Les Paul, Dead at 94

socal · Post by **socal** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:08 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/arts/ ... ml?_r=1&hp

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:49 pm

Nice take dumbass.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:52 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Most important person to the musical world that has ever lived.

Guido of Arezzo died almost 900 years ago.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:07 pm

Papa Willie wrote: People like you are too fucking stupid to realize that.

Move the goalposts much? Where did I ever say this wasn't bigger than MJ's death you shit sucking tard?

Back away from the cheetos bag and the scatporn and learn to read you useless asswipe.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:47 pm

Moving Sale wrote: you shit sucking tard?

Mirror, mirror on the wall..who is the biggest tard of all ?

Sincerely,

The Kettle

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:14 am

Papa Willie wrote:Most important person to the musical world that has ever lived.
RIP, Lester.

Leo Fender was more important. Beethoven was more important. Mozart was more important. Debatably, so were Jim Marshall and Jimi Hendrix, but the sentiment is nevertheless right on.

Besides, Muddy Waters invented the 'lectric guitar...

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:25 am

Van wrote: Leo Fender was more imnportant.

And being imnportant is important eh?

Debatably, so were Jim Marshall and Jimi Hendrix, but the sentiment is nevertheless right on.

What the fuck does that even mean?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:30 am

Nice edit.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:43 am

TVO, I've met Mgo (figuratively speaking), and you, sir, are no Mgo.

Only Mgo is quick enough to nab me, pre-edit!

I always post first, then I edit it, once I see it on the board. For some reason I just don't catch my typos nearly as well, not until I see the post on the board.

What did I mean? Pretty simple. I meant that his sentiment was correct in saying that LP was a giant in the history of music. He just wasn't #1, is all.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:52 am

Van wrote: I meant that his sentiment was correct in saying that LP was a giant in the history of music.

The sentiment was that he could be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of B,B,B&M. He can't be. I get what you meant even though you don't have a good enough grasp of the English language to properly express your thoughts.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:53 am

Van wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:Most important person to the musical world that has ever lived.
RIP, Lester.
Leo Fender was more important. Beethoven was more important. Mozart was more important. Debatably, so were Jim Marshall and Jimi Hendrix, but the sentiment is nevertheless right on.

You're forgetting about Guido.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:26 am

Probably.

"Find The Pope In The Pizza?"

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:19 pm

Toddowen wrote:
Moving Sale wrote: The sentiment was that he could be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of B,B,B&M. He can't be.
B&M baked fucking beans, you pile of lowly turd.

I've no clue as to whom you're implying with any of your alphabet games, but I'll play along ....GFY, OK? T, GSABFDALYOSOOI!

My own thought is that Hank WIlliams Sr. needs to be mentioned in this thread before any other American individual is singled out for recognition as "The Greatest". It could've been anyone from any time or from any state, but it had to be Hank. He had more than a teachable talent.

I heard a sound bite from Les Paul today mentioning that anyone can play the guitar. But rythym, a sense of humor, personality....these things can't be taught. Hank had all these qualities and more. Hank was the fruit of musical Americana and this country will probably never produce a greater artist.

And if he wasn't a world class addict and had made it past his twenties, he might get on the list. But, he didn't.

Hank was definitely a talent. He probably would have been a big force in country music and probably would have crossed over into pop/rock.

Probably.

But, instead, he went and got his self dead after a handful of successful records.

As for most impotent folks in the history of music? I gotta go with good ole' tom edison in the 1 slot. You don't get to 8 track recording til somebody figures out 1 track recording. The rest of my list?

In no particular order.....

Mozart-Undisputed king of old timey classical composing.

Beethoven-Runner up to wolfgang

LP-Most important person in the history of modern recording.

Phil Spector-Did some crazy shit with what les invented, before he did other crazy shit later on.

John Lennon- Who knows what the fukk classic rock sounds like without dude.

Ray Charles-Pretty much invented R&B and fukking pwned anything he tried to do. Musical and recording genius. How the fukk does a pop/R&B black dude in 1962 decide he's gonna make an album in a genre who's audience is largely klansmen and pull it off? I don't know, but Ray did it.

Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington and the other swing big band pioneers. American popular music before these dudes was the sukk. These guys rocked long before rock.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:36 pm

well Les was far from being the most important person in the history of music, but his innovations in multiple track recording and overdubbing were pretty important to rock and roll

and man, that cat could flat out play

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:11 pm

Guido invented this (the musical staff notation), without which most of those other guys wouldn't have had a job.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:14 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Roach wrote:
Felix wrote:well Les was far from being the most important person in the history of music, but his innovations in multiple track recording and overdubbing were pretty important to rock and roll

and man, that cat could flat out play

That sets it in the right context and is accurate.

Some of the posters in this thread are showing their musical myopia *. "In the world" is a big place and just for local context here is a western / euro take at music history:

325 AD to present.

Not to mention that Asian music accounts for probably half the world's listening (compared to euro/american at maybe 8%), and their heritage goes back a lot fucking longer than 325AD.

Les Paul is one of my musical idols. I've made a living at times using his recording techniques. But there is a bigger scene out there than that.

