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On his 99th birthday, 99 things about John Wooden
To commemorate the legendary coach's birthday, here are some facts and figures about his life.
By Mike Penner

1:44 AM PDT, October 14, 2009

In honor of John Wooden's 99th birthday, here are 99 things you may, or may not, know about the legendary former UCLA basketball coach:

1. He was born in Martinsville, Ind., on Oct. 14, 1910.

2. Wooden led Martinsville High to the Indiana state title in 1927 and runner-up finishes in 1926 and 1928.

3. As a boy, one of his role models was Fuzzy Vandivier of the Franklin Wonder Five, a basketball team that dominated Indiana high school basketball from 1919 to 1922.

4. He was a three-time high school all-state selection.

5. Wooden met his future wife, Nell Riley, at a carnival in July 1926.

6. They married in a small ceremony in Indianapolis in August 1932. Afterward, they attended a Mills Brothers concert to celebrate.

7. Wooden and Nell were married 53 years before Nell's death in 1985.

8. After high school, Wooden enrolled at Purdue, where he won varsity letters in basketball and baseball his freshman year and earned All-American honors as a guard on the basketball team in 1930-32.

9. He was a three-time consensus All-American.

10. Wooden was captain of Purdue's basketball teams in 1931 and 1932 and led the Boilermakers to two Big Ten titles and the 1932 national championship.

11. While playing basketball at Purdue, Wooden was nicknamed "the Indiana Rubber Man" for his dives on the hardcourt.

12. Wooden is noted for his philosophical quotes about life and sportsmanship, such as: "Failure is not fatal but failure to change might be."

13. After college, he spent several years playing professionally with the Indiana Kautskys (later the Indianapolis Jets), Whiting Ciesar All-Americans and Hammond Ciesar All-Americans while teaching and coaching in high school.

14. During one 46-game stretch, he made 134 consecutive free throws.

15. His first coaching job was at Dayton High in Kentucky.

16. In his first year, the team went 6-11, his only losing record as a coach.

17. Wooden went on to coach basketball, baseball and tennis at South Bend Central High in Indiana and taught English for nine years. His 11-year high school coaching record was 218-42.

18. World War II interrupted his coaching career and he was a lieutenant in the Navy from 1943 to 1946.

19. Following his discharge in 1946, he went to Indiana Teachers College (now Indiana State University) as athletic director, basketball and baseball coach for two seasons before moving to UCLA.

20. At Indiana State, Wooden also coached baseball, served as athletic director, taught and completed his master's degree in education.

21. Another quote from Wooden: "Learn as if you were to live forever; live as if you were to die tomorrow."

22. In 1947, Wooden's basketball team won the Indiana Collegiate Conference title and received an invitation to the NAIB tournament in Kansas City. Wooden refused the invitation, citing the NAIB's policy banning African American players. A member of the Sycamores' team was Clarence Walker, an African American from East Chicago, Ind.

23. In 1948, the NAIB changed its policy and Wooden led Indiana State to another conference title.

24. That same year, Wooden guided his team to the NAIB final, losing to Louisville -- the only loss by a Wooden team in a college championship game.

25. Wooden was inducted into the Indiana State Athletic Hall of Fame on Feb. 3, 1984.

26. His top salary while coach at UCLA was $35,000.

27. Wooden turned down an offer to coach the Lakers from owner Jack Kent Cooke that may have been 10 times what UCLA was paying him.

28. The record Wooden is the most proud of? His Bruins teams won 19 conference championships.

29. Wooden's name was inscribed on Purdue's academic honor roll and he was awarded the 1932 Big Ten Conference medal for outstanding merit and proficiency in scholarship and athletics.

30. He was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame both as a player (class of 1961) and as a coach (1973). He was the first person ever enshrined in both categories, later joined by Bill Sharman and Lenny Wilkens.

