Good thing they rammed that "stimulus" through

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:11 am

Joe Biden, Feb. 6, 2009: "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30 percent chance we're going to get it wrong."

Joe Biden, June 5 2009: "We misread how bad the economy was..."

B.O. & Co. predicted that the unemployment rate in June would be about 7.9% if the "stimulus" plan was passed. They also predicted that the unemployment rate would be about 8.7% if the plan was NOT passed.

The plan passed. The unemployment rate is 9.5%, 1.2% higher than if we did nothing at least according to our genius in charge.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:24 pm

poptart wrote:Joe Biden, Feb. 6, 2009: "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30 percent chance we're going to get it wrong."

Joe Biden, June 5 2009: "We misread how bad the economy was..."

B.O. & Co. predicted that the unemployment rate in June would be about 7.9% if the "stimulus" plan was passed. They also predicted that the unemployment rate would be about 8.7% if the plan was NOT passed.

The plan passed. The unemployment rate is 9.5%, 1.2% higher than if we did nothing at least according to our genius in charge.

Which means it would have been over 10% had we done nothing at all.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:28 pm

It means they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:37 pm

Is it too early to say they were wrong? Probably. When they raise taxes on the middle class we can start the backlash.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:40 pm

They've already raised those taxes, trev.
They just haven't HIT yet.

It's called inflation.
The most cruel and universal tax.

Soon coming your way.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:40 pm

trev wrote:Is it too early to say they were wrong? Probably. When they raise taxes on the middle class we can start the backlash.

YOU will start the backlash?

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:41 pm

poptart wrote:They've already raised those taxes, trev.
They just haven't HIT yet.

It's called inflation.
The most cruel and universal tax.

Soon coming your way.

You are right.

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:42 pm

BSmack wrote:
trev wrote:Is it too early to say they were wrong? Probably. When they raise taxes on the middle class we can start the backlash.
YOU will start the backlash?

It's not going to be that funny. And no, I won't be doing it, but you will feel it and it won't be fun.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:46 pm

BSmack wrote:Which means it would have been over 10% had we done nothing at all.

You pathetic knob-polishing bitch! The CBO said less than 10% if we did nothing at all when it evaluated Obama's stimulus plan. Your standard here is as convincing as Obama's carrying on about "saving" jobs. Something that cannot be measured in any way whatsoever.

As well, given that only a tiny amount of the actual stimulus spending has actually been disbursed (less than one-eighth), you cannot argue that stimulus spending has kept unemployment from going even higher.

Further still, it is commonly recognized that employment is a lagging economic indicator. Hence, it's highly improbable that given the tiny amount actually disbursed would be having any impact whatsoever.

Look, this stimulus is a failure. That's why Obama's economic team is recommending a second stimulus mere months after the first massive stimulus was rammed down our throats on the basis that the first stimulus was "a bit too small."

GFYJO. You're a slag for the regime and that's it.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:49 pm

JMak wrote:
BSmack wrote:Which means it would have been over 10% had we done nothing at all.
The CBO said less than 10% if we did nothing at all when it evaluated Obama's stimulus plan.

And the CBO's projections were off. We all understand that. Now feel free to express the impact the stimulus plan did not have.

I'll just kick back and watch you flail away.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:09 pm

BSmack wrote:And the CBO's projections were off.

They're always off, idiot. Static economic scoring is nearly always wrong. The point is, using static economic scoring like the CBO does tells what likely would happen if nothing changed versus what would happen if only the change being proposed were implemented.

So your point that the projections were off is quite meaningless and irrelevant.

I did notice that you had no response whatsoever to the other comments I posted so I'll that as tacit admission that I hit my mark.

We'd have this same level unemployment had the fed government done nothing. Yet, after passing legislation including nearly a trillion dollars of deficit spending for economic stimulus based on the totally empty promises of creating or saving millions of jobs we have...what? The same level of unemployment as we would have had by doing nothing.

And Obama and the Democrats already recognize that the stimulus is failing as they are ready to start planning a second stimulus package.

Way to go, asshats.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:13 pm

Way to go, asshats.

2010 GOP campaign slogan

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:15 pm

BSmack wrote:
I'll just kick back and watch you flail away.

the thing that's really troubling to me is that 2 days after he got elected, the conservatives were screaming about why it's taking so long for Obama to turn the economy around

now, after seven months in office they're calling for him to be ousted because he hasn't undone all of the damage inflicted on the country by Bush's foreign and domestic policies

yeah, this is going to be a real roller coaster ride for the Reps...I wouldn't be surprised if the party leaders (Limpdick, Darth Cheney, Karl "pillsbury doughboy" Rove started vapor locking

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:16 pm

JMak wrote:I did notice that you had no response whatsoever to the other comments I posted so I'll that as tacit admission that I hit my mark.

