lets go mace- this weeks excuse

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:47 pm

Since we can't call this team chokers and suggesting that they don't quit/choke and aren't poorly coached, what's the excuse this time?

Can't expect to beat Minnesota cuz there were better than us back in the 60's? Can't expect our talentless offense to score against such an amazing defense? Can't expect our defense to shut down the greatest offense of all-time?
The coaches obviously had this team ready to go, but it is unfair to expect lowly Iowa to hang with a 2-9 football team that hadn't won a home game all year?

Come on, what's the excuse today? I eagerly anticipate your epic response.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:58 pm

I haven't been the one making excuses, you stupid piece of shit, it's been you. No need to point fingers at anyone on the coaching staff, dipshit, because they weren't responsible for the things that cost Iowa the game.

We lost today because of poor tackling, too many dropped passes, and a fumble that kept us from having a chance to win. Today's loss is due to poor defensive play.....and Minnesota playing a good game. If Iowa's players, especially the seniors, can't get themselves motivated to play in a trophy game against a border rival in the season finale, then they should join you on the intramural fields with the other cunts.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:03 am

Iowa lost to Minnesota?

I reckon in Jonsworld that makes 5 plays now that have kept them out of the NC game.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:06 am

War Wagon wrote:Iowa lost to Minnesota?

I reckon in Jonsworld that makes 5 plays now that have kept them out of the NC game.

I suspect we're going to get our weekly supply of jonsense in a few minutes. The stupid fuck doesn't know when to shut the hell up.....or when to not call me out in a thread. That lesson will be learned soon enough because I've about had it with his stupid fucking "Joe Morgan trying to analyze a football game" bullshit.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:06 am

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:09 am

Mace wrote:I haven't been the one making excuses, you stupid piece of shit, it's been you. No need to point fingers at anyone on the coaching staff, dipshit, because they weren't responsible for the things that cost Iowa the game.

We lost today because of poor tackling, too many dropped passes, and a fumble that kept us from having a chance to win. Today's loss is due to poor defensive play.....and Minnesota playing a good game. If Iowa's players, especially the seniors, can't get themselves motivated to play in a trophy game against a border rival in the season finale, then they should join you on the intramural fields with the other cunts.

Who recruited these chokers? I'm just curious. Find him and I will tar and feather them. Deal?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:10 am

War Wagon wrote:Iowa lost to Minnesota?

I reckon in Jonsworld that makes 5 plays now that have kept them out of the NC game.

Would that be incorrect? Would you disagree that Iowa was 1 play away in all 5 of their losses? 5 games of being 1 play away = 5 plays from being unbeaten, no???

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:14 am

TheJON wrote:
Mace wrote:I haven't been the one making excuses, you stupid piece of shit, it's been you. No need to point fingers at anyone on the coaching staff, dipshit, because they weren't responsible for the things that cost Iowa the game.

We lost today because of poor tackling, too many dropped passes, and a fumble that kept us from having a chance to win. Today's loss is due to poor defensive play.....and Minnesota playing a good game. If Iowa's players, especially the seniors, can't get themselves motivated to play in a trophy game against a border rival in the season finale, then they should join you on the intramural fields with the other cunts.
Who recruited these chokers? I'm just curious. Find him and I will tar and feather them. Deal?

I addressed that in another post, possibly in another thread, and I'm not going to repeat myself. But, wasn't it YOU arguing that Iowa has as much talent as tOSU? Now it's the coaching staff's fault for recruiting all of that talent? You know, the talent you said we had, and I said we didn't? Are those the chokers you're talking about? Well, make up your fucking mind, dumbass. Is Iowa extremely talented, or not? Not that you would have a fucking clue when it comes to evaluating talent, but give it a shot, dumbfuck.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:32 am

I addressed that in another post, possibly in another thread, and I'm not going to repeat myself. But, wasn't it YOU arguing that Iowa has as much talent as tOSU? Now it's the coaching staff's fault for recruiting all of that talent? You know, the talent you said we had, and I said we didn't? Are those the chokers you're talking about? Well, make up your fucking mind, dumbass. Is Iowa extremely talented, or not? Not that you would have a fucking clue when it comes to evaluating talent, but give it a shot, dumbfuck.

Actually, I was mocking you there. You say we don't have talent (you're wrong)......so fine, who recruited this lack of talent?

