All indications are that it's Brian Kelly

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:09 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:As I recall, 99% of the posters in here said there was no way in hell that Alabama would be able to get Saban.

Well, that's what the snake oil salesman himself was telling us all...

CintiBearcat92 · Post by **CintiBearcat92** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:19 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Cinti - what did Cincy fans think of Dantonio during his time there? I know ultimately he left Cincinnati a .500 coach but seemed to really be able to pull in some talent that has come to fruition. MSU fans are still pretty big believers in the guy...it's the D coordinator, Narduzzi, that people want to see gone.

Mgo, everyone here really liked Dantonio and was very disappointed to see him go. He really kind of greased the wheels for Kelly. The transformation of the Bearcat football program began under Dantonio and Kelly just took it to the next level. Dantonio did a damned good job of recruiting. There are several Dantonio UC recruits that are currently playing on Sundays and there are a few more from this year's senior class that will join them. He brought Pike and Gilyard into the fold and you see what they're doing now. I like the guy and appreciate what he did here and I hope does well at MSU.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:21 pm

The gold on the dome is a little tarnished right now but it's not too late to polish it and restore the program to prominence. If this guy can win at UConn, he sure as hell can win at ND.

#1. All of our domes need polishing.
#2. I'm not sure if winning at UConn translates to winning at ND. How do you figure?

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:27 pm

I have some thoughts about this, but right now I'm running around like a chicken with my head cut off. If it's not a moot point by then, I'll get on later tonight or tomorrow.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:43 pm

While I have a ton of respect for the ND fans on this board, I don't have much for the band wagon fans who gravy train ND because they go to a Catholic church twice a year.

That said it does bring a smile to my face to see ND in this situation with their next coach. This is an extremely important hire because if this next one goes wrong it will be that much harder to get it back on the tracks 5 years from now. Hell, as it is there are kids that don't know ND as a player on the National scene. Sure a good season here or there, but not as a contender. Mess this up and it becomes a generation that doesn't know ND as a player.

Best of luck only for the sake of the quality guys here, and here's hoping that it is another mistake for the rest of them.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:01 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Van wrote:If ND is reduced to having to grab a bland, .500 coach from the Big East whose only claim to fame is seeing one of his players get murdered then just go ahead and pull the plug on them. They ain't coming back. They're through.
If Notre Dame needs a "top notch recruiter" in order to attract kids to Notre Dame, then they're already through.

Every program, bar none, needs a top notch recruiter. USC during the late '80s and '90s, Michigan during the final years of Lloyd Carr, Auburn during the end of Tubberville's reign and ND during Willingham's era should be all the proof you need that merely throwing your shingle out there and expecting people to flock to you isn't going to get it done.

Yes, ND needs a top notch recruiter, more than ever. If they ever hope to "be back" then they need a monster of a head coach to ignite that program. A guy who could only manage .500 in the lowly Big East is simply not the guy to get it done at ND. Bare minimum, it's got to at least be a DickRod, a Brian Kelly or a Bobby Petrino, i.e., a guy who came in and ran roughshod over the conference; not a guy who was just cannon fodder for them.

Would it be too much to ask for ND to at least limit their choices to a guy like an Urban Meyer, pre-Florida: a guy who thoroughly kicked ass, wherever he coached? Going after guys who couldn't even win in the Big East doesn't bode well for a coach attempting to bring ND up to elite status.

And no, I don't give a rat's ass that guys like Turner Gill and Randy Edsall took horrible programs and elevated them to meh. That's the easiest thing in sports, for any coach. There's nowhere to go but up, when your program is dogshit. The difficult thing is to go from decent to great, and the hardest thing of all is to sustain greatness, year after year. One hit wonders proliferate the landscape. They're Coach Of The Year one year, and unemployed three years later.

BFD.