You can take that as confirmation that you're a mindless fucking tool who is not worth that much effort.

We'd have this same level unemployment had the fed government done nothing.

Prove it.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:18 pm

Felix wrote:now, after seven months in office they're calling for him to be ousted because he hasn't undone all of the damage inflicted on the country by Bush's foreign and domestic policies

I'm pointing out that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

The chart is in front of your face.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:29 pm

BSmack wrote:You can take that as confirmation that you're a mindless fucking tool who is not worth that much effort.

Riight. But I was worth the effort you did put into that steaming pile of post? You're as transparent as Obama's hope and change mantra. Keep repeating that to yourself, moron, you might delude yourself into thinking he's some kind of messiah...

Prove it.

You first...I'm still waiting for you to prove, "Which means it would have been over 10% had we done nothing at all."

I already cited my source. You decided to argue that the CBO was off. Not that you can prove it since the conditions that the CBO used to reach their estimations do not exist.

But you're going to demand that I prove something? You've committed the cardinal sin among liberals...hypocrisy. Not that I am surprised.

Look, Congress and your boy Obama relied on the CBO projections and so am I. Deal with it.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:32 pm

Felix wrote:the thing that's really troubling to me is that 2 days after he got elected, the conservatives were screaming about why it's taking so long for Obama to turn the economy around

Strawman what? Which conservatives were these?

now, after seven months in office they're calling for him to be ousted because he hasn't undone all of the damage inflicted on the country by Bush's foreign and domestic policies

Who is calling for him to be removed on this basis?

Lie much?

This always gets me about lefties..they simply cannot speak honestly...like its some kind of hard-wired instinct.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:35 pm

OK, my curiosity has been satisfied. JMak is Dr. Detroit.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:38 pm

Here, moron...

CBO's baseline unemployment rate for 2009 was 9%, in 2010, 8.7%, and in 2011, 7.5% as of February 2009 in the heat of the stimulus debate.

Despite Obama's promises and declarations that the stimulus money is pouring into the economy and that it's already saving jobs, we've already exceeded that 9% and going higher.

BTW - I wonder why Obama never acknowledged that he was flat-out wrong about Catepillar being able to avoid layoffs if the stimulus was passed? So much for saving jobs.

Biden was right when he declared, "some people are being scammed already" when he was discussing the stimulus in May.

Edit - Funny, I'm not worth the effort to respond to but apparently, worth the weeks of curiosity about who I am...

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:57 pm

BSmack wrote:
poptart wrote:Joe Biden, Feb. 6, 2009: "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30 percent chance we're going to get it wrong."

Joe Biden, June 5 2009: "We misread how bad the economy was..."

B.O. & Co. predicted that the unemployment rate in June would be about 7.9% if the "stimulus" plan was passed. They also predicted that the unemployment rate would be about 8.7% if the plan was NOT passed.

The plan passed. The unemployment rate is 9.5%, 1.2% higher than if we did nothing at least according to our genius in charge.
Which means it would have been over 10% had we done nothing at all.

So we could have done nothing, the unemployment would have been up .5% by your admission, and the gubmint would not have spent the billions of hand out, welfare, transparent dollars, and inceased the national debt by billions.

Sounds like a pretty good deal to me....GM would still be in Chapter 11, the sun will rise in the east, and the welfare fucks will still get their dole.

Maybe when gubmint decides to get the fuck out of private business's way, and let private business get working again, you will see an economic turn around. But for now, we keep throwing billions of dollars towards gubmint funded projects, which get the 30% of people that work for the gubmint more busy work, and allows the local city workers to continue driving around 3 to a vehicle doing the gubmint slouch / lean, and hide on the back streets in the industrial sections not doing a fucking thing.

BSpinmeister will now dispute common economic precepts and be a honk for his boy BO and his crew.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:32 pm

JMak wrote: Strawman what? Which conservatives were these?

pretty much all of them

Who is calling for him to be removed on this basis?

the mouthpieces for the conservatives by and large-what would you call a suggestion that "we" should try and recruit leaders of the coup in Honduras to come to the US? Sounds like somebody is treading awfully close to treason with these kinds of remarks....

This always gets me about lefties..they simply cannot speak honestly...like its some kind of hard-wired instinct.

it's Limbaugh that relayed the statement above.....and don't try and give me the whole "he's just an entertainer" bullshit....he's pretty much the flagship of the Reps...

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:47 pm

JMak wrote: Obama's carrying on about "saving" jobs. Something that cannot be measured in any way whatsoever.

They already have a formula in place to determine saved jobs: If any company that does business with the Gubmint doesn't hire a new employee to answer the telephone, write the order, fill the order, ship the order, mail the invoice and receive the payment, each of those jobs counts as a job saved. If the do hire someone for any of those positions, it's a job created. Simple, no?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:45 pm

poptart wrote:Way to go, asshats.

