Boise St.

[Killian]

Let's see some real, specific facts and analysis or just shove it.

You, saying the above, is the most unintentionally hilarious ever written on these boards. That can't possibly be topped.

Do you actually think when you write? This is so mind-numbingly ignorant. Your logic is absolutely baffling.

Fuck, nevermind. You actually topped it in less than half an hour. Props.

[WolverineSteve]

I looked up the numbers several months ago, and I'm not going to do it again, but Boise sends far fewer athletes to the NFL than the other schools in the top 10-25, which is testament to the fact that they recruit lesser athletes than the other top teams. I posted that a few months ago and the response I received was "yeah, but if they were in the Big 10/Big 12/PAC 10/SEC, they'd be able to recruit better". Maybe so, but they are not in the Big 10/Big 12/Pac10/SEC, and they do not recruit the quality players that are found in those conferences. Dins pointed out this week that they would not meet the academic standards to ever be invited into the PAC and the same would be true for the Big 10, and probably for the SEC and Big 12. None of which really matters because they will never be invited into a major conference. They can outrecruit the members of the WAC because their facilities are better than the other schools in the conference, but they cannot recruit the best athletes because their facilities pale in comparison to the major conference schools, as does their pathetic schedule.

Boise is extremely well coached, and they make the most with the athletes they can recruit, but they are in no way one of the top 10 teams in the country...this year or any other year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is suffering from Cinderella syndrome.

^^Gets it.^^

[WolverineSteve]

I looked up the numbers several months ago, and I'm not going to do it again, but Boise sends far fewer athletes to the NFL than the other schools in the top 10-25, which is testament to the fact that they recruit lesser athletes than the other top teams. I posted that a few months ago and the response I received was "yeah, but if they were in the Big 10/Big 12/PAC 10/SEC, they'd be able to recruit better". Maybe so, but they are not in the Big 10/Big 12/Pac10/SEC, and they do not recruit the quality players that are found in those conferences. Dins pointed out this week that they would not meet the academic standards to ever be invited into the PAC and the same would be true for the Big 10, and probably for the SEC and Big 12. None of which really matters because they will never be invited into a major conference. They can outrecruit the members of the WAC because their facilities are better than the other schools in the conference, but they cannot recruit the best athletes because their facilities pale in comparison to the major conference schools, as does their pathetic schedule.

Boise is extremely well coached, and they make the most with the athletes they can recruit, but they are in no way one of the top 10 teams in the country...this year or any other year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is suffering from Cinderella syndrome.

^^Gets it.^^

[M Club]

you're right, boise only had one player get drafted last year. of course, he was a first-rounder as well as the only starter to not return for this year. michigan had three players get drafted from their 5-7 team and georgia had two.

[M Club]

not to mention i just went through this where they have four, possibly five bsu players projected for next year's draft.

[Screw_Michigan]

not to mention i just went through this where they have four, possibly five bsu players projected for next year's draft.

That's two more than Notre Dame. Really puts things in perspective.

[King Crimson]

in sum, we have:

- boise sucks because they share a conference with bad teams.
- boise sucks because they played on a night where the laws of physics were the same as any other day of the week.
- boise sucks because their field has the exact same dimensions of any sec field though it's a different color.
- boise sucks because the number of circulatory systems within a 400 yard radius directly affects the quality of play.

we don't have:
- legitimate analysis of why boise isn't one of the top ten teams in the country.

RACK.

it's not that at all. some of us think that many other teams in the top 15 could be undefeated with BSU's schedule. let's say out of 15, generously, it's 8 teams. 7 teams currently lose to either Va Tech or Oregon State. middling type teams in terms of the top 25.

that hypothetical team: they are going to run the table in the WAC. there are 5-15 teams that can do that.

[SunCoastSooner]

in sum, we have:

- boise sucks because they share a conference with bad teams.
- boise sucks because they played on a night where the laws of physics were the same as any other day of the week.
- boise sucks because their field has the exact same dimensions of any sec field though it's a different color.
- boise sucks because the number of circulatory systems within a 400 yard radius directly affects the quality of play.

we don't have:
- legitimate analysis of why boise isn't one of the top ten teams in the country.

RACK.

it's not that at all. some of us think that many other teams in the top 15 could be undefeated with BSU's schedule. let's say out of 15, generously, it's 8 teams. 7 teams currently lose to either Va Tech or Oregon State. middling type teams in terms of the top 25.

that hypothetical team: they are going to run the table in the WAC. there are 5-15 teams that can do that.

How come Oregon is getting a free pass with the whole "this is the hand we're dealt" shit but Boise State is being pinged on for it? Oregon's schedule is a bona fide joke and they are basically being anointed to the title game; at least Boise State made a concerted effort to play a real team, any real team, OOC. Boise State is putting up similar type of offensive numbers as Oregon and against better competition so far and has actually held teams defensively. People are just hating on the Broncos because they are Boise State.

[Killian]

not to mention i just went through this where they have four, possibly five bsu players projected for next year's draft.

