2 Questions

[trev]

What team (if any) will Vick end up on?

Would you want him on your team?

My guess would be the Raiders, if any.

No, I would not want him on my team. Period.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

I don’t think the public is ready for this sub-human to be a part of the NFL just yet. Too may animal rights groups will protest. Teams and sponsors will feel pressure from all over the country not to let him in. He hasn't done enough yet. People won't forgive him unless he makes a big statement. Thus far, he's done nothing tangible to gain back any fans, has he? I don't think so. I don't care what "he lost." All the millions of dollars. Who cares. He's no different than any other criminal who's lost their livelihood. There will be no discussions whatsoever from the Patriots for him to join the team. None.

[poptart]

He hasn't done enough yet.

He did his time.


I don't know where he'll land, trev.

Don't think we'll see him in Oakland.
If QB was viewed as a "need" for the Raiders, I guess it could happen.
But Vick on a normally wet and sloppy field isn't that attractive.
I don't think he's really an "Al" type QB, anyway.
But he does have a big arm.
And he's a winner -- 38-28 as an NFL starter -- on Falcon teams that had pretty piss poor defenses.
The guy made plays, period.

Hole time might have taken some of the wind out of M. Vick's sails, though.
It has a way of doing that to guys.
And he's not a kid anymore, either.

[indyfrisco]

Thus far, he's done nothing tangible to gain back any fans, has he?

Dude, he's black. If that's enough to vote for someone for president, it's enough to support him to get back in the NFL.

[trev]

My guess would be the Raiders, if any.

Do you actually have a coherent thought as to why, or is this another pathetic attempt at a "Raiders are felons" joke? The convicts are in the stands sweetheart. Sorry to stab and piss on your parade.

Call it a premonition and continue your hand wringing over everything I post.


If you're havin' trouble with your head Q B
He's givin' you the blues
You wanna graduate but he’s givin’ Ja head
Here's what Al’s gotta do -
Pick up the phone
M. Vicks always home
Call him any time
Just dial
1 800 IkillK9’s hey
I lead a life of crime

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Dirty Deeds and they're Done Dirt Cheap

You got problems with your lackadaisical QB
You got a broken heart
He's double dealin' with J-Kow’s buffet
That's when the teardrops start -
Pick up the phone
Mike’s there alone
Or make a social call
Come right in
Forget about him
You’ll have yourselves a ball

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Dirty Deeds and they're Done Dirt Cheap

Electric shock, drowning, broken necks
Done Dirt Cheap
Failed drug tests, contracts, high voltage
Done Dirt Cheap

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

He hasn't done enough yet.

He did his time.

That’ s a very shortsighted view of things, pops.
Whether or not he’s able to play will be determined by the fans, sponsors, animal rights groups, etc. He’s not working in a normal industry where the public could give a darn whether or not he works for some construction company. He’s visible. Know this… any team who’s actually considering giving him a look will solicit feedback from the public before actually signing him.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Who gives a fuck?

Use your brain. They will be the ones leading the charge, creating a huge public relations nightmare for any team dumb enough to sign Vick.

[trev]

I totally agree with ucant in this thread.

I also don't think the mainstream fan is ready for Vick. You don't have to be an animal activist to find utter disgust in what he did.

[BSmack]

First off, it has to be a southern team. The deep south is where the dogfighting culture is most prevalent. It is also where groups like PETA are weakest.

Teams eliminated...

New England
Jets
Bills
Steelers
Browns
Bengals
Ravens
Colts
Chiefs
Broncos
Chargers
Raiders
Skins
Giants
Eagles
Packers
Vikes
Bears
Lions
Rams
Cards
Seahawks
9ers

Secondly, it has to be a team without an entrenched starter.

Teams eliminated

Titans
Falcons
Panthers
Saints
Cowboys
Dolphins

That leaves the following teams who are in the deep south and have issues at QB.

Bucs
Jags
Texans

Of the three, I'd lay that he'll go to the Jags, followed by the Bucs and the Texans.

[War Wagon]

He hasn't done enough yet.

He did his time.

That’ s a very shortsighted view of things.