31. Another quote from Wooden: "The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team."

32. At UCLA, Wooden became known as the "Wizard of Westwood," though he disliked the nickname.

33. He gained lasting fame with UCLA by winning 664 games in 27 seasons and 10 NCAA titles during his last 12 seasons.

34. Wooden's UCLA teams won seven consecutive NCAA championships from 1967 to 1973.

35. His UCLA teams had a record winning streak of 88 games and four 30-0 seasons.

36. His Bruins also won 38 straight NCAA tournament games and a record 98 straight home games at Pauley Pavilion.

37. In 1967, he was named the Henry Iba Award USBWA college basketball coach of the year.

38. In 1972, he was honored as Sports Illustrated magazine's Sportsman of the Year.

39. Wooden coached his final game at Pauley Pavilion on March 1, 1975, a 93-59 victory over Stanford.

40. Four weeks later, he surprisingly announced his retirement after a 75-74 NCAA semifinal victory over Louisville and before his 10th national championship game victory over Kentucky.

41. Another quote from Wooden: "Young people need models, not critics."

42. UCLA was Wooden's second choice for a coaching position in 1948. He had also been pursued by Minnesota, and it was his and his wife's desire to remain in the Midwest.

43. Inclement weather in Minnesota prevented Wooden from receiving the scheduled phone offer from the Golden Gophers. Thinking they had lost interest, Wooden accepted UCLA's offer instead.

44. Minnesota contacted Wooden right after he accepted the position at UCLA, but he declined because he had given his word to the Bruins.

45. His alma mater, Purdue, wanted Wooden to return to campus in 1947 and serve as coach Mel Taube's assistant until Taube's contract expired. Wooden declined, citing his loyalty to Taube, as it effectively would have made Taube a lame-duck coach.

46. At UCLA, Wooden had four undefeated teams. No other coach has more than one.

47. He also had seven teams that went undefeated in conference play.

48. He won five titles without Lew Alcindor or Bill Walton.

49. He coached 15 seasons at UCLA before winning his first NCAA championship.

50. His winning percentage in college and high school was .813.

51. Another quote from Wooden: "Talent is God given; be humble. Fame is man given; be thankful. Conceit is self given; be careful."

52. Wooden won his first national title in 1964.

53. In 1965, the Bruins became one of the few teams to win two NCAA championships in a row.

54. In the 1965 final, Gail Goodrich scored 42 points for UCLA as the Bruins defeated Michigan and Cazzie Russell.

55. The 1965-66 season was a down year for Wooden. His team failed to win the NCAA title, the last time that happened until 1974.

56. The 1966-67 season marked the beginning of the Lew Alcindor era and UCLA easily defeated Dayton in the final.

57. Wooden's Bruins had a 47-game winning streak before a 71-69 loss to Houston and All-American center Elvin Hayes on Jan. 20, 1968, in front of what was then the largest basketball crowd in NCAA history, 52,693.

58. That game was called "the Game of the Century." The same teams met again in an NCAA semifinal, where the Bruins routed the Cougars, 101-69.

59. UCLA defeated North Carolina in the 1968 final to become the only team to win consecutive titles twice.

60. Wooden has called that team as good as any he coached.

61. Another quote from Wooden: "Ability is a poor man's wealth."

62. In 1969, UCLA became the only men's basketball program to win three consecutive NCAA titles.

63. In the final, Wooden faced Purdue, his alma mater, and won easily, 92-72.

64. With that 1969 championship, Wooden became the first coach to win five NCAA titles.

65. In 1970, Wooden won his fourth consecutive NCAA title despite the loss of Alcindor to the pros.

66. In the final, 6-foot-8 Sidney Wicks outplayed 7-footer Artis Gilmore of Jacksonville for another easy victory.

67. In 1971, Wooden won his fifth NCAA championship in a row; the Bruins defeated Villanova in the final.

68. The Bill Walton era began in the 1971-72 season, and the Bruins won a sixth consecutive championship with a victory over Florida State.

69. Walton starred, making 21 of 22 shots, as Wooden won his seventh consecutive title in 1973 with a victory over Memphis State in the final.

70. UCLA's record 88-game winning streak under Wooden started on Jan. 30, 1971, with a 74-61 victory over UC Santa Barbara.

71. The streak ended when Notre Dame upset UCLA, 71-70, on Jan. 19, 1974.

72. Notre Dame also handed UCLA the loss before the streak started, 89-82, on Jan. 23, 1971.

73. The Bruins' record streak included two one-point victories: 69-68 at Oregon on Dec. 12, 1971, and 65-64 at home against Maryland on Dec. 1, 1973.

