...making the rounds

[ChargerMike]

glassdickmaterial? hitenteranyway


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it,
signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Katy]

When it takes 3 weeks for something as simple as getting necessary blood work, I wonder how that "change" will taste for the libs that put him in office? :?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Calm down. You're not getting government health care.

You people get so exited over so little.

[Wolfman]

You're not getting government health care.
That's the idea ! Now to get rid of the inefficient tax-guzzling programs that have been built up over the years.

[MadRussian]

We are fucked

[PSUFAN]

Everything is going according to plan. Get ready for the shaft, kackpimplesuckers

[PSUFAN]

We are fucked

No one will deserve this more than you, you astonishing moron.

[PSUFAN]

Now to get rid of the inefficient tax-guzzling programs that have been built up over the years.

Word. Hear that, CIA - we're coming after YOU.

The Downfall will be chronicled here and on radio.

[MadRussian]

We are fucked

No one will deserve this more than you, you astonishing moron.

Jealousy is ruining your life, condom burping felch hobbit

[H4ever]

You're not getting government health care.

Correct. We'll be paying out the ass for it, though.

Not if recipients pay 50 cents on the dollar for what they've been paying private insurance companies. Fuck...we might pay off the deficit.


Competition to greedy mothafucks is good.

[BSmack]

Are you retarded? Maybe some recent cranial trauma or congential birth defect?

Or maybe he just realizes that we currently pay twice what countries with true public options pay for health care.

[Derron]

Are you retarded? Maybe some recent cranial trauma or congential birth defect?

Or maybe he just realizes that we currently pay twice what countries with true public options pay for health care.

And that the tax rates in those socialist "republics" are twice as much as the already too high taxes here to fund all the handouts to the lowlife, lazy ass, white, black, yellow trash that your liberal majority has allowed to take over our country.

Revolt now - vote no and vote Republican for any hope to restore "freedom" to our country, and also lets bomb the fuck out of Afghanistan so we can get the fuck out of there.

[BSmack]

Are you retarded? Maybe some recent cranial trauma or congential birth defect?

Or maybe he just realizes that we currently pay twice what countries with true public options pay for health care.

And that the tax rates in those socialist "republics" are twice as much as the already too high taxes here to fund all the handouts to the lowlife, lazy ass, white, black, yellow trash that your liberal majority has allowed to take over our country.

Not sure about you, but if my federal income taxes doubled, but my health insurance premiums, deductibles and co-payments were cut to zero, it would be a substantial net gain for me. I blame Jimmy Meds.

[JMak]

Calm down. You're not getting government health care.

You people get so exited over so little.

We thought we weren't getting renewed investigations into detainee interrogations. You know with Obama telling us, after the election, there would be no further inquiries. We thought that despite Obama and Holder telling us they intended to pursue such investigations during the campaign.

Now we have Obama, after his election, telling us there's no intent to create government health care. Yet, before and during the campaign Obama was telling us that he desired a government-controlled health care system.

But we shouldn't be at all concerned, right?

Not at all, eh?

[JMak]

Are you retarded? Maybe some recent cranial trauma or congential birth defect?

Or maybe he just realizes that we currently pay twice what countries with true public options pay for health care.

And we don't wait for months for routine treatments or even critical treatments like chemo and dialysis. Nor do we see an epidemic of women giving birth in fire trucks, elevators, or anywhere else other than a labor and delivery unit.

And where are these true public options you're talking about? Canada outlaws private hospitals and clinics, though the government is currently tolerating their operation. Does Britain similarly outlaw such private institutions?

And despite these supposed true public options, the US still enjoys better actual health care outcomes, e.g., surviving cancer.

[BSmack]

And we don't wait for months for routine treatments or even critical treatments like chemo and dialysis. Nor do we see an epidemic of women giving birth in fire trucks, elevators, or anywhere else other than a labor and delivery unit.

And where are these true public options you're talking about? Canada outlaws private hospitals and clinics, though the government is currently tolerating their operation. Does Britain similarly outlaw such private institutions?

And despite these supposed true public options, the US still enjoys better actual health care outcomes, e.g., surviving cancer.

Really? We have better outcomes? The CIA Factbook says you're full of shit.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 2rank.html

[JMak]

Yes, I said better actual health care outcomes.