Talent is not an excuse when you lose to a 2-9 team, Northwestern, and should have lost to Indiana. This is my whole point. How can you use talent as an excuse in those 3 games? And while you might claim Ohio State has more talent than Iowa (ditto Wisconsin), how can you say that talent was the reason we lost those games (even if it is true they are more talented)?

If we are losing games because you just don't have the guns to compete- that's fine. I can accept that. Arizona, Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota.........there's no excuse, Mace. You can point to lack of execution all you want. There's no doubt, you are correct in that- it's why we have lost down the stretch. However, don't you think after 12 years of losing games over and over like this, maybe, just maybe, it's a lack of preparation? Why do you find this so outrageous to come to this conclusion? If it were a year or 2 out of 12, no doubt you would be onto something.

But here's the thing, Mace.....

You watch Iowa games. You probably remember our 1999 team. We were horrible. Absolutely pitiful. But our 2-minute drill in 1999 (which was a giant bag of FAIL) looks EXACTLY like this year.....and just about every other year under Ferentz. Why is that? Is it really talent or is it POSSIBLY the coaches not focusing on it enough in practice?

There are things this program has had issues with over and over again for 12 years. 2-minute drills, lack of matching our opponents intensity when we are facing teams that either have nothing to lose (Minnesota) or are coached by someone that either hates Iowa (Fitzgerald) or puts their entire season focus on beating Iowa (McCarney, Arizona 2010, Arizona State 2004). We also do not make very good adjustments against teams that give us matchup problems (Indiana, Northwestern).

Why are 95% of our blitzes inside the red zone? Why do we play so far off our corners when we have good safeties? Why do we run an end around 100% of the time we show it instead of faking it once or twice to set it up? Why do we play down to our opponents 3-4 times every year? Why are we 20-17 in the 3 years under Ferentz where we had high expecations? Why does our coach have the worst record in games decided by 5 points or less since 2005? Why do you have a defeatist attitude?

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:02 am

I don't have a "defeatist attitude", dumbass, I'm an eternal optimist, and I'm not going to argue the talent question with you again. Iowa is not that talented...period. I've already given you the reasons for why we lost the game and I'm not going to repeat those either.

You blame the coaches, I don't. The coaches don't drop passes, miss tackles, fumble the ball, make bad snaps on PATs or FGs, or miss blocks. You say they aren't prepared, and you're full of shit. How many passes does a player have to catch in practice to be prepared for a game? How many gauntlet drills does a running back have to run before he learns not to fumble? How many snaps does the long snapper have to rehearse before he stops making bad snaps? They cover all of that stuff in practices from day #1. As for the 2 minute drill, do you honestly believe they don't work on that in practice? Are you fucking stupid? Well, wait, I know the answer to that one.

You know, I've tried very hard to be civil with you for most of this season, but I realized long ago why everyone thinks you're a fucking moron and full of jonsense. You have always been an embarrassment to Iowa fans and, from this point forward, I will treat you like the ignorant cunt that you are. And if you ever call me out in a thread again, I'll kick your fucking teeth down your throat and mail you a box of straws so you can take nourishment.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:58 am

It's a real shame you can't dispute anything I have said.

You didn't address the talent issue....you ignored it. I said talent isn't the reason we lost to Minnesota, Northwestern or Arizona and shoulda lost to Indiana.

What game did we lose because of talent????

I really don't know how many times I have to ask this question before you answer it......but I shall try again.....

Why does our 2-minute drill look exactly like it did 12 years ago.....a big bag of fail? How can you take a look at 12 years of data where the ONLY people that have stayed the same are the coaches and come to the conclusion that it isn't a coaching issue when the same problems are happening?

12 years of the same 2-minute drill issues and clock management blunders, yet you claim I'm an idiot for suggesting it just might be because of a lack of preparation on the coaches part???? Hu????????

No, Mace, I don't THINK our coaches don't put a big focus on the 2-minute drill- I KNOW they don't. Yes, they prepare for it, but their major focus in practice is on doing the things they build the program around- the base offense and defensive sets. They don't put very much attention on anything else. That's an NFL mentality, which is great for the NFL but not college because you're talking about 18-22 year olds that don't have as much experience in pressure situations. NFL players are professionals and grown adults. You don't have to focus on stuff like 2-minute drills as much because they should have already learned how to run them by the time they got to the NFL.

