James Harrison is not a genius

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:58 am

http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/200 ... house.html

"This is how I feel -- if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl.
As far as I'm concerned, (Obama) would've invited Arizona if they had won," said Harrison.

LMAO!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun May 17, 2009 10:58 pm

How 'bout somebody with more common sense than an empty can of tomato soup?

James Harrison, what a maroon.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:46 pm

poptart wrote:"This is how I feel -- if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl.
As far as I'm concerned, (Obama) would've invited Arizona if they had won," said Harrison.

Apparently Mr. Harrison isn't aware of the tradition of all college and pro championship teams visiting the White House...

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:23 am

backpedal to come when someone explains the tradition to him

in the most childlike way no doubt

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:34 am

And exactly what makes any of you think Harrison is unaware of said tradition?

He knows, he just doesn't give a fuck.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue May 19, 2009 11:36 am

RACK Dio. He did the same fucking thing 3 years ago. Is this supposed to be news?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:03 pm

It certainly is his perrogative not to accept the invitation, but to demonstrate his idiocy by saying "he would have invited the Cardinals if they'd won" is pure stupidity....I wonder if he accepted the super bowl hat and shirts they gave away when they won? Hey, if they hadn't won, they would have just given the hats and shirts to the Cardinals??????? :doh:

then to cap it off with "he should have invited us when we were down".....uh, he's been in office all of 3 months.....exactly how could he have invited you to the White House?

but like I say, it's his choice

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:11 pm

Speaking as someone with good cause to dislike the guy, I have to give him credit. The whole schtick of inviting the SB winners to the White House is not about honoring them, it's mearly a political publicity stunt. And he decided to opt out, in spite of the flack he was sure to get from the terminally clueless (especially now that the Cult of Personality is the law of the land), and has done so in a bi-partisan manner.

Hats off, James.
I still hate you, BTW.

trev · Post by **trev** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:15 pm

I don't care who invites me to the White House or why. If I get invited to the White House, I am going to visit the White House.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:22 pm

trev wrote:I don't care who invites me to the White House or why. If I get invited to the White House, I am going to visit the White House.

Who the fuck are you again? Oh, that's right. Nobody.

James Harrison, on the other hand, is somebody people have actually heard of. And who decided not to allow political hacks of either party to use him for pointless PR games.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:25 pm

What makes Harrison an idiot off the field is what makes him a beast on the field. He's a player with average (by NFL standards) physical gifts who has, by dint of hard work and internalizing every slight, no matter how bizarre it might seem to others, turned himself into an absolutely phenomenal player. I'm as big a fan of Barack Obama as there is, but if this is what Harrison needs to turn himself into the raging beast of a sociopath that he is on the football field, then so be it. I'm not watching Harrison play because I agree with his politics, or lack thereof.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:17 pm

Bsmack wrote:I'm as big a fan of Barack Obama as there is

That is just scary. Inexplicable, and scary. There are some outright nutjob fans of this guy, and you admit to being every bit the "cult of personality" lemming as the nutjobs.

How can anybody who isn't merely latching onto the shared mulatto racial aspect be a huge fan of this guy?

There's no reason to hate him, not really, anyway, but there's also no reason to be a huge fan. There is no reason to be a big fan of W, nor Obama.

He speaks well, when prompted. He has a nice smile. He's received a good education. He seems like a decent enough guy, from the outside looking in.

BFD. Dime a dozen. I've had history teachers about whom I could say the same. We all know everyday people in our everyday lives about whom we could say the same.

Why in the hell would anybody be a huge fan of this guy?? He's not Mozart. He's not Einstein. He's not even Jeff Gordon. He hasn't done anything, except to get tabbed by his party's political machine, and that decision was based entirely on his unique image. It wasn't based on his achievements in politics, or as any sort of a leader.

He's merely a figurehead. He may as well be a bobblehead.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:26 pm

Van,

I'm not posting on this particular forum to debate politics. If this is the direction this thread is taking, we might as well trots it now. Wrong place, wrong time to debate an aside remark in a post that otherwise is about James Harrison the football player.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:46 pm

Yeah, but if Van had mentioned Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson you'd have been all like...

:swoon:

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:52 pm

Diogenes wrote:The whole schtick of inviting the SB winners to the White House is not about honoring them, it's mearly a political publicity stunt.

It's also pretty damn good publicity for the teams and I'm sure their fans eat that shit up. I know I would, if one of my teams ever actually won something.

