' in defense of the kid maybe they'll just wheel in the hospital bed and the collection of syringes, right there in the courtroom.

"Kid," the judges says, "I'm giving you ten years in the clink. They'll love you in there. You, counsellor. Yeah, you, TBO. Hop on up there..."
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I've represented juvenile gang bangers at "Fitness Hearings" who allegedly break the law to further the designs, goals and motives of their criminal enterprise. Commonly the burden is on the defense when said defendant's allegedly commit acts which by statute, tend to fall on the violent side of criminal activity.

What I can say is that the use of firearms, the perpetration of the alleged act with fellow alleged gang members, that this is the type of alleged criminal activity that finds the perps as "unfit" and therefore the proper subjects for adult prosecution. This kid has a tough battle ahead, and I'm not uncomfortable with my prediction that he will be tried as an adult on his alleged acts. I can say that he will more likely than not, be well represented and will have his days in Court and that the foundations of due process will be maintained as he more likely than not, eventually pays his price.......
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That was an unusually bad post.
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Van wrote:That was an unusually bad post.
Yeah but pretty convincing that he's actually a lawyer.
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Not the area of law I practice in, but on general principles I don't have a problem with him being tried as an adult, even if he's only 16. In most states, at least, a 16-year-old can be tried as an adult regardless of circumstances.

That having been said, there's no way in hell he was the ringleader of that outfit. And he might have information useful in capturing any ringleaders who may remain at large. I'd say ten years in the clink is about right, if he's willing to cooperate with authorities. But there may be sentencing guidelines of which I'm unaware that command a different result.
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Van wrote:I don't consistently misspell "political" or "seems." In each instance those words were just missing the obvious vowel. Those are known as "typos."
I see so YOU get to have typos but when I do it it is butchering the English language.
Fuck off you stupid Hypocrite.
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Van wrote:That was an unusually bad post.
Why because it told you the factors that are used to decide if one should be tried as an adult and how those factors could/should be applied to this case.
Now STFU you vapid fuckhole.
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Moving Sale wrote:
Van wrote:I don't consistently misspell "political" or "seems." In each instance those words were just missing the obvious vowel. Those are known as "typos."
I see so YOU get to have typos but when I do it it is butchering the English language.
Fuck off you stupid Hypocrite.
A typo is a misspelled word where an obvious letter is missing, or a couple of letters were obviously transposed. We all can recognize an obvious typo, and they nearly always receive no mention.

Then there's what you do...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

TBO, there's a solid reason you're known for your butchered English. There's a reason you're a punchline, and even a verb. There's a reason one of your assfucked sentences appeared on the masthead of this very board.

It isn't because you commit the occasional typo, as we all do.
No, in your case, they're not typos. You mangle entire sentences. Narration, tense, syntax, action...all of it. You also misspell words, and not just as typos, but because you don't know any better.

This wouldn't be so funny if you weren't such an egomaniacal douche, who loudly fancies himself the smartest guy in any room. If you weren't so conceited, hey, your poor writing would likely pass without mention. You're hardly the worst writer here. You're just the most noteworthy, due to the KYOA Factor implicit in the notion of a conceited guy who constantly and poorly calls out others for their supposed lack of smarts.

I'll give you this, however. You do write better than m2.
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Van wrote: You mangle entire sentences. Narration, tense, syntax, action...all of it. You also misspell words, and not just as typos, but because you don't know any better.
Hook me up with a link fuckhead.
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Van wrote:You do write better than m2.
That could almost replace "At least you're not AP"....almost.
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No need. It was on our masthead, for about a year. Besides, this isn't a trial. The verdict has already been rendered.

You're become an all purpose verb.

There's the tinfoil hat verb...

"Don't Moving Sale me. There were no aliens involved, and no government conspiracies."

There's the poor writing verb...

"You totally TVO'd that fucking sentence. Again, in English, please."

There's the petulant insult slinging verb...

"Great, TVO me all you like, but I actually happen to be married to a black person, you ignorant douche."

There's also the fact that you've completely appropriated for yourself the words "vapid," "racist" and eighty seven different variations of the word "fuck" used as the beginning part of a hybrid gardening implement.
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Van wrote:There's also the fact that you've completely appropriated for yourself the words "vapid," "racist" and eighty seven different variations of the word "fuck" used as the beginning part of a hybrid gardening implement.
Without doing a search...

fuckstain
fuchpuddle
fuckhole
fuckchip
fuckhead

what else?
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IndyFrisco wrote:
Van wrote:There's also the fact that you've completely appropriated for yourself the words "vapid," "racist" and eighty seven different variations of the word "fuck" used as the beginning part of a hybrid gardening implement.
Without doing a search...

fuckstain
fuchpuddle
fuckhole
fuckchip
fuckhead

what else?
Fucknozzle and fuckstick leap to mind.

