Collateral Murder: Sucks to be you, Haji

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

View it while it's still legal in your country, Americans.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

5th April 2010 10:44 EST WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

[Goober McTuber]

View it while it's still legal in your country, Americans.

Hey, I think my grandson has that videogame, but his is in color.

[Tom In VA]

That is definitely tragic for all involved. Christ.

[mvscal]

It was a good kill. If propagandi...err journalists want to embed themselves with insurgents, that's fine. Just don't come crying to me when they get greased. It's probably also not a good idea to take kids along for ride in the "ambulance" into a free fire zone.

War means killing so grab your deflated grape sacks and deal with it.

[LTS TRN 2]

Well....SCOREBOARD on my dire assessment of America as the sole Nazi-like marauding military menace. :doh:

(let's turn away as Avi and ilk whip the whistle...eeeeww)

[Stanley Pickkkle]

It was a good kill. If propagandi...err journalists want to embed themselves with insurgents, that's fine. Just don't come crying to me when they get greased. It's probably also not a good idea to take kids along for ride in the "ambulance" into a free fire zone.

War means killing so grab your deflated grape sacks and deal with it.

Wow....looks like mvscal is RIGHT again.

[Van]

And right on cue, there's good ol' Nick, once again NOT equating the U.S. to the Nazis.

[LTS TRN 2]

Sure, the Nazis didn't have attack helicopters, and they generally didn't speak English, and they.......well that's about it for the differences.

As for the direct similarities....you can start with the gleeful sadistic zeal in shooting anything that moves in a land brutally invaded on false premises.

And then there's the international disgrace and shame of such vile marauding behavior. Of course the Nazis made similar efforts to kill any reporters, etc.

As for Iraq and Afghanistan serving as a Stalingrad, as it were, sure it's basically the same ghastly Quagmire that sucks out all the life of an army, while busting the budget back home.

The U.S. military, meanwhile, is shitting large brick-shaped objects as we speak--and the world examines the "messy business" of "liberating a nation."

[Van]

Okay, cool, Nick. Once and for all, we may lay to rest any past efforts of yours to disassociate yourself from all your attempts to equate us with the Nazis, even as we disregard all such future dodges.

Nick says we only differ from the Nazis in terms of our technology. It's written in stone.

You know, just so we're clear.

[LTS TRN 2]

Well, we know that Prescott Bush and many other prominent industrialists worked very profitably with the Nazis--and shared their ideology as well. So...what's your question as far as our subsequent giant War Machine approach to foreign affairs? Vietnam was the American version of the Wermacht only twenty years after WWII, and this current atrocity is the same. What is your question, again?

Have you watched this vid? What's the "difference"?

[Van]

I don't have a question here, other than the one pertaining to your sanity.

[LTS TRN 2]

I don't have a question here, other than the one pertaining to your sanity.

Well, considering that you're on record as insisting that Karaoke Boy is somehow a better guitarist than John McLaughlin, I'm hardly surprised at your lack of curiosity--or basic honesty.

The hideous crime of Vietnam...the fake premises of the Iraq invasion...the TOTAL bullshit rationale of Afghanistan...the galling corruption of the entire defense industry orgy over the past eight years...and of course the bottom line moral default of whoring out the entire values, principles, and reputation of America for the disgusting race state experiment of ZioNazis. All of this just rolls by you as you plod on in some idiotic fake life. :wink:

[Van]

A fake life?

[LTS TRN 2]

Sure, don't act surprised. As every grifter knows, fake doesn't preclude living a "normal" life.

[Van]

Oddball tangents, thy name be Nick!

[smackaholic]

Vietnam was the American version of the Wermacht only twenty years after WWII, and this current atrocity is the same.

yup, we was just looking for a little liebenstraum. (prolly fukked that spelling up)

had absolutely nothing to do with, oh, i dunno, stopping the commies from making the entire planet a worker's paradise. nope, that had nothing to do with it.

[smackaholic]

the galling corruption of the entire defense industry orgy over the past eight years...

8?

wtf?

who you trying to sell short. our gallingly corrupt military industrial complex is at least 50 years old.

Ike out front should have told you so.

[mvscal]

I don't know what the rules are when this situation arises,

Combatants get killed.

[poptart]

Btw, it's Hadji.

