let's go Fresno!

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:41 pm

You probably need to root for BYU to lose as well. But at least TCU has the ability to help itself in that regard.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:56 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Boise State is not the 10th best team in college football.

Go Bulldogs!

dude, what's with your absolute hatred of Boise State

they're a good football team whether you like it or not

playing at Fresno is always tough and the Bulldogs have a lot of weapons....they're definitely different from the Fresneck teams Boise has played in the past

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:08 pm

LSU is overrated too so I think it's hilarious an LSU fan is crying about Boise State being ranked so high. LSU was a mediocre team last year and hasn't proven shit this year so far. It's an absolute joke they're even ranked. Its based on reputation. Come on Jsc, Boise is a good football team. What more does this program have to prove? They've beaten quality BCS conference programs and won a BCS Bowl. Boise State is far less overrated than LSU so instead of complaining about where they're ranked, thank the good lord your program is ranked where they are 100 percent due to past success and not because they're actually a good team. Let's start giving these mid-majors some props. They can play some pretty damn good football too. The arrogance of some sports fans amazes me.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:16 pm

They can't control how weak their conference is. They play quality opponents OOC and fare very well. They win bowl games. They play their schedule. College football is changing and arrogant a-hole fans need to get used to it. Mid-majors are becoming competitive against major conference teams.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:22 pm

You don't think a program like Boise wouldn't love to join a major conference and make the money these BCS teams make? You can't have 30 team conferences. BYU, for example, has scheduled Oklahoma and FSU on their non-conference slate. What more do you want from them? Heck, you can win the Big-12 without beating 1 quality opponent until the conference championship game. Take down the entire North and go 2-1 vs the South while dodging OU or Texas and then pull off an upset in the championship game. Play 4 weak non-conference opponents and you're 12-1 playing in the BCS. There isn't a conference in the country Boise State wouldn't end up with at least 9 wins if they were in that conference. 4 wins OOC plus. 5-3 or 6-2 conference record. SEC, Big-10, etc. There aren't more than a few teams in ANY conference better than them. I know Miss St, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee are just awesome football teams and all......

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:37 pm

SS wrote:They wouldn't qualify for a bowl if they played in a real conference.

More than half of all D1 teams go to a bowl game each season. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure Boise St would at least go 6-6 and qualify for a bowl, no matter what conference they were in.

With their schedule though, no, they don't deserve to go to a BCS bowl. Beating Oregon at home in the season opener as their only game is not enough to deserve a BCS bowl.

What more do they need to do? Pretty simple. They need to get out of the WAC and into the MWC, then they need to run the table.

I won't have a problem with BYU getting in. Their schedule is tougher than that of many teams from BCS conferences.

Boise? They have Oregon, a marginally tough game at Fresno, and ten full-on creampuffs. Ten!!

Oh, and yes, that includes Nevada, Felix. If you get curbstomped and shut out by ND, you're a fucking creampuff.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:09 pm

TheJON wrote:They play quality opponents OOC

Bless you, kind sir.

Sin,
UC Davis

They play in a shitty conference with three marginally decent teams (including themselves), and they schedule UC Davis?

Really?

I feel for their cause, being an overachieving team in a shitty conf., but sorry -- you put UCD on your schedule (despite UCD's showing against Stanfurd a couplefew years ago... and despite the fact one of my oldest, closest buds is a UCD grad)...

And I have no sympathy for what happens when it comes time to pick BCS Bowl teams.

Fuck them. Fuck Florida, and anyone else who puts a 1-AA on the sched.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:33 am

Jsc810 wrote:
What I do care about is this:

Sept. 3, 2009 Oregon W 19-8
Sept. 12, 2009 Miami-OH W 48-0
Sept. 18, 2009 at Fresno State
Sept. 26, 2009 at Bowling Green
Oct. 3, 2009 UC Davis
Oct. 14, 2009 at Tulsa
Oct. 24, 2009 at Hawaii
Oct. 31, 2009 San Jose St.
Nov. 6, 2009 at Louisiana Tech
Nov. 14, 2009 Idaho
Nov. 20, 2009 at Utah State
Nov. 27, 2009 Nevada
Dec. 5, 2009 New Mexico St.

Sorry, I just don't think that is sufficient to earn a BCS spot, no matter what they do with that schedule.

