Whatever this is all supossed to mean I'm sure it's all stupid and vulgar. That's your par. One time my wife wanted to look at this forum when I was on the page and I shut it down. No way. Sometimes there are an interesting topic but if most of you try to get above grade 8 level mental it would help the interest to read the board. I know there are some few pretty smart people here and have learned some things from reading. That's true. But a lot of the garbage here most people could do without. Anyway it is very strange or sick to me that some of you seem to walk around thinking about me and my family in your daily life. Why don't you concentrate on your own life or family instead of the Vogels? You can be a bigger man. Just get off it. Thanks.