Some of y'all are seriously slipping, that I have to come in here like this.


Get your shit together.

[Goober McTuber]

Btw, it's Hadji.

You knew the guy? T & P, buddy.

[LTS TRN 2]

the galling corruption of the entire defense industry orgy over the past eight years...

8?

wtf?

who you trying to sell short. our gallingly corrupt military industrial complex is at least 50 years old.

Ike out front should have told you so.

In describing the "Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex" Ike warned of a never-ending buffet, as it were, of industrialists pushing their snouts deep into the troth of tax payer dollars. And he was right. However, since the New Pearl Harbor Day of 9/11, this buffet has grown into an all out bacchanalia of military procurement--and waste and theft--unprecedented in human history.

How much do you suppose that helicopter slaughter cost? How about the robocop body armor for the average grunt in Afghanistan?

Okay, now how much do you suppose the ENTIRE cost of WWII was?

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[Tom In VA]

In describing the "Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex" Ike warned of a never-ending buffet,

Isn't that like Michael Moore warning people of the evils of the Golden Corral as he's picking bits of food out of his beard and smearing ketchup stains trying to hide them while walking out after a 12 hour feast ?


Sure it is.

[mvscal]

Btw, it's Hadji.

Some of y'all are seriously slipping, that I have to come in here like this.


Get your shit together.

Actually, it's Hajji. Deploying the spelling smack boomerang is a good way to KYOA. Use with caution.

[mvscal]

I beleive the fact it was not marked as an ambulance means it is fair game - MVS would probably be able to define.

That would depend on their specific ROE. I don't know what those were but, presumably, they were taken into account when they were cleared to fire.

There is also a larger operational context to consider. The soda straw view of this action isn't very useful for understanding what was happening outside of those few square meters of ground.

I know it's hard for sperm belching halfwits such as Nick Felchco to understand, but our guys really don't roll out of the rack in the morning and start blowing away random individuals for shits and grins.

[Mr T]

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[LTS TRN 2]

Categorical bullshit.

The pilots were so eager to start shooting everything in sight--they were pleading "C'MON, LET US SHOOT!" They wanted to see an "RPG", they wanted to see a gun, and would have been pouty and irritable all day long back at the base if they hadn't been given the clearance to massacre the whole group. When it turned out they were completely wrong, they tried to lie about it and hide the evidence.

The guy on the radio who gave them clearance to blow away the van sounds like an eighteen year-old...."Well, we've got no one in the area..go ahead!"

Absolutely disgraceful behavior for any military group, let alone the one who is still attempting to justify and rationalize its actions in the first place ("He was a threat..to his own people..uh..")

Imaging how many THOUSANDS of incidents like this have occurred without a video leaking out.

Yeah, and "Mr.T"..uh perhaps you forgot that "Col. Jessup" in the movie A Few Good Men was a murdering lunatic who disgraced his honor, his corp, and his nation--and was properly led away to prison. You do recall that, right? Now if you're suggesting that McCrystal and his ilk are approximately the same in terms of demented and deranged behavior, well, good post. :wink:

[poptart]

Btw, it's Hadji.

Some of y'all are seriously slipping, that I have to come in here like this.


Get your shit together.

Actually, it's Hajji. Deploying the spelling smack boomerang is a good way to KYOA. Use with caution.

Jonny (that is correct spelling) Quest Hadji was spelled this way.

Is there some other Hadji?


Btw, I never realized Tim Matheson was the voice of Jonny Quest.

Useless factoid.

[Smackie Chan]

Is there some other Hadji?

haj·ji   /ˈhædʒi/ [haj-ee] –noun, plural haj·jis.
1. a Muslim who has gone on a pilgrimage to Mecca.
2. a Christian from Greece, Armenia, or any country of the Near East, who has visited the Holy Sepulcher at Jerusalem.

[Rich Fader]

Question: If there were al-Reuters hacks in the group, how do you know it was an indiscriminate killing?

[Truman]

Well, we know that Prescott Bush and many other prominent industrialists worked very profitably with the Nazis--and shared their ideology as well...

Well said!

/s/

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

So glad this is turning into another Democrat/Republican checkers match. That was my intention all along.

[Tom In VA]

La Maison d'opération Divisée est en route. Bon Martyred de travail