Your Top 5 after 9/11.

[King Crimson]

Bama and tOSU look the part. not sold on Oklahoma just yet....placekicking is still a (big) problem and i don't think they can run the ball a lick when they need to against better front 7's. FSU's db's were out of position a lot and the Noles as a whole seemed pretty undisciplined, sloppy. Ponder made some really bad 3rd down throws when the game was still in the balance and OU got some big stops that let them pile it on. don't remember which of the FSU posters made it clear that FSU's D was a work in progress (or just not very good). i think that's true.

was impressed with Oregon's 2nd half fisting of Tennessee. i thought the Vols and 12.5 at the half was easy money.

[Go Coogs']

1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Auburn
4. Arkansas
5. South Carolina


/s/

SECBSH

[Moby Dick]

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Texas
4. Oklahoma
5. TCU

[King Crimson]

I'll take your word on OU, but what limited time I saw of it - they looked perty good.

And yeah - Oregon looks to be something else. Most teams that far away from home would have tended to pack it in. UT was too young to cope with OU coming back. They were "bully-whompered". :D

they looked perty good, but OU is pretty tough in Norman and can uncork these sort of beatings on even good teams about once a season. As tough as they can be at Owen Field, they are just as fragile psychologically on the road or in Dallas sometimes (see RRS 4th Q in 05, 08). Cincy 08 (52-26), Miami 09 (51-13), Oregon maybe (31-7) a few years back. Venables is a streaky DC in my book. when the plan is on, his guys are formidable. but, sometimes, they get caught with their pants down scheme-wise and can't adjust...especially in Lubbock against Mike Leach. and, you can bet Indy's McMansion and his BBQ sauce fortune that Brent V. will bring the heat on 3rd and long. it's like the sun coming up. works a lot of the time, but you also get some big conversions.

Stoops did call off the dogs earlier than usual, not wanting to hang "half a hunnerd" on his bro I guess. FSU got a little chippy towards the end and scored their last TD with less than 15 secs left, as well. 4th Q was a farce. i don't read too much into the game. thrilled with the W....but as good as they looked yesterday, they looked just as bad against Utah State in the last 30 minutes.

re: running up the score, "calling off the dogs" [above]....cue UT fan and the "Bob Stoops is the worst elements of sportsmanship, all combined in an astronomical ton of Evil...Mack Brown personifies the Nichomachean Ethics" take.

[King Crimson]

1. Bama (solid, workmanlike win over a good, not great team. game never in doubt)
2. Ohio State (still not so impressed with Miami this year or last, but Buckeyes took care of business)
3. Oregon (Pac 10 looking very winnable....only Cal and Stanford showed positive yesterday. USC and UCLA, what's that smell?)


4. Texas (haven't been world-beaters on O, but getting better and "for real" on D
5. TCU/Oklahoma

[King Crimson]

1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. Auburn
4. Arkansas
5. South Carolina


/s/

SECBSH

i'd flip SC and Arkie. even though we've been warned by BSH that SC is a paper tiger/lion (whichever is the expression)

[Terry in Crapchester]

1. Bama
2. Ohio State
3. Oregon
4. Texas
5. TCU

Keeping Oklahoma out for now due to the fact that they struggled with Utah State.

[campinfool]

WTF you people smoking? Putting Texas in the top 5? They belong nowhere near that. The offense has no identity, no running game, and no one to catch passes and change the game. Gilbert was a badass spread QB in HS and Texas has been running the spread with success since the VY days and now they want to go under center? And the defense is good but not as good as their press clippings say. Chykie Brown gets beat every game on a long ball, the rest of the secondary can't catch gift wrapped INTs and the whole unit seems intent of big hits and head hunting over sound fundamental tackling. As much as I love 'em I'm seeing Alamo Bowl for this group.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

1. bwahahaha Va Tech
2. Schnellenberger's unprecedented idiocy
3. Minnyhaha
4. watching cfb in Detroit
5. leaving Detroit

[SoCalTrjn]

Oregon
Ohio State
Alabama
Oklahoma
Stanford

[M Club]

oregon beat a middling sec team on the road. they return nearly their entire offense last year that scored nearly 23,000 points. granted, qb isn't the position you'd like to be breaking someone in at, but then again you associate it with good decision-making, and masoli...uh...thomas is an upgrade.

ohio state beat goldtoof u at home. why this is particularly impressive, i don't know, especially when harris could have saved everyone the trouble and just handed the ball to jim tressel himself every time they took possession.

bama is breaking in a new defense. what better way to get used to the speed of live football than opening against sjsu and penn state, a team that will score less than 50 points this year.

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

stanford is coached by jim harbaugh. jim harbaugh will eat your face.

so there, not necessarily P10BSH.

[Screw_Michigan]

Osama Bin Laden
Jose Padilla
Khalid Shihk Mohammed
Daniel Pearl's executioner
Richard Reid

[King Crimson]

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

OU plays FSU, Air Force, @Cincinatti, and Texas all before the middle of October.....and you are whinging about their schedule already? you Big Ten guys crack me up.....a 4-7 Purdue squad or a roadie to Northwestern is a tough, ballsout game to you but a 10 win Missouri team always sucks. Kansas wins the Orange Bowl a couple years ago, and they suck too.