That's two more than Notre Dame. Really puts things in perspective.

So are you dumb, or just illiterate? There are 4 Notre Dame players listed as potential draft picks, and that doesn't include underclassmen.

Good to see you bring ND into a disscussion. Do you have their rejection letter framed on your wall next to your one from UorM?

[Carson]

My favorite example of an up and coming team EARNING respect is FSU. They were an independent for many years while Bobby Bowden was pounding big-name teams in their own cribs. Eventually they joined a BCS conference, and actually got BETTER.

BSU's "clout" is ESPN(Disney) talking heads promoting a gimmick program.

I'm sure a movie deal is in the works; they need the money.

[Killian]

How come Oregon is getting a free pass with the whole "this is the hand we're dealt" shit but Boise State is being pinged on for it? Oregon's schedule is a bona fide joke and they are basically being anointed to the title game; at least Boise State made a concerted effort to play a real team, any real team, OOC. Boise State is putting up similar type of offensive numbers as Oregon and against better competition so far and has actually held teams defensively. People are just hating on the Broncos because they are Boise State.

Oregon is going to play one of BSU's "marquee" teams, and I would think that Stanford and/or USC will end up ranked higher than VaTech. Add in the rest of the Pac10 slate, and I don't know how you can say Oregon will have an easier path to the BCS game than Boise State.

As much as we joke about the "meat grinder", there is some truth in that. When you're playing tough games week after week, your starters play longer and aren't as fresh near the end of the season. BSU's starters will play into the 4th quarter probably twice before the bowl game.

[SunCoastSooner]

How come Oregon is getting a free pass with the whole "this is the hand we're dealt" shit but Boise State is being pinged on for it? Oregon's schedule is a bona fide joke and they are basically being anointed to the title game; at least Boise State made a concerted effort to play a real team, any real team, OOC. Boise State is putting up similar type of offensive numbers as Oregon and against better competition so far and has actually held teams defensively. People are just hating on the Broncos because they are Boise State.

Oregon is going to play one of BSU's "marquee" teams, and I would think that Stanford and/or USC will end up ranked higher than VaTech. Add in the rest of the Pac10 slate, and I don't know how you can say Oregon will have an easier path to the BCS game than Boise State.

As much as we joke about the "meat grinder", there is some truth in that. When you're playing tough games week after week, your starters play longer and aren't as fresh near the end of the season. BSU's starters will play into the 4th quarter probably twice before the bowl game.

So now we evaluate teams on what they might do and not what they actually have done? That makes a hell of a lot of sense.

[SunCoastSooner]

How come Oregon is getting a free pass with the whole "this is the hand we're dealt" shit but Boise State is being pinged on for it? Oregon's schedule is a bona fide joke and they are basically being anointed to the title game; at least Boise State made a concerted effort to play a real team, any real team, OOC. Boise State is putting up similar type of offensive numbers as Oregon and against better competition so far and has actually held teams defensively. People are just hating on the Broncos because they are Boise State.

Oregon is going to play one of BSU's "marquee" teams, and I would think that Stanford and/or USC will end up ranked higher than VaTech. Add in the rest of the Pac10 slate, and I don't know how you can say Oregon will have an easier path to the BCS game than Boise State.

As much as we joke about the "meat grinder", there is some truth in that. When you're playing tough games week after week, your starters play longer and aren't as fresh near the end of the season. BSU's starters will play into the 4th quarter probably twice before the bowl game.

So now we evaluate teams on what they might[/] do and not what they actually have done? That makes a hell of a lot of sense.

[Dinsdale]

Oregon's schedule is a bona fide joke and they are basically being anointed to the title game; at least Boise State made a concerted effort to play a real team, any real team, OOC.

When the games were scheduled, New Mexico was coming off multiple bowl wins. Tennessee was coming off an SEC Championship appearance. Central Michigan cancelled very late, leaving a desperation-open-date.


Sorry, dude -- Stanford, Kal, USC, Zona is a little bit tougher slate than Louisiana Tech, San Jose St, Idaho and Utah St.

[SunCoastSooner]

Sorry, dude -- Stanford, Kal, USC, Zona...

Exactly how many of those teams have you actually met on the field as of today? :doh:

[Killian]

Oh, so were putting the teams in the NC game based on what they've done only up until today? Noted.

Oregon has still had a tougher slate. I don't think any of their strongest opponet lost to a 1AA team at home. I could be wrong.

[SunCoastSooner]

Oh, so were putting the teams in the NC game based on what they've done only up until today? Noted.

Oregon has still had a tougher slate. I don't think any of their strongest opponet lost to a 1AA team at home. I could be wrong.

No they just have teams on their schedule who have lost to multiple 1AA schools. Oregon's opponents records are a combined 17-33 and they have played more games against 1AA schools than Boise State's opponents who have a better combined record.

[Killian]

Has Oregon's marquee opponent lost to a 1AA team?

[SunCoastSooner]

Georgia wasn't eve able to beat the worst team in the Big 12... :doh: Put the pipe down SS.