If they want to play in a big time bowl, then they need to play big time teams in the regular season.

you play the hand your dealt...I've gone on ad nausea about BSU playing in a shitty conference and that they've tried to get out to no avail....our athletic director is one of those guys that likes a home and home and there are a lot of bigger teams that don't want to buy off on it....I can't say that I blame them, there's not much to win and everything to lose from them taking a game at Boise State, but Bleymeier's (AD) philosophy is "why should we not share in some of that revenue)....hell, we couldn't even cover most of the bigger BCS teams traveling expenses to come to Boise...until Bleymeier changes his way of thinking, we'll probably continue to play a pretty lame (in SOS terms) schedule.....

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:36 am

Van wrote: Oh, and yes, that includes Nevada, Felix.

I'd have never thought Nevada would so ineffectual against what's apparently a so-so (and I think that's being generous) Notre Dame team.....

but even you admitted that Nevada showed you something

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:44 am

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:11 am

Crazy fuckin' game. How many 50+-yard runs from scrimmage have there been so far?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:20 am

No you weren't. Their D looks like swiss cheese.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:31 am

You're way too easily impressed then. Boise is living off enormous errors by Fresno, while their D is giving up ridiculous chunks to Fresno.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:56 am

Looks like the "Neck" is coming back on #10.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:58 am

my bad....

48 to 35 in the Valley....

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:41 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:None of these so-called "BCS busters" are gonna be playing in the national title game, Chip. No need to worry about them at all.

I think he's more concerned with the possibility of TCU taking care of business in conference but still being shut out of the BCS picture. Could happen, if Boise runs the table.

Although they could cost a quality team a spot in another BCS game, who cares? Bama fans were hoping to play Texas last year and then had to endure getting the shit kicked outta them by Utah. The bowls will demand these "BCS busters" be eliminated from consideration soon 'cause fans of the bigger conference teams don't travel as well to the games against the likes of BSU, Utah, etc. Nobody gave a rat's ass about playing Utah. (Apparently including the team).

Money rules.

I suppose anything is possible, but IIRC, the changes to the BCS were motivated in large part by the fact that the non-BCS schools were threatening an antitrust lawsuit against the BCS. If that's the case, why reverse course now?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:41 pm

Van wrote:while their D is giving up ridiculous chunks to Fresno.

I'll be honest here, in 30+ yrs. of watching BSU play, I've never-ever seen anything like that....69, 60, and 68 yard rushes for TD's with 234 yards total rushing by one guy is a disaster....

same fucking play every time....piss poor tackling, but I'll give Matthews the credit he deserves, once loose, that cat can flat out fly....Kyle Wilson is one of the fastest guys on BSU's team...on one of those runs, Matthews had about a 6 yard lead with 45 yards to go and Wilson couldn't catch the guy til he hit the endzone

I'm going to chalk that game up as an anomaly for the defense

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:35 am

Papa Willie wrote:I don't know if I've ever seen two teams display "abortion defense" in such a manner, but there you have it.

Btw, JON - LSU's not that bad. I think it's safe to say that now. They ass-kicked Washington in their house - something USC couldn't do.. :wink:

If by "ass kicked", you mean "were lucky to win". then yeah, they ass kicked them.

Being a shit team and beating USC is nothing to brag about. There's a team that does that every year. Just happened to be U-Dub this year. And this is not a great USC team. Don't get me wrong, Washington has clearly made strides this year but they'll still finish with a 5-7 record. I guarantee it.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:44 am

Papa Willie wrote:Btw, JON - LSU's not that bad. I think it's safe to say that now. They ass-kicked Washington in their house - something USC couldn't do.. :wink:

The fat fuck is too stupid to realize what happend in the game...

The FACTS:

Team Stat Comparison

1st Downs 17 25
Total Yards 321 478
Passing 172 321
Rushing 149 157
Penalties 3-35 11-83
3rd Down Conversions 5-10 11-19
4th Down Conversions 0-0 1-1
Turnovers 1 2
Possession 23:08 36:52

Washington ASS-POUNDED LSU.... on the field.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:52 am

Jsc810 wrote: Just as a reminder, TCU beat Boise State in a bowl game last year.

yeah, by a walloping 1 point....one of the better bowl games last year
two top tier mid-levels that basically beat the shit out of each other for 60 minutes....

don't look now JSC, but Boise moved up to 8th in the polls....

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:14 pm

Jsc810 wrote:That's nice, Felix.

Have fun with your delusion that Fresno is the 8th best team in the country.

