14-0...and counting

[Van]

Why not? They let Texas do it last year, and they would've let Florida do it last year too.

[Dinsdale]

Why not? They let Texas do it last year, and they would've let Florida do it last year too.

Did you really just ask a question and expect a reasonable answer from SECBSH, or are you Trolling For Rednecks?

[Dinsdale]

I give up.

I'll take "Things SEC Athletic Directors say when Charleston Southern doesn't have an open date on the schedule for $1000, Alex."

[M Club]

No, Boise does not get the same level players as the worst schools of the major conferences. Not yet anyway. Or at least not as many of them.

heh, you must have a whistle and a clipboard. please, break down the talent between boise state and the minnesotas of the world.

Sure, if they were in a major conference, they might. But, as of now, they don't. I'm talking about Boise State now...the team they have now and for the last ten years.

boise state right now? off the top of my head they return like 20 starters from an undefeated team that won a bcs bowl. i'm also pretty sure you'll have no issue with bama's early-season ranking.

[TheJON]

Who cares who has the higher recruited class? Unless you're recruiting the absolute best of the best (ie USC, tOSU, Tejas), it's all about developing players. I shit you not, the near downfall of the Ferentz era was due to the highest rated recruiting class in school history (2005). They were top 10. 2005-2007 were lousy years BECAUSE that class was a complete bust. We had 4 and 5 stars all over the place that couldn't even crack the 2-deep. 2 and 3 stars were beating them out.

Iowa State does not outrecruit Boise State. Iowa State would get drilled by Boise State. So would Minnesota, Indiana, Baylor, etc......

[H4ever]

Who cares who has the higher recruited class? Unless you're recruiting the absolute best of the best (ie USC, tOSU, Tejas),

it's all about developing players....

Iowa State does not outrecruit Boise State. Iowa State would get drilled by Boise State. So would Minnesota, Indiana, Baylor, etc......

I agree with you on "developing" players. Nebraska knows this as well as anyone over the years. 2 and 3 stars do become all americans and get drafted to the NFL where they perform well (Tom Rathman...for starters).

I think Sam and other's point should be easy to absorb, understand, and agree with if condsidered properly.

Sure....Boise St. might put the wood to any of the teams you just mentioned. But....could they beat Minnesota, then Indiana, then Baylor, then Texas Tech, then Mississippi State, etc week after week in a conference where rivalries are also built in?

I don't think so...I think they'd eventually get their collective dicks kicked into the dirt due to a lack of depth and the inability to play above their heads week after week. They'd be so fucking banged up, they'd have two stars and walk-ons from the 3 deep at every position.

They need the two to 5 week shit team breaks between games in order to get up for any team worth talking about.

Give them a whole month to prepare for a team like Oklahoma and they might pull some circus shit out of their ass and get the win in a nail-biter....wait, that already happened.

[M Club]

I think Sam and other's point should be easy to absorb, understand, and agree with if condsidered properly.

Sure....Boise St. might put the wood to any of the teams you just mentioned. But....could they beat Minnesota, then Indiana, then Baylor, then Texas Tech, then Mississippi State, etc week after week in a conference where rivalries are also built in?

oh, minnesota (beat south dakota state, at home, by a fg last year, avenging their loss the year before), indiana (eeked out wins against western mich and eastern kentucky), baylor (baylor?), taco tech, and finally miss state (whoops, lost to houston).

yes, they could beat those teams. funny that your argument is "oh, they beat good teams, but there's no way in hell they could play against bcs riff-raff."

[H4ever]

I think Sam and other's point should be easy to absorb, understand, and agree with if condsidered properly.

Sure....Boise St. might put the wood to any of the teams you just mentioned. But....could they beat Minnesota, then Indiana, then Baylor, then Texas Tech, then Mississippi State, etc week after week in a conference where rivalries are also built in?

yes, they could beat those teams. funny that your argument is "oh, they beat good teams, but there's no way in hell they could play against bcs riff-raff."

What's your point? Are you suggesting Boise would have unblemished records year after year if they played the "BCS riff-raff" you mention in place of the intramural flag-football teams they normally play? I don't think so, Tim.

Most of Boise's conference foes and 3/4 of their OOC schedule couldn't beat USC/Texas/Bama/tOSU/Florida/'s fuck it.... Nebraska's 2nd team.

Boise would be a middle of the pack team in the Big 12. Over the course of ten years, Oklahoma State would have a better overall record. Big Ten? Iowa (your welcome Jon) would have a better record in a ten year span. SEC? Auburn would have better success in the same time frame.