And it's merely, you goddamn bolded idiot.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed May 20, 2009 12:09 am

Why in the hell would anybody be a huge fan of this guy?? He's not Mozart. He's not Einstein. He's not even Jeff Gordon.

you fuggin make me laugh out loud at times

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed May 20, 2009 1:30 am

Felix wrote:
Why in the hell would anybody be a huge fan of this guy?? He's not Mozart. He's not Einstein. He's not even Jeff Gordon.
you fuggin make me laugh out loud at times

:)

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:15 pm

BSmack wrote:Van,

I'm not posting on this particular forum to debate politics. If this is the direction this thread is taking, we might as well trots it now. Wrong place, wrong time to debate an aside remark in a post that otherwise is about James Harrison the football player.

It's way too early to be a "big fan" of Obama. The only reason you are a big fan of Harrison is because he's on your team. You bandwagon Pittsburgh as far as I know, not even your own home team. The only reason you are a big fan of Barack is because he espouses your same flaming liberal views.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 20, 2009 3:41 pm

trev wrote:You bandwagon Pittsburgh as far as I know, not even your own home team. The only reason you are a big fan of Barack is because he espouses your same flaming liberal views.

Unless I missed something... when did we stop having the right to freedom of choice? Much like you're allowed to roll out of bed each morning in a vodka induced haze with jizz from multiple donors oozing out of every fucking orifice... we as Americans have been afforded certian liberties. Last time I checked, we are actually allowed to think for ourselves, not have decisions made for us based upon geography.

Your take screams Socialism, so I am rather surprised you're not a huge Onogga fan. Can I assume you're not a baseball fan, seeing as how there's not an actual MLB team within 50 miles of San Diego? No hoops for you either. Sorry.

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:07 pm

Anyone is free to bandwagon any team they want. Just don't get offended when called out on it. I'm not surprised you are defending this issue, ucan't. Are you a 'big fan' of Obama's also? Do you expect for everyone to pay for you and Bsmacks medical care when you hurt yourselves jumping off and on the wagons? I bet you do. It's all about American liberties, ya dolt.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 20, 2009 4:49 pm

Bandwagon means to root for a team only while they're successful, not your whole life.

Nice IKYABWAI bullshit with the Onagga thing. Very... "effective." Seriously.

San Diego is not known for its good takes, so I am not surprised you're not a fan of them.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:35 pm

trev wrote:
BSmack wrote:Van,

I'm not posting on this particular forum to debate politics. If this is the direction this thread is taking, we might as well trots it now. Wrong place, wrong time to debate an aside remark in a post that otherwise is about James Harrison the football player.
It's way too early to be a "big fan" of Obama. The only reason you are a big fan of Harrison is because he's on your team. You bandwagon Pittsburgh as far as I know, not even your own home team. The only reason you are a big fan of Barack is because he espouses your same flaming liberal views.

Really? My home team? Bitch, I live in Rochester. The closest thing we have to a home team is an arena league team that couldn't even hack it in AFL2, folded, competed in something called the "Great Lakes Football League" and is now competing in something called the IFL.

And furthermore, I don't "bandwagon" the Steelers. I am a die hard fan who has lived and died with my team since I was 8 years old. I don't buy cowboys gear. I don't buy Packers gear. Hell, I even felt squeemish about buying my brother a #4 Brett Favre Jets t-shirt last year for Christmas. And that was as a fucking JOKE. I buy Steelers gear, I watch Steelers football and I damn sure ain't bandwagoning anybody.

Lastly, when I was a kid, I had classmates that rooted for the Raiders, Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins, Jets, Giants, Browns, Bills and Vikings, just to name a few. There was no local team then and there is no local team now. The idea of a "local team" for Rochester has been foisted on us by the NFL marketing folks and local media. I actually kind of like it now, because it means I have an endless supply of useless bandwagon fucks who know nothing about football to talk shit to when I choose to watch the Steelers play at the local bar or when I wear my Steelers gear outside the house. It's kind of like replying to one of your posts only I know they'll probably sober up eventually.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:40 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Really? My home team? Bitch, I live in Rochester. The closest thing we have to a home team is...
The Buffalo Bills.

Wrong. Dead wrong.

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:44 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Really? My home team? Bitch, I live in Rochester. The closest thing we have to a home team is...
The Buffalo Bills.

Next he'll be on here posting on how he has to drive thru Pittsburgh to get to Buffalo.

Too funny.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed May 20, 2009 6:18 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Wrong. Dead wrong.
Crapchester is only 70 miles away. They're your team. Deal with it.