[Goober McTuber]

oregon beat a middling sec team on the road. they return nearly their entire offense last year that scored nearly 23,000 points. granted, qb isn't the position you'd like to be breaking someone in at, but then again you associate it with good decision-making, and masoli...uh...thomas is an upgrade.

ohio state beat goldtoof u at home. why this is particularly impressive, i don't know, especially when harris could have saved everyone the trouble and just handed the ball to jim tressel himself every time they took possession.

bama is breaking in a new defense. what better way to get used to the speed of live football than opening against sjsu and penn state, a team that will score less than 50 points this year.

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

stanford is coached by jim harbaugh. jim harbaugh will eat your face.

so there, not necessarily P10BSH.

Your hate of me doesn't justify what you just said.

No one hates you, you obsessive tard. You’re not worth the effort.

I breathlessly await your sparkling "remora" comeback.

[M Club]

oregon beat a middling sec team on the road. they return nearly their entire offense last year that scored nearly 23,000 points. granted, qb isn't the position you'd like to be breaking someone in at, but then again you associate it with good decision-making, and masoli...uh...thomas is an upgrade.

ohio state beat goldtoof u at home. why this is particularly impressive, i don't know, especially when harris could have saved everyone the trouble and just handed the ball to jim tressel himself every time they took possession.

bama is breaking in a new defense. what better way to get used to the speed of live football than opening against sjsu and penn state, a team that will score less than 50 points this year.

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

stanford is coached by jim harbaugh. jim harbaugh will eat your face.

so there, not necessarily P10BSH.

Your hate of me doesn't justify what you just said.

i thought you didn't take this shit seriously, yet every time any one responds to you freak out about remoras, regardless of what the response was. why don't you explain how my takes on those teams are wrong then. let's see something other than scat or the fact you're schmick's remora.

[M Club]

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

OU plays FSU, Air Force, @Cincinatti, and Texas all before the middle of October.....and you are whinging about their schedule already? you Big Ten guys crack me up.....a 4-7 Purdue squad or a roadie to Northwestern is a tough, ballsout game to you but a 10 win Missouri team always sucks. Kansas wins the Orange Bowl a couple years ago, and they suck too.

aside from the "someone has to be ranked in the top five," why would oklahoma be considered a top five team right now other than they're ou and they're going to lose one game in the big xii? they're coming off a five-loss season, were nearly beat by utah state at home, but oh look, they destroyed a brand name school that hasn't done anything in years.

[King Crimson]

oklahoma nearly lost to utah state at home. top 5 on just reputation and a big xii schedule.

OU plays FSU, Air Force, @Cincinatti, and Texas all before the middle of October.....and you are whinging about their schedule already? you Big Ten guys crack me up.....a 4-7 Purdue squad or a roadie to Northwestern is a tough, ballsout game to you but a 10 win Missouri team always sucks. Kansas wins the Orange Bowl a couple years ago, and they suck too.

aside from the "someone has to be ranked in the top five," why would oklahoma be considered a top five team right now other than they're ou and they're going to lose one game in the big xii? they're coming off a five-loss season, were nearly beat by utah state at home, but oh look, they destroyed a brand name school that hasn't done anything in years.

you'll notice that in my own top 5 i put several backspaces between 1,2,3..........and 4, 5. so, we agree on that. However, my response to you had nothing to do with the "someone has got to be there" factor.....but instead your harping about OU's schedule.

[M Club]

you'll notice that in my own top 5 i put several backspaces between 1,2,3..........and 4, 5. so, we agree on that. However, my response to you had nothing to do with the "someone has got to be there" factor.....but instead your harping about OU's schedule.

i'm not harping about ou's schedule, just poking fun at the big xii.

[King Crimson]

you'll notice that in my own top 5 i put several backspaces between 1,2,3..........and 4, 5. so, we agree on that. However, my response to you had nothing to do with the "someone has got to be there" factor.....but instead your harping about OU's schedule.

i'm not harping about ou's schedule, just poking fun at the big xii.

you Big Ten guys crack me up.....a 4-7 Purdue squad or a roadie to Northwestern is a tough, ballsout game to you but a 10 win Missouri team always sucks. Kansas wins the Orange Bowl a couple years ago, and they suck too.

[Mace]

you'll notice that in my own top 5 i put several backspaces between 1,2,3..........and 4, 5. so, we agree on that. However, my response to you had nothing to do with the "someone has got to be there" factor.....but instead your harping about OU's schedule.

i'm not harping about ou's schedule, just poking fun at the big xii.

you Big Ten guys crack me up.....a 4-7 Purdue squad or a roadie to Northwestern is a tough, ballsout game to you but a 10 win Missouri team always sucks. Kansas wins the Orange Bowl a couple years ago, and they suck too.

Glad to see you're starting to catch on. ;)

[M Club]

purdue is 4-7 because they play in the big ten. mizzou only reaches ten wins because they get to play big xii teams.