Randy fucking Edsall? UConn's coach? You have to be kidding, ND. You may as well just join the Big East, if this is how far you've fallen. Just go ahead and resign yourself to being a perennial Big East also-ran, because you're never going to catch the Big Dogs by "reaching for the middle," with a hire like that.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:50 pm

Just heard Kelly was hired by ND in the past few hours. Supposed to be a press release tonight around 9, which is after the Cincinnati football players team banquet.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:11 pm

Kidding or not, it's valid.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:20 pm

When MSU lost Saban to LSU in 1999, Bobby freaking Williams was the interim HC for the Citrus Bowl against Florida. MSU were pretty big underdogs in that game and won. Every team's mindset is different. You just can't predict how they're going to respond to these types of situations. And this was a point in his career when people didn't really know what kind of guy Saban was. So when he began with the whole "I'm not going anywhere" routine, his players actually bought into it and were pretty taken back when he left. Of course players today now know what his word is actually worth.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:21 pm

PrimeX wrote:Just heard Kelly was hired by ND in the past few hours. Supposed to be a press release tonight around 9, which is after the Cincinnati football players team banquet.

Yep, ND has a presser scheduled for tomorrow at 11am where it's expected they will announce Brian Kelly as their new football coach. Cincinnati's football banquet is now closed to the public and media.

If true, welcome to ND, Coach Kelly. Hopefully you can overcome the ineptitude and bullshit that is associated with the university.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:24 pm

http://twitter.com/700wlw/status/6543658903

BREAKING: Brian Kelly has told players...I'm gone. Unconfirmed at this point.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:05 am

Van wrote:Kidding or not, it's valid.

Same thing was said when DickRod left WVU before the Fiesta Bowl game against Oklahoma.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:13 am

Chuck Martin may be NDs new D-Coordinator.

Kelly has been trying to get chuck to come with him since he left GVSU. I think ND might be big enough to lure Chuck away from his HC job at GVSU

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:31 am

If it hasn't been said already - Fuck ND and Fuck Brian Kelly. Bullshit on leaving Cincy hanging for the biggest game in that school's history.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:52 am

Yeah, Rack Kelly for the new gig. I don't give a shit whether somone feels he misled his team...he fucking abandoned them. EOS and fuck him. I hope ND finally ends up getting flushed...

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:22 am

Is him leaving any different than a kid leaving for the NFL? Why are they bitter? If it wasn't for him nobody would know if Cincy even had a fucking football program. They would be nowhere near the BCS payoff they're about to get without him. So fuck all of them who are giving him shit for taking a step forward in his career. They would do the same thing if a better gig and more jack came along.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:30 am

Laxplayer wrote:Is him leaving any different than a kid leaving for the NFL? Why are they bitter? If it wasn't for him nobody would know if Cincy even had a fucking football program. They would be nowhere near the BCS payoff they're about to get without him. So fuck all of them who are giving him shit for taking a step forward in his career. They would do the same thing if a better gig and more jack came along.

i agree. i hate it when talk radio type fans talk about loyalty and when the bigger *guaranteed* paycheck comes, who doesn't take it in their life? why blame the guy you used to like?

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:31 am

Mace wrote:
Laxplayer wrote:Is him leaving any different than a kid leaving for the NFL? Why are they bitter? If it wasn't for him nobody would know if Cincy even had a fucking football program. They would be nowhere near the BCS payoff they're about to get without him. So fuck all of them who are giving him shit for taking a step forward in his career. They would do the same thing if a better gig and more jack came along.
Of course they would. I can understand how the players may feel betrayed but, in hindsight, they should be able to realize that he left for a much better job and more financial security.

players have an attachment to the coach. that being severed is painful; but, not the same as being betrayed.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:43 am

Laxplayer wrote:Is him leaving any different than a kid leaving for the NFL? Why are they bitter? If it wasn't for him nobody would know if Cincy even had a fucking football program. They would be nowhere near the BCS payoff they're about to get without him. So fuck all of them who are giving him shit for taking a step forward in his career. They would do the same thing if a better gig and more jack came along.

Who the fuck was Brian Kelly before Cincy gave him his shot?

I just wonder why either Kelly or ND or both insisted that Kelly abandon Cincy before the bowl game?