* musical myopia. It means you have a very limited view of things, kinda like head-way-up-ass. Nice ring to it. Van ought to write a song . . .

I really should have specified more - "Popular Music" or modern music.

Music all started from some hairy fucker beating a bone on some animal's head in a repetition (more than likely). Guess you'd have to give him most of the credit. :D

Props to Stanley Kubrick

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:15 pm

1565
In Italian music, castration emerges as a way of preserving high male singing voices. St. Paul's dictum prohibited women from singing on stage and in churches. The practice becomes commonplace by 1574.

I guess jacko didn't originate this technique.

Unrack the dago that came up with this one.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:52 pm

Roach wrote: Some of the posters in this thread are showing their musical myopia *. "In the world" is a big place and just for local context here is a western / euro take at music history:

325 AD to present.

Not to mention that Asian music accounts for probably half the world's listening (compared to euro/american at maybe 8%), and their heritage goes back a lot fucking longer than 325AD.

Sure, eastern music has deep routes, but, who in the western world follows it? Pretty damn near nobody. Yet, western music from bach right through to beck is heavily followed by the gooks.

:bode:

western music.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:38 pm

mvscal wrote: Who in modern pop (R&R, jazz, blues etc) will still have a listening audience 300 years from now? Anyone?

Tony Orlando

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:30 pm

You all are seriously misinformed. The most important musical influence of the modern world are these guess out of California

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:29 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Do a little research on Les Paul... you'll note that there would be no electric guitar or multi-track recording.

Some rather flawed logic there. You're saying that if Les Paul hadn't invented the electric or solid-body guitar or MTR, no one would've. Pretty sure that's not the case. Someone woulda come along soon enough.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:03 am

Smackie Chan wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:Do a little research on Les Paul... you'll note that there would be no electric guitar or multi-track recording.
Some rather flawed logic there. You're saying that if Les Paul hadn't invented the electric or solid-body guitar or MTR, no one would've. Pretty sure that's not the case. Someone woulda come along soon enough.

What he said. It would have happened. 'lectric guitars were already around. He was just the one to figure out you could make a note last 2 weeks with a solid body. Purty smart feller for a high school drop out.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:06 am

smackaholic wrote: Purty smart feller for a high school drop out.

Smackie?

Yeah, he'll surprise you once in a while.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:58 am

Ray was not a genius songwriter. I will grant you that. His genius was taking existing material and making it better. Way better.

And yes, had ray's drug abuse put him in the ground sometime in the mid fifties, he wouldn't be in the discussion. But, it didn't.

Rack Hank for what he accomplished in a very short time, but, it was, in the end a very short time. And that fact takes him off the most impotent list. Mine, anyway.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:47 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:Do a little research on Les Paul... you'll note that there would be no electric guitar or multi-track recording.
Some rather flawed logic there. You're saying that if Les Paul hadn't invented the electric or solid-body guitar or MTR, no one would've. Pretty sure that's not the case. Someone woulda come along soon enough.

Leo Fender was working on a solid body electric guitar at the same time Les Paul was developing his, so yeah the solid body electric guitar would have come about with or without Les Paul....but, anybody that's played an early fender and an early Les Paul knows the subtle differences between the two

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:03 pm

As a musician..well, just consider--no one knows or likes any of his stuff. A weird bumblebee-in a-jar hybrid of Django Reinhardt and Lawrence Welk, it's as though any actual expression of emotion (ie, blues) was his sworn enemy. Utterly bizarre and of course unlistenable.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:08 am

Papa Willie wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Who in modern pop (R&R, jazz, blues etc) will still have a listening audience 300 years from now? Anyone?
Led Zeppelin, man. :D

Good answer, though I would've said The Beatles.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:12 am

I think I actually agree with let's turd concerning les's material.

Doesn't take away from the fact that he was a pretty talented and innovative guitar player and definitely the most impotent person of the 2oth century regarding recording.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:13 am

Papa Willie wrote: I'd agree with you on Bach, Motzart and some of those cats as well, though most modern music really draws off blues and jazz probably more than classical.

Not so fast, this cat was hugely influential to an whole array of modern musicians.

Edit: Embedding disabled by request? Fuck those Fuckers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqah1ruc ... re=related

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:59 am

War Wagon wrote:
Papa Willie wrote: I'd agree with you on Bach, Motzart and some of those cats as well, though most modern music really draws off blues and jazz probably more than classical.
Not so fast, this cat was hugely influential to an whole array of modern musicians.

Edit: Embedding disabled by request? Fuck those Fuckers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqah1ruc ... re=related

Okay, pop quiz:

Which one of this group doesn't belong, and why?

Aaron Copland

Steven Sondheim

James Levine

Leonard Bernstein

Abraham Lincoln

Michael Tilson Thomas

hmmm....

Answer: Michael Tilson Thomas, because while all are Jewish homosexuals, only Thomas was "out of the closet." :wink:

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:34 am

Shaddup LTS... as soon as you mention Jews in a thread, it's an instant karma downer. You might actually have something worth saying around here if you weren't always so pre-occupied. Just my .02.

For Buttsie, who thinks modern music wasn't primarily influenced by classical orchestrations, more evidence to the contrary.