You see, you're too fucking stupid to recognize that life expectancy is a poor measure of an health care system's effectiveness. Common sense should tell you that life expectancy is affected by factors not at all related to the health care system at all. But you're too stupid to have such common sense.

Now, moron, go look at data about cancer mortality like this - Survival Rates Significantly Higher in United States Than in Europe.

More?
Survival Rates for Specific Cancers. U.S. survival rates are higher than the average in Europe for 13 of 16 types of cancer reported in Lancet Oncology , confirming the results of previous studies.

You damned fool...these are actual health care system outcomes.

Why do you blind yourself to basic common sense?

[Dinsdale]

Does Britain similarly outlaw such private institutions?

No, not at all...


In fact, it's where Britons all-but have to go for any sort of significant medical procedure -- at their own expense. But they sure don't trust life-or-death shit to the cockroach-infested government hospitals.

[BSmack]

Yes, I said better actual health care outcomes.

And there is a more relevant health care outcome than how long you live?

Sorry, but just because you can cherry pick data doesn't mean it is relevant. The ultimate scoreboard is how long we are living. And every other 1st world country ON THE PLANET does it better than the US. And they do it for half the cost.

[Derron]

Not sure about you, but if my federal income taxes doubled, but my health insurance premiums, deductibles and co-payments were cut to zero, it would be a substantial net gain for me.

So you are advocating doubling Federal income taxes Comrade ?

[JMak]

Yes, I said better actual health care outcomes.

And there is a more relevant health care outcome than how long you live?

Yes, many, many others thar are more relevant.

Life expectancy is a better indicator of overall quality of life. hell, the CIA factbook cite you provided says that life expectancy is an indicator of overall quality of life and does not classify it as representative of overall health care system efficacy.

Sorry, but just because you can cherry pick data doesn't mean it is relevant. The ultimate scoreboard is how long we are living. And every other 1st world country ON THE PLANET does it better than the US. And they do it for half the cost.

Fucking moron...so do these life expectancy data account for or control of automobile deaths? Murders? Suicides? And the dozens of other non-health care system related deaths that affect the life expectancy in any nation? Of course not.

Life expectancy is a poor measure of health care system effectiveness simply because there are far too many other factors impacting life expectancy than actual health care services.

Why do you not at least acknowledge this? Your simply say-so that it is ultimate measure is meaningless and demonstrates that you have no idea what you're talking in that you're attempting to argue that deaths caused by auto accidents are in any way associated with the health care system.

In short, you're a fucking moron.

[titlover]

Yes, I said better actual health care outcomes.

And there is a more relevant health care outcome than how long you live?

Sorry, but just because you can cherry pick data doesn't mean it is relevant. The ultimate scoreboard is how long we are living. And every other 1st world country ON THE PLANET does it better than the US. And they do it for half the cost.

healthcare isn't the only influence on how long you live. personal choices such as diet, exercise, sexual habits, weather you decide to join the local MS13 chapter, if you drive like a fucking moron.

see how that might skew things a bit?

of course you don't, you're a pathetic fucking moron.

[BSmack]

Yes, I said better actual health care outcomes.

And there is a more relevant health care outcome than how long you live?

Sorry, but just because you can cherry pick data doesn't mean it is relevant. The ultimate scoreboard is how long we are living. And every other 1st world country ON THE PLANET does it better than the US. And they do it for half the cost.

healthcare isn't the only influence on how long you live. personal choices such as diet, exercise, sexual habits, weather you decide to join the local MS13 chapter, if you drive like a fucking moron.

So every other industrialized nation is chock full of people who make great life choices except for the US? Way to blame America buddy.

[H4ever]

Are you retarded? Maybe some recent cranial trauma or congential birth defect?

Knowing in advance I shall be be deemed an Onogga-lovin' fucktard with 3 extra chromosomes....I just think that if there were a government option for health insurance that directly competed with the greedy mothafucks in the private health insurance rackets, the competition would be good.

Just as you deal with a high deductible to get a discount policy.....you deal with the delays in a government programs for the discounted price.

If I'm paying 50 cents on the dollar for the same coverage (probably better) I'll deal with the delays. And just as soon as the competition plays on the market and betters and makes more affordable the private insurance....I'll switch over.