Yep....fuck an A!!! They deserve a shot at the national title ducking competition in their SHIT conference!

[Killian]

I don't think so, Tim.

A fucking Home Improvement reset? Wow.

[Screw_Michigan]

I don't think so, Tim.

A fucking Home Improvement reset? Wow.

I'm still fucking pissed TV Land bumped four straight hours of Married With Children to show Home fucking Improvement.

[M Club]

What's your point? Are you suggesting Boise would have unblemished records year after year if they played the "BCS riff-raff" you mention in place of the intramural flag-football teams they normally play? I don't think so, Tim.

since you've gone all jon and have to use nebraska to illustrate every single point you have to make, i'll assume it's the nebraska-ish education that caused you to miss this:

if boise played in a bcs conference they probably would lose a couple games like most BTPCF teams invariably do, just like bama, florida, texas, usc, etc. but that doesn't mean they couldn't go undefeated, nor does it mean they'd be in the bottom half of conference standings like you take for granted.

the point, "midwesterner," is that you dipshits take the exact opposite viewpoint of what you accuse anyone who thinks, meh, let them play for the mnc by assuming boise state would get throttled if it had to run a gauntlet of teams they're better than. just because you've rationalized miss state, colorado, nebraska's second-team, and minnesota into a bunch of two-star CORNFED STUDS does it mean boise state would curl into the fetal position because, omg, they have to play a game in waco. until you can explain away everyone else's pussy schedule, you don't really have a point to hang your skoal on.

[TheJON]

since you've gone all jon and have to use nebraska to illustrate every single point you have to make, i'll assume it's the nebraska-ish education that caused you to miss this:

<plays dumb> but i don't use Nebraska to illustrate every point I have to make <plays dumb>

By the way.......

Have I mentioned Iowa has finished in the Top 10 nationally 4 times in the last 8 years...........3 more than Michigan?

[M Club]

it's part of our big ten empathy tour. now i know what it feels like to be an iowa fan.

[M Club]

and an indiana fan.

[War Wagon]

I give up.

Where have I heard this before... and how come I keep hearing it?

Weren't u saying this the past 5 Novembers or so?

See you next November.

Rack M-Club, btw... he's like my worst nightmare of what it'd be like to have both R-Jack and ucant dogging my every step.

Ridiculously scary.... it's best to avoid this M-Club fella'.

[R-Jack]

Fwiw, I've heard that Boise has an open invitation to every BCS team in the country that they will play a one-off on the road. It would seem that they would get a better OOC schedule than they get. Maybe some of those teams don't want any part of them.

A nice publicity stunt.

Yeah, RACK it.

sin,

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Prove it.

[M Club]

Jesus Christ! This is so simple.

if it's so simple then

Prove it.

I can't believe the responses I've been getting.

the responses you've been getting include a lot of conjecture, albeit less than those your statements require. let's see, you:

boise state would be the suck IF they played in a bcs conference.

us:

boise state has won a lot of games, including those against bcs games.

like i already said, you're reduced to using games they've won as proof they'd lose hypothetical games in the future.

[TheJON]

m club, need you to settle a little argument here.........

so i'm arguing with this dumbass about michigan football at the water cooler earlier. shit, i don't remember how it even got started, neither of us are michigan fans....

so i say that if DickRod wins 7 next year he'll be back in 2011 for sure. 6 wins and it's 50/50. anything less and he's probably gone. he says that he needs a minimum of 8 wins or he will definitely be canned.

so who is right? water cooler tard or TheJON? gotta be me, right? who the fuck this guy think he's arguing with? maybe i should showed him my locks of the week record.

[WolverineSteve]

Allow me to answer.....

RR needs to win 7+, win a bowl game (especially since it will be a shit one), and have no more blemishes on the program. The word is, now that Bill Martin will give way to the new AD, the name on top of any prospective coaching list is Jim Harbaugh. Brandon (the new ad) is a Bo disciple and does not fancy the RR "system". Without a breakthrough season RR will be gone. There was some bad blood between Martin and Harbaugh and his departure opens the doors for a return to AA. Harbaugh reportedly turned down a ND interview as well as two NFL interviews. Hell, 8 wins and a bowl loss may not be enough.

