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[Van]

Dins, you're about as neutral an onlooker as a Bavarian field marshal.

You're also intentionally ignoring the point I made. I don't care that it happened, I'm just curious as to why he chose to do something so blatant. Even Killian says Pete did what he did to help his player win a Heisman, which, as a coach, can be construed as a defensible move. Scoring "style points" with the pollsters by winning big can also be construed as a defensible move.

Going for two late in a blowout accomplishes neither of those things, nor does it accomplish anything at all which will benefit the team. It's simply a blatant "Fuck you!" to the opponent, akin to Meyer's time outs and Richt's endzone rush. It's symbolic, and nothing else.

[Van]

Killian, you already established his reason for the fake punt: trying to help his player win a Heisman.

As a motivation for a coaching decision, that's defensible. That helps his program. Its purpose isn't to embarrass the other team, it's to benefit his own.

Going for two late in a blowout serves no similar purpose. It's strictly a symbolic gesture of disrespect towards the opponent.

[Killian]

Sure it does. If he gets it, him and his team can tell everyone that they went into the Colliseum and hung half a hundred on USC in their prime. Or, he can personally use that as leverage when looking for another program. Either of those are as defensable as padding your QB's stats.

[Van]

Try again, Killian. At least put some effort into it next time. That was just stupid.

Winning Heismans is a boon to a program. Gaining high rankings by winning big is a boon to a program.

Winning by 29 rather than 28, by going for two late in a blowout, is a nonissue to a program or its coach. Its sole purpose is simply to show up the other team, same as calling slow-bleed timeouts.

Hell, I'll even back off on comparing it to Richt's move, since it can be argued, probably correctly, that Richt did what he did in order to fire up his team for the remainder of a game which was still very much in doubt.

What Harbaugh did was more along the lines of what Meyer did. It was purely a symbolic rubbing of salt into the wound. It served no 'football purpose', at all.

[Killian]

You're right, Van. Stanford, who 3 years ago was 1-11, will not be able to use a victory in which they scored 50 against USC as a boon to their program. Considering Stanford is rarely in the position to have a player win the Heisman, this would be a huge recruitin tool for them. And you may argue that in the grand scheme of things its only a point, but a single dollar is the difference between a 6 figure and 7 figure income. That single number carries a ton of weight.

[Dinsdale]

It served no 'football purpose', at all.

Sure it did -- it Cheaty on notice that his bullshit antics towards the other PAC coaches now carry implications.



BTW, Van -- did you buy one of those USC teeshirts bragging about hanging 69 on Wazzu last year?

How about declaring your archrival's building as your own?

How's that recruiting of Jordan Zumwalt... you know, the guy who only got an offer from USC immediately before the Furd game? (Fucking BUSH LEAGUE!) Or did you not know that Petey made a run at Harbaugh's guy leading up to the game... "classy."

Hey, remember that time (last fucking year) when Petey tried to ice Furd's kicker late in an out-of-reach (for Furd) game? That's not akin to "running up the scaore"?

And nothing says "class" like having your team playing the 4th in front of an empty stadium.


BTW -- you say "no football purpose." Gee, ya'think sending a message to the HS kids of california that the torch has been passed serves no "football purpose"?

Are you retarded, or just trolling? I'll go with the latter, since even you aren't capable of this level of myopia.

[Dinsdale]

Matter of fact Van, this thread pretty well exemplifies why everyone loathes USC so passionately these days -- your complete lack of objectivity (and "class," for that matter) are the reason USC either needs to play better, or get used to this type of thing.

When you exhibit as little class as the entire USC program does (coaches, fans, players, the whole enchilada), then scream both fervent denials of said bullshit acts while decrying those who pull the same shenanigans that you (despite your absolutely ridiculous denials) ROUTINELY pull...


yeah, you should start bracing for a whole bunch more of the same.


But it's FUCKING HILARIOUS to see you bitch about Meyer calling TOs, when YOUR FUCKING COACH TRIED TO ICE A KICKER IN A DECIDED GAME (so Harbaugh came out and threw for 6 instead... BWA!)... yet you claim ignorance what Harbaugh's motivation might be?

Really?


Reeeeeeaaalllllly?


Uhm, Vannar... you pulled classless bullshit moves on that very same team the last time you played... karma can be a motherfucker, eh?

[War Wagon]

It was purely a symbolic rubbing of salt into the wound. It served no 'football purpose', at all.

Ya' know Van, I can sorta' see where you're coming from, but...

Rubbing it in is in itself a 'football purpose' and a time worn tradition. It's going to happen. Teams that are favored by 28 want to win by 58. I've endured 66-0 blowouts at Kansas Shitty State, 77-0 at Nebraska, and so on.

So guess what? If and when my boys ever get a chance to rub it in to them bastards... no mercy, no quarter.

And Stanford was a 16.5 point dog in that game so not only did they want to rub it in to USC, they wanted to rub it in to the oddsmakers and the media cocksuckers... and dumbshits like me who gave the points.

I don't know what the all-time record is between Stanford and USC but my guess is it's heavily slanted in USC's favor, with numerous blowouts. You're all caught up in what you perceive as a classless move by Harbaugh going for 2 when it's not about that at all. It's about Stanford taking out years and years of frustration against a program that has kicked them in the cunt more times than they care to count.

