A close examination of race in contemporary music.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Discuss.

[Van]

I'd rather not.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I'd rather not.

I know. It's controversial, isn't it?

[smackaholic]

do they have a fried chicken version?

[Tom In VA]

I do know one thing. At least in the D.C. area, hip hop didn't take off until it started getting "gangsta". Rarely any radio play in the mid to late 80's. Save for a segment on Saturday afternoons on WDCU with DJ Frank Ski (who would play shit New York was spinning, about three months later). I used to enjoy the live mixes by Red Alert and Mr. Magic when I visited family in NJ and could pick up WBLS (?) and WKYS (?), I don't remember the call signs.

Prior to that Go Go ruled the district and the music was more of a desire to escape the brutality of the streets as opposed to glorifying it.

I believe the same held true for Rap in NYC. I recall, correct or not, prior to the West Coast - not much being about gang banging and all that. One of the appeals early rap had for me was often it was a song about the song. Take something as simple and as cool as "My Adidas", "Basketball", "Radio", "Play this Only At Night", "6 Minutes Doug E. Fresh You're On", "Fat Boys" ... you know they're down by law.

The conquest came on the mic. Not with a bullet in someone's back.

NWA, thanks.

I'm not sure "Whitey" is completely to blame for the latest round of "minstrel" show bullshit.

That being said, Nas, is out for a buck just as those he criticizes. What better way to say "Pay Attention To Me" than "Hip is gonna die, if'n y'all don be listenin' to me YO".

Lighten the fuck up Nas. It's music, dance, and a host of other silliness. It's Vaudeville 21st Century and it's almost about time when the first Hip Hop artists will be doing gigs in the Poconos, Vegas, and small venues such as the artsy fartsy outdoor "Wine and Cheese on the lawn joints" just like the big acts of the 60's and 70's are doing.



Epic Take


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[Cuda]

I'd rather not.

I know. It's controversial, isn't it?

machts nichts: in the end, a jew makes the real money on the album

[Moving Sale]

NWA, thanks.

Way to miss the point cracker.

That being said.. hip hop as been dead for years. Way to come around slowly nas.

[Tom In VA]

Way to miss the point cracker.

Racist piece of shit.

Why do you throw society under a bus to protect a racist ?

[Dr_Phibes]

Why do you throw society under a bus to protect a racist ?

I've missed the origins of this, it's like groundhog day. What did mv do to draw moving sale's ire? Must have been pretty terrible.

[Moving Sale]

Racist piece of shit.

^^Get's it... I think. :? :? :? :?

[Moving Sale]

What did mv do to draw moving sale's ire? Must have been pretty terrible.

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... 5&start=40

Enjoy.

[Dr_Phibes]

Yeah, but it's mv - he's a bit of a dick. Don't let him get to you.

Here's a trick.. imagine mv is your housecat and in your mind, call him 'big hairy catface the 3rd' or something like that. He won't be nearly so offensive then.

[Moving Sale]

I said the Army used the doctrine of constructive force to convict a drill sergeant of rape.

Lie much?
What you said in response to smackaholic was...

A 4 star general found to be banging a corporal would be court martialed, no matter how much the corporal claimed to like it.

Right about the same time as Clowntoon's escapde, a drill sergeant was court martialed and convicted of rape for consensual sex with a trainee.

I then proved that is was not consensual.

When using "constructive force" to prove a rape charge the Government must prove more than "rank disparity" because "rank disparity alone is not sufficient to constitute constructive force." So it wasn't "consensual sex", which is why he was convicted on 18 counts of rape. In fact on the count where he was charged with raping a 20-year-old former trainee from Tennessee who testified that she took a shower before intercourse, did not resist and led him to believe she wanted to have sex with him, he was acquitted.

You then threw up on your self saying I didn't read the part of the opinion THAT I HAD JUST QUOTED FROM.

You then ran like a little girl and were not heard from on the subject until today, which is almost a month later.

So the question remains...
Why did you thow the military under the bus to protect a rapist?

[Moving Sale]

That means she was not physically forced or threatened which means the act was consensual.

Why must you ALWAYS lie?

"Appellant also suggests that the instruction was deficient because it failed to focus the attention of the members on whether the alleged victims had a reasonable belief that they would be harmed or that resistance would be futile. The military judge, however, adequately addressed those concerns in the related instruction he provided on the element of force, which he gave immediately prior to the constructive force instruction:

In the law of rape, various types of conduct are sufficient to constitute force. The most obvious type is actual physical force, that is, the application of physical violence or power to compel the victim to submit against her will. Actual physical force, however, is not the only way force can be established. Where intimidation or threats of death or physical injury make resistance futile, it is said that constructive force has been applied, thus satisfying the requirement of force.
Hence, when the accused’s actions and words or conduct, coupled with the surrounding circumstances, create a reasonable belief in the victim’s mind that death or physical injury would be inflicted on her and that further resistance would be futile, the act of sexual intercourse has been accomplished by force.

