I've been waiting for this Iraq War documentary forever!!

[Stanley Pickkkle]

The Song is "Wasted Youth" by Blood for Blood.

[Stanley Pickkkle]

This guy almost got a purple heart.



On a side note, wouldn't it be fanastic if the Great Mvscal shared some of his Gulf War pics with us?


After putting up with his rants and tirades for 10 years, I believe we earned the right to see them.

[LTS TRN 2]

What, watching him sit around processing requests for truck parts? You know goddamn well if he--or anyone--was actually in the shit (http://www.archive.org/details/US-Killed-afgh) they sure as hell wouldn't be talking silly playground GI Joe bullshit like Avi/Jessup.

Hopefully the real story of our subjugation and destruction of Iraq--at the direct orders of the Israeli contagion--and the colossally catastrophic results, will come forth. However, if Americans are truly forced to face the facts, it could be bad for "So You Think You Can Dance" ratings.

Here's what's really going on...

WASHINGTON (AP) — After Roger Suarez's eldest son died in Iraq two years ago, the grieving father buried him in his homeland of Nicaragua and tried to move on.

In recent weeks, Suarez's emotional wounds have been ripped open. A video was posted online of a chaotic fire fight that involved his 21-year-old son, Pfc. Roger Suarez-Gonzalez. Taken from a camera mounted on a soldier's helmet, it raised the possibility that his son and another soldier died not by enemy fire as their families were told, but by U.S. tank rounds in a "friendly fire" incident.

"I don't feel satisfied," Suarez said in Spanish in a telephone interview from Carson City, Nev., where he and his wife own a tiny restaurant, Lady Tamales.

"I would like a second opinion," Suarez said. "I have the opinion of the Army but I'd like someone to give me another opinion."

Suarez is not the only one questioning the Army's conclusion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has instructed his staff to work with the Army and the Suarez family to review the incident and see whether anything more should be done. Two House members are asking the Pentagon for a new investigation into the deaths of Suarez-Gonzalez and Pfc. Albert Nelson, 31, of Philadelphia.

The two died Dec. 4, 2006, while fighting in Ramadi, Iraq, with the 2nd Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division from Fort Carson, Colo.

"It is imperative that factual information, no matter how painful, is provided to the victim's families," wrote Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa. The second request was from Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev.

In October, Salon.com posted an edited, 12-minute version of helmet-camera video showing U.S. soldiers in an intermittent fire fight admiring a U.S. tank from the window of a building. A giant blast suddenly explodes the window, and they recoil.

"Dude, that was the tank," one says.

"Is he shooting at us?" asks another.

"I think so," replies the first.

Later, soldiers describe enemy mortars coming at them.

Both Suarez and Nelson's mother, Jean Nelson-Feggins, say they were never told by the military that such a video existed. Nelson-Feggins, a former Philadelphia police officer, said initially she was told by a casualty officer that her son might have died from friendly fire, but that was the only time she had heard from the military that that was a possibility.

"If it was friendly fire, I mean everybody understands that," Nelson-Feggins said. "Why all the lies if it was just a friendly fire incident?"

The Army denies that the families were not shown the video by the military. Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that the families were shown an abbreviated version of it.

An investigation done by the soldiers' unit and approved by its higher headquarters determined the soldiers were killed by enemy mortar rounds, Boyce said. He said the investigation included a detailed ballistics analysis and a review of gun-camera footage from a Marine Harrier aircraft flying nearby that showed the presence of at least one enemy mortar team.

"The investigation that was done at the time by the investigating officer was extremely thorough," Boyce said.

When a soldier dies from a hostile act in a war zone, it is standard procedure for it to be investigated by the soldier's unit. The Army's Criminal Investigation Command does a separate investigation in circumstances such as when the death is from an unknown origin.

CID did not do an investigation after the deaths of Suarez-Gonzalez and Nelson because it was determined early on after the video was reviewed and soldiers were interviewed that the soldiers died because of enemy action, not fratricide, Boyce said.

"There was not a question of friendly fire beyond the initial confusion," Boyce said.

