Not much of a craftsman, but....

[Dinsdale]

Have no idea what Rump's hood is like, but 'round these parts, we have a word for a 12X12X0.33 concrete slab that was poured with no ground prep...

We call that "powdered rock."


But we also have these things called "topography," and "seismism," and a whole buncha stuff you're not familiar with.

[Truman]

...'round these parts...

Outstanding, Dins! Nice colloquialism! We'll have all you Oregonians conversing with the mother-tongue accent in no-time!

Sin,

Missouri

[War Wagon]

Have no idea what Rump's hood is like...

He posted a pic of flat ground, dumbass.

But we also have these things called "topography," and "seismism," and a whole buncha stuff you're not familiar with.

Topography for a small slab? Seismism? A whole buncha stuff? Stuff like what?

Like a 6 sided board and phillips head bits, you once again don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But go ahead and say it in such a way that you can garner some guffaws from the peanut gallery.

Meanwhile, I've forgotten more about concrete forming than you'll ever be able to Google. I've worked in the business for 27 years.

[Dinsdale]

Topography for a small slab? Seismism? A whole buncha stuff? Stuff like what?

Figure it out, you who lives in the land that time forgot.


The ground moves here... constantly.


Oh, and we also have these things called "trees," who think your idea of a non-reinforced thin slab is pretty fucking funny.


Don't get me wrong, it done a'plenty around here. And at 4", you're lucky to get more than a couple of years out of it.

[PSUFAN]

go ahead and say it in such a way that you can garner some guffaws from the peanut gallery

...


yes, please do. I know we all would appreciate it...all except WeltSchmerz Wagon, who apparently doesn't come here to get a guffaw, if that can be believed.

[Dinsdale]

So what is hopefully Dumbass Wagon's swansong here consists of what amounts to...

Trying to argue against the superiority of a square drive over a phillips, and...


Arguing that a rectangular solid has a number of sides that's inequal to 6.



Yup, you did read that right, folks... that was actually his defense against allegations of rampant dumbfuckery.


Just leaves one riveted to one's monitor, eagerly awaiting Wags trying to discuss a topic that goes beyond twisting a screw or counting to 6, doesn't it?

[War Wagon]

Wagon's swansong

My swansong won't be sung tonight.

Trying to argue against the superiority of a square drive over a phillips...

I argued no such thing. I called bullshit on you saying phillips bits wear out faster than square head bits.

Arguing that a rectangular solid has a number of sides that's inequal to 6.

So now a board is a rectangular solid with 6 sides... wtf ever. I maintain that a board has 4 sides and 2 ends. Semantics, I suppose. Want to make an issue of it? I guess you already snared me in that trap.

Just leaves one riveted to one's monitor, eagerly awaiting Wags trying to discuss a topic that goes beyond twisting a screw or counting to 6, doesn't it?

I know more about rivets than you do too.

[mvscal]

Btw, can someone fill me in on the dins/square headed deck screw saga?

I don't recall ever hearing the story behind this.

Happy now?

[Dinsdale]

So now a board is a rectangular solid with 6 sides...

Yup.

"Now," tommorow, yesterday, and since the Dawn of Time (6000 years ago).

[smackaholic]

rumps, that's not a deck. that's a pallet.

[smackaholic]

I'll go ahead and assume your shed will have a floor, in which case 6 or 8 concrete blocks would have provided a better foundation.

If it doesn't have a floor, don't put anything too heavy in there with your 4 ft OC joists. I realize the "decking" of this fairly stout pallet is made of 2xs but still, that's a long span.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...don't put anything too heavy in there...

No...I can't...mustn't...must refrain from hitting SUBMIT...GAGGHGGHGAAAAHGHG!!!!!GH!AHH!!!!

RUMPLEWIFE!!!!!!!!


~pant~pant~pant....god, it's finally passed...pulse returning to normal...breathing...regular....

[War Wagon]

So now a board is a rectangular solid with 6 sides...

Yup.

"Now," tommorow, yesterday, and since the Dawn of Time (6000 years ago).

Sorry, disagree.

You began this discussion as how it relates to staining these sides that I call ends.

The surface area is miniscule, not worthy of note, yet you devote much effort towards calling me stupid.

In your dishonor Dins, the next time I stain the end of a board... probably won't happen. I probably won't stain any of the sides either, just to piss you off.

But if I decide to smoke a bowl of ditchweed or fuck a nasty skank, I'll dedicate that to you.

