Turner Gill to Kansas.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:04 am

Good Hire if true.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:09 am

I'd be happy for him but I'd hate to play him every year. Rather see him at Virginia or Maryland.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:15 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Danimal wrote:I'd be happy for him but I'd hate to play him every year. Rather see him at Virginia or Maryland.
MD job isn't available.

Friedgen still has a job? Really? How?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:34 am

mvscal wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Good Hire if true.
Based on what?

x2....What exactly has TG ever done to deserve a D1 HC gig?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:38 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:He won the MAC Championship last year, you FAT fucking RETARD.

Yawn....you FUCKING DICKHEAD ANKLEBITER.

CintiBearcat92 · Post by **CintiBearcat92** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:38 am

The Buffalo program was pure dogshit before Gill got there. I think he's due for a significant upgrade and I think KU, UVa, and Louisville would be fools not to take a long look at him.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:43 am

CintiBearcat92 wrote:The Buffalo program was pure dogshit before Gill got there. I think he's due for a significant upgrade and I think KU, UVa, and Louisville would be fools not to take a long look at him.

Not sure about KU, but my guess is Skip Holtz to UVa and Charlie Strong to Louisville.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:55 am

mvscal wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Good Hire if true.
Based on what?

He's made one the 3 losingest programs in CFB history a respectable team that at least gets to .500 most seasons, no small feat at Buffalo. He is also a revered former player in prime recruiting areas that Kansas needs to be able to get athletes from to be successful.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:05 am

As others have noted, Buffalo improved mightily under Gill. They had been at the bottom of the stack for years, of late they have become quite competitive.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:20 am

This would be a good move. It's not like there's some endless supply of elite coaches sitting on their balls at home just waiting for somebody to call them.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:29 am

mvscal wrote:No coaches at mid-major schools with winning records available? Oh, wait...Gill is black.

So it's all about record and nothing else? Is a guy with a better record at a historically better program than Buffalo necessarily the better football coach? If only it were that simple.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:32 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:He won the MAC Championship last year, you FAT fucking RETARD.
He's got a losing record at a shit school in a shit conference. Who gives a fat, fucking rat dick?
Urban Meyer ring a bell? Go fuck yourself, cunt.

Urban won like a maniac, and at a much larger program, so how is that at all a relevant comparison?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:51 am

Big 12 football is big business. Kansas isn't going to concern themselves with an affirmative action hire, they're going to concern themselves with hiring a good football coach. Period. EOS.

Quite frankly, nobody gives a fuck what you're impressed by, because it's clear you don't know shit about shit.

I don't care what color you are. If you win the MAC at Buffalo, people are going to slob your knob. Do you even have the slightest clue how god awful of a program Buffalo was? Of course you don't. They had accomplished nothing in their entire existence, prior to Gill coming on board. Batting over .500 at a school with actual history, better recruits, and better resources doesn't necessarily make you the better coach. If it was always that scientific and simple, then why do so many new BCS coaches flame out? Guys like Gill who can work something with virtually nothing will always garner interest. Don't like it? Tough shit.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:00 am

i don't agree with assertion of affirmative action hire. Gill, as a great player, long-time NU assistant, and whatever debatable success at Buffalo....is a name that commands respect in the lower midwest/old Big 8-Big XII North country. he's also from Texas...which is key to recruiting to KU.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:06 am

mvscal wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Is a guy with a better record at a historically better program than Buffalo necessarily the better football coach?
Almost certainly. Gill is an affirmative action hire. Period. EOS. Sorry if I'm not in the least bit impressed with his losing record at Buffalo Chip Junior College. Personally, I can't wait to watch Horns wipe their ass with this pathetic clown.

You're clueless. The guy inherited hands-down the worst program in the country. They were a perennial one-win team. He made them a competitor. He won a MAC-title there and would've had a winning season this year if their star rb Starks hadn't gotten hurt before the season started. So what if he used some JUCO's? What should he do with the horrid talent he had to work with?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:35 am

Danimal wrote:You're clueless. The guy inherited hands-down the worst program in the country. They were a perennial one-win team. He made them a competitor. He won a MAC-title there and would've had a winning season this year if their star rb Starks hadn't gotten hurt before the season started. So what if he used some JUCO's? What should he do with the horrid talent he had to work with?

So what? It's the fucking MAC for God's sake...Gill will get his black ass HANDED to him in the Big 12.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:36 am

Mace wrote:Charlie Weis is available.

I'd hire Weis over Gill everyday of the week.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:50 am

Screw_Michigan wrote::paul: :paul: :paul:

Bwahaha.

And your point is, anklebiter?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:19 am

No WAY Kansas hires another disgusting fatbody right now! Not a fucking chance. Bwaaaa!

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:23 am

mvscal wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Is a guy with a better record at a historically better program than Buffalo necessarily the better football coach?
Almost certainly. Gill is an affirmative action hire. Period. EOS. Sorry if I'm not in the least bit impressed with his losing record at Buffalo Chip Junior College. Personally, I can't wait to watch Horns wipe their ass with this pathetic clown.

so your 'informed' opinion comes down to what color a guy is and his w-l record. great ad material there..