[M Club]

so who is right? water cooler tard or TheJON? gotta be me, right? who the fuck this guy think he's arguing with? maybe i should showed him my locks of the week record.

fuck if i know. i'm just like anyone else with an opinion. the guy who'll make that decision hasn't publicly laid out the criteria for dickrod to keep his job, so just pointless conjecture on my part. (i used to have a friend pretty high up in the ad, but he's since moved onto another school, so my days of pretend inside info are long past.)

that said, the 8-16 AT MICHIGAN, OMG isn't fully indicative of the job he's doing. he did come into a pretty shite situation personnel-wise, so it's not like the record is entirely his doing. but he's had a couple years now so that, really, anything less than seven wins probably means he's in over his head and should be let go.

as far as brandon not buying into dickrod's system, meh. i'd think he prefers to win regardless of who the coach is, so i doubt he's going withhold his support from dickrod. michigan still has a lot of brand to live off of, but not enough to get away with sabotaging a season in order to affect regime change. plus, brandon's publicly said he has an issue with the factions that have formed within the AD, which seems to me a vote of confidence in dickrod considering it's not those in his corner who are making so much noise. besides, who'd actually stake their legacy as AD on the lloyd carr mafia? i'd rather have dickrod going 5-7 while recruiting devin gardner than ron english going 6-6 from here till eternity.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Boise has trouble with some of the pissant schools in their conference.

Sam, Sam, Sam . . . Boise's conference schedule from last season, with results . . .

Fri, Sep 18 at Fresno State W 51-34
Sat, Oct 24 at Hawaii W 54-9
Sat, Oct 31 San Jose State W 45-7
Fri, Nov 6 at Louisiana Tech W 45-35
Sat, Nov 14 Idaho W 63-25
Fri, Nov 20 at Utah State W 52-21
Fri, Nov 27 Nevada W 44-33
Sat, Dec 5 New Mexico State W 42-7

The closest game in the conference schedule was a 10-point win. I wouldn't say they had trouble with any member of their conference last year.

[Goober McTuber]

Rack Terry for mucking things up with a bunch of facts.

[SunCoastSooner]

Boise has trouble with some of the pissant schools in their conference.

Fri, Sep 18 at Fresno State W 51-34

Fri, Nov 6 at Louisiana Tech W 45-35

Fri, Nov 27 Nevada W 44-33

Shitty teams. Not good wins. No defense at all.

If you watched the LaTech game, you'd know just how bad BSU was.

Have you gone and looked up how many shit teams like Ball State and Louisville that the SEC teams gave up 4 TDS+ against last season?

[Mace]

No reasonable person can argue that BSU has the same level of talent as schools in BCS conferences...at least not the ones that are consistent winners. There may not be any way to prove how they would compete in a BCS conference but you can look at the number of former BSU players in the NFL as compared to other schools and see that there are only a sprinkling of BSU guys with the talent to make an NFL roster.

[M Club]

I'm tired of repeating my point ad nauseam.

if it were so convincing you wouldn't have to repeat yourself.

i find it rather humorous no one takes the bcs seriously, yet mention bsu getting a chance to play for the title and you freak the fuck out.

[H4ever]

I'm tired of repeating my point ad nauseam.

if it were so convincing you wouldn't have to repeat yourself.

i find it rather humorous no one takes the bcs seriously, yet mention bsu getting a chance to play for the title and you freak the fuck out.

I find it incredulous the way you maintain how BSU could hang in a BCS conference the same way they excel in a shit conference that means as much to BTPCFB as the musical significance of the Indian from the VILLAGE PEOPLE.

M Club will now break out the spelling, grammer, and 'neck smack he's been slinging since 1999. Or he might mention how he already conceded how Boise would lose a couple games in a BCS conference. <--- There's the real humor....considering how he believes they DO deserve a spot in the title game should they run the table again in the shit conference even though they would lose at least 2 games in the Big 12/10/SEC.

I expect nothing less from a Bitchigan fan whose team has a duck and dodge championship. The real kicker is how Bitchigan is tied in with 1984 BYU's faux title.

[M Club]

really, i break out the spelling/grammar smack? prove it, you unemployed truck driver.

the neck thing, though, is self-evident. you write retarded things on a message board and people will make fun of the telephone pole you call a family tree.

the question that started this thread, welfare queen, is whether boise state can make the bcs title game if we're to take for granted an undefeated season. their hypothetical performance in a bcs conference is irrelevant to that question. a rather easy line of thought to follow.

i can tell you as much about how boise state would do in the big xii as i can tell you how iowa's going to do this year in the big ten. i've never maintained otherwise. in fact, the only things i've really said in this thread are [1] the bcs is a farce so BFD if a mid-major on a 30-game winning streak is allowed to play for the mnc and [2] your analysis isn't very credible if your best argument is that their wins don't count.

you're just pissed because no one save a 70-year-old latent racist will passively assume you're right. and because you're gay.