The two related instructions sufficiently informed the members that force was required for the crime of rape, that it could be in the form of constructive force, and that constructive force could be brought to bear on the victim through the use or abuse of military authority that created a reasonable belief that the victim would suffer physical injury or that resistance would be futile. The military judge was not required to track literally the guidance in the Benchbook. See Bigelow, 57 M.J. at 67."

I have now answered YOUR question.

Actually you didn't.

Why did you throw the military under the bus to protect a rapist?

[velocet]

For anyone suffering a loss because of the death of hip hop, perhaps a switch to a different genre may help:





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Seriously, though. Would Bace and Vic kindly weigh in on this alleged death? I trust their expertise in the matter.






velocet

[smackaholic]

tiny vapid one,

You did infact kick your own ass. Hell, I've kicked my own ass on this board. The difference is, I recognized it and stayed down.

In this case, as in many, you not only kick your own ass, you fukking go Dr Mengele on your own ass.

You state that rank alone does not make the case. The case that mv sites was not rank alone. There was also command.

Not having ever served in the military, I guess you don't know the difference.

A recruit being asked to sukk HER drillsergeant's dick, is different from some pfc being asked to sukk the dick of some staff sergeant which is NOT IN HER CHAIN OF COMMAND.

Do you even fukking understand what chain of command means? It means you work for this fukker. It means that this fukker has input to your eval. Your eval is your fukking career!!!!!

If you don't understand this, you must really be a shitty lawyer, assuming you really are a lawyer.

I suspect that you understand it fully, but, having clinton's cock lodged in your esophagus makes you a wee bit biased on this topic.

[Moving Sale]

You state that rank alone does not make the case. The case that mv sites was not rank alone. There was also command.

And?

Not having ever served in the military, I guess you don't know the difference.

Actually I do. You can read right?

A recruit being asked to sukk HER drillsergeant's dick, is different from some pfc being asked to sukk the dick of some staff sergeant which is NOT IN HER CHAIN OF COMMAND.

And?

Do you even fukking understand what chain of command means?

Yes.

It means you work for this fukker. It means that this fukker has input to your eval. Your eval is your fukking career!!!!!

I knew that already.

If you don't understand this, you must really be a shitty lawyer, assuming you really are a lawyer.

Actually I did know that which is why I quoted the parts of the opinion I did. You know who else knew it? The Court that wrote the opinion, which is why they said what they said.

I suspect that you understand it fully, but, having clinton's cock lodged in your esophagus makes you a wee bit biased on this topic.

So what your trying to say with all this bloviating is that Monica sucked Willy's willy so she’d get a good eval on her military record?

What is it you were saying about knowing when you just assfucked yourself in the face?

[smackaholic]

You state that rank alone does not make the case. The case that mv sites was not rank alone. There was also command.

And?

Not having ever served in the military, I guess you don't know the difference.

Actually I do. You can read right?

A recruit being asked to sukk HER drillsergeant's dick, is different from some pfc being asked to sukk the dick of some staff sergeant which is NOT IN HER CHAIN OF COMMAND.

And?

Do you even fukking understand what chain of command means?

Yes.

It means you work for this fukker. It means that this fukker has input to your eval. Your eval is your fukking career!!!!!

I knew that already.

If you don't understand this, you must really be a shitty lawyer, assuming you really are a lawyer.

Actually I did know that which is why I quoted the parts of the opinion I did. You know who else knew it? The Court that wrote the opinion, which is why they said what they said.

I suspect that you understand it fully, but, having clinton's cock lodged in your esophagus makes you a wee bit biased on this topic.

So what your trying to say with all this bloviating is that Monica sucked Willy's willy so she’d get a good eval on her military record?

What is it you were saying about knowing when you just assfucked yourself in the face?

Not quite.

I don't know Monica's motivations any more than you do. Maybe she just had a crush on him. Maybe she just likes sukking cock. Maybe she thought that sukking bill's dick would be a grand slam in the networking world.

Actually, she knew that. Anyone that might dispute this fact is a moron.

Bill knew it. Bill also knew that letting her blow him could put him in a position to be blackmailed. That's a bad thing when you are the most powerful man in the fukking world. He also knew that such behavior in gubmint or the private sector is grounds for firing. But, he was thinking with his little head as guys are prone to do. He also knew that such behavior back in little rock never got him busted, so why would it now.