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:33 am

mvscal wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Is a guy with a better record at a historically better program than Buffalo necessarily the better football coach?
Almost certainly. Gill is an affirmative action hire. Period. EOS. Sorry if I'm not in the least bit impressed with his losing record at Buffalo Chip Junior College. Personally, I can't wait to watch Horns wipe their ass with this pathetic clown.

That's what you said about Mike Tomlin 3 years ago. How did that prediction work out for you?

You know absolutely nothing of Gill's work at Buffalo, but the fact that he was able to recruit ANYBODY to come to what has to be one of the most unattractive campuses on the planet should tell you something. There's no recruiting base for Buffalo, the entire central and western New York area produces at most 2-3 decent prospects a year, and most of them leave the state or go to Syracuse. Just go to Rivals and take a look at the classes for UB before Gill and since. There's a HUGE fucking difference. Just imagine how he'll do in Big 12 country where people give a shit about CFB and where he remains a legendary former player.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:52 am

The guy my cousin married was a lineman for Buffalo a few years back, and he has stayed close to the program. Also, my uncle is a long time basketball coach in the area. He has a friend who is in the athletic department at Buffalo.

The point being, I was with all of these guys at a family get-together a few years back, and they were talking about how Gill had transformed the football program, how they were have great success with the kids involved, and how things seemed to be going better as a result with the other athletics. Nothing but glowing, positive reviews from these guys.

PSU played them in '07, and while being overmatched, they definitely were a solid squad, particularly in the passing game.

Are there affirmative action hires that take place from time to time? Sure, I guess. Was Gill one at Buffalo? No. Will he be elsewhere? No. I guess it might be useful to entertain the notion that sometimes a merit hire can take place where that hire happens to be a minority.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:58 am

I think that success in the MAC conference is a pretty good qualification for stepping up. It has worked passably well with Pinkel, Meyer, and some others. I imagine Kansas wants to try to get a younger guy who has been successful and who has some new ideas. Perhaps this is their strategy with Gill...sounds like a good one to me.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:21 am

That is considered a great success at Buffalo. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:23 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:That is considered a great success at Buffalo. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

because anytime you type out mvscal on this board it comes out msvcal.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:47 am

Kirk Ferentz was 12-21 at Maine.

Exactly. Ferentz started off like crap at Iowa, and he hasn't done anything special ever since. Iowa was a more 'traditional football power' than Kansas, with more 'upside'. Kansas can't afford the kind of start from a new coach that Ferentz had with Iowa.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:49 am

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote: Just imagine how he'll do in Big 12 country where people give a shit about CFB and where he remains a legendary former player.
Gill lost at Buffalo and he will lose at Kansas. In Big 12 country where they give a shit about CFB, those recruits are headed to Texas and OU or even Nebraska. Bottom feeders like Kansas need not apply.

Will Gill turn Kansas into a perennial Big XII power? Probably not. Success at Kansas post Mangino is defined as making a decent run at the Big XII title every 4-5 years and staying competitive in the other years. I think Gill can do that. Obviously we are both able to do nothing more than speculate. But I am certain that your obsession with win/loss records without considering other factors like the relative program strength before his arrival (bottom 10 in all of D1), the quality of facilities (You'll never hear Brent Musberger wax poetic about UB Stadium), the absolute lack of any real tradition and the fact that Buffalo is like Cleveland and Detroit minus any of the economic progress is myopic and shortsighted.

For the record, I had no problem with the Tomlin hire. He is exactly the kind of head coach I would be looking for. He's young, had experience as a coordinator and won a ring as an assistant at Tampa Bay. If memory serves, his DBs ate the Raiders alive in that game. That's a rock solid resume.

Bull fucking shit. You went on for 3 pages in the NFL forum calling Tomlin an "affirmative action monkey". You expect me now to believe you had "no problem with his hiring"???

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:06 am

Mace wrote:The point is that Gill's record at Buffalo is pretty insignificant when considering what he might be able to accomplish at Kansas.

And, Van, you don't know shit about Iowa football or what condition it was in when Ferentz arrived, so shut the fuck up and quit acting like you do.

I know exactly what shape it was in when Ferentz arrived there: horrible. It was in the toilet by the time he got there. It was good for awhile under Fry, but it went to shit there at the end. When Ferentz got there it stayed in the toilet, initially, then he brought it back up to respectability. That's what it's been, ever since: respectable. He never got them to the heights Fry did, but he's avoided having them completely fall off the map too.

That sound about right? Any questions?

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:18 am

Van wrote:
Mace wrote:The point is that Gill's record at Buffalo is pretty insignificant when considering what he might be able to accomplish at Kansas.

And, Van, you don't know shit about Iowa football or what condition it was in when Ferentz arrived, so shut the fuck up and quit acting like you do.
I know exactly what shape it was in when Ferentz arrived there: horrible. It was in the toilet by the time he got there. It was good for awhile under Fry, but it went to shit there at the end. When Ferentz got there it stayed in the toilet, initially, then he brought it back up to respectability. That's what it's been, ever since: respectable. He never got them to the heights Fry did, but he's avoided having them completely fall off the map too.