74. Wooden won his last NCAA title in 1975.

75. In Wooden's last game as UCLA coach, the Bruins defeated Kentucky, 92-85, on March 31, 1975.

76. Wooden spent 40 years as a basketball coach.

77. He coached 27 years at UCLA, finishing with a record of 620-147.

78. Wooden's teams went 149-2 at Pauley Pavilion.

79. Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" has become an organizational and inspirational tool for coaches everywhere.

80. The foundation for Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" is Industriousness, Friendship, Loyalty, Cooperation and Enthusiasm.

81. The peak of the Pyramid is Competitive Greatness.

82. Another quote from Wooden: "A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment."

83. Since 1977, the most prestigious postseason award in college basketball has been the John R. Wooden Award.

84. Two annual doubleheader men's basketball events are named after Wooden -- the Wooden Classic and the Wooden Tradition.

85. In 1999, ESPN elected Wooden the "Coach of the 20th Century."

86. The recreation center for intramural sports on the UCLA campus is named after Wooden.

87. A high school in Reseda is named John R. Wooden High.

88. In 2003, UCLA named the basketball court at Pauley Pavilion after Wooden and his wife, Nell. Wooden insisted the court be named the "Nell and John Wooden Court," keeping Nell's name first.

89. Wooden has his own website, www.coachwooden.com.

90. In 2007, UCLA announced it was planning to renovate Pauley Pavilion, while setting a goal of opening the renovated facility on Wooden's 100th birthday, Oct. 14, 2010.

91. Another quote from Wooden: "Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."

92. On July 23, 2003, Wooden received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor.

93. Wooden is a fan of women's basketball, because he says it often features more fundamentally sound basketball than the men's version of the game.

94. Wooden has written several books, including "They Call Me Coach" and a book for children, "Inch and Miles."

95. He has another book scheduled for release today called, "A Game Plan for Life: The Power of Mentoring with John Wooden." In conjunction with the book's release, fans can visit the website happybirthdayjohnwooden.com to send the coach birthday wishes.

96. On Wooden's 96th birthday in 2006, a post office in Reseda was named the John Wooden Post Office.

97. Wooden retains the title head men's basketball coach emeritus at UCLA and attends most of the team's home games.

98. On Nov. 17, 2006, Wooden was a member of the founding class of the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame. Others were James Naismith, Dean Smith, Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell.

99. One more quote from Wooden: "Don't give up on your dreams, or your dreams will give up on you."
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I'm not going to read all 99 of those things, but did any of them talk about his program being the biggest cheat of all time except for maybe the SMU debacle? Because without the amount of cheating they did, he may be an afterthought.
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Sounds like sour grapes to me.

I guess you could say that maybe UCLA was doing what everybody else was doing at the time.
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Sour grapes? All that shit happened before I was born. I could care less. What do you want a link to? The UCLA Cheating Machine? Hell, Seer will come in here and confirm it. I'm not about to spend a second googling that water is wet for your lazy ass.
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Well, I got my edit in before you could respond, so I guess I win.

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Damn, can you get anything right here? My timestamp was 3 minutes before your "Last edited by Mikey on 14 Oct 2009 08:36 pm, edited 1 time in total. " footer.

Glad you googled it quickly and paniced with an edit though. They were dirtier than Harry.
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The thing that struck me there in that pic with Wooden and the then Lew Alcindor was that Wooden's UCLA teams just had ridiculous talent. His teams were just loaded, top to bottom, and it wasn't just with solid roll players. No, he had some of the greatest players of all time, sometimes on the same team, including maybe the greatest college player of all time, Alcindor.

The other thing is it just seems his players remained fiercely loyal to the guy, long after their days at UCLA were over. That speaks very well of the man, considering a lot of those UCLA players were damn bright and very solid people.
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Van wrote:The other thing is it just seems his players remained fiercely loyal to the guy, long after their days at UCLA were over. That speaks very well of the man, considering a lot of those UCLA players were damn bright and very solid people.
Ever heard the term "thick as thieves"?

In any case, I don't believe the rules were as strict back then on cheating. It was well known they were heavy cheaters by today's standards. Back then, it wasn't as looked down upon to hand a kid a bag full of cash. If anything, UCLA was a pioneer to the cheating era. Rack them for that.
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100. Diaper change is at 7:00, 2:00 and 9:07.
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He probably could. I suck at basketball. I can shoot free throws (at least I got 2nd in state in the Knights of Columbus free throw contest at 14 year old making 88 of 100). Aside from that, I can't dribble for shit. Posted up for 3s. Made a few in middle school. Can still play ok D but that's about it. Have not played ball in 2 years though and don't plan on it.

What does my basketball ability have anything to do with UCLA's cheating years? Reach harder Screwball.
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21. Another quote from Wooden: "Learn as if you were to live forever; live as if you were to die tomorrow."
This is one of the best quotes from the coach. Some of you should spend more time hugging your children or wife instead of posting 20,000 messages in a message board trying to degrade other people. Doing that isn't living like you will die tomorrow. And you know better. Live your real life and do it to the best of your ability.
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dan, your OL and kids definitely get more than their fair share of hugging. Mostly from mvscal.
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I may have heard about the "cheating" before, maybe not. Tell you the truth, I don't remember. I do remember, though, that at the time I hated UCLA, being from the Bay Area, it didn't seem fair that they always won. Here in Socal, though, you don't hear much about any of the cheating. He is treated even by the press as pretty much of a god.

But like Van said, those teams overflowed with talent, and Wooden was a large reason that all that talent produced results. Cheating or not (is there proof that he was actively involved?) it was the most successful athletic program ever in any college sport.
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Van wrote:The thing that struck me there in that pic with Wooden and the then Lew Alcindor was that Wooden's UCLA teams just had ridiculous talent. His teams were just loaded, top to bottom, and it wasn't just with solid roll players. No, he had some of the greatest players of all time, sometimes on the same team, including maybe the greatest college player of all time, Alcindor.
The very best talent money could buy.
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Mikey wrote:it (UCLA B-Ball) was the most successful athletic program ever in any college sport.
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Mikey wrote:it (UCLA B-Ball) was the most successful athletic program ever in any college sport.
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OK you got me there.

They were both more dominant in terms of total and consecutive titles in a single sport. And USC has 12 baseball titles. I haven't had time to check out women's track and co-ed badminton. Oh yeah, and Stanford has won the Directors' cup 15 years in a row, out of the 16 that it has existed.

But in terms of single sports that are nationally competitive year in and year out, and in terms of prestige and $$ brought to the program, I'd say that my statement was pretty accurate.
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Mikey wrote:it (UCLA B-Ball) was the most successful athletic program ever in any college sport.
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OK you got me there.

They were both more dominant in terms of total and consecutive titles in a single sport. And USC has 12 baseball titles. I haven't had time to check out women's track and co-ed badminton. Oh yeah, and Stanford has won the Directors' cup 15 years in a row, out of the 16 that it has existed.

But in terms of single sports that are nationally competitive year in and year out, and in terms of prestige and $$ brought to the program, I'd say that my statement was pretty accurate.
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"It's hard for me to have a proper perspective on financial matters, since I've always had whatever I wanted since I enrolled at UCLA," Walton said.

That is the conundrum of UCLA and college sports as the Bruins go for their 12th NCAA title here Monday against Florida.

On one hand, UCLA has a tradition rich with success, class and glory. Good people, great stories, wonderful memories. On the other is the fact the Bruins eviscerated the rule book like no program before or after, but went largely unpunished by a NCAA that wanted no part of taking down its marquee team.

And the truth is, neither image is wrong. And neither one is right. This is college athletics, yesterday, today and probably forever, no matter how sweet the package, now matter how pretty the bow.

It is how Wooden, universally hailed for his remarkable grace and humility, has wound up seemingly beyond reproach. No matter how dirty his program, today he sells books, speeches and financial planning commercials based on his image of trust and honesty.
I especially like the part about how it is no different today than it was then. U$C is the UCLA of back then. I'm sure not to the degree UCLA was as they were the poster child for cheating, but it still holds true. The NCAA WILL NOT take down their marquee teams. Not today.
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And of course you have factual evidence to support these claims.
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1. They are not my claims, but Mikey asked for a link (before he edited it out).
2. Bill Walton, one of UCLA's biggest stars ever wrote all about it in his book.
3. Yes, I believe you'd have the nerve to ask an eye witness to take you back in time in his time machine because you'd only believe it if YOU saw it.

Don't try to rope me into your web of back and forth bullshit, Van. I don't need to convince you of shit. I've read enough on it myself from people actually involved to know. Surprised the Calis here don't know. Either you are in denial, ignorant of the facts or willing to cover them up just as the NCAA has.

Then again, if you are referring to my U$C comment, I've had my say about that with you. You're a broken record in your defense/denial of all things U$C. I'm not about to waste more of my time on you in that regard either.
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So, in other words, you've still got shit that you're trying to pass off as fact.

Carry on.
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You'll have to excuse me as a go to the YHGTBKM (You Have Got To Be Kidding Me) strain of IKYABWAI :facepalm: card.

If ever there was a broken record it's you and your Chicken Little whining about how teams cheat, even as you never offer up a shred of evidence to prove your accusations. You have long been the most tired, whining pussy on these boards with your constant sour grapes tinfoil hat "But...but...they're such cheaters! WAAAAHHH!!" drivel.

Face it, clown, it's now going on five years and still nothing has come of the Bush thing, and the Bush thing is the ONLY thing you can even attempt to lay on the USC football program - and it wasn't even USC's doing, it was some sleazeball agent's, even if it could ever be proven to be true, which it still hasn't.

Now you're trotting out Bill freaking Walton?? Okay, go ahead and link me up to where Walton ever said, "Coach Wooden was a liar and a cheat. We won so much because Coach Wooden gave top recruits bags of money to come to UCLA, knowing full well he was breaking NCAA rules. That's the Coach Wooden I know."

Yeah, I'll keep the light on while I wait for you to prove that Wooden's greatest fan - as a coach, as a teacher and as a man - threw Wooden under the bus by saying he was liar and a cheat.

In the meantime you'll continue to ignore the fact that the NCAA does punish its marquee programs, as evidenced by the recent penalties they handed down to flagship football programs such as Oklahoma, Alabama and Florida St.

Jesus, you're pathetic. Buy a fucking mirror.
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Van wrote:Okay, go ahead and link me up to where Walton ever said, "Coach Wooden was a liar and a cheat. We won so much because Coach Wooden gave top recruits bags of money to come to UCLA, knowing full well he was breaking NCAA rules."
That was Sam Gilbert's job. Wooden just had to look the other way. And to quote Walton...
"UCLA players were so well taken care of -- far beyond the ground rules of the NCAA -- that even players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years," Walton said. "If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.
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Yep. Walton didn't even make the statements attributed to him in the book. The muckraking author took it upon himself to editorialize.

Moreover, Walton's comment about having everything he needed while at UCLA was a description of his comfortable middle class background.

If Sam Gilbert feted UCLA players, great. Prove three things there:

1-That it happened.

2-That Coach Wooden or the UCLA administration had knowledge of it, condoned it and/or turned a blind eye to it.

3-That UCLA used it as a recruiting incentive.
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Yep. Walton didn't even make the statements attributed to him in the book. The muckraking author took it upon himself to editorialize.
Link? And the quote in the previous post as well?
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Van wrote:Okay, go ahead and link me up to where Walton ever said, "Coach Wooden was a liar and a cheat. We won so much because Coach Wooden gave top recruits bags of money to come to UCLA, knowing full well he was breaking NCAA rules."
That was Sam Gilbert's job. Wooden just had to look the other way. And to quote Walton a muckraking author looking to make a name for himself...
"UCLA players were so well taken care of -- far beyond the ground rules of the NCAA -- that even players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years," Walton said. "If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.
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Van wrote:...blahblahblah...

Yeah, I'll keep the light on while I wait for you to prove that Wooden's greatest fan - as a coach, as a teacher and as a man - threw Wooden under the bus by saying he was liar and a cheat.

...blahblahblah...
Show me where I said Walton called Wooden a cheater. Show me where I said he was a cheater. I never said he handed money to kids. He knew it was going on and looked the other way.

I said Walton admitted in his book they were getting bennies. I said the UCLA program, as a whole, was guilty. Part of that program being the boosters. If boosters are lining kids pockets today and the program is looking the other way, is it cheating to you? It sure is to the NCAA. If not, you be the clown. If so, then you understand what I said and are just trying to put words in my mouth I did not say.

It was against the rules back then too and the NCAA did nothing about it. These aren't tinfoil theories, dickface. They are documented facts. Wooden of all people is most ashamed. Do I think he's a douchebag? Certainly not. But he's not the saint many with selective and/or ignorant memories make him out to be.
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Walton wrote:...players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years...
Very few if ANY players from ANY program left prematurely during Wooden's championship years.

In fact (I'm not sure about this) I believe that the NBA had a rule (written or unwritten) not to draft undergrads until probably sometime in the late 70s. The first I can remember is Darryl Dawkins and he was drafted out of HS in '75.
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Mikey, quit confusing your real facts with their urban legends.

C'mon, everyone knows...
Indy wrote:Back then, it wasn't as looked down upon to hand a kid a bag full of cash.
...and that's precisely how UCLA built their dynasty, by handing kids bags full of cash. That's what Pete's been doing for the last eight years too at USC.

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I guess Coach Wooden's cash was just a little bit better than anybody else's.

Bobby Knight prolly had some cash too, but the best players didn't seem to want his. At least not as many as wanted Wooden's.
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Mikey wrote:
Walton wrote:...players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years...
Very few if ANY players from ANY program left prematurely during Wooden's championship years.

In fact (I'm not sure about this) I believe that the NBA had a rule (written or unwritten) not to draft undergrads until probably sometime in the late 70s.
Spencer Haywood and the USSC told them to shove that rule up their ass in 1971.
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So, how many others were there between 1971 and 1974?

Thanks again for making my point.
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Indybleedingvagina cries a lot because his daddy the chair thrower doesn't get the pub regardless of how often Vitale and the cocksmokers want to not only worship cheats but horrid role models.

Indybleedingvagina should send all his "proof" and maybe the NCAA will strip away all those titles....

Indybleedingvagina cannot accept the fact that Wooden's record will never be touched...and that he has done more good for more people in his life than his whiny cunt chair throwing moronic hero...

So, as a board was once so named....

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Mikey wrote:So, how many others were there between 1971 and 1974?
1972 1973 1974 1975

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Yep. Walton didn't even make the statements attributed to him in the book. The muckraking author took it upon himself to editorialize.
Link? And the quote in the previous post as well?
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Mikey wrote:So, how many others were there between 1971 and 1974?
1972 1973 1974 1975

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Like I said, very few and even fewer that ever made any difference.

Thanks again.

And Wooden was done as coach before the 1975 NBA draft.
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Mikey wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
Mikey wrote:So, how many others were there between 1971 and 1974?
1972 1973 1974 1975

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Like I said, "In fact (I'm not sure about this) I believe that the NBA had a rule (written or unwritten) not to draft undergrads until probably sometime in the late 70s."
That's the part I remembered.

Just trying to help here. :twisted:


And to help Van in his time of confusion...

Either the quotes attributed to Walton are genuine, or they aren't. If they aren't, I'm sure you can find a link to where he disavows them. If not, you might just be talking out your ass.



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Dio, read the comments in that same link. The author made those statements, not Walton.

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The quote from Walton is false. It is actually from terrorist sympathizer and radical journalist Jack Scott. The following is the letter I wrote to Dan Werzel of Yahoo (who originally dredged this quote up during the Final Four) on this topic.

Dear Mr. Wetzel:

As a UCLA fan, I was alarmed by your April 2 column, concerning alleged statements that Bill Walton made in a book concerning improprieties in UCLA’s basketball program during John Wooden’s tenure. In a follow-up on April 5, you wrote to a reader, “You don't think those comments by Walton were, at the very least, worthy of reprinting? When I first read them last year, I couldn't believe they weren't better known. Seriously, Bill Walton said that, if investigated, UCLA would have to give up seven NCAA titles and go on probation for 100 years. Sorry, but that's worth cribbing.”

I ordered a copy of the book, “On the Road with the Portland Trail Blazers,” used copies of which are readily available on Amazon.com. I assume you will be surprised to learn (and will immediately inform your readers) that your characterization of Walton’s comments is completely false.

First, you stated in your April 2 column that the book was written by Walton (“Those quotes come from none other than Bill Walton, maybe the greatest Bruin of them all, in his 1978 book ‘On the Road with the Portland Trailblazers’”). This is false. The book was written by Jack Scott. In the Author’s Note, Scott wrote: “Bill never asked to read even one page of the manuscript – never mind the entire manuscript – before it went to the printer. Consequently, I am solely responsible for the book’s content. You should not automatically assume that Bill agrees with all of the opinions I express throughout the book…”

Second, you quoted Walton as saying (or writing), “If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny (other schools) have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.” This, too, is false. This was the author, Scott’s, statement, not Walton’s (page 215).

Moreover, the insertion of the parenthetical statement “(other schools)” is misleading. The actual words Scott wrote (which you replaced with “(other schools)” was “Jerry Tarkanian and his players.” Scott was defending Tarkanian, with whom Scott identified for obvious reasons: Scott was a former athletic director at Oberlin College, which, he wrote in “On the Road,” the NCAA “put under intensive investigation for illegal recruiting while I was the athletic director” (page 215). A quick Google search reveals that in a 2000 obituary on the Oberlin College website, Scott is described as “a renowned critic of organized athletics [who] took every opportunity to lash out against the financial exploitation of collegiate and professional athletes, arguing that sporting events should cater to the needs of participants rather than owners, advertisers and spectators.”

Had you correctly attributed this seemingly damning quote to Scott, rather than incorrectly to Walton, you might also have thought it appropriate to inform your readers about Scott’s background, to which much of his book was devoted. Scott was a writer for the radical 1960’s magazine Ramparts, and was closely associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army. Extended portions of the book detail Scott’s refusal to cooperate with the FBI as that agency (which he accused of “crimes and killings,” see Introduction, page xvii) “harassed” him and his family for years merely because he harbored his fugitive friends, SLA members Patty Hearst and Bill and Emily Harris, for six months. Your readers might have been interested in examining the merit of Scott’s opinions of Sam Gilbert and Jerry Tarkanian in the context of his opinions of the FBI and SLA.

The only conceivably damning quote in your article that Scott actually attributes to Walton was Walton’s alleged statement to Scott that “It’s hard for me to have a proper perspective on financial matters, since I’ve always had whatever I wanted since I enrolled at UCLA” (page 212). However, Scott’s book (unlike your article) at least put this alleged quote in context – it comes immediately after Scott’s explanation that it was easy for Walton to stay at UCLA for four years and resist turning pro because “he came from a comfortable middle-class background.” Even as presented by Scott, it appears that Scott and Walton were discussing Walton’s privileged background, not largesse from Gilbert. Of course, Scott, who barely disguised his anti-Gilbert agenda throughout the book, is content to let the reader draw the more nefarious conclusion.

Perhaps due to his political viewpoint, his own anger at being under “intensive investigation” by the NCAA, and/or Walton’s firing of Gilbert as his advisor at about the time the book was written (pages 168-69), Scott used Gilbert as a whipping boy whenever Gilbert came into play. He implied, without evidence, that Gilbert had mob connections (page 213) and made unsupported but provocative statements such as “[h]is critics have questioned how someone who does so much for free could also be a self-made millionaire” (id.). This is typical of Scott’s “journalism,” in which, for example, he suggests without evidence that NBA referees are on the take (page 6 and accuses Trail Blazers coach Jack Ramsey of racism based on unsourced innuendo and despite Walton’s admiration for Ramsey (page 115). Scott also excused Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from publicly accusing Walton of marijuana use by writing that “Kareem explained that it was Sam Gilbert who told him this story about Bill” (page 211).

Yet even with his undisguised bias and politically charged point of view, Scott ultimately wrote that “Bill and I doubt John Wooden was aware of the ‘support’ his star players regularly received, and these revelations should not detract from his brilliant coaching record” (page 215).

The bottom line is that Jack Scott – a radical sportswriter and rogue athletic director, closely associated with the murderous SLA – is the person who provided the “money quote” on which your article was based, not Bill Walton. I think you would be doing your readers (as well as journalism) a disservice if you fail to correct the falsehoods on which your article was based.

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So, hmmm. On the one hand we've got a single book, which contradicts everything Bill Walton has ever said lo these past thirty some years about his beloved mentor. On the other hand we've got Walton himself, who's been in the public spotlight forever, yet there are no other public comments from him to corroborate those stupid things which clearly he never said.

There has also been no NCAA investigation of the things he supposedly said.

Yep, tough call, trying to figure out which side of that story to believe...

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