Like Petey, whom you worship, you don't get that because you're not used to having it done to you.

[Dinsdale]

It's about Stanford taking out years and years of frustration against a program that has kicked them in the cunt more times than they care to count.

Again, I'm guessing it has more to do with Cheaty trying to ICE A FUCKING KICKER IN AN ALL-BUT OVER GAME... against Harbaugh's Singulars... last season.

I believe "that's the deal."


The same Cheaty who screamed obscenities across the field at Bellotti (we're still not sure why).

Just a picture of "class," that Carroll guy.

[H4ever]

I see both sides of this but lean towards: Pete had this coming and it's a sad state of affairs at USC when every team in the PAC 10 (not just UCLA) would love nothing more to skull fuck you on your home field.

Here's how a classy coach.....a man of honor and impeccable character handles shit like this:

He kneels at the one yard line on 1st and Goal and runs out the clock. '96 Florida and Spurriers Fun-N-Gun offense were racking up points in situations all year when it was uncalled for. Mind you, '96 Huskers were amassing points at a crazy clip, too. But, the difference being Spurrier and the Gators were getting alot of their stats and points in the 4th qtr when it wasn't called for. And the media seemed to love that fucking Fun n Gun shit all year long.

Nebraska beat those cocky fucks beyond recognition as a D-1 team....let alone a cocky, undefeated SEC team with ESPN and the rest swinging from their sacks all year. 62-24 and Nebraska could have scored a 100 or more...easily.

. I think Osborne sent a classy and clear message to Spurrier and he did it for Florida's opponents that year, too.

[SoCalTrjn]

The Worst Ball Sucking Bandwagoning Homer Evah?

Hey Bill, when you get finished crying about how far SC has fallen, whining about a supposed "insult" that nobody but you will remember by next week, and generally denigrating the Stanford team, individual players and generally the entire program you might find at least a few lines to give some credit to the team that just finished kicking your suddenly former favorite team up and down the field on both sides of the ball.

Could we ever hope for something like that?
Probably not

A culture crash for Trojans
Seven years of near-invincibility have gone down the drain this season, capped by the 55-21 loss to Stanford.
Bill Plaschke

November 15, 2009

A Stanford senior communications major stood in the middle of a nearly empty stadium, the homecoming crowd having long since gone home, and administered the latest plunge into the heart of a USC football season.

Richard Sherman had earlier leaped in front of a Matt Barkley pass and returned it for a touchdown.

He had then posed for the cameras while jeering, "I'm 2 and 0 in the Coliseum. Fight on, SC!"

But this was worse. This was about more than a 34-point deficit on the scoreboard. This was about an unimaginable deficit in a culture.

Said Sherman of the Trojans: "You could just see that everything is not there. They don't run as hard. They don't play as hard."

And thus a team that has spent its entire season searching for an identity finally found one, captured beautifully by a thoughtful student dressed in eye black and grass stains and a 55-21 Stanford victory.

The 2009 Trojans: They don't run as hard. They don't play as hard.

It was homecoming in name only Saturday, USC returning to a place of unfamiliarity and unrest, a team of strangers in a Coliseum of brooding and boos.

After seven years as a national championship contender, they are now a team capable of yielding the most points in school football history -- that's 121 years, people! -- to a perennial loser whose starting lineup would barely fit on their depth chart.

"It's like everything turned bad," USC linebacker Malcolm Smith said.

After seven years of leading the nation in toughness, they are now a team capable of giving up 325 smash-mouth rushing yards to a team that simply handed the ball to a block-shaped running back.

"They brought it and they kept bringing it," safety Taylor Mays said. "Something was wrong. Something didn't feel right."

After seven years of offensive smarts, they committed four dumb turnovers against the nation's 82nd-ranked defense while gaining 26 yards on their final four drives.

"I'm not sure I have the right words to describe being humbled like this," Coach Pete Carroll said.

Why not just pull out the script from the Washington and Oregon games? In one form or another, this has been happening all season.

The Trojans have played USC-dominating football, what, maybe three times? As the stakes get higher, the quality of effort and intensity drops, with this latest debacle costing them even the remotest of chances at a Rose Bowl or other Bowl Championship Series game.

At this rate, Hollywood's team will be lucky to be spending New Year's Eve in El Paso.

In fact, before Saturday's game, Sun Bowl brochures were mysteriously placed at writers' seats in the press box.

I covered it in chips and peanut shells at the time. I'm digging it up now.

"This isn't us," Mays protested.

Oh yes, it is. After 10 games of it, it's all you, a team of highly recruited stars who suddenly behave as if they are being neither taught nor motivated

After seven years as the bully, they are now being bullied.

Exhibit One: Early in the second quarter, after a 15-yard pass moved Stanford to the USC three-yard line, the Cardinal hustled out of a no-huddle offense and handed the ball to Toby Gerhart.

USC was so flustered, seemingly half of their defense was running on and off the field during the play.

USC was so feeble, the defenders who found their positions were bulldozed by the Stanford line for a Gerhart three-yard touchdown.