That sound about right? Any questions?

ja, what "heights" did fry get the program to that ferentz hasn't been able to? you're talking out of your arse. again. imagine.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:30 am

What heights? How about three Rose Bowls? Has Ferentz brought them to even one? Nope.

Imagine that, M Club ankle biting, while being dead nuts wrong...again.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:40 am

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:I think that success in the MAC conference is a pretty good qualification for stepping up.
True, but he didn't have success in the MAC. He was 20-30.

At a program that had gone 10-69 prior to his arrival since moving up to Division 1-A in 1999. If you can't see the difference in Buffalo's program before Gill got there and after he got there . . .

Matter of fact, I thought Syracuse should have gone after him last year. Hard. He didn't even get a sniff from them, however, and worst of all, it appears that Syracuse essentially rehired Robinson.

The bar is going to be set just a wee bit higher in the Big 12.

Agreed, but he's accomplished enough at Buffalo to have deserved that chance at a higher-profile program.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:44 am

Nice qualifier wth "Rose Bowls" there, Van. You want to go on again about Iowa not having 2 conference championships under Ferentz?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:47 am

Pretty cut and dried. Three Rose Bowls, to none. The object of any Big 10 coach is: 1-Win the national title. 2-Failing that, win the conference and go to the Rose Bowl.

Fry managed to take Iowa to three Rose Bowls. That trumps anything Ferentz has done. Case closed.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:58 am

Van wrote:What heights? How about three Rose Bowls? Has Ferentz brought them to even one? Nope.

Imagine that, M Club ankle biting, while being dead nuts wrong...again.

i can't believe you put forth some arbitrary facts as evidence.

you're a sociopathic loser who thinks the paragraph break equates to having something of importance to say. you've proven over and over here that your arse is your mouth. the goal of any big ten coach, failing to win the mnc [ja, let's go indiana, have some standards] is to go to the rose bowl? please tell us how your jim delaney-flavored kool-aid tastes, bitch.

the rose bowl used to indicate who won the big ten. it doesn't anymore, or are we supposed to talk about what a great big ten coach bob stoops is because of his rose bowl win. mack brown's?

hayden fry's last rose bowl appearance was due to the 19th tiebreaker because 12 teams tied for the big ten championship that year. ferentz has just happened to lose those bs tiebreakers. considering the national ridicule regarding the third tiebreaker - "who's sucked the longest" - i'm not surprised that's the basis of any sort of point you're trying to meak.

you've also left off the length of their tenures, conveniently, as well as the fact ferentz had to resuscitate a program fry let fall apart.

why don't you come back with something better when you finally understand you can't make arguments by fiat, especially since conventional wisdom here has you pegged as a bombastic dullard.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:02 am

mvscal wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Agreed, but he's accomplished enough at Buffalo to have deserved that chance at a higher-profile program.
He doesn't deserve shit. Are you trying to tell me that there aren't any young coaches at mid-major schools with better track records?

Skip Holtz would be one, but I don't think Skip is interested in the Kansas job. I think he's holding out for something that would be better (from his subjective perspective, anyway).

Your black-and-white focus on won-loss records notwithstanding, Gill has been a success at Buffalo. Throw in his ties to that region of the country, and he's a good fit for Kansas. Hell, Auburn nearly hired him last year, and he doesn't have ties to Auburn's region of the country.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:55 pm

Speaking of Auburn, I don't remember mvscal on here bashing the Gene Chizik hire. What was his record at ISU?

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:24 pm

Gill is more qualified today than Mangino was in 02. Mangino was about to be run out of town as OU's OC after a less than inspiring 01 season to make way for Chuck Long. Mangino was lucky to get the KU job to preserve appearances. to be fair, OU's OL situation was really dire and both QB's Nate Hybl and Jason White got hurt.

Mangino's claim to fame was a MNC ring in 00 (though it could certainly be argued that Heupel essentially called the plays out of Mike Leach's 1999 playbook audible at the LOS)....and having been on Snyder's staff. Gill has 3 rings as an assistant under Dr. Tom in addition to HC experience.

Gill should be able to pick up where Mangino left off recruiting "2's" out of Texas.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:17 pm

M Club, are you even capable of making a post about me that doesn't mention "sociopath" or some bizarre reference to paragraphs? What, do you have a problem with proper paragraph spacing now too? What the hell is wrong with you? Why can't you ever simply stick to the topic, football, without pussing out on these lame tangents, the way you always do?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:39 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Bull fucking shit. You went on for 3 pages in the NFL forum calling Tomlin an "affirmative action monkey". You expect me now to believe you had "no problem with his hiring"???

Why don't you go ahead and link me up there.

Why don't you drain my balls you ambulatory cum bucket. Nobody, and I mean nobody, needs to document your never ending history of racist bullshit. Besides, your complaints about Tomlin weren't archive worthy. Not that any of us should be surprised.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:10 pm

whatisthisthingyoucallfootball?

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