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:36 am

All successful coaches at lower levels are the hot candidates for the jobs at the next level. Same with coordinators. It's logical. Coaches leave all the time. Players leave all the time. Bosses leave. Most of us have had a boss or supervisor that we really liked, and maybe they took a better position somewhere else. It's life. Fucking quit bitching like a fucking cry baby and deal with it.

JMak · Post by **JMak** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:10 am

Sorry, but Kelly and ND can fuck off. It aint whining. Just pointing out the bush nature on abandoning your team.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:27 am

Nothing wrong with leaving Cincy to go to ND, except for the timing. Yes, players leave early for the NFL, but they don't leave this early, as in, before their season is even over. Abandoning a 12-0 team which is about to play in the Sugar Bowl is a little different than not coming back for a following season.

Bare minimum, the announcement should have been delayed until after the Sugar Bowl.

This is the NCAA's fault though, as usual. It's their stupid rules that allowed this. All they need to do is put a rule in place which restricts schools from interviewing any coaches until after the BCS title game. Simple. Everyone is subject to the same rule, and so fucking what if recruiting gets set back a month? It'd be the same for everyone.

Lying to everyone and leaving before the bowl game is even played, that's definitely a bunch of crap, but it's all on the NCAA for throwing Cincy's players under the bus.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:40 am

JMak wrote:I just wonder why either Kelly or ND or both insisted that Kelly abandon Cincy before the bowl game?

One word: recruiting. Near as I can tell, this was ND's decision, not Kelly's. And while this is purely a hunch on my part, I believe what happened behind the scenes is that ND insisted, as a non-negotiable point, that Kelly would have to leave immediately, and that Kelly initially balked at that requirement, causing Edsall's name to come into the picture, but that Kelly later reconsidered.

National LOI day is the first week of February. To leave the head coaching position vacant for an entire month, at this point, would amount to leaving the program vulnerable to a whisper campaign as to its verbals. i.e., "Do you really want to go to ND when you don't even know who the coach is gonna be?"

When Weis was fired, Rob Iannello, last year's WR coach, took over the team on an interim basis. Iannello was never a serious candidate for the head coaching position on a permanent basis, though, and he probably realized that his job might be in jeopardy when a new coach was hired. Meanwhile, Akron offered him its HC job and he accepted. No hard feelings there -- that's a step up from a position coach at ND, and he has to think of himself and his family as well. Meanwhile, the HC position at ND goes vacant, even on an interim basis, which only steps up the pressure on ND to get someone in there immediately. Of last year's staff, Tenuta was probably the most prominent assistant, but he was a cancer on that team, and there was no way Swarbrick was giving him the keys to the program, even on an interim basis.

I see your point here to an extent, but it was within the rules for ND to do this, and certainly in the program's best interests to do it. I really don't know what can be done to change this without screwing somebody over.

Mr T wrote:Chuck Martin may be NDs new D-Coordinator.

Kelly has been trying to get chuck to come with him since he left GVSU. I think ND might be big enough to lure Chuck away from his HC job at GVSU

I certainly hope not. Kelly has had two other jobs -- Central Michigan and Cincinnati -- since leaving GVSU. Had Kelly come along with him at even one of those jobs, I might feel differently. But moving up from Division II to a cooardinator's job at ND is just too big a jump.

My hope is that he brings on Tuberville as Assistant Head Coach/DC. It probably won't happen, though.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:08 pm

The recruiting issue is solved by simply moving back LOI day a month.

No interviews until after the final game of the season - or, bare minimum, the final game of that candidate's season - and the LOI is moved back one month. Everyone's playing on a level playing field. Problem solved.

