Michigan-Illinois

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:24 pm

This game is fucking ridiculous. Looks like a CON-USA game on acid. About to go into OT. I got Illinois +3.5...

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:26 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:This game is fucking ridiculous. Looks like a CON-USA game on acid. About to go into OT. I got Illinois +3.5...

so you need an Illini TD..watching it on ESPN360

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:27 pm

Yeah, not looking good.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:30 pm

now, yer pulling for double OT--and no 2 point funny business in single OT from Ill.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:31 pm

Just switched it over. Did Robinson go down with an injury?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:33 pm

I know a guy who bet his rent on Illinois +3. Pulling for him

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:34 pm

4th and goal at the 1 inch line coming up...jesus

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:34 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I know a guy who bet his rent on Illinois +3. Pulling for him

there had to be better lines to put the rent on....

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:36 pm

Honestly, I thought Illinois had this one in the bag. They picked the wrong day not to play defense.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:37 pm

oh shit!!!!!!!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:38 pm

Mace wrote:Just switched it over. Did Robinson go down with an injury?

I think so, I didn't see the play though.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:40 pm

Oh my fucking god.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:43 pm

This is arena football at its best.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:44 pm

Mace wrote:This is arena football at its best.

it's like they are playing 11 on 9; O to D.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:45 pm

Very weak calls there.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:53 pm

They scored 37 more points than the last basketball game between the two teams.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:54 pm

Uh oh, Michigan fan. Will this win save DickRod's job?

Very entertaining, from what I saw of it, but giving up 65/67 points is pathetic.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:56 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:They scored 37 more points than the last basketball game between the two teams.

And more points than an Iowa basketball team could score in a week...maybe two weeks. Hopefully that will change this year.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:57 pm

They rushed the field. Hopefully this gives the Big Ten one more year of DickRod.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:01 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:They rushed the field. Hopefully this gives the Big Ten one more year of DickRod.

That would be much appreciated by everywhere outside of Ann Arbor.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:27 pm

King Crimson wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I know a guy who bet his rent on Illinois +3. Pulling for him
there had to be better lines to put the rent on....

Yeah, like Baylor +7.5

<---- :doh:

FLW Buckeye · Post by **FLW Buckeye** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:07 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:They rushed the field. Hopefully this gives the Big Ten one more year of DickRod.

Yeah, I saw that. One of the assistant coaches looked like he tripped and fell over the sideline as the team stormed the field.

Was wondering if the team was gonna treat him like a Walmart employee on Black Friday.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:40 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:They rushed the field. Hopefully this gives the Big Ten one more year of DickRod.

i'd shit my pants if i were a big ten defensive coordinator. dickrod has that shit on lockdown. but...er...uh...defense? so i guess i agree with you.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:53 am

I'd love an ND/scU-M Motor City Bowl someday. That shit would be epic.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:42 am

will nd ever be bowl-eligible again? that's a question i can ask from my perch now.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:04 pm

ND is born with bowl eligibility. It's kind of like original sin, I guess.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:16 am

M Club wrote:will nd ever be bowl-eligible again? that's a question i can ask from my perch now.

They've been bowl eligible here and there but apparently anything less than an undeserved BCS bowl blowout is beneath them.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:03 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
M Club wrote:will nd ever be bowl-eligible again? that's a question i can ask from my perch now.
They've been bowl eligible here and there but apparently anything less than an undeserved BCS bowl blowout is beneath them.

Sounds a lot like the current cabal in South Bend.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:07 am

Mace wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:They scored 37 more points than the last basketball game between the two teams.
And more points than an Iowa basketball team could score in a week...maybe two weeks. Hopefully that will change this year.

It will change. We're going to score 75 a night......and lose.

We might lead the Big-10 in scoring and finish 10th. Gonna be another awesome year! Can't wait!

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:36 am

Big win for Mich, RR may make it to find yet another DC and coach the wolverines another season. The O works. If the D didn't blow they'd do some damage. Granted as the HC RR is responsible for the whole team but do you start-over again or give RR a another shot to fix what's broken?