I deal with their relative proximity by purchasing Sunday Ticket and laughing at anybody wearing a #81 Bills jersey. But they are not Rochester's team any more than the Syracuse Orange are. Not that it matters too much. After Ralph Wilson kicks the bucket, they'll be Toronto's team. A fellow named Adrian from Garden Grove once said, "I guess I just don't understand east coast sports fans". You should just admit that and shut up.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed May 20, 2009 7:55 pm

mvscal wrote:Crapchester is only 70 miles away. They're your team. Deal with it.

Ya know... you don't have to root for an inferior product like the Chargers just for the sake of proximity. There's plenty of other teams with roots to California (all of them, in fact) who have won a Super Bowl.

Heck, you're close enough to Arizona where you may want to say you're a Tardinals fan. They at least didn't get BLOWN THE FUCK OUT on football's biggest stage.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:10 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Heck, you're close enough to Arizona where you may want to say you're a Cardinals fan.

Hell, no. Stay the fuck off of my bandwagon, motherfuckers.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:08 pm

Van wrote:How can anybody who isn't merely latching onto the shared mulatto racial aspect be a huge fan of this guy?

There's no reason to hate him, not really, anyway, but there's also no reason to be a huge fan. There is no reason to be a big fan of W, nor Obama.

BTW, isn't J.H. a brother?

I realize the lefties want him to go all hypocrite and have a photo op with Their Messiah after having declined to do so when The War Criminal was in the White House (if misery loves company, hypocrisy adores it), but ignoring their silly asses, how much flack is dude risking by dissing the savior of Black America?

Gutsy move.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu May 21, 2009 8:02 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Wrong. Dead wrong.
Crapchester is only 70 miles away. They're your team. Deal with it.

I live closer to Buffalo than BSmack does, and I guarantee you I spend more time there than he does. And even I don't consider the Bills my home team. BSmack pretty much nailed it when he said . . .

Really? My home team? Bitch, I live in Rochester. The closest thing we have to a home team is an arena league team that couldn't even hack it in AFL2, folded, competed in something called the "Great Lakes Football League" and is now competing in something called the IFL.

. . .

Lastly, when I was a kid, I had classmates that rooted for the Raiders, Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins, Jets, Giants, Browns, Bills and Vikings, just to name a few. There was no local team then and there is no local team now. The idea of a "local team" for Rochester has been foisted on us by the NFL marketing folks and local media. I actually kind of like it now, because it means I have an endless supply of useless bandwagon fucks who know nothing about football to talk shit to when I choose to watch the Steelers play at the local bar or when I wear my Steelers gear outside the house. It's kind of like replying to one of your posts only I know they'll probably sober up eventually.

Although he got a little confused when talking about the Arena teams. The Brigade was the team that folded in AF2, now the Raiders are in the IFL after a stint in the Great Lakes Football League.

Unlike most in here, apparently, I realize that the Bills were not an expansion team in 1990. I'm aware that they existed during my childhood. What's more, I'm well aware that during my childhood, the Bills were, almost without exception, among the dregs of the NFL, year after year after year. You are aware that the NFL has a blackout rule, no? Guess what? While I was growing up (and BSmack is about my age), just about every home game the Bills had was blacked out. They didn't start selling out home games until, oh, about 1988 or so (which, coincidentally, was just about the first time they were ever a decent team). You're not going to cultivate a fanbase among kids 70 miles away when they never see the team on TV.

As BSmack mentioned, there are a number of teams with sizeable fan followings around here, and depending on which sports bar you hit up, chances are good you can find a gamewatch party for the Cowboys, Steelers, Raiders, Browns, Dolphins, Vikings, Redskins, Giants, Jets, etc. In fact, just about the only NFL team with an extended period of success in the past which does not have a sizeable fan following here is -- you guessed it -- the 49ers. Which is why it always confused me that some in here insisted on calling me a bandwagoner for following the 49ers, but nothing I can do about that, I suppose.

BSmack wrote:After Ralph Wilson kicks the bucket, they'll be Toronto's team.

You've pretty much nailed it in here, but I have to disagree with this point. I have no doubt that management would love to move the team to Toronto, but, jmho, the league will never allow it to happen. A full-time NFL team in Toronto would kill the Argonauts, which in turn would kill the CFL. The NFL has gotten too much talent from that league over time to allow that to happen.

My prediction: when Ralph Wilson dies, Tom Golisano will step in and buy the team.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:12 am

Look for a L.A. group to try and scoop them up. Unless the Chargers migrate there first, of course.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Fri May 22, 2009 9:28 pm

With any luck, the kid will die and daddy will spend the rest of his life in prison. Two birds, one pitbull. RACK!