Mace, a player can't leave his team to play for another team during the same season, so a coach shouldn't be allowed to either. Seems pretty fucking reasonable, doesn't it? If you argue this, you're even duller than usual. In fact, the only reason you're arguing it at all is because I said it. Had someone else said it, you'd agree. That's just how much of a pissy little old woman you've become here.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:31 pm

Well here's another piece of help for the situation. Don't allow teams to have more than 1 bye week in a season. Start the season the first week of Sept, and end it on the last weekend of November. Have EVERY bowl game played by Jan 1st. this way we're not waiting that extra week for more games thus giving coaches that extra week to recruit. Or move LOI day back, or both. This way coaches have the month of January and February to recruit.
If a school is without a coach then kids will look at that as a potential problem and possibly take their interest somewhere else. This puts the new coach in a very bad situation as far as recruiting that years class because he's losing time with potential kids to help the program.
Also if you make it where schools can't contact coaches until after the last bowl game then it may take a very long time to get a coach if you interview multiple candidates.
The whole system is fucked up.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:54 pm

As an MSU fan, Kelly scares me. Davie, Willingham, and Weis didn't do that.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:49 pm

Kelly left CMU to coach Cincinnati in their bowl game. I don't remember Cincy players bitching then.

Was this an discussion on these boards when DickRod did it? Or any other coach?

You want to cry for rthe players? What about when a coach is fired? Should we wait unti after all bowl games to fire coaches as well?

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:13 pm

Killian wrote:What about when a coach is fired? Should we wait unti after all bowl games to fire coaches as well?

Coaches get fired for NOT making it to bowl games. Only gotta be at .500 to go lately.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:41 pm

When players can simply opt out of their agreements in order to go play for another team during the same season, fine, coaches can too. Since players can't do this, coaches shouldn't be able to either. So, either change the rules and allow players to be able to bail and not lose any time before suiting up for another team, or disallow coaches from being able to do it. One, or the other, but make it consistent.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:43 pm

JMak wrote:Who the fuck was Brian Kelly before Cincy gave him his shot?

Who the fuck was Cincy before Brian Kelly gave them a shot?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:27 am

So what? That has no bearing on anything. If a scholarship math student wants to transfer out of school and go to another one, he can. He doesn't have to wait a year to begin classes elsewhere. If a professor wants to do the same, he can, and he can begin working immediately. So can a coach, who has a signed contract he's supposed to honor.

The only person here who can't simply transfer and pick it right back up without waiting is the student-athlete, and that's just nonsense.

I don't mind if he has to wait until the following season before he may play for his new school. That's fine, but the coach who signed a contract to coach a team for the entire season should have the same restriction.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:56 am

mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:If a scholarship math student wants to transfer out of school and go to another one, he can.
And lose his scholarship.

So what? He can get another scholarship elsewhere, same as a coach can get another job elsewhere. Neither of them have to sit out a year. Only the student-athlete does, which is ridiculous.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:05 am

recruiting rules don't need to be changed. find something else to bitch about. when your coach sucks enough that he's fired it stands to reason your recruiting's going to take a hit. some schools have enough leverage to mitigate that, it appears. good for them. and good for brian kelly. part of a coach's incentive to perform well is the opportunity to coach at a more high profile school. part of a player's incentive to perform well is to move on to the nfl. this consistency van's whining about applies to five jobs a year, if that. waaaaah.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:07 am

Van wrote: So what? He can get another scholarship elsewhere, same as a coach can get another job elsewhere. Neither of them have to sit out a year. Only the student-athlete does, which is ridiculous.

please plz plz introduce free agency into cf. plz.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:51 am

M Club wrote:recruiting rules don't need to be changed. find something else to bitch about. when your coach sucks enough that he's fired it stands to reason your recruiting's going to take a hit.

I'm fine with that too. If need be, let the new team take the recruiting hit. Regardless, they should have to wait for the season to conclude before they can begin the process of interviewing currently employed coaches. They shouldn't be able to poach another team's coach before the season is even over.

If they can do that then the players should also be able to go from team to team, for the exact same reason a coach does it.

some schools have enough leverage to mitigate that, it appears. good for them. and good for brian kelly. part of a coach's incentive to perform well is the opportunity to coach at a more high profile school.

That's great. When his season is over he can go on to the higher profile school. First, he has to fullfill his obligation to his current group of kids, same as they have to fulfill theirs to him. If he doesn't have to, neither should they.

part of a player's incentive to perform well is to move on to the nfl.