[Dinsdale]

The surface area is miniscule, not worthy of note, yet you devote much effort towards calling me stupid.

No, I put a very slight amount of effort into letting you prove yourself stupid.

Yes, in terms of total surface area, it's not a large percentage of the board -- it's just the part of the board that is by far the most prone to wear...

dumbass.

The middle of the board doesn't check up -- the "end sides" do, you ignorant dipshit...

Not up for debate... and it was the point I originally made, before you decided to jump in and make a complete fucking fool of yourself.

[War Wagon]

Yes, in terms of total surface area, it's not a large percentage of the board -- it's just the part of the board that is by far the most prone to wear...

Prone to wear from what, you calling it a dipshit unstained board?

No, I'm not lauging with you anymore.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

and since the Dawn of Time (6000 years ago).

Thread multi-tasking. Nice.

[Dinsdale]

Prone to wear from what

Great Googley Moogley... please don't stop.

Just when I think you're reached the top of Retard Mountain, you prove there's another challenging peak that Whitey has yet to conquer.


C'mon, fess up -- you've never actually seen a wood deck before, have you?

[Dinsdale]

Thread multi-tasking. Nice.

Yeah, I'm kinda epic like that.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

- Railway Tie form for the perimeter? check
- Landscaping fabric lined to keep weed and plant growth down? check
- Filled with 3/4 gravel? check
- Good drainage and super-cheap? check

epic win = marty

[Dinsdale]

Huh?

Chemical/pressure treated for decking?


We use that for ground contact.

But for a decking surface?


Let me ponder this...



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...


OK, the jury is back, and the verdict is...



BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


Give a Flyover a chance to live up to their white/insert ethnic group here trash, low-rent, inbred reputation, and they invariably seize the moment.


But nice to know "most" of y'all's use it.


Funny stuff. Y'all's'es call that a "Muzzzzzzurrrrrrrruuuuhhhhhhhhhhhuhuhuhuhuhuh Deck," or some shit like that... because I do, now.

[smackaholic]

that's not a deck.....

this is a deck. well, it will be shortly, anyhoo.



well.....actually, that is what happens when html challenged mofos post on the interwebs. lessee if i can fix it.

[smackaholic]

that's not a deck.....

this is a deck. well, it will be shortly, anyhoo.



well.....actually, that is what happens when html challenged mofos post on the interwebs. lessee if i can fix it.

[Goober McTuber]

Your not-too-terribly-clever addition of the qualifier saves you from being an even bigger dumbass than your last post shows.

Which qualifier is that? That I bought 20' deck boards? That I stained the ends? That I wipe my ass after I shit?

Quick recap here, since all along I’ve been talking about MY deck.

I pointed out that MY decking boards are all exposed on both ends, and stained on both ends. No joints in the middle.

You hysterically claimed that apparently, they sell 25+ foot decking boards where Goobs lives. You must have assumed that I had a pretty big deck.

I pointed out that MY deck is 19’ 4” long, and that I special-ordered 20’ deck boards.

You then noted (for some unknown reason) that you’ve seen and worked on decks longer than 20’.

I again stated that MY deck was less than 20’ long.

You then posted that the Logic Fairy left a note under my pillow last night that said "Since YOUR deck is less than 20', it stands to reason that ALL decks are less than 20 feet"?

So what? I’m talking about MY deck. Get it?

Smackie, MY bad for trying to argue with Dins by proxy.

[Wolfman]

It's reading stuff like this bickering that makes this board worth visiting. See what you started Goobs ?

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

this is a deck. well, it will be shortly, anyhoo.

Let's hope your deck making skills > your landscaping skills.


Sheesh.

[Carson]

I heard that in parts of China they build their huts on stilts and the pigs live underneath the home, feeding on the human waste and garbage.

I think that would be "Arkansas".

Canadians eat the back bacon from those pigs.

[Goober McTuber]

It's reading stuff like this bickering that makes this board worth visiting. See what you started Goobs ?

I didn't start it. Rumple did. You looking for an arguement?

[Dinsdale]

Good Craftsman... 22" self propelled (front wheel drive), although I prefer Briggs to the Tecumseh that one's equipped with, any day.


Please tell me you're planning on treating the tops of the joists before screwing down the decking? Because once again, you're faced with the "smart way," and the "dumb way."

[smackaholic]

this is a deck. well, it will be shortly, anyhoo.

Let's hope your deck making skills > your landscaping skills.


Sheesh.

Yeah, purty, ain't it.