Terry in Crapchester · Sun May 24, 2009 4:00 pm

Diogenes wrote:Look for a L.A. group to try and scoop them up. Unless the Chargers migrate there first, of course.

A LA group might try to do so, but Bills' management and Wilson's executors will do whatever they can to keep the team either in Buffalo or Toronto. The only way this team winds up in LA is if: (a) there's no viable ownership group committed to keeping the team in Buffalo; and (b) the league prohibits them from moving to Toronto; and/or (c) the Probate Court orders the team to be sold to a LA group (as to this latter possibility, no home court advantage for a Buffalo or Toronto group, as Wilson lives in Michigan).

One possibility that's been kicking around in my head, depending on the probate laws of Michigan. Certain states exempt any property transferred to a surviving spouse from passing through the decedent's estate. If Michigan permits that, Wilson could leave the Bills to his wife, who is considerably younger (as in 30 years or more) than he is. She could then do with the team what she wished.

As for LA, look for them to get an expansion team in the not-too-distant future. It could be worse, though. The Lambs could still be in town.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:59 am

So the basic answer is-he didn't want to go slumming.

PITTSBURGH -- Steelers linebacker James Harrison can't believe there's so much fuss being made about his decision to skip the Super Bowl champions' White House visit with President Barack Obama on Thursday.

Harrison also bypassed the traditional ceremony in June 2006, when the Steelers were honored by President George W. Bush at the White House.

"Why is it a big issue now that I'm not going if it wasn't a big issue the last time?" Harrison said Tuesday after an offseason practice.

Harrison was a backup when the Steelers won Super Bowl XL during the 2005 season, but he was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year last season. His 100-yard interception return for a touchdown during a 27-23 victory over the Arizona Cardinals in Super Bowl XLIII is the longest scoring play in the game's history.

"Hey, James ain't changed," said Harrison, whose longtime fear of flying might have played a role in his decision not to accompany his teammates to Washington. "I guess my profile did, but I didn't change. I'm not going because I don't want to go."

Harrison also said -- but not seriously -- that the White House isn't in one of Washington's safer areas.

"It's not a good neighborhood over there," he said. "It's a bad neighborhood."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true

And James, to answer your question...

The reason it's a major deal now is because you have a bunch of pretentious self-important pussies in power.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu May 28, 2009 6:23 am

Hey Terry, I haven't seen you much in the NFL forum and had no idea you are a Niner Fan. We could use a real Niner fan, so stick around. I look for BSmacked to bolt when "his" team loses. He's just that type of pansy.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:43 pm

trev wrote:Hey Terry, I haven't seen you much in the NFL forum and had no idea you are a Niner Fan. We could use a real Niner fan, so stick around. I look for BSmacked to bolt when "his" team loses. He's just that type of pansy.

^^^^^^

Posting fail.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Thu May 28, 2009 2:05 pm

BSmack wrote:
trev wrote:Hey Terry, I haven't seen you much in the NFL forum and had no idea you are a Niner Fan. We could use a real Niner fan, so stick around. I look for BSmacked to bolt when "his" team loses. He's just that type of pansy.
^^^^^^

Posting fail.

It's tough not to notice the drunkard welcoming Terry aboard as a Niners fan conflicts with bullshit she posted earlier in this very thread.

Vodka induced haze much?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:35 pm

R-Jack wrote:
trev wrote:Hey Terry, I haven't seen you much in the NFL forum and had no idea you are a Niner Fan. We could use a real Niner fan, so stick around. I look for BSmacked to bolt when "his" team loses. He's just that type of pansy.
Wait,

You're going to gloss BGrift a bandwagon jumper because he lives closer to Buffalo yet roots for the Steelers, but you are all too ready to gloss Terry, someone who lives across the fucking country and became a fan of the Niners in their heyday, as a real fan?

Wasn't mTwat a niner fan before Green Bay promoted Rogers?

It's okay, as long as we don't get any more AFC Worst backers in here. Those fuckers are just like cockroaches. crawling (with their respective teams) on the ground and too numerous to count.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:42 pm

I hear you all barking. Being called a bandwagon hopper really touches a nerve with a few of you. You know who you are. Terry at least had a decent explanation for doing it, the rest of you, not so much.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:50 pm

trev wrote:Being called a bandwagon hopper really touches a nerve with a few of you.

It doesn't apply to me.