And save the worst case scenario, terminal illness, momma's gonna die waiting on care from a fed program. Same shit happens with private insurance. Their racket is to wear people down by not paying out on promised coverage. Find bullshit reasons not to pay. Bullshit reasons not to cover needed meds, treatments, and care.

Readily and rapidly collect the premium but kick, scream, bitch and moan when it's time to provide a benefit. Nice fucking racket. Something's gotta be done or this WILL be a socialist country within 20 years. Pretty sad state of affairs when working people start saying "fuck capitalism....I'm getting the shaft....let's eat the rich"

[TheJON]

Knowing in advance I shall be be deemed an Onogga-lovin' fucktard with 3 extra chromosomes....I just think that if there were a government option for health insurance that directly competed with the greedy mothafucks in the private health insurance rackets, the competition would be good.

You're as dumb as Obama and clearly don't understand business. But then again, you've proven your stupidity on these boards with each and every post you make so this is no surprise.

I laughed the first time I heard Obama tout his "it will keep these insurance companies honest" garbage. That's so fucking dumb. There are hundreds of insurers out there. They are constantly competing with each other. Adding one more plan on the market isn't going to change that. That's just stupid. In any type of business, when you've got a lot of other companies in the same line of business you've got plenty of competition.

If the government opened a new fast-food restaurant, do you think this would change McDonald's strategy anymore than when a privately owned fast-food joint opens up? This logic is just fucking dumb and you're a god damn Obama parrot that can't think for yourself.

Fucking idiots.

[H4ever]

Knowing in advance I shall be be deemed an Onogga-lovin' fucktard with 3 extra chromosomes....I just think that if there were a government option for health insurance that directly competed with the greedy mothafucks in the private health insurance rackets, the competition would be good.

You're as dumb as Obama and clearly don't understand business. But then again, you've proven your stupidity on these boards with each and every post you make so this is no surprise.

I laughed the first time I heard Obama tout his "it will keep these insurance companies honest" garbage. That's so fucking dumb. There are hundreds of insurers out there. They are constantly competing with each other. Adding one more plan on the market isn't going to change that. That's just stupid. In any type of business, when you've got a lot of other companies in the same line of business you've got plenty of competition.

If the government opened a new fast-food restaurant, do you think this would change McDonald's strategy anymore than when a privately owned fast-food joint opens up? This logic is just fucking dumb and you're a god damn Obama parrot that can't think for yourself.

Fucking idiots.

Jon=Bitch,

Affixing your perty mouth to Mvscal's crank is not going to make your legacy go away. That said, the oil companies do pretty well "competing" amongst themselves. Should Wal-Mart ever be allowed to get into buying, refining, and selling....you know the drill. The whole Middle East would be Wal-Mart's bitch the same way Proctor and Gamble is.

[poptart]

The U.S. government can't run anything without taking it into red ink, and a LOT of it.

This has been demonstrated time-and-again.

The Obama slurps who buy into the universal health care fantasy are laffable ijits.

It's really very pathetic to see.


U.S. health care desperately needs torte reform.

Slice the parasitic lawyers out of the equation and health care can comfortably be provided to CITIZENS in the private sector.

[H4ever]

The U.S. government can't run anything without taking it into red ink, and a LOT of it.

This has been demonstrated time-and-again.

The Obama slurps who buy into the universal health care fantasy are laffable ijits.

It's really very pathetic to see.


U.S. health care desperately needs torte reform.

Slice the parasitic lawyers out of the equation and health care can comfortably be provided to CITIZENS in the private sector.

^^^^ Have to agree with that. 5 years of red ink to shape shit up might be worth it. There's nothing more emotional for a family than busting ass all their lives and getting bent over and fucked by the health care/health insurance industries in a time of need.

My point is.....shit like that is one of the reasons socialists are getting all the run in both houses and in the white house. People want ANYTHING besides what the fuck is going on. It's gotta stop before this country loses it's soul.

[Fat Bones]

[quote=husker4eva]And save the worst case scenario, terminal illness, momma's gonna die waiting on care from a fed program. Same shit happens with private insurance. Their racket is to wear people down by not paying out on promised coverage. Find bullshit reasons not to pay. Bullshit reasons not to cover needed meds, treatments, and care.

Readily and rapidly collect the premium but kick, scream, bitch and moan when it's time to provide a benefit. Nice fucking racket. Something's gotta be done or this WILL be a socialist country within 20 years. Pretty sad state of affairs when working people start saying "fuck capitalism....I'm getting the shaft....let's eat the rich"[/quote]

There is that.
[quote=poptart]The U.S. government can't run anything without taking it into red ink, and a LOT of it.

This has been demonstrated time-and-again.

The Obama slurps who buy into the universal health care fantasy are laffable ijits.

It's really very pathetic to see.


U.S. health care desperately needs torte reform.

Slice the parasitic lawyers out of the equation and health care can comfortably be provided to CITIZENS in the private sector.[/quote]

That tick is dug in deep. I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen until lawyers hang from the city gates first.

[Terry in Crapchester]

You're not getting government health care.
That's the idea !

Just as long as the government stays out of your Medicare, eh, Wolfie?

[smackaholic]

There was some dude on TV a few weeks back talking about the health care mess and he had an interesting thought. He said that health care insurance needs to be treated like life insurance. If you buy life insurance at 25, it's dirt cheap. This is because the insurance company realizes that they will receive their jack and not likely pay it out for a long time. Buy it at 55 and you're gonna pay way more.

He said that if they had long term healthcare insurance contracts, the same would apply. It would give an actual financial incentive for healthy young people to get in the system. In our current system, young bulletproof mofos have absolutely no incentive to join. They are healthy. They are unlikely to need major coverage and if they do, so fukking what. They generally don't have much in the way of financial access to protect, so why bother.

And don't anyone even bother with the claims that they won't receive care if they can't pay. That shit might be true in some third world shithole, but, here, everyone gets the care. And they get it faster and better than anyone in the world.

So, it comes down to one simple fukking question. How do you get low riskers to join the insurance pool, thereby reducing premiums for others already in the system? There are 2 ways. Tax the fukk out of everybody (and there are ways around that such as the under the table economy) or you could try the other way. Give folks a financial incentive to do so.

[JMak]

So every other industrialized nation is chock full of people who make great life choices except for the US? Way to blame America buddy.

Way to completely miss the guy's point...but that's what you do when you've lost the argument.

I just think that if there were a government option for health insurance that directly competed with the greedy mothafucks in the private health insurance rackets, the competition would be good.

Well, first, such a public option would never compete, directly or otherwise, with private insurers. For example, the US Pist Office does not compete with UPS and FedEx. It's not competition when the government-subsidized "option" can operate at a loss. Just as there will not be competition between a public option insurance plan and private insurers because like all government programs, the government will have advantages likem for example, having the IRS collect its premiums while private insurers have to cover this themselves (this is one reason why Medicare appears cheaper to run administratively then pruivate insurance).

Second, the government is right now in the way of increasing competition as state governments prohibit out-of-state insurers from selling insurance in their state. For example, an insurance firm based in Indiana is prohibited by law from selling insurance in Michigan until that insurance firm ets up shop here in Michigan. This is repeated all across the country.

Competition is good and despite 1500+ federal and state regulations there is all kinds of competition among insurers.

Find bullshit reasons not to pay. Bullshit reasons not to cover needed meds, treatments, and care.

Sorry, but no insurer is obligated to pay for treatments not covered by the insurance plan paid for by the subscriber.

[JMak]

My point is.....shit like that is one of the reasons socialists are getting all the run in both houses and in the white house. People want ANYTHING besides what the fuck is going on. It's gotta stop before this country loses it's soul.

Your point is wrong then. Voters didn't go to the polls last year to elect socialists intent on socializing health care. Second, check the current polls. Obamacare is tanking badly and taking Obama's popularity with it.

[BSmack]

My point is.....shit like that is one of the reasons socialists are getting all the run in both houses and in the white house. People want ANYTHING besides what the fuck is going on. It's gotta stop before this country loses it's soul.

Your point is wrong then. Voters didn't go to the polls last year to elect socialists intent on socializing health care. Second, check the current polls. Obamacare is tanking badly and taking Obama's popularity with it.

Nice lie. Where Obama's popularity has sagged is in direct contrast to his apparent willingness to sell out the public option.

[JMak]

No lie, dunce. Obamas popularity has been tanking throughout the Obamacare "debate" and its done so precisely because the people see through Obamas bullying and lying.