That area is the lower driveway area. Kinda holding off doing much with it for now. I'd eventually like to lose that door and put in a garage door so I can actually work on shit in the winter without any fears of frostbite. That spot on the foundation you see with the hunks of pipe hanging out of it is actually original, circa 1958. Apparently dude had intentions of an addition, prolly a garage with another room above, but, it never materialized. I've thrown ariound the idea of finishing what he started, but, this fuggin' town sucks me dry in taxes as it is. Doing that would probably add another grand.

[PSUFAN]

You looking for an arguement

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

I'd eventually like to lose that door and put in a garage door so I can actually work on shit in the winter without any fears of frostbite.

:?

[Goober McTuber]

Looks like a door of any kind might be an upgrade.

[smackaholic]

Quite seriously, actually. Why not? There is room for it. It's not likely to end up in architectual digest, but, WGAF. My basement is quite big and has high ceilings, well over 8 ft.

So, go ahead and channel dins and tell me why a garage door there is a bad idea. It's not a load bearing wall, so it's not like I'd need some steel I-beam monster header.

One other thing. In defense of the lovely landscaping, the pile of dirt is the result of having to dig my well out last october and also piling holes this spring. The carnage you see behind the house is actually an improvement. It was all prickers and woods until I celebrated earf day a while back by plowing it all down.

I certainly won't claim to have an indy like pad, but, after the deck is done and the unsightly mid construction landscaping look is gone, it'll be a decent crib. I'll able to sit on that deck with a nice cold thomas hooker (ever have it?, the only reason bloomfield should not be neutron bombed) and enjoy the view all the way to avon, maybe a little further.

Hey dins, nice call on the lawnmower mill. Could you have guessed it without the aircleaner? How many horse?

[smackaholic]

Looks like a door of any kind might be an upgrade.

Oh, there's a door. And it's an old shitty wood one. Only 32 inch. Even if I let ucunt talk me out of a garage door, I will atleast open it up to a double steel one. That way when I put the FJ away for the winter, I won't have to pull the handlebar dampers (weights) off the ends. It's the only way it fits currently.

[smackaholic]

Dins, reguarding treatment of the joists, I seem to recall that when I was at the big yellow box store, the fellow there called it pressure treated, or some such thing. And seeing as how some of those 2x10s were about 70 lbs, I'd say they treated them pertty damn well, under pressure, no less. So what would another coat of stuff now, under hardly any pressure at all do for it? You stain boards to keep them looking pretty, mostly. I hope to never see the top side of them joists again. And if they get a tiny bit punky, bought the time I'm hitting 75-80, fuggit. I overbuilt with 10s where 8s would have been sufficient anyway, so I'm not that worried about it. After lifting every fukking one of those saturated mofos though, I might go with 8s next time.

Cept, there won't be a next time, for me anyway.

[smackaholic]

So now a board is a rectangular solid with 6 sides...

Yup.

"Now," tommorow, yesterday, and since the Dawn of Time (6000 years ago).

Dude, he's right. I gots all sorts of boards out in the yard right about now and I carefully examined a number of them and found that, on average, they were infact six sided. What's really cool though, is if you pick up your makita 7 1/4 inch circular saw and zap through one of them, all of a sudden, you got 12. It's like jesus and the fishes. actually, he was a carpenter, come to think of it, till he decided to quit that and be just another stinking hippy layabout.

[Goober McTuber]

So, go ahead and channel dins and tell me why a garage door there is a bad idea. It's not a load bearing wall, so it's not like I'd need some steel I-beam monster header.

It's not a load-bearing wall? It looks like it's part of the foundation.

[smackaholic]

If you were to venture inside the basement as I've done a few times and look up, you'll see these 6 sided objects (I think). They are called floor joists. These floor joists run parallel to this foundation wall, which does kind of help hold the house up and is therefore, I 'spose a little bit load bearing, but, not near as much as it's brothers on either side that carry 99 percent of the house's load.

How's about I modify my statement to "slight load bearing"?

[Dinsdale]

Hey dins, nice call on the lawnmower mill. Could you have guessed it without the aircleaner? How many horse?

I could have guessed it with the aircleaner removed. A B&S carb is on the other side. And Tecumseh has those funny small mufflers.

I don't think there's any difference in appearance of the different horsepower ratings in that engine series.


BTW -- I'm pretty sure that an exterior concrete wall that holds up the second story is indeed "load bearing."

[smackaholic]

And goobs, ain't one of them even close to 20 ft, but, don't tell dins.