Disagree.

While I'm no Vick apologist, the man served his sentence and deserves the opportunity to resume his trade. Now then, what he does with that opportunity is entirely up to him.

I believe in redemption and 2nd chances.

[trev]

Why does he deserve to be in NFL? If someone commits a felony, they are not entitled to resume just any job. They should have to work their way back up.

[War Wagon]

He deserves at least the opportunity, which Goodell rightly gave him. Doesn't mean any team is obligated to sign him, but they're able to do so if they think he can help make them better. It's primarily a business decision and not one of which anybody not directly involved with the situation should be overly concerned with.

But by all means, feel free to wring your hands over the possibility that a convicted felon might be able to reform himself.

Do I want him on my team? Ask me again in about 3 months after I see what Cassell is doing.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Disagree.

While I'm no Vick apologist, the man served his sentence and deserves the opportunity to resume his trade. Now then, what he does with that opportunity is entirely up to him.

I believe in redemption and 2nd chances.

I wasn't speaking about my opinion (or yours, though we're both entitled to it!) of what he deserves... I was speaking in terms of what I expect him to get. And it ain't a whole lot.

[trev]

He deserves at least the opportunity, which Goodell rightly gave him. Doesn't mean any team is obligated to sign him, but they're able to do so if they think he can help make them better. It's primarily a business decision and not one of which anybody not directly involved with the situation should be overly concerned with.

But by all means, feel free to wring your hands over the possibility that a convicted felon might be able to reform himself.

Do I want him on my team? Ask me again in about 3 months after I see what Cassell is doing.

Sorry, but Vick has always been a bad seed and he will mess up again. I find what he did about as terrible as it gets and I think a lot of people feel the same way.

[War Wagon]

Vick has always been a bad seed and he will mess up again.

You don't know that.

Maybe 18 months behind bars has changed him. Nevermind all the money he lost. Having your freedom taken away, and then getting it back... that's not something you ever want to lose again.

I can damn sure tell you he doesn't want to go back to Fort Leavenworth. I'm still scratching my head over why they sent him there in the first place. I've toured that dungeon. You don't want to be an inmate there.

I find what he did about as terrible as it gets and I think a lot of people feel the same way.

Are you one of those PETA fruitcakes? Which part of "sentence served" don't you get?

While I love my mutts, I can think of lots worse crimes than dog fighting. Apparently you think they shoulda' locked the door and threw away the key. Sorry, the prosecutor and judge didn't see it quite that way.

Bottom line is that MV is now a free man and even if he never plays another down in the NFL, I hope he turns out ok.

[trev]

M Vick isn't even sorry about what he did. It takes a special kind of person to do what he did. Obviously I hope any criminal recovers and straightens up. Vick wil not. His DNA won't allow him to. His sentence was probably fair. He paid it. Don't assume I want him locked up forever. He should be able to work at a construction job or something. Not NFL. I'm not a PETA girl. I just don't believe in cruel and inhumane treatment of any animal.

[poptart]

A few points:

1. Anyone who is in to dog fighting, and especially IN to it the way M. Vick was IN to it, is a low-life degenerate.
No doubt about it.

2. M. Vick DID offer a public apology for his actions, trev.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzytivQsPGI

3. M. Vick DID do his sentence, which was given to him through the due process of law.

4. If Vick was say, a felon sex offender, and he wanted to resume a career in an arena involving children, then no, it would make perfect sense to keep him OUT.
That is not in play here.

Vick WAS involved in gambling, however, with the dog fight operation, and the Commish could have kept him OUT of the league on that basis alone.
But the gambling had nothing at all to do with any sports league.

5. Trev, Vick could go work at a gas station, or do construction, or whatever ... as you say.
The reality is that he, unlike those "grunts," has a rare and extraordinary athletic skill that puts him in high demand.
I don't think it's the correct thing to deny a man his 2nd opportunity, provided the arena he is going back into is not endangered somehow by his presence in it.
Nobody is endangered by M. Vick playin' ball.

6. Some fans will never get past the PAST and they will never forgive or forget the pitiful actions for which M. Vick DID his time.