2010 GOP campaign slogan

Perfect...for the GOP Primary season, that is. I'm telling you, the first thing GOP folks will need to do is lynch the morons who have been in charge of strategy for them. If they are able to do that, and IF they are able to position capable folks in their places (that is...source them from outside of their tent, which is full of halfwits), then the slogan will be useful for candidates amidst the GOP primary season.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:00 pm

Felix wrote:pretty much all of them

Such as....liar?

the mouthpieces for the conservatives by and large-what would you call a suggestion that "we" should try and recruit leaders of the coup in Honduras to come to the US? Sounds like somebody is treading awfully close to treason with these kinds of remarks....

Who the fuck are you talking about?

First it was these anonymous conservatives. Now it's their mouthpieces? Next will be citing some unknown idiot in Utah. You suck.

it's Limbaugh that relayed the statement above.....and don't try and give me the whole "he's just an entertainer" bullshit....he's pretty much the flagship of the Reps...

What "statement?" You didn't cite any statement. Given your track record now in this thread of lying, your word means dick.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:56 pm

mvscal wrote:
Shove it up your ass, you brainless fucktard. If Rush was "pretty much the flagship of the Reps," they NEVER would have even dreamed of nominating a weak sack of shit like McCain.

But because some fawning media bootlicker says so, you lap it up without a single thought or question...because you're a fucking idiot.

I guess that's why there are a number of Reps that did a 180 when they discovered that they'd said something that goes against what the Boss had said previously.....look, don't be a hater because the rudder of the Republican party is a loud mouthed drug addict

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:07 pm

JMak wrote:
Such as....liar?

so you're saying that Rove, Gingrich, Cheney and Limbaugh are not the mouthpieces of the Reps? Funny, they seem to get all of the air time so somebody other than those hapless douchecanoes had better start talking for your party

Who the fuck are you talking about?

First it was these anonymous conservatives. Now it's their mouthpieces? Next will be citing some unknown idiot in Utah. You suck.

nothing anonymous about it.....Limbaugh said it on his radio program...if you'd like, I'll hook you up with the transcript...Hannity pretty much states on a daily basis that the American people should "rise up against the tyranny" that is Obama's presidency....if this isn't tap dancing close to traitorous territory, I don't know what is......

What "statement?"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907020010

"If we had any luck, Honduras would send some people up to help us get our government back"

maybe it's just me, but that sounds like Limpdick is advocating a coup against Obama.....unless of course you can spin it another way...

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:09 pm

Felix wrote:
so you're saying that Rove, Gingrich, Cheney and Limbaugh are not the mouthpieces of the Reps? Funny, they seem to get all of the air time so somebody other than those hapless douchecanoes had better start talking for your party

Well..because the left leaning media portray them to be the leaders of the GOP....and the media is pushing Palin as a presidential pick in 2012 ? Even though there is no chance in hell of that happening....of course by the time 2012 rolls around, this country could elect a real monkey to President and he would do a better job than O' Muslim is doing or will do.

What better way to start setting the stage already....The mainstream GOP does not want Palin,so the liberal media will push her as the choice in 2012..what a fucking crock of shit.. and the radio honks are just that..honks..but if the liberal media can ram the Palin shit down the country's throat already, it makes the Messiah look good, even though he is completely incompetent..

Hannity pretty much states on a daily basis that the American people should "rise up against the tyranny" that is Obama's presidency....if this isn't tap dancing close to traitorous territory, I don't know what is......

Ahh... FREE SPEECH ! Something the libtards cry about, but then let a conservative say something and it becomes treason ?? String the mother fucker up..he called for the public to rise against tyranny...he is disagree's with the MEssiah....get King George on the line...

"If we had any luck, Honduras would send some people up to help us get our government back"
maybe it's just me, but that sounds like Limpdick is advocating a coup against Obama.....unless of course you can spin it another way...

Taking the spoken word as literal and the truth is something the libtards are very good at.. so therefore it must be true.

A call to arms ?? Bwwahaaaa..Like that could happen in this day...

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:08 pm

Derron wrote:
Well..because the left leaning media portray them to be the leaders of the GOP....and the media is pushing Palin as a presidential pick in 2012 ? Even though there is no chance in hell of that happening....of course by the time 2012 rolls around, this country could elect a real monkey to President and he would do a better job than O' Muslim is doing or will do.

okay, then who would you say is the "face" of the republican party if not the above named assclowns

Ahh... FREE SPEECH ! Something the libtards cry about, but then let a conservative say something and it becomes treason ?? String the mother fucker up..he called for the public to rise against tyranny...he is disagree's with the MEssiah....get King George on the line...

go ahead and hook me up with all of the Democrats that were advocating an insurrection against Bush during his presidency....and simply saying he should be impeached isn't quite the same thing as calling for an uprising against a dutifully elected official.....