Two Trojans penalties on the play, and the guy still scores.

"We came into a very intimidating place and made a strong statement," said Gerhart, who gained 178 yards, scored three times, and should at least be invited to New York for the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

Exhibit Two: Leading by 27 points with 8:47 remaining in the game, Harbaugh ordered his team to attempt a two-point conversion.

The Trojans held, but the angry Trojans and their booing fans will never forget, nor should they. The coaches exchanged words while leaving the field, but danced around it afterward.

Said Carroll: "I don't know what they were thinking with that."

Said Harbaugh: "I felt like our line was in a groove. . . . We went for it because we thought we could get it."

I then asked Harbaugh if he was concerned that such a move would tarnish the victory and send the wrong message, but he gave the identical nonsensical answer about his line being in a groove, totally avoiding the issue.

So, fine, I'll ask Harbaugh again.

This is what you teach? This is how Stanford wants you to coach? Aren't you both supposed to be better than that?

By the time USC gets another crack at Stanford next season, Harbaugh probably will be gone to someplace like Michigan, leaving the kids to feel the brunt of their coach's lack of class, and isn't college football grand?

For now, with next weekend off before they face UCLA, the Trojans have bigger worries. Their defense is in chaos, their game plan is in tatters, Matt Barkley isn't even the best freshman quarterback in his own town, and early on this sad Saturday evening, Pete Carroll violated his own trademark.

Always compete?

"I'm glad that we have a bye," said Carroll, which says it all.

Thats laughable, Plaschke has been a USC hater ever since coming to LA from kentucky or where ever he hails from. Even when USC was a good program he never wrote a single article of praise


the Trojans deserved the ass kicking, they played like cunts who didnt have enough heart to understand that stanford was going to try to run the score up on them. they had a chance to man up and show some guts by inflicting pain on Stanford but this Trojan team has no guts or heart.
Facts are pete was a mediocre head football coach int he Pros and is fastly becoming one at the college level. He ran off all assistants that would have any ability to disagree with him and replaced them with coaches unworthy of the job.
The Trojans have been sliding backwards since the 2005 Orange Bowl and it is a direct result of the losses of Coaches like Chow, Orgeron, Davis, Pola... The assistants that have taken those mens positions have also turned over in the years since and whats left is a barren cupboard of unworthy assistants. Many peopl have taken to calling the coach Pete Bowden because of his support of such a worthless staff.
Add to the slip in assistant coaches the recruiting class of 2006, which was at one time though to be one of the schools best. 22 High School recruits in that class, 5 transfered to other schools (Antwine Perez,Maryland; Emanual Moody, Florida; Vidal Hazleton, Cincinnati; Jamere Holland, Oregon; Josh Tatum, Missouri). 3 either failed to qualify to get in to USC or didnt have the grades to stay at USC (Kenny Ashley, Alfred Rowe, Vincent Joseph) . 2 suffered severe neck injuries (Staffon Johnson, Shareece Wright). Thats left USC with just 12 bodies from their 2006 recruiting class, Taylor Mays has not been the same player since getting his knee injured in the Ohio State game, its bee painful to watch him not play to his potential as he has favored that knee ever since. Garrett Green is a back up QB and holder on fgs/pats, Travon Patterson has been a flop, a ton of speed but not much of anything else. Anthony McCoy and Stanley Havili have both been great when able to play but have been injured more than able this season, Allen Bradford has been switched back and forth between RB and LB and hasnt been used properly, C.J. Gable was great early but a few fumbles got in to his head and the last 2 years he hasnt been in the line up to do much of anything, Butch Lewis and Zack Heberer have been servicable O Linemen when not injured, Derek Simmons and Alex Parsons have both been injured almost since getting to USC, David Ausberry has been a disappointment as USC hasnt been able to get a good WR's coach there to help him work on his game.
What was a great class in 2006 was a monumental flop and the classes since have been filled with guys who transferred or came to USC injured and int he last class there was a handfull of guys that in the 11th hour decommited to go elsewhere. Many people here are starting to think that the 4+ year on going NCAA investigation is really starting to hurt recruiting as many competing coaches are hanging the possible NCAA sanctions over recruits heads as a reason to not go to USC. They feel that the NCAA should just give USC its punishment or make a statement that the investigation is over, a whole class has come and gone from USC since what allegedly happened did
Carrolls house of cards at USC is falling down and the man is too prideful to admit that it was great because of how well the staff he put together when first getting to USC did. As time has gone by and he has replaced those original assistants with guys like Pat Ruehl, Jethro Franklin, Rocky Seto, Jeremy Bates and John Morton, the program has slipped to its current abismal location, 5th place in a conference they have dominated for 7 years. Hopefully Pete can right the ship by not losing any more games this season and by making some adjustments to his coaching staff in January. If not the names he is called around Southern California may slip from what was once St Pete to now Pete Bowden to a possible Pete Hacket. Win Forever doesnt include 27 and 34 point losses to the likes of Oregon or Stanford

[stuckinia]

UCLA was definitely a risk to score 14 points in 45 seconds with USC in possession of the ball. That is strategy, not dickiness,