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:24 pm

obviously a tough call. blow it up and we're not all the way back to square one, but we're definitely going to have a rougher couple of years then we would with dickrod still in charge. our offense is pretty much just sophomores and juniors right now, so next year should be even more explosive provided they learn how to protect the ball; and the defense graduates its shittiest players, so they'll get better by virtue of the coaches not being tempted to throw them out on the field only because they're seniors right now. i bet we're in the top four next year but no way do we even threaten to win the conference. i guess that means dickrod's the best option as far as next year goes but i'd rather have harbaugh for the next 20.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:59 pm

I went to the game....I was deeply considering an epic melt post along the lines of "Fuck RR, run him out of town etc." had we lost. Winning a basketball game on a football field doesn't cure all the ills of Michigan football, but here are some of the reasons for optimism.

-The offense is amazing. It didn't skip a beat when Denard went down. Illinois was the top ranked defense in the Big10 going into the game. The scheme is good and the pieces are in place for this to be an absolute juggernaut. RR signed a rb out of FL in next years class that is to be the Steve Slaton to Denard's Pat White.

-The defense. First reaction is...65 points wtf!!! A closer look will tell you that the D held Illinois to two field goals early in the game after the offense turned it over twice on thier own side of the field. UM held Ill to only 6-16 on third downs. The db's are so young, the young starters in front of the young back ups are injured. I don't like the system, I hate the soft zone coverages they run on passing downs...a lot of guys guarding turf. I loved when they sent the house on the last play of the game, I wish Coach Robinson would be that aggressive more often.

-Special teams...My thinking is this...there will always be a place kicker on scholorship, why not recruit a good one? The guy they got last year Gibbons was supposed to be good. Either his developement slowed or the pressure of the big time was more than he can handle. I would make it one man's top priority to scour the country for the best kicker around.

Bottom line is...I'm on board. If RR can field even a mediocre defense this will be a 10 win team going forward. I don't know if Robinson is the problem or the scheme is the problem. I don't know if RR is making Robinson run a scheme he doesn't know or like. I do know that the db's are raw as all hell and can't help but be better next year. I also know that I still hate Scott Schafer.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:09 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:I also know that I still hate Scott Schafer.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:14 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:I went to the game....I was deeply considering an epic melt post along the lines of "Fuck RR, run him out of town etc." had we lost. Winning a basketball game on a football field doesn't cure all the ills of Michigan football, but here are some of the reasons for optimism.

-The offense is amazing. It didn't skip a beat when Denard went down. Illinois was the top ranked defense in the Big10 going into the game. The scheme is good and the pieces are in place for this to be an absolute juggernaut. RR signed a rb out of FL in next years class that is to be the Steve Slaton to Denard's Pat White.

-The defense. First reaction is...65 points wtf!!! A closer look will tell you that the D held Illinois to two field goals early in the game after the offense turned it over twice on thier own side of the field. UM held Ill to only 6-16 on third downs. The db's are so young, the young starters in front of the young back ups are injured. I don't like the system, I hate the soft zone coverages they run on passing downs...a lot of guys guarding turf. I loved when they sent the house on the last play of the game, I wish Coach Robinson would be that aggressive more often.

-Special teams...My thinking is this...there will always be a place kicker on scholorship, why not recruit a good one? The guy they got last year Gibbons was supposed to be good. Either his developement slowed or the pressure of the big time was more than he can handle. I would make it one man's top priority to scour the country for the best kicker around.

Bottom line is...I'm on board. If RR can field even a mediocre defense this will be a 10 win team going forward. I don't know if Robinson is the problem or the scheme is the problem. I don't know if RR is making Robinson run a scheme he doesn't know or like. I do know that the db's are raw as all hell and can't help but be better next year. I also know that I still hate Scott Schafer.

bwa.

UM couldn't stop 11 folding chairs from moving down the field.

Nice little popgun conference you have there, though. Maybe they should move those games to Tuesday nights from now on.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:32 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
WolverineSteve wrote:I also know that I still hate Scott Schafer.