Fresno is not the 8th best team in the nation, Boise State is! :D

I'd suggest you should do is start writing sternly worded letters to all of the people that vote in the poll and tell them their making a big mistake putting BSU 8th....just tell them that every SEC team should hold a place in the top 25 poll.....

you might get some traction

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:41 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Boise couldn't finish in the top 8 of the SEC.

And you're making a strong run for '09 board bitch.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:50 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Boise couldn't finish in the top 8 of the SEC.

Like I said, enjoy your delusion.

Boise > Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Miss State, Allbarn, and Arkiesaw at the very least.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:37 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Two of the worst defenses I've ever seen.

Almost as pitiful as Georgia and Arkansas.

Werd.

Sorry to say it, BSHs, but the SEC ain't so good this year.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:10 am

Actually Sam, if I wasn't "quick slapping" posts at that time, I definitely would have added something like "Florida and Bama rock, and nothing has happened to sell me on the rest."

Or something like that.

From what I've watched of the SEC, which isn't as much as I'd like, but done my best -- the lack of D for much of the conference almost shocks me. The Meatgrinders usually like to put superfreaky large jocks all over the D, but they don't seem to be getting it done like they have in the past.

On a sidenote -- Mallett looked pretty darn sharp against GA, but the pussbag needs to step up and take a hit for the team every once in a while.

Jury is still out on Auburn.

Maybe LSU will look better as they gain experience (Sin, Marcus... but you know what I mean), and look better that the team that barely Vanned past the Fuskies.

Haven't really watched Miss, but I'm told by almost-reliable sources they ain't all that. I'll figure it out on my own, one way or another, eventually.

The rest... yeah, whatever.

But the MeatGrinderConference just isn't all that impressive beyond the two big dogs, unlike most years in the recent... ever.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:24 am

Let's just keep a little something in mind here...

Florida has played three games. Two of them were fake games which they somehow get to count on their W-L schedule. The other was a meh win against a team which lost at home the previous week to punchless UCLA.

Oh, and all three of Florida's games were at home.

So, Florida hasn't done anything yet.

Bama has played two corpses at home, and their other game was a de-facto home game against the perenially overrated and always offensively inept Hokies, a team which never met a big game it wouldn't lose.

Between these two teams they've yet to play a road game.

So, how many other teams out there would've also looked good with those schedules, especially Florida's?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:19 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Boise couldn't finish in the top 8 of the SEC.

Like I said, enjoy your delusion.

good fucking keyrist you're a dolt

now listen to this ONCE AGAIN so that I don't have to repeat it AGAIN

BOISE STATE COULD NOT COMPETE WEEK-IN AND WEEK-OUT IN MOST BCS CONFERENCE'S AND ENJOY THE KIND OF SUCCESS THEY'VE HAD PLAYING IN THE WAC CONFERENCE....now, does that sound even slightly delusional?

the top level teams of most BCS conferences are filled with players that are just too big, too fast, and too strong for Boise State to compete on a week in-week out basis....the physicality of those conferences would eventually take their toll, and Boise State just doesn't possess the kind of depth teams like Florida, Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Cal, USC, tOSU possess...does that sound delusional in any way?

nobody is arguing the FACT that BSU plays in an extremely weak conference....nobody is arguing that Boise State would probably not have a winning record IF they played in the SEC....nobody is arguing that BSU would probably not break .500 IF they played in the Pac 10....nobody is arguing that they'd probably finish third at best IF they played in the ACC....nobody is arguing that they'd be lucky to finish in the top 3 IF they played in any of the "Big" conferences....is that delusional?

BUT, on any given day (note this is not week in week out, but on any given day), Boise State could probably stay with (notice I'm saying stay with, not saying they'd necessarily beat) almost any team in the country (Florida and Texas being the obvious exceptions) and it's apparent that the people that vote in the college polls also believe that, and that's why the Associated Press and USA polls have them ranked 8th in the nation, and why virtually every poll has them in the Top 10....ON ANY GIVEN DAY being the optimal phrase here....

get it yet?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:42 pm

Jsc810 wrote: By your own admission they're not a top tier team.

where did I say that?

I said they're ranked in the top 10 because they could compete on any given day with any of the top 10 teams, save for probably Florida and Texas....

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:03 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Just a few posts above, you agreed that Boise wouldn't be in the top half of the SEC or the Pac 10.

The SEC and the Pac 10 together have 22 teams, so if half of them are better than Boise, plus some other teams from other conferences, well you just might come to the conclusion that Boise really doesn't belong being ranked in the top 10.