Despite the questions now being raised by family members and lawmakers, Boyce said the Army would not conduct a new investigation. He said the Army reserved the right to do so if new evidence surfaces. To the Army, though, the video that has now surfaced publicly is not new evidence.

About a month after the video was posted online, Suarez met in Carson City with Army officers who sought to convince him that his son died as the Army has described.

Suarez, who moved from Nicaragua in 1991, said he sat silently during the briefing and did not dispute what the officers were telling him.

But Suarez said in an interview he still has concerns and does not understand why he was not shown a copy of the video earlier by the military.

"It has me upset because if this video hadn't come out, I would have stayed without knowing, with my son dead," Suarez said.

Meanwhile, a picture of Suarez's son hangs in his family's restaurant. Suarez said that every time he looks at it, "it's like he's asking me something."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mKQ8azKAKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zYWx4Yge9Y

WW

[LTS TRN 2]

Really, Sam? And...who's going to attack? Not Israel, they're far too sneaky and only attack when they have overwhelming military superiority--like attacking starving women and children in congested downtown areas under the cover of jets and helicopters. And the U.S. isn't attacking Iran either. Or what? Who else?

[PSUFAN]

The coming Iranian conflagration will make Iraq look like Grenada.

What - are you trying to get an invite to The Alliance? You're joining the wrong team, old man.

[Sirfindafold]

The Alliance = faggots who suck shit out of a dead chicken's ass.

[LTS TRN 2]

And why must Israel attack a huge modern nation that's armed to the tits as well? After all, with the New Pearl Harbor Day forever branded in our national consciousness, the ZioNazis have no compelling need to further terrify Americans. We're already right there with them in the trenches, looking out from our fence perimeters and walls and checkpoints and airport striptease shows. Iran has never made any military action or threat towards Israel--or any other nation. Remember, they were attacked by Iraq. As for the supposed dire threats, consider the probability that these statements are being translated with an obvious bias...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e12790.htm

And most importantly, China and Russia are completely opposed. If Israel must do anything, history and nature dictate that it fold up shop like the Republic of South Africa.

[Mikey]

Hey Stanley, the Smithsonian provides a fun fact for you about our military history, just in time for Black History Month:

In 1781, Baron Ludwig von Closen, a veteran officer in the French Army, remarked that the “best [regiment] under arms” in the Continental Army was one in which 75 percent of the soldiers were African-Americans.


Have a nice day. :)

The guy was French, right? 'nuff said...

[Stanley Pickkkle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... siles-gulf

US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles
Pentagon says Patriot shield will deter strike on American allies in the Gulf


Tension between the US and Iran heightened dramatically today with the disclosure that Barack Obama is deploying a missile shield to protect American allies in the Gulf from attack by Tehran.

The US is dispatching Patriot defensive missiles to four countries – Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Kuwait – and keeping two ships in the Gulf capable of shooting down Iranian missiles. Washington is also helping Saudi Arabia develop a force to protect its oil installations.

American officials said the move is aimed at deterring an attack by Iran and reassuring Gulf states fearful that Tehran might react to sanctions by striking at US allies in the region. Washington is also seeking to discourage Israel from a strike against Iran by demonstrating that the US is prepared to contain any threat.

[Mikey]

I live just over the hill from Camp Pendleton. They do a lot of artillery practice there and we can usually hear it when they do, especially when they're dropping the big stuff. Almost any time there's an impending invasion the live fire practice increases for a week or two just before.

I haven't heard much lately.
I'll let you all know.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The coming Iranian conflagration will make Iraq look like Grenada.

What coming Iranian conflagration?

Didn't you read poptart's thread?

Economic meltdown...nuclear war...police state crackdown...

...but this time, poptart really really really means it. Guaranteed. For sure. Take it to the bank. Done deal.

[BarFlie]

this thread reminds me of an old saying... if you weren't there shut the fuck up!

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

this thread reminds me of an old saying... if you weren't there shut the fuck up!

And yet, you felt compelled to post in it?

Maybe BarFlie "was there"?

[BarFlie]

yes, the war topic sounded interesting