He's alo got a way of incorporating "cock" into myriad descriptions of the vagina.

Cockholster, cockpocket, cockchunnel, cockcozy, etc.

I just know that at some point he's going to call a judge or a prosecuting attorney a vapid, racist fuckstain, and he won't even realize he did it.

Good times.
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van, I doubt you can get to 87 without going to the ph group.
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Van wrote:No need. It was on our masthead, for about a year. Besides, this isn't a trial. The verdict has already been rendered.
Hook, Line and Sinker.
Go ahead and hook me up with the thread where I posted that.

For your information while you were sucking mvskkkal's dick he was changing my post and putting it in his sig. Next all the braindead fucko's, like yourself, lapped it up like it was true.

Now go fuck yourself you lying sack of shit.
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This might matter, were it an isolated case of TBO dumbfuckery. Happily, it isn't. If TBO doesn't C&P it and if it's of any length whatsoever it's sure to look like something a baked Irishman migh've typed out, while on shore leave in Bangkok.
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Live and learn Van,
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Moving Sale wrote:For your information while you were sucking mvskkkal's dick he was changing my post and putting it in his sig.
A blatant lie.
Upon further review:
You are right in the sense that YOU didn't change it (I just checked the thread and that was goobs) but you could see that it was changed (if you wanted to) because my post was two posts above your post and you had to have C&Ped it (if you C&Ped it) from his post not mine, so you knew.

I apologize for stating otherwise.
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Van wrote:This might matter, were it an isolated case of TBO dumbfuckery. Happily, it isn't. If TBO doesn't C&P it and if it's of any length whatsoever it's sure to look like something a baked Irishman migh've typed out, while on shore leave in Bangkok.
So let me get this straight. You made an assertion, I asked for proof, You brought up the masthead, I told you that was not me and You say it doesn't matter? Your proof doesn't matter? It's just known by the idiots around here so it's true? Like R-jack fucks horses and Wendy is hot? Like that? Give me a break Van. So I missed an 'a' in a post. BFD. That you jump all over it while making your own silly mistakes is the height of Hypocrisy.

Van's Typo Police. :meds: :meds: :meds: :meds:
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That is simply not true.

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... &start=210
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So Van who are you going to believe? Our resident Racist fuckhole or your own lying eyes?
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I'm not even bothering about it. Like I said, you've posted so many horribly written posts that the legitimacy of one particularly funny one isn't a make-or-break issue.

You write so badly that you're usually not even aware of it.
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Van wrote:I'm not even bothering about it. Like I said, you've posted so many horribly written posts that the legitimacy of one particularly funny one isn't a make-or-break issue.

You write so badly that you're usually not even aware of it.
So your evidence falls to shit. In fact the one piece you have is found to be a lie and you still insist on the 'it's true because I say it is' card. You don't even question why mvckkkal lied to you? What kind of fucked up pile of shitbrains are you?

You're pathetic.
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Moving Sale wrote:That is simply not true.

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... &start=210
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So Van who are you going to believe? Our resident Racist fuckhole or your own lying eyes?
Looks like Tiny must have reread his take after mashing submit. Goobs caught it right away and quoted/replied (within 2 minutes), but Tiny had already gotten the edit in before Goober hit submit thus no edit log. Good for Tiny. One of the few times/things he ever "got over".
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Moving Sale wrote:Any tard who this they are the same is an iodiot.
Ah yes, one of the finest insta-melts in board history. It was even the slogan at the top for a little over a year.

Good shit.
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IndyFrisco wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:That is simply not true.

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... &start=210
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So Van who are you going to believe? Our resident Racist fuckhole or your own lying eyes?
Looks like Tiny must have reread his take after mashing submit. Goobs caught it right away and quoted/replied (within 2 minutes), but Tiny had already gotten the edit in before Goober hit submit thus no edit log. Good for Tiny. One of the few times/things he ever "got over".
Even so, he only corrected one of the two misspellings. On the other one, he somehow managed to combine the correct spelling of idiot with the accepted board slang, iodot. Hence, iodiot.
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To paraphrase PSU, "With TBO we always win."
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IndyFrisco wrote:must have reread his take
"Must have?" Why because Gobs and mvskkkal are such stand up guys? Oh that's right it's just something that is 'known' so no proof is required.
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Insta melt by whom?
Terry in Crapchester wrote: On the other one, he somehow managed to combine the correct spelling of idiot with the accepted board slang, iodot. Hence, iodiot.
Et tu Terry?
Van wrote:To paraphrase PSU, "With TBO we always win."
Actually you're getting your ass handed to you.
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