This fucking shreds.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 pm

War Wagon wrote:Shaddup LTS... as soon as you mention Jews in a thread, it's an instant karma downer. You might actually have something worth saying around here if you weren't always so pre-occupied. Just my .02.

For Buttsie, who thinks modern music wasn't primarily influenced by classical orchestrations, more evidence to the contrary.

This fucking shreds.

Right, wagoneer, except I wasn't really talking about Jews, but rather closeted homosexuals, etc....never mind.

The Greg Lake fiasco is embarrassing, and anyone who actually paid to see that deserves a refund at least. Truly the most influential symphonic composer upon rock music was of course Wagner. And it's not a matter of a rock band actually attempting to cover one of these famous pieces, but the scope and power that Wagner realized from the full orchestra being accessible to a wall of Marshalls, a mountain of drums, and a PA system three stories high--fired in the kiln of LSD consciousness and coke-addled ego. Pink Floyd would be a perfect example. Wagner is also the most influential composer upon movie scores by a factor of a hundred or so.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:30 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Truly the most influential symphonic composer upon rock music was of course Wagner. And it's not a matter of a rock band actually attempting to cover one of these famous pieces, but the scope and power that Wagner realized from the full orchestra being accessible to a wall of Marshalls, a mountain of drums, and a PA system three stories high--fired in the kiln of LSD consciousness and coke-addled ego. Pink Floyd would be a perfect example. Wagner is also the most influential composer upon movie scores by a factor of a hundred or so.

I enjoy reading your takes once you get out of your comfort zone of bashing neo-nazis and damn sure wish you'd stay there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:55 am

Papa Willie wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:
War Wagon wrote:Shaddup LTS... as soon as you mention Jews in a thread, it's an instant karma downer. You might actually have something worth saying around here if you weren't always so pre-occupied. Just my .02.

For Buttsie, who thinks modern music wasn't primarily influenced by classical orchestrations, more evidence to the contrary.

This fucking shreds.

Right, wagoneer, except I wasn't really talking about Jews, but rather closeted homosexuals, etc....never mind.

The Greg Lake fiasco is embarrassing, and anyone who actually paid to see that deserves a refund at least. Truly the most influential symphonic composer upon rock music was of course Wagner. And it's not a matter of a rock band actually attempting to cover one of these famous pieces, but the scope and power that Wagner realized from the full orchestra being accessible to a wall of Marshalls, a mountain of drums, and a PA system three stories high--fired in the kiln of LSD consciousness and coke-addled ego. Pink Floyd would be a perfect example. Wagner is also the most influential composer upon movie scores by a factor of a hundred or so.
You sound like you're about 80.

He also sounds correct.

I also concur with WW, in that Nick would be a really decent addition to the board if he'd ever drop the one trick pony act of Jews and political conspiracies, and actually just post like a human being more often.

Dude has worthwhile things to say. It's a shame to always have to scroll by 90% of his posts, just because he can't get off the same tired subject that nobody gives a fuck about.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:27 am

War Wagon wrote: For Buttsie, who thinks modern music wasn't primarily influenced by classical orchestrations, more evidence to the contrary.

This fucking shreds.

How does a prog rock band covering a "classical orchestration" (by someone already mentioned in this thread) provide "evidence to the contrary" of anything involving "modern music"?

While Mr. Lake and his former band (which I've seen more than once) do indeed "shred," your post is fucking whack.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:42 am

Dinsdale wrote: How does a prog rock band covering a "classical orchestration" (by someone already mentioned in this thread) provide "evidence to the contrary" of anything involving "modern music"?

How should I know? Pass me that joint.

While Mr. Lake and his former band (which I've seen more than once) do indeed "shred," your post is fucking whack.

What... you didn't want your money back?

Seen 'em myself a few times and thought it a bargain.

Tarkus, Pictures at an Exhibition, good albums, great fucking band.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:33 am

War Wagon wrote:great fucking band

Whose drummer is vastly underrated. One of the great ones.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:00 am

I wouldn't say carl palmer was under rated, at least not back in the 70s. They have kind of been forgot about now that no talent shit music is in vogue. He is definitely on my top ten drummer list. Maybe top 5.

As for their cover of hoedown, it's all right, 'cept for one thing. That piece is all about syncopation as demonstrated in the orchestra youtube clip. ELP seems more intent on one speed, 'all ahead shread' and that kinda ruins it for me. Too bad, because those fukkers are talented enough musicians that they could have pulled it off. Maybe they were coked up when they did it?

edit.

whoops. I scrolled through this thread without actually looking at the clip and thought it was the elp version of hoedown.

It ain't.

See if I can find the one I thought it was.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:51 am

this is the one I thought it was. It's kinda cool, but, they need to slow it down a bit.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:44 pm

'Spray, IIRC, you were only nine years old in 1973. Tha' fuck is a nine year old kid from Georgia doing liking polite sounding prog rock??

You're nine years old! Go outside and play, you demented little Less Than Zero nutjob!

You're not supposed to start liking prog rock until you're at least in your twenties, and doing massive drugs; when turning tricks doesn't seem all that far-fetched.

(Edited, for socal.)