That's true, yet they can't just up and leave their team and go to either another team or the NFL in the middle of the season. They have to finish their current season.

this consistency van's whining about applies to five jobs a year, if that. waaaaah.

Tell that to Cincy's players.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:54 am

M Club wrote:
Van wrote: So what? He can get another scholarship elsewhere, same as a coach can get another job elsewhere. Neither of them have to sit out a year. Only the student-athlete does, which is ridiculous.
please plz plz introduce free agency into cf. plz.

Or...just prohibit schools from being able to interview currently employed college coaches until the season is over. That'd be a little simpler than opening the floodgates to allow total freedom of movement for the players.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:06 am

mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:He can get another scholarship elsewhere
Sure, but he would have to wait a year until the scholarship came open again, dumbshit.

The fuck he would, moron. If the Colt McCoy of mathematics wishes to leave School A for School B, and School B wishes to grant him an immediate full ride as an incentive to get him to switch schools, they're free to do so. They don't have to wait for anything. His existing scholarship has no bearing on anything, not with the new school. They certainly don't have to wait a year before they can offer it to him.

Only the student-athlete does.
They're working under a different set of rules than professional athletes or professional coaches or professional teachers for that matter.

That's why I also included basic students who aren't athletes. Only the student-athlete is hamstrung this way, and it's stupid. They should have the same freedoms as their coaches, or any other students.

If they don't like it, they're free to leave and test their skills and knowledge in the professional market just like any other student in any other career path.

No, they're not; not unless they're a couple years removed from high school. Unlike a math wiz or a killer engineer, who are free to pursue gainful employment at any time during college, Matt Barkley is not yet free to join the NFL.

Stop acting like these kids are somehow being "victimized" by receiving a free college education. It's an extraordinarily stupid argument.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Who's talking about "victimized college kids?" I'm talking about coaches being allowed to abandon their players before the season is over, and how absurd it is that they're free to do so while the kids don't enjoy the same freedom; not even the same freedom as other scholarship students.

Try again, less obtusely, and without the self-serving strawmen.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:57 am

Maybe it's just me, but if I'm a Cincy player, and I can sense what's going down, I don't want my coach to go through the motions of coaching me in his last game, only to be gone in an instant. The whole thing is so fake. If he doesn't want to be around next season, then he should go. Immediately. There's no sense in delaying the inevitable. I'd say go riddance and good luck. Thanks for getting us this far, we'll take it from here.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:15 am

Van wrote: Tell that to Cincy's players.

tell what to cincy's players? they're grown men. i suppose they're also young men, but they go to college to learn a bit about life, non?

coaches and players are entirely different classifications, which is no different than any major corporation a la white- and blue-collar workforces. different rules apply to people working for the same company. a five-star recruit might never actually start but he's going to keep his scholarship, for the most part. brian kelly flames out at notre dame then he's going to be right back coaching in the mac.

there's also the fact even the casual fan could sense brian kelly's ascent. pity the dipshit player who believed kelly when he said cincy was his dream job or whatever. with as much b.s. as these players are given throughout the recruiting process, you'd think they'd be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:36 am

For as long as you've been posting, one would think you'd know a trolljob: It's pretty much what you're doing here, ever since you arrived in this forum.

And no, as usual with everything you've posted in here, you're wrong again. If Stanford wishes to bestow upon a kid a scholarship midway through the school year, there's nothing stopping them from doing so. A kid could transfer from M.I.T. to Stanford, any way Stanford saw fit. The kid forfeits his scholarship to M.I.T., but you'd have to be a complete imbecile - not just a Johnny-come-lately "Texas fan" poser - to think that Stanford couldn't choose to pick up the tab for having that kid join their school...right fucking now.

There are no mandatory Jevan Snead/Mitch Mustain/Ryan Mallet waiting periods for that kid. He's got his nose in a beaker, first thing tomorrow, and Condi Rice will smile at him over lunch in her office as they fill out the necessary paprerwork.