7. It's up to an individual owner to decide.
Is it worth the potential P.R. downer to sign M. Vick and have him suit up in your team's gear?

If someone wants to take the risk, I say, more power to 'em.

The man gave a public apology, he did his time, and he is not endangering anyone by playin' ball in the NFL.


jmo

[DallasFanatic]

Why does he deserve to be in NFL? If someone commits a felony, they are not entitled to resume just any job. They should have to work their way back up.

A felon who has served his time and is released to the free world is entitled to pursue a job that he/she is qualified for. Mike Vick certainly has the qualifications of an NFL player and is most definitely entitled to pursue any job in the NFL. Everyone in the NFL knows his history, and it will be upon their shoulders whether to hire the services of Mike Vick.

[BSmack]

Actually BSmack, the national hacks are going around saying the Steelers are most logical choice.

Chris Mortensen is a fucking retard. If the Steelers get the idea to run some wildcat formations, Dennis Dixon will be doing the job.

BTW: For those people who say that Vick has "done his time", just remember that he's still on 3 years probation. That's three years that Mike Vick has to commit to doing nothing stupid. Given his track record, would YOU want to risk your billion dollar business on Mike Vick's ability to refrain from the stupid?

[indyfrisco]

BTW: For those people who say that Vick has "done his time", just remember that he's still on 3 years probation. That's three years that Mike Vick has to commit to doing nothing stupid. Given his track record, would YOU want to risk your billion dollar business on Mike Vick's ability to refrain from the stupid?

And keep in mind, the first night he got off house arrest, what did he do? He went to a fucking strip club with Allen Iverson. Is that illegal? Nope. Does anything REALLY good happen at strip clubs? Nope. Is it an environment one who is attempting to show remorse and that he is a changed man frequents? Absolutely not. That stain is a ball of bad judgement. He WILL fail a drug test. Not sure if smoking dope is a violation of his probation, but I would guess it is.

[trev]

Didn't he find Jesus? I don't think Jesus would want him going to strip clubs anyway.

[orcinus]

As an animal-lover, I have zero use for Vick as a person. That said, the man was convicted of a crime, sentenced and served the jail time.

Now, he's not going to be dog-sitting for us on vacation any time soon, and I don't think he's rehabilitated some of those thoughts and ideals; however, I do think his debt to society has been paid.

If he's able to help an NFL team win games and fly under the morality radar in the process, then he should absolutely be given the opportunity to redeem himself. Said doorway of opportunity swings both ways, too (s'up pop). While it's not a stretch to imagine Vick falling flat on his face in the months to come, he deserves the chance to sink or swim on his own accord.

Assuming he's still got the legs and football wits about him, and he's willing to subscribe to this so-called renewed work ethic, I wouldn't mind seeing him in Kansas City at all. I think he's too far removed to ever be a franchise type player, but if he's still able to make plays, there's a value in having him able to enter a game in certain packages and directly affect the outcome.

For a team to take a chance on Vick, all that remains is a question of timing and public relations. Spun properly, any NFL club will be able to add him to the roster under a "second chance" guise, just as Jones did with Pacman in Dallas. Vick will be granted an opportunity to redeem himself and whatever NFL team signs him will reap the benefits should he succeed, and conversely can quickly cut bait should the experiment fail ... just as Jones did a season ago.

Fans will bitch and moan, but they'll ALL watch hoping to see him burn. Should he succeed, they'll also conveniently start to forget those same hard and fast opinions.

As for sponsors, they're all busy grinding out scenarios by which they can spin this into their own financial gain, and not a one will cut bait if there exists a possibility that the Vick train can pay off down the road. What is at stake is the management of risk put into play in order to roll the dice.

Whatever the result, Vick will be on such an incredibly short leash, he won't have the ability to damage a team, brand or sport again. Everyone involved will break their own arms patting themselves on the back for granting him the opportunity for redemption, and those same people won't waste a breath casting him into the fire should he stumble along the way.

Win-Win.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Vick will be on such an incredibly short leash.

Sweet. As was the rest of your take...