[M Club]

sorry, you're from the south and really old. syllogism.

[Screw_Michigan]

I'm about as racist as the Kardashian girls.

[H4ever]

really, i break out the same-o, same-o...

... you unemployed truck driver.

... you write retarded things

... the telephone pole you call a family tree.

... welfare queen

... because you're gay.

^^^^ that's some ground breaking shit right there, champ. I think you're ready for the playground. Just don't crack your head on the monkey bars.

I edited out the " bla bla.....Boise has won lots of games and stuff.....bla bla...they have da Denver broncos colors which are cool...bla bla bla... Wopner's on at four, yeah....bla bla....I like pop rocks....bla bla"

[M Club]

I'm about as racist as the Kardashian girls.

a roundabout way to say you're stanley pikkle?

[M Club]

I edited out the " bla bla.....Boise has won lots of games and stuff.....bla bla...they have da Denver broncos colors which are cool...bla bla bla... Wopner's on at four, yeah....bla bla....I like pop rocks....bla bla"

basically, you have no counter-argument. that was already clear. anything else?

[H4ever]

I edited out the " bla bla.....Boise has won lots of games and stuff.....bla bla...they have da Denver broncos colors which are cool...bla bla bla... Wopner's on at four, yeah....bla bla....I like pop rocks....bla bla"

basically, you have no counter-argument. that was already clear. anything else?

I think those on my side of the fence in this have argued explicitely our position. Those on your side have done as much in a redundant, rehash kind of way.

To argue further with you, attempting to show you the error of your thinking....I would equate with handing a chimp a calculator and then telling him 157 times how to operate it. Futile.

Agree to disagree, or so they say.

P.S. Boise's field would blend well with Michigan's home unis. Therefore you suck even more!!!!!

[M Club]

I think those on my side of the fence in this have argued explicitely our position. Those on your side have done as much in a redundant, rehash kind of way.

i hate to point out the obvious, but

boise sucks because they play in the wac x 100

is a bit more redundant than this:

the question that started this thread, welfare queen, is whether boise state can make the bcs title game if we're to take for granted an undefeated season. their hypothetical performance in a bcs conference is irrelevant to that question. a rather easy line of thought to follow.

you don't even know what the argument's about.

otherwise, if we're going to speculate whether boise could survive any sort of meatgrinder, my vote now is yes:

BOISE, Idaho (AP)—A Boise State football player suspended from the team earlier this month has been arrested and charged with felony aggravated battery.

BTPCF!

[Screw_Michigan]

Indiana? You quite possibly may be the dumbest motherfucker in the history of the interwebs. When we think you possibly can't get any dumber, you go ahead and lower the bar for the rest of the paint-huffing tards populating this board. Christ almighty.

[Killian]

Can the Broncos get there? Yes. Is it right that they should even be considered? Hell no.

I'd love for them to be matched up with Alabama or Florida. You think the Florida beatdown of Cincy was ugly? Or the way Florida and LSU handled the Big Ten teams*? That was nothing compared to what they'd do to Boise.


*Note: out of respect for the Buckeye posters in here, I didn't want to single out tOSU. :D

You might want to go ahead and just single out the Buckeye fans. What happened the last time Florida played a Big 10 team?

Also, it could turn out to be the 2010 Sugar Bowl just as easily as it could the 2009 Sugar Bowl.

[M Club]

those teams wouldn't go through a wac schedule undefeated, or do we have to pull their ooc histories out for you?

in addition to running through their weak conference, boise also has to beat wyoming, oregon state, and vatech for this discussion to have actual relevance. if they finish the season undefeated some of us would have no issue, for whatever reason, with them playing for the mnc (and would most likely place our bets on whichever sec team is there this year). you obviously would have an issue with that scenario. fine, difference of opinion, but really, now you're just stretching to make a feeble defense of your point.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Any of those colleges I mentioned could go undefeated thru BSU's conference schedule. Who the fuck on their schedule could beat Indiana or Vandy?!

What about all those other schools you mentioned would do the same thing, and I pointed out how they were a combined 0-3 vs the WAC over the last 2 years?

Funny they've been eliminated from the list.

[Dinsdale]

Why would any good school be afraid of them?

Fuck off.