Perhaps you should review what UGA has done since Colorado. Believe me - I LOATHE UGA. Nothing pains me more to say this, but right now - they are playing damned good ball. They've pulled a total 180 from the beginning of the year. Watch what happens against Florida this weekend.

As insane as this sounds, I think that right now, UGA might stand a slightly better shot at beating Auburn than Alabama does. It could damned well happen. I will be an angry bastard if it does happen!

They beat up on terrible Tennessee and Vanderbilt and escaped Kentucky... well hell color me impressed, that changes everything. Oregon should meet Georgia for the national title obviously.

[SunCoastSooner]

Has Oregon's marquee opponent lost to a 1AA team?

I didn't even notice any marquee out of conference opponent on their schedule...

[TheJON]

Has Oregon's marquee opponent lost to a 1AA team?

In fairness to Va Tech, they did have to play just 5 days later after an emotional loss against a team they probably already weren't going to take seriously. This type of stuff is a major factor in college football. I would agree they should probably still beat James Madison, but given the circumstances, that's a tougher game than you would think for a team full of 18-22 year olds.

[stuckinia]

Has Oregon's marquee opponent lost to a 1AA team?

Jesus, I do not think the Hokies are ever going to live that one down.

[Killian]

I honestly don't know this, but is James Madison going to compete for the 1AA championship? App State was the best team in 1AA when Michigan lost to them.

And I didn't realize this argument was strictly based on OOC.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

It's an interesting way of looking at it. Boise demoralized one of the Big Boy's to the point they couldn't get up for a 1-AA. I'm not sure they shouldn't get bonus points for that feat.

[stuckinia]

JMU kinda sucks this year. I believe they are only 4-3, near the bottom of their conference. There was no excuse for VT to lose to them. The Hokies could win out this season and I would still consider it a failure.

And I do not think it was a case of being demoralized. I simply think the Hokies are constantly overrated and the coaching can be subpar. It doesn't matter that Beamer sucked ESPN's black cock for a few extra bucks in order to move the game to Labour day.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

And I do not think it was a case of being demoralized.

I'm not talking about the means in which Boise won the game, I'm talking about the cause and effect. Boise basically ended a team's season after week 1 which had MNC expectations. Clearly that fucked up their psyche going into James Madison.

[stuckinia]

OK, I can agree with that.

For some reason, the players, coaches, and idiot fans constantly buy into the notion that this team is constantly on the cusp of the MNC. Despite the fact that they can never beat the calibre of teams you will face in a championship game.

[Dinsdale]

App State was the best team in 1AA when Michigan lost to them.

And 3 years later, they still are.

[Killian]

Hey, maybe they can make the move to 1A and in 10-15 years, people can bitch about them not making the BCS title game.

[Screw_Michigan]

My brother got his MDA at ASU

Seems appropriate.

[Screw_Michigan]

I didn't know an MDA was even available, nevertheless through a business school, fatso.

[SunCoastSooner]

Now where in the fuck did I say that? Let's put it this way - they could probably beat OU right now.

All teams go through different phases in a season. Most teams don't react that well to the road - certainly the further they travel.

Though I'm sure a lot of you didn't watch it, the Oregon/Tennessee game was a defining moment (IMO) for both teams. Oregon traveled across the country. That automatically fucks them up. UT is nothing but Freshmen. In the first quarter, UT absolutely dominated that game. They were riding higher than DiS over a pack of kiddie-doodling police. Normally, a road team like that is fucked if they get jumped on like that. It's not that big a deal in the NFL, but college is a different story. Obviously, Oregon came back and kicked their shit out. They did it again to Stanford (who is definitely a Top 10 team IMO). Had UT been able to hold off the Ducks, god only knows where they'd be now. That game mentally fucked UT for the year. They've shown some blasts of good playing, but they're too young to get the job done. On the other hand, it made the Ducks confidence shoot through the roof.

That's a lot of it. Hell - that's most of it.

I think Mgo made a statement of something like "you know how teams can do from week to week". He was right.

I'd be willing to bet that if OU were to play FSU again AT OU tomorrow, you can forget about OU winning that one by 30. No fucking way. FSU is playing much better ball right now.

Teams can play badly at one point of a season and turn it the fuck around, too. I think you know that.

You're drunk posting aren't you? Do me a favor and have your neighbors watch us this weekend and they can take notes on how to beat Colorado.

[WolverineSteve]

I don't think UM has recovered from that game even to this day!

Finishing off the season with a win over Tebow helped.

[Goober McTuber]

I didn't know an MDA was even available, nevertheless through a business school, fatso.

MDA was readily available in Madison throughout the 70s. I believe they called it the "love drug".

[Felix]

just announced here that Boise State will open against Michigan State in East Lansing in 2012

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-foo ... 10aak.html

[Dinsdale]

Eat a dick and keep your mouths shut, losers

FTFY

Pretty nice timing on their part to silence the naysayers a little.