[King Crimson]

purdue is 4-7 because they play in the big ten. mizzou only reaches ten wins because they get to play big xii teams.

i'm all-too familiar with the "logic". but, the name Meat Grinder is already taken.

[M Club]

big ten = sausage grinder

[King Crimson]

big ten = sausage grinder

talk about a ftfy hanging curveball.....take your pick.

[Bizzarofelice]

big ten = snooze fest

couldn't agree more

[M Club]

big ten = sausage grinder

talk about a ftfy hanging curveball.....take your pick.

maybe i should begin using sarcasm tags? i can point you to where i took a sarcastic turn in this thread, if you need it.

[King Crimson]

big ten = sausage grinder

talk about a ftfy hanging curveball.....take your pick.

maybe i should begin using sarcasm tags? i can point you to where i took a sarcastic turn in this thread, if you need it.

pretty m2ish of you. post something, get called on it....then start posting sarcastically. all that's missing is the "dripping sarcasm" smilie.

[M Club]

pretty shutyomouth of you to respond cluelessly to some quip then pretend the only reason you did so was because i'm the dipshit. it's not my fault you treat this

purdue is 4-7 because they play in the big ten. mizzou only reaches ten wins because they get to play big xii teams.

as a serious comment. or the one about sausage grinders that followed it.

not sure what comment i backed off on. oklahoma gets by on reputation because they - and texas - run roughshod through a pretty weak league just before taking their ridiculously high ranking into a bcs game and losing to a team that came out of a tougher conference.

[King Crimson]

pretty shutyomouth of you to respond cluelessly to some quip then pretend the only reason you did so was because i'm the dipshit. it's not my fault you treat this

purdue is 4-7 because they play in the big ten. mizzou only reaches ten wins because they get to play big xii teams.

as a serious comment. or the one about sausage grinders that followed it.

not sure what comment i backed off on. oklahoma gets by on reputation because they - and texas - run roughshod through a pretty weak league just before taking their ridiculously high ranking into a bcs game and losing to a team that came out of a tougher conference.

of course i treat that as a serious comment. Big Tenners have been throwing out that kind of jon logic since forever...

in fact, you make the weak Big XII (implied OU and Texas couldn't win as much in the Big Bad SSH Big Ten) argument in your next paragraph. see? you can't help it.

if you want to call out "sarcasm", then why not just accept "overstate for effect" also works to highlight an existing logic (Big Ten tough, top to bottom, all the time, every year.......Big XII easy) which taken to it's necessary conclusion becomes absurd. it's like satire....maybe you've heard of that. i can point you to it....if you like. you don't seem like one of the fancy book learnin' hatin' types around here....

[M Club]

in fact, you make the weak Big XII (implied OU and Texas couldn't win as much in the Big Bad SSH Big Ten) argument in your next paragraph. see? you can't help it.

yeah, i made that argument? maybe you can highlight where i did.

and not that i expect you to spreadsheet previous commentary, but i'm not exactly a big ten honk. i'm more familiar with big ten teams because of michigan, but other than that i could give a shit about conference represent. i rooted for texas tech against msu last year, oregon against osu, and gt against iowa. (go penn state and n'western, i suppose.)

even if i was B10BSHing, it still doesn't change the fact that the ou/tejas winner gets to treat the big xii ccg as a coronation event. and those bcs teams that beat ou haven't been from the big ten, just in case you were still going to continue with the big bad big ten thing. oklahoma is basically the big xii's ohio state.

[Screw_Michigan]

oklahoma is basically the big xii's ohio state.

So Oklahoma is the Big 12's big dog?

[M Club]

they win the conference most years, non? maybe we could fuse them and tejas.

[M Club]

you're a stereotype. congrats.

[M Club]

yawn. perhaps you should google more scat/cock jokes. you're recycling your own shitty smack.

[M Club]

up at 4.00 am banging away on ctrl-x, ctrl-v, eh. i thought you were the one trolling here.

do you have a job?

[Goober McTuber]

Unfortunately for OCDspray, his wife took the twins and left him. How else would he have time to post at all hours of the day and night when he should be helping take care of a pair of pre-schoolers.

[Screw_Michigan]

up at 4.00 am banging away on ctrl-x, ctrl-v, eh. i thought you were the one trolling here.

do you have a job?

He's not taking this shit seriously, remember?

[indyfrisco]

up at 4.00 am banging away on ctrl-x, ctrl-v, eh. i thought you were the one trolling here.

do you have a job?

And 5 minutes later, you say:

what time is it where you live? that's how important i am to you.

Jesus you're stupid.

I keep my spreadsheet between my ears, but I believe MClub is on the other side of the world, or he was recently.

[Killian]

Facts have never seemed to get in the way of a IKYABWAI post.

[Goober McTuber]

Unfortunately for OCDspray, his wife took the twins and left him. How else would he have time to post at all hours of the day and night when he should be helping take care of a pair of pre-schoolers.

You never rest, for you've always been here.

Sure thing, tubbster. Go find even one of my posts from 2, 3 or 4 AM.

I'm honestly sorry for you that your wife left you. I'm happy for her, though.