Half of them aren't better than BSU on a given day

are you purposely being obstinate or are you just stupid

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:27 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Enjoy your delusion, Felix. :D

Hey maybe if they go undefeated and then win their bowl game, then you can claim that Boise should be national champs. That would be cool. I hope they do that, just for you.

If I were to employ your "logic", Utah had absolutely no business kicking the living shit out of Alabama last year...

seriously, is it hard to breathe having your head stuck that far up your ass

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Go ahead, compare Utah's schedule with Boise's, and report back to the class with your data.

why would that be relevant at all?
the question I want you to answer is

how do you think Utah would have faired in the SEC last year? the Pac-10?

and "not bad" is not a response-I'd like you to break it down and explain your reasoning...

think about what you say before you hit the submit button

btw, if you think the Mountain West is some sort of powerhouse conference, you're even dumber than I thought...other than Utah, BYU and TCU, the MWC sucks monkey cack

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:57 pm

Well, I know where I'd put my money in any Va Tech-Boise bowl game match up - and it wouldn't be on Va Tech.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:10 am

Felix wrote: the question I want you to answer is

how do you think Utah would have faired in the SEC last year? the Pac-10?

and this is your response?

Jsc810 wrote:Teams like USC, Ohio State, and Virginia Tech have lost a game and are ranked lower than Boise.

funny shit bro :( no really, that's bordering on sig material right there

but I'll give you credit for avoiding the trap you set for yourself....

okay lets see, we have coaches, sports writers and sports broadcasters on one side....

and a muddled SEC honk on the other side

eh, tough choice but I think I'm going to have to go with professionals...sorry dude, maybe next time

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:54 am

Felix wrote:you play the hand your dealt...I've gone on ad nausea about BSU playing in a shitty conference and that they've tried to get out to no avail....

You might have to run that one by me again, then. If what you're saying is true, I missed it the first time around.

I get why Boise can't get into a BCS conference (not directly, anyway -- more on that later). I really do.

What I don't get, though, is why Boise can't get into the MWC. Seems to me that Boise would be a natural for the MWC, both competitively and geographically (in the latter case, moreso than TCU, anyway). Let's not forget, last year the BCS was reevaluating its automatic bids, so the timing would have been perfect to invite Boise. You have Utah (been to the BCS twice), BYU (close but no cigar), TCU (ditto -- TCU would've been in the BCS both in 2000 and 2005 had the current BCS rules existed back then) already onboard, so adding Boise would give the conference additional strength.

Also, if the concern is that the bottom of the MWC is too weak, adding Boise would give the MWC ten teams. That would allow the MWC the flexibility of cutting loose two of its three weak sisters (San Diego State, UNLV or Wyoming), if that's what was necessary to make it more attractive to the BCS for an automatic bid.

So why is it that Boise isn't in the MWC yet?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:03 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Felix and Jsc,

Ever the diplomat, I offer my services in this misunderstanding between y'all.

it's obvious from your post there was no "misunderstanding"....you understood exactly what I was saying as you've reiterated my exact points....apparently it's the SEC honk that's having difficult time grasping what I was saying...Boise State is ranked 8th because on any given day they could give most teams in the top 10 a game....

I've said that on a week-in week-out basis, they'd be lucky to finish .500 in most of the BCS conferences-that's a theoretic that we'll never know because it's not going to happen in the forseeable future.....insofar as BSU being in the MWC, 2 or 3 years ago the MWC were contemplating invitations to both TCU and BSU into the conference....the opted to take only TCU and their justification for it was that it's much easier to establish a schedule for a league with an even number of teams (10-12) than it is a league with odd number of members-BSU would have made it an 11 team league and the scheduling would have been a nightmare, so I see their point...personally, I think they made a big mistake in not taking BSU, but hopefully that will be something they can rectify in the future.....a league with Utah, BYU, TCU and BSU could make a much stronger argument for being considered for a BCS conference designation with BSU in the fold

insofar as BSU competing with the top 2 or 3 teams, I think both Florida and Texas would run roughshod over Boise....but after those two teams, I think ON A GIVEN DAY, Boise could stay with all the others

Jsc810 wrote:
I'm just saying mid-pack teams shouldn't be ranked in the top 10 and they shouldn't be in BCS bowls.

then again, what you're saying here is that Utah (which is a mid-level team) had no business kicking the shit out of Alabama last year.....

if you don't see the contradicitons of this statement dude, you're fucking hopeless