Taking the spoken word as literal and the truth is something the libtards are very good at.. so therefore it must be true.

A call to arms ?? Bwwahaaaa..Like that could happen in this day...

oh, so you're saying he was just kidding-in a "Dr. Tiller must be stopped" kind of way.....gotcha

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:05 pm

BSmack wrote:OK, my curiosity has been satisfied. JMak is Dr. Detroit.

I was thinking the same thing and your post confirms it.

Rack the return of the good Dr.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
If you think Rush Limbaugh is leading the Republican party, you have never listened to Rush Limbaugh and/or you know absolutely nothing about the Republican party.

okay, then who is the face of the Republican party?!?!?!?!?!
granted, they come off as a pretty rudderless bunch, but surely there must be somebody they can point to and call "leader"...

again, if you'd like me to hook you up with examples of republicans doing a 180 on something they said previously I'll be more than happy to oblige....

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:01 pm

Joe Biden - "We misread how bad the economy was"

During the campaign they kept stating the economy hasn't been this bad since the great depression....Sounds like a pretty good read to me. What were they reading, anyway?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:26 pm

Felix wrote: okay, then who is the face of the Republican party?!?!?!?!?!

socal · Post by **socal** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:21 am

War Wagon wrote:
BSmack wrote:OK, my curiosity has been satisfied. JMak is Dr. Detroit.
I was thinking the same thing and your post confirms it.

Rack the return of the good Dr.

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:30 am

mvscal wrote:
Felix wrote:okay, then who is the face of the Republican party?!?!?!?!?!
Who says they have one?

Exactly. If you would have asked the libtards who the face of the Libtard party was 7 months into Bush's administration, who would they have said? Obama? He was a nobody 8 years ago.

The fact some fuckstick on this board says the voice of the RNC is a radio personality who IS NOT a politician is humorous at best. The Republican party is waiting for the two minute warning before assigning that dut to someone. They know Obama and Co. will have MANY turnovers between now and next election day. RNC is just taking notes at this time. Next election will be "Mondale-like" for the Republicans.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:44 am

Felix wrote: the thing that's really troubling to me is that 2 days after he got elected, the conservatives were screaming about why it's taking so long for Obama to turn the economy around

No they weren't. Stop lying.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:47 am

IndyFrisco wrote: Exactly. If you would have asked the libtards who the face of the Libtard party was 7 months into Bush's administration, who would they have said? Obama? He was a nobody 8 years ago.

The fact some fuckstick on this board says the voice of the RNC is a radio personality who IS NOT a politician is humorous at best. The Republican party is waiting for the two minute warning before assigning that dut to someone. They know Obama and Co. will have MANY turnovers between now and next election day. RNC is just taking notes at this time. Next election will be "Mondale-like" for the Republicans.

Whether he is or he isn't is immaterial. There is a well funded effort to make it appear as if he is.

Personally, I've never been all that intrigued by Rush when I have heard him. In fact the only times I really listen to his show is when Walt Williams or Thomas Sowell fill in for him.

That being said. Notice how nobody even attempts to refute the man. All they do is whine, cry, shout out accusations (real or not).

Mark Levin is the real deal.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:53 am

Tom,

As anyone couldn't tell, I'm a conservative. That being said, I've never heard 1 second of Rush Radio. The only time I have ever heard him was when he worked for ESPN and was doing NFL talk. So some assface saying he's "the face" (read: who I follow) of the conservatives is laughable to me.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:22 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
No they weren't. Stop lying.

sure they were, obviously you weren't listening....everything he's done has been greeted with disdain and ridicule from the pitchfork and burning torch crowd who can't (or won't) recognize that it was the disastorous policies of Bush that has forced Obama to take the steps he's taken....two wars, and economy in the shitter-I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but that's what Obama was left with.

here it is, 7 months later and they're still screeching that Obama's plans aren't working, he's mortgaged the future of the country, he's taking us to socialism/communism, he's bankrupting the country, etc. etc. I know it must be pretty frustrating for Reps to recognize that they've been marginalized, but that was a mandate by the American people, not the Democrats.....the Reps have nobody but Bush to blame for the clusterfuck that is the current Republican party

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:28 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Personally, I've never been all that intrigued by Rush when I have heard him. In fact the only times I really listen to his show is when Walt Williams or Thomas Sowell fill in for him.

I haven't listened to that blowhard in a decade or so.

I will today. Mark Steyn guesthosting.

Jerkovich · Post by **Jerkovich** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:33 pm

Those numbers are on average. In my area, unemployed is reaching the 20% level and no end in sight. :doh: