Infant Baptism

[battery chucka' one]

I find it interesting how many Christians are believers in this practice. My wife and I, being evangelical/fundamentalist Christians, are not. It's astounding to me that many denominations (sup Catholics and Lutherans?) do still hold to this.

It doesn't save a soul. Baptism is for the sole purpose of publicly declaring that one accepts Christ as their Savior. Nothing else. It's done at the discretion of the believer. If they accept Christ as a child, it can be done then. If not until an adult, so be it.

In our church (as with most Evangelical churches), we dedicate babies. It's a charge to the church to be responsible to help in raising the child in a Godly manner. To properly instruct them about their Lord and Savior.

Infant baptism isn't Biblical (neither was there a commandment to baptise babies nor any applications to its necessity for Salvation in scripture). Also, as a model, Christ Himself wasn't baptised until he was thirty.

Just some thoughts.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

A retarded person can never be saved?

[battery chucka' one]

A retarded person can never be saved?

And how did you come to that conclusion?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

A retarded person can never be saved?

And how did you come to that conclusion?

Apparently, you claim:

"Baptism is for the sole purpose of publicly declaring that one accepts Christ as their Savior."

A person without full use of their faculties can never accept Christ, correct?

[battery chucka' one]

A retarded person can never be saved?

And how did you come to that conclusion?

Apparently, you claim:

"Baptism is for the sole purpose of publicly declaring that one accepts Christ as their Savior."

A person without full use of their faculties can never accept Christ, correct?

Again, how do you reach that conclusion? Just because one accepts Christ doesn't mean that they need to be baptised. It's just a ceremony. Baptism in itself saves nothing.

As for if retarded people can accept Christ, I don't know. I guess that's up to God to determine. I can't answer for it.

Are you saying that you feel that they shouldn't be able to? And, if that's what you're saying, why do you feel that way?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Just because one accepts Christ doesn't mean that they need to be baptised. It's just a ceremony. Baptism in itself saves nothing.

Then why did you even start a thread titled "Infant Baptism"? Your point would cover any baptism, adult or infant.


Are you fucking stupid or bored or a combination of both?

[battery chucka' one]

Just because one accepts Christ doesn't mean that they need to be baptised. It's just a ceremony. Baptism in itself saves nothing.

Then why did you even start a thread titled "Infant Baptism"? Your point would cover any baptism, adult or infant.


Are you fucking stupid or bored or a combination of both?

You really don't get it. I mean, if you can't understand simple points, you perhaps shouldn't be in the theology forum.

[poptart]

I basically agree with what you've said about infant baptism, chucka'.


For the 'tard, Marty, I think you tell him the Gospel as simply as possible.
Let him accept it.
It's in God's hands.

[Dr_Phibes]

Baptism or dedication, what's the difference? They're both rituals and both for the benefit of the parents involved as child or retard is incapable of input.
Why split hairs, unless it's a denominational pissing contest, this:

Infant baptism isn't Biblical (neither was there a commandment to baptise babies nor any applications to its necessity for Salvation in scripture). Also, as a model, Christ Himself wasn't baptised until he was thirty.

Sounds more like sectarian insecurity to me.

[battery chucka' one]

Baptism or dedication, what's the difference? They're both rituals and both for the benefit of the parents involved as child or retard is incapable of input.
Why split hairs, unless it's a denominational pissing contest, this:

Infant baptism isn't Biblical (neither was there a commandment to baptise babies nor any applications to its necessity for Salvation in scripture). Also, as a model, Christ Himself wasn't baptised until he was thirty.

Sounds more like sectarian insecurity to me.

The thing is, many denominations think that baptism as an infant 'seals' their child as 'saved'. It's an incredibly dangerous belief. If a parent thinks that their child is 'saved' because they had some water sprinkled over their head, then all of a sudden there is no responsibility of raising their child in a manner reverent to God. They think their child is going to heaven automatically because of baptism. Very dangerous and irresponsible. Or don't you see this?

[Felix]

If a parent thinks that their child is 'saved' because they had some water sprinkled over their head, then all of a sudden there is no responsibility of raising their child in a manner reverent to God.

what about babies that die prematurely? according to your beliefs they can't go to heaven because they're incapable of "accepting jesus" as their savior.....

how do does "god" get around this? do you suppose "god" has a special place for them, or does he simply throw them into the fiery pit....

this must pose something of a quandry for "him" because after all, he made the rules and he's the one that opted to kill the innocent baby before it ever had a chance

[BSmack]

A retarded person can never be saved?

Retards In Hell

Sounds like a punk/death metal band waiting to happen.

Oh, and I think anybody who even gets remotely riled about the idea of infant baptism is a first class moron.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Oh, and I think anybody who even gets remotely riled about the idea of infant baptism is a first class moron.

There are plenty of first class tickets available on Theology Airlines. Fly the moronic skies with Theo. Air.

Plenty of legroom and complimentary smoked almonds.

[battery chucka' one]

If a parent thinks that their child is 'saved' because they had some water sprinkled over their head, then all of a sudden there is no responsibility of raising their child in a manner reverent to God.

what about babies that die prematurely? according to your beliefs they can't go to heaven because they're incapable of "accepting jesus" as their savior.....

how do does "god" get around this? do you suppose "god" has a special place for them, or does he simply throw them into the fiery pit....

this must pose something of a quandry for "him" because after all, he made the rules and he's the one that opted to kill the innocent baby before it ever had a chance

I don't know, Felix. God is a just God. God is love. God is fair. I suggest that, if you have a question with regards, you take it up with Him. I don't have the answer nor will I presume to speak for my Lord on something I don't have knowledge. Should you ask Him, please let us know how He responds. If you choose not to ask Him, then don't.

[battery chucka' one]

A retarded person can never be saved?

Retards In Hell

Sounds like a punk/death metal band waiting to happen.

Oh, and I think anybody who even gets remotely riled about the idea of infant baptism is a first class moron.

Why do you feel that way? And who's riled about this?

[poptart]

what about babies that die prematurely? according to your beliefs they can't go to heaven because they're incapable of "accepting jesus" as their savior.....

how do does "god" get around this? do you suppose "god" has a special place for them, or does he simply throw them into the fiery pit....

this must pose something of a quandry for "him" because after all, he made the rules and he's the one that opted to kill the innocent baby before it ever had a chance

I am reminded of God's words to Job.

Job 40:2
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Job answered wisely.

Job: Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.


I'm pretty sure the Creator of the universe has it under control.

[Felix]

Job 40:2
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

what the fvck is this supposed to mean and how does it, in any way, answer the question I posed?

yeah, I'm sure god has some special clause for those that can't willingly accept jesus as their savior

[battery chucka' one]

Job 40:2
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

what the fvck is this supposed to mean and how does it, in any way, answer the question I posed?

yeah, I'm sure god has some special clause for those that can't willingly accept jesus as their savior

Rhetoric. Perhaps you should look it up.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Rhetoric.

[poptart]

Job 40:2
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

what the fvck is this supposed to mean and how does it, in any way, answer the question I posed?

It means that it's very silly for the creation to be lecturing the Creator.

yeah, I'm sure god has some special clause for those that can't willingly accept jesus as their savior

From Adam, all mankind has been separated from God.

Our eyes are not God's eyes.

Recorded in Matthew 19:14, Jesus encouraged young children to be brought to Him.

From a young age, they ought to hear the Gospel.

[Felix]

It means that it's very silly for the creation to be lecturing the Creator.
From a young age, they ought to hear the Gospel.

infants are incapable of understanding anything...but it's nice to know that when god decides that it's time for some family to be punished by delivering them up a still born baby, he wasn't taking it out on the unborn, but rather his family.....that cat is still pissed off and exercising his vengeance on a daily basis

[battery chucka' one]

It doesn't save a soul.

How the fuck would you know?

Seriously, just shut the fuck up. Every single time you bang your dickbeaters on the keyboard, you come out looking like a complete and utter dipshit.

1. John 14:6
2. This was a discussion for believers. Perhaps you shouldn't speak. Read more, post less. Perhaps you might learn something.

That is all.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Perhaps you shouldn't speak. Read more, post less. Perhaps you might learn something.

That's rather harsh. Why do you feel this way? What is going through your mind?

[battery chucka' one]

Perhaps you shouldn't speak. Read more, post less. Perhaps you might learn something.

That's rather harsh. Why do you feel this way? What is going through your mind?

Maybe rhetoric's a bit beyond your grasp. Maybe you should first acquire some reading/comprehension skills. Just a thought. M'kay?

[Mikey]

Baptism is for the sole purpose of publicly declaring that one accepts Christ as their Savior. Nothing else.

You know nothing about the Catholic faith.

Just a thought.

[Mikey]

If a parent thinks that their child is 'saved' because they had some water sprinkled over their head, then all of a sudden there is no responsibility of raising their child in a manner reverent to God. They think their child is going to heaven automatically because of baptism. Very dangerous and irresponsible. Or don't you see this?

You know less than nothing about the Catholic faith.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You know less than nothing.

FTFY

[Mikey]

You know less than nothing.

FTFY

Well, yes.

But I was trying to keep the topic focused and consistent with the subject of the theology forum.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You know less than nothing.

FTFY

Well, yes.

But I was trying to keep the topic focused and consistent with the subject of the theology forum.

So was I. It was an existential proposition. Aquinas was wrong and to hell with Aristotelians.

[battery chucka' one]

Baptism is for the sole purpose of publicly declaring that one accepts Christ as their Savior. Nothing else.

You know nothing about the Catholic faith.

Just a thought.

I know plenty about the Catholic faith. To whom do you think my original post was addressed? Atheists?

[Mikey]

Either you know nothing or you're intentionally completely mischaracterizing infant baptism in the Church.
Nothing else.
I'm still figuring it's the former.

[battery chucka' one]

Either you know nothing or you're intentionally completely mischaracterizing infant baptism in the Church.
Nothing else.
I'm still figuring it's the former.

Judging from your posts, you appear to be a former student of Catholicism. So please, enlighten us as to how they view infant baptism. Thank you in advance.

[Mikey]

Either you know nothing or you're intentionally completely mischaracterizing infant baptism in the Church.
Nothing else.
I'm still figuring it's the former.

Judging from your posts, you appear to be a former student of Catholicism. So please, enlighten us as to how they view infant baptism. Thank you in advance.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, you fucking moron.

You're obviously basing your "knowledge" on what you heard from some other equally ignorant tongue talking thumper.

Maybe you could spend 5 minutes actually researching the subject. Try a quick Google search and get back to me when you can show an even peripheral acquaintence with the subject.

[battery chucka' one]

Either you know nothing or you're intentionally completely mischaracterizing infant baptism in the Church.
Nothing else.
I'm still figuring it's the former.

Judging from your posts, you appear to be a former student of Catholicism. So please, enlighten us as to how they view infant baptism. Thank you in advance.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, you fucking moron.

You're obviously basing your "knowledge" on what you heard from some other equally ignorant tongue talking thumper.

Maybe you could spend 5 minutes actually researching the subject. Try a quick Google search and get back to me when you can show an even peripheral acquaintence with the subject.

As I worried. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Mikey]

So, you still haven't bothered to look it up.

[Terry in Crapchester]

BCO,

Along the lines of what MIkey said, read these for starters:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Infant_Baptism.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Early_T ... aptism.asp