That was just for you...glad you're paying attention.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:35 pm

Degenerate wrote:Nice little popgun conference you have there, though. Maybe they should move those games to Tuesday nights from now on.

That's a new one. First it's boring, slow, and prodding. Now it's popgun, because two teams out of 11 broke a scoreboard.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:43 pm

M Club wrote:obviously a tough call. blow it up and we're not all the way back to square one, but we're definitely going to have a rougher couple of years then we would with dickrod still in charge. our offense is pretty much just sophomores and juniors right now, so next year should be even more explosive provided they learn how to protect the ball; and the defense graduates its shittiest players, so they'll get better by virtue of the coaches not being tempted to throw them out on the field only because they're seniors right now. i bet we're in the top four next year but no way do we even threaten to win the conference. i guess that means dickrod's the best option as far as next year goes but i'd rather have harbaugh for the next 20.

If I'm Michigan I'd go through channels(agents) and find-out whether Harbaugh would be receptive or not. If he isn't no harm done. If he is then I'd make a move.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:08 am

Papa Willie wrote: I'd still much prefer a 28-14 type game, but hey - in the end - the team with the most points wins.

er, i'd rather have a 45-14 type game. not that hard to find a competent defensive staff and a couple middling three-stars to keep the other team from scoring 40 every time out.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:54 am

Michigan doesn't need to fire DickRod. They need to fire Greg Robinson and get a fucking defensive coordinator that knows what the fuck they are doing. His career is going the same route as Bill Calahan at Nebraska. People forget that the Huskers were scoring like crazy but they had that idiot (shit, his name escapes me right now.....former Wisconsin DC) at DC.

I also think they should go to a 2 quarterback system. Make defenses prepare for 2 talented QB's that are completely different. Either that or put D-Rob at WR/Wildcat and give the job back to Forcier. Robinson won't be able to walk by the time he is a senior if they keep him full-time at QB in this system.

I just find it really hard to believe the only problem with the defense is the players. Are they really this untalented? They seem to at least have some athleticism. Seems maybe if someone could just teach them how to tackle and cover a little bit, they could form into quality players.

That said, please keep Greg Robinson. I think he's doing a fantastic job!

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:02 am

TheJON wrote: I just find it really hard to believe the only problem with the defense is the players. Are they really this untalented? They seem to at least have some athleticism. Seems maybe if someone could just teach them how to tackle and cover a little bit, they could form into quality players.

prevailing theory about scheme is that dickrod's defensive assistants insist on teaching the 3-3-5 stack, a niche defense robinson isn't too familiar with. either dickrod needs to bring in a DC familiar with the 3-3-5 or he needs to let his DC select his own assistants.

lots of reasons the defense sucks, though attrition/injuries in the secondary and our subsequent reliance on freshman who should be redshirting right now is what hurts most. dickrod has recruited two five-star corners (justin turner and demar dorsey) and inherited another (donovan warren), but turner was fat, unmotivated, and eventually transferred; dorsey wasn't even admitted into school; and warren left last year so he wouldn't be drafted. dickrod also won a recruiting battle against ohio state for vlad emilien to play safety but he blew his knee out and hasn't really recovered. then our best corner (troy woolfolk) blew his leg out in fall practice not to mention we used to have a four-star corner (cissoko) who was robbing his teammates, pizza deliverymen, and anything else that bothered moving in ann arbor and is now in jail. plus, it turns out that guy was actually 20-years-old or something when he graduated high school, which explains why he was about as good as a high school corner while playing at michigan. and just for good measure we lost the best CB standing (jt floyd) to a freak injury in practice.

the starting DL is above average but there's not much depth (considering the 5-star DT dickrod pulled a couple years ago just moved to OL because of the suck), but the linebackers are putrid, which is exacerbates the lack of experience in the secondary, which except for a shitty azz senior corner consists entirely of freshman and sophomores.

we have good young linebacker talent right now that's redshirting, and presumably the issue with the secondary is experience/issues with the coaching staff, so maybe they'll be average next year. but since you're right about greg robinson we'll just have to listen to a fourth consecutive year of "this is statistically the worst michigan defense ever."