Let the debate continue

[Cueball]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5197469

I sure hope the NFL does something about their fucked contracts. It's tiring to to see year after year a player pissing and moaning about wanting a new deal with multiple years remaining on the current one. The NFLPA and past player analysts seem to misplace their soapbox when metric shit tons on caysh are thrown at top draft choices that under perform their contracts without ever stepping on a NFL field.

[poptart]

I have no problem with M. Faulk's advise to C. Johnson, IF he gives the very same advise to those who have failed to live UP to expectations based on where they were drafted.

Has he told such disappointing players to go in and offer to take PAY CUTS?

I think we know the answer to that.


Eat a fat cock, M. Faulk and C. Johnson.

[mvscal]

Has he told such disappointing players to go in and offer to take PAY CUTS?

No real need to. Those players get cut.

Johnson fucked up by signing a five year rookie contract. Rookie contracts in general need to be totally reworked. Two years max with minimal bonus based on draft slot and performance based incentives.

That said, Johnson is well within his rights to ask for a renegotiated contract since contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. In fact, that would be the intelligent business move on his part. His stock will never be higher than it is right now and he could (and probably will) be done in three years anyway.

[poptart]

Some underachievers get cut.
Some hang around as overpaid slugs, though.

Johnson is well within his rights to ask for a renegotiation, and I frankly think the Titans should do right by him, BUT holding out is a bitch move.

He's under contract.

[Goober McTuber]

And those contracts mean shit. When the NFL is ready to start honoring those "contracts", the players should start honoring them, too.

[poptart]

The contracts may mean "shit," but you're well aware of the large GUARANTEED upfront money given in many of them.

Some dogs cash very LARGE checks.

[Goober McTuber]

That's the club's decision to guarantee money. But other than that, the players are at the mercy of the clubs on the non-guaranteed money which you seem to think the players should honor.

[poptart]

Gobbles, you basically can't sign a 1st round rookie without giving them significant guranteed upfront money.

Johnson, for example, can cry about only making $550,000 this season, but he already cashed in on 7 million dollars guaranteed before he even stepped on the field.

Do you realize how many guys cash in that way and then fail to perform up to expectations?

By M. Faulk's logic, they should be offering to give back the money.

[mvscal]

BUT holding out is a bitch move.

A. He isn't holding out. He skipped voluntary workouts.

B. Actually, it is a smart business move. How much longer is his career going to last averaging 350 touches per year?

He's under contract.

Who gives a fuck? Owners wipe their asses with these contracts all the time. What part of they aren't guaranteed do you not understand?

[poptart]

What part of Johnson was already paid 7 million GUARANTEED do you not get?

Faulk was advising Johnson to hold out.
That is different than skipping voluntaries.

Faulk: "Without a doubt, if more money is what he wants, he has to hold out. In my opinion, there is no way he can come in and play under the current contract.''



Cunt move.

You're looking at this from only the player's point of view.
Try looking at it from an ownership point of view.

It's not the Titans fault that Johnson was "only" the 24th player picked -- as opposed to, for the sake of discussion -- a top 5 pick.

He got paid what he deserved.

You can say that the Titans made a helluva good pick.
And they saved themselves a lot of jack.

But now you want to penalize them and make them pay as if he was a top 5 pick.

So their shrewd drafting got them nothing, financially.

That's wack, guy.


Again, Johnson should ASK for a renegotiation, and I do think Tennessee should UP him, but taking a demanding stance on it -- get fucked dick.

[BSmack]

So their shrewd drafting got them nothing, financially.

It got them two years of All Pro level RB play for a bargain rate. It also allowed them to dump Len Whale White. Meanwhile, there are hundreds of 4-5 year rookie deals that NFL teams have not "honored".

[poptart]

Meanwhile, there are hundreds of 4-5 year rookie deals that NFL teams have not "honored".

Yeah, lol, other than the guaranteed jack a lot of those slugs pocketed.

That was part of the deal.

JaMarcus Russell one high profile case.

Over 30 million bones guaranteed.

Not a peep out of M. Faulk about a guy like that giving money BACK to ownership.

Players like Faulk and Johnson only want to look at things as a one-way street.

Not many professions pay you big money UP FRONT before you even do any work or prove yourself.

Cry me a river.

[BSmack]

JaMarcus Russell one high profile case.

For every JaBingeEater out there there are a hundred or so mid to late round picks who strap on the chinstrap with little to no guarantees.

[R-Jack]

It's not the Titans fault that Johnson was "only" the 24th player picked -- as opposed to, for the sake of discussion -- a top 5 pick.

He got paid what he deserved.

You can say that the Titans made a helluva good pick.
And they saved themselves a lot of jack.

But now you want to penalize them and make them pay as if he was a top 5 pick.

So their shrewd drafting got them nothing, financially.

No, their shrewd drafting got them a player that played above the contract of the 24th player. Now he is slotted far beyond that. They gained a huge amount financially by only paying him $7 Mill guaranteed.

Yes, helluva pick. Now he's an elite player, so you pay him as such. The higher draft picks that don't perform to Johnson's level won't get the second contract that Johnson gets. They don't need to give back guaranteed money because they won't get paid the same way the second time around if they don't perform. That's how contracts for rookies work. We can make a case for a rookie cap or something, but that is a different debate for a different day. You seem to want to penalize the player just because he wasn't a top 5 pick. Your logic is rapidly approaching JONsense.

[poptart]

You seem to want to penalize the player just because he wasn't a top 5 pick.

Penalize him?

Are you serious?

I'm penalizing him by telling him he needs to honor the contract he signed?

Tennessee hasn't dishonored the contract in any way.

They gained a huge amount financially by only paying him $7 Mill guaranteed

Yes, that's right, but what I am saying is that you NEGATE much of that gain if you force them to renegotiate after year 2 of a 5 yr contract, because not only will they have to seriously UP his yearly pay, a new contract will require them to pay him a very handsome amount UP FRONT.

It should be Johnson's problem that he signed a 5 yr deal.

[BSmack]

It should be Johnson's problem that he signed a 5 yr deal.

Johnson's "problem"?

Johnson's problem was that he was told that if he wanted to play in the NFL he would have to play for Tennessee and play for the deal his slot called for. He had about as much choice in the matter as you or I did.

Now if he had entered with the rest of his class as a pure free agent and negotiated with any and all takers in a truly free market for whatever period of time he so chose, then we wouldn't be having this debate.

[mvscal]

You're looking at this from only the player's point of view.

That is the only relevant point of view. Johnson is making a business decision and a smart one at that.

Try looking at it from an ownership point of view.

Johnson is a 1st team all pro and Offensive Player of the Year and just set the record on yards from scrimmage while joining the 2,000 yard club and he did it for a paltry 3.5 million dollars.

Looking at it from a ownership point of view....they got over bigtime and they are going to have pay him commensurate with his level of performance if they wish to retain his services. If they are smart, they'll pay him, but Bud Adams isn't smart so who knows.

It's strictly business. No need to get your tighty whiteys in a bundle.