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:00 pm

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Felix wrote:insofar as BSU being in the MWC, 2 or 3 years ago the MWC were contemplating invitations to both TCU and BSU into the conference....the opted to take only TCU and their justification for it was that it's much easier to establish a schedule for a league with an even number of teams (10-12) than it is a league with odd number of members-BSU would have made it an 11 team league and the scheduling would have been a nightmare, so I see their point...personally, I think they made a big mistake in not taking BSU, but hopefully that will be something they can rectify in the future.....a league with Utah, BYU, TCU and BSU could make a much stronger argument for being considered for a BCS conference designation with BSU in the fold

If I'm not mistaken, the MWC with TCU in it currently has nine teams:

Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
New Mexico
San Diego State
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

So Boise State would make the 10th member. As far as scheduling goes, nine teams is probably easier than ten, in that nine offers a full round-robin with eight conference games (four home, four away). With a tenth team, you're in a situation where either you add a ninth conference game, a la the Pac-10, which results in unbalanced home/away conference scheduling, or you keep the eight-game conference season and every team skips one of the others every year, which creates some potential problems with competition. I guess I can see this point. But Boise brings too much to the table for the MWC not to consider them strongly. The alternatives as I see it, are as follows:

1. Try to get to 12 teams (would probably require invites to Fresno State and Hawai'i as well); or
2. Drop one or two of the conference's weak sisters (San Diego State, UNLV and Wyoming).

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:25 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Sam, Alabama lost to Utah primarily for the same reason that Oklahoma lost to Boise before that --- a big powerful program was dissapointed to be stuck playing in a bowl game against lesser competition.

SECnology at work -- the team that beat them on the field is still "lesser."

And people wonder why we make fun of Southerners?

How about the idea that SEC, PAC, B12, etc. teams get the crap beat out of them by bigger, stronger athletes who generally tend to opt for the BCS conference schools, and the midmajors play at least 9-10 of their games against similarly theoretically-smaller/weaker teams in the mid-majors, thus reducing the fatigue and injuries that accumulate over a bigboy schedule?

Nah, must be that those underachieving SEC kids don't want to use that BCS bowl as a showcase to make millions in the NFL because they were dissapointed to only be playing Utah in a BCS bowl.

Do you actually ever listen to yourself before you type this shit?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:12 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Sam, Alabama lost to Utah primarily for the same reason that Oklahoma lost to Boise before that --- a big powerful program was dissapointed to be stuck playing in a bowl game against lesser competition

yeah, thats the reason....I'm almost positive the term "disappointment" came up numerous times during the coaches pre-game sppech

As if Utah and Boise are in the same class as Alabama and Oklahoma.

why do you keep ~~lying~~ insisting that anybody has alluded to anything of the sort

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:14 pm

Van wrote:
SS wrote:They wouldn't qualify for a bowl if they played in a real conference.
More than half of all D1 teams go to a bowl game each season. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure Boise St would at least go 6-6 and qualify for a bowl, no matter what conference they were in.

With their schedule though, no, they don't deserve to go to a BCS bowl. Beating Oregon at home in the season opener as their only game is not enough to deserve a BCS bowl.

And...what happened when Boise State made it into the BCS bowl series despite playing a schedule that doesn't deserve BCS consideration?

In other words, despite playing a weak-assed schedule and despite getting no props at all, Boise State not only manages to hang with and beat Oklahoma, they also dropped 40+ points. Hence, I ain't impressed your argument that their schedule should keep them out.

JCS810 wrote:As if Utah and Boise are in the same class as Alabama and Oklahoma. Right.

Well, apparently, on those nights...Utah and Boise State outclassed both Bama and OU. And your nonsense that Bama and OU couldn't nut up for those games...sounds like Van's whining about USC getting pinched by Stanford. You mean to tell me that simply avoiding getting beat by Utah/Boise State was not enough motivation? Puhlease. You'd have us believe that the players from Bama and OU don't feel at all embarrassed that they chumped it against these allegedly inferior teams.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:29 pm

Jsc810 wrote:Teams like USC, Ohio State, and Virginia Tech have lost a game and are ranked lower than Boise.

Therefore, Boise is better than those teams.
Therefore, Boise deserves to be in a better bowl game than those teams.

USC has played
San Jose State
tOSU
Washington

tOSU has played
Navy
USC
Toledo

VaTech has played
Bama
Marshall
Nebraska

Boise State has played
Oregon
Miami (OH)
Fresno State

Based on games played and results does Boise State fare so much worse than these teams? No.