But it would still beat being called a Charger fan.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri May 29, 2009 4:42 am

R-Jack wrote:
trev wrote:I hear you all barking. Being called a bandwagon hopper really touches a nerve with a few of you. You know who you are. Terry at least had a decent explanation for doing it, the rest of you, not so much.
You fucking moron, Terry's explanation was the exact same as BSmack's. Hell both of them came of age as football fans in the 80's while the Niners were winning Super Bowls, but Terry is somehow less of a bandwagon jumper?

No one has a problem with you calling people bandwagon jumpers. The sheer idiocy you use to defend your point and the blissful ignorance you display when you contradict it is a different story.

Actually, I didn't explain it all that much. But fwiw, I didn't become a Niners fan because they started winning. I became a Niners fan because I already was a Joe Montana fan, from his days at, you guessed it, Notre Dame, when the Niners got him. In fact, the Niners didn't start winning right away with Montana. They were 2-14 in his first season, 6-10 in his second season (his first as a starter). They won the Super Bowl the following year, but looked like one-hit wonders for a few years after that.

I was a fan of Joe Montana's from the '77 green jersey game vs. USC, extending through the 38-10 Cotton Bowl thumping of then-#1 Texas to win the national championship, and including the "chicken soup" Cotton Bowl game the following year where Joe came back from hypothermia and rallied ND from 22 down to win the game. And I was a fan even though, for much of his college career, Dan Devine thought that Rusty Lisch and Gary Forystek were better QB's. I have never been as big a fan of any other player before or since. I realize that some on this board would call this a mancrush, although in reality it's closer to hero worship.

I realize that, at least among this board, that's probably an unusual criterion for selecting your team. That having been said, however, I think it was ucan't that pointed out that we actually get to choose our team. I would submit that the choice goes beyond geographic constrictions, and also includes the criteria you want to use to select your team. That was the reason for my selection.

I realize that some think that any bandwagoning analysis begins and ends with when a fan started following his team, and how well the team was doing at that particular time. I think there's more to the inquiry than that, however. I would submit that you also need to consider the age of the fan (dunno about the exact age, but I think you get a pass if you're under, say, 8-10 years old), the reasons the fan started following the team, and to me, bandwagoning also implies that the fan did not jump on the bandwagon alone. At least as applied in my case, the latter two conditions are missing or at least inconsistent with a bandwagoning conclusion (note that I'm not accusing BSmack of bandwagoning the Steelers either).

Fwiw, I would argue that merely changing allegiances is not tantamount to bandwagoning. In circumstances such as mine, where the decision is based at least in part on personnel, that would suggest the likelihood of a change in allegiance at least at some point in the future. Moreover, under certain circumstances, a change in allegiance should be not just condoned, but applauded. Case in point: any old-school Dallas Cowboys fan who had any self-respect should have changed allegiance as soon as Jerrah Jones bought the team. Had it been up to me, when Jerrah Jones bought the team he would have been required to move the franchise, and change the team's uniforms, colors, logo and nickname, for all the resemblance the Jerrah Jones-era Cowboys bore to the old school Cowboys. No other NFL franchise ever made a more conscious decision to divorce itself from its history and tradition, including the Baltimore Ravens.

I also think there's a tremendous difference between bandwagoning when it comes to college teams as opposed to pro teams. The largest universities in the country have maybe 50-60,000 undergrads at any given time. By contrast, the smallest cities that support professional sports teams at the highest level have populations ten times that amount, or more. So there's a much more intimate connection between a college team and the school it represents than there is between a pro team and the city it represents. For that reason, rooting for USC football and UCLA basketball (a fairly common phenomenon on this board), or, along the lines of the SissyCrown Wondertwins, Florida State football and Duke basketball, reeks to me of bandwagoning.

Shifting gears, I actually agree with mvscal's analysis of the Bills as applied to the younger generation of fans. There's no doubt that the Bills now employ a regional marketing strategy which encompasses Rochester, as well as all of New York State extending as far east as Syracuse, or perhaps even east of that, along with southern Ontario (the Toronto game) and even NW PA (although the Bills are sucking hind tit behind both the Steelers and the Browns in that region). That regional marketing plan is THE reason Buffalo has managed to hang onto the Bills this long, while a number of other cities otherwise doing better than Buffalo (L.A., Houston, St. Louis, even Baltimore and Cleveland) have gone NFL-less for an extended time at one point or another in the relatively recent past. But it would be a mistake to assume that it's always been that way. As I pointed out, the Bills were pretty much a perennial cellar-dweller when I was a kid. It probably would've been impossible for them to come up with a feasible regional marketing plan under those circumstances.