As for "how many times in practice do they need to work on passing and catching, etc"....

You don't understand that there's a difference between the 2-minute drill and a normal offensive possession. The difference is the defense will focus almost exclusively on the pass and you have to hurry up to get a play off. Your whole mindset has to change in a 2-minute drill. Other teams that run a hurry up offense don't deal with this as much because they are used to it. But we are one of the slowest moving offenses in the country based on how long it takes for us to snap the ball after the previous play is completed. So, needless to say, the 2-minute drill gets them all out of sorts and that is perfectly understandable. That's why you have to spend a good portion of time preparing for it in practice. It's not easy to completely change the tempo of play from what you are used to. Mentally, you start to play tight and get out of your comfort zone. That leads to dropped balls and missed blocking assignments.

Man, it is not very hard to get inside your dome is it? You really getting this offended, Mace? Making threats on the interwebs? You can't even dispute my points. You have addressed 1 or 2 out of about 50. And now resorting to threats? Wow, stay classy dude. You are a typical Iowa fan, no doubt about it. We don't have the lowest football IQ as a fan base for nothing. "Hey, we have been to eleventy billion January bowls under Ferentz so that means he can't possibly improve as a coach!".
I will not be donating a fucking penny next year to the Iowa athletic department. I will still buy tickets because I love my team. But like fucking hell if I'm giving any extra money. I will give it to the university instead.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:05 am

There's nothing to address, you ignorant fuck, because you've made exactly ZERO points. You call your opinions "facts" and make claims about what goes on in an Iowa practice, like you would have one fucking clue. I'm not going to respond to your idiotic speculations and will not waste my time trying to talk football with an idiot who thinks his intramural football experiences qualify him to coach. Just shut the fuck up, dumbass, and go to Hawkeye Nation. You might actually know a little more than those dumbasses...but not much.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:35 am

"Okay, Herky, here's what I want you to tell Kirk.....our 2 minute offense sucks and I think he needs to work on it in practice. And be sure to tell him theJON sent you, okay? And don't forget to remind him that I was a star on the intramural football fields here at Iowa...even though we lost a game to the powder puff champs...but those bitches were pretty damn good.

Yep, I'm gonna be a first ballot selection to the intramural hall of fame.

Yeah, I here ya, Herky. :roll: :roll: Is that the JON=Bitch guy again? Geez, I'm gonna have to send our gay walk-on placekicker over there to kick that idiot's ass. Better yet, Herky, just tell one of the cheerleaders to do it. Thanks.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:46 am

So, you're theJON=Bitch's mom? Did you ever consider having an abortion?

I see, not until he was old enough to talk. I understand.

Did he ever play football? No? I'm not surprised. What's that you say? Too big of a pussy? I would have to agree.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:13 am

That's right, theJON's girfriend dumped him for ME, and her family was very pleased because they knew I could give her a better life. She says that all he did was obsess over Iowa football and was so delusional about his football knowledge that he always dressed up in white pants, sunglasses, and an Iowa pullover, thinking he was Hayden Fry. Yeah, the dumbass took his clothes off and is sitting outside right now thinking he can attract another girl.

Not likely to happen though.

FLW Buckeye · Post by **FLW Buckeye** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:51 am

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TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:06 am

You call your opinions "facts" and make claims about what goes on in an Iowa practice, like you would have one fucking clue.

False. Try again.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:16 am

So, uhh, Mace......

Never gonne answer the 12 year trend deal, ey??? Just gonna keep avoiding and insulting? That's really all you got??

12 years of failures in a certain situation.
The ONLY constant is the coaches.

When you gonna address this???? Any time now, Mace. Any time!

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:25 am

You call it a 12 year trend. I don't. There's nothing to address that we haven't already discussed ad nauseum.....as is the case with all of your babbling posts. There's a reason they call it "jonsense", you know.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:42 am

Mace wrote:You call it a 12 year trend. I don't. There's nothing to address that we haven't already discussed ad nauseum.....as is the case with all of your babbling posts. There's a reason they call it "jonsense", you know.

So if something happens for 12 years it's not a trend?

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:56 am

TheJON wrote:
Mace wrote:You call it a 12 year trend. I don't. There's nothing to address that we haven't already discussed ad nauseum.....as is the case with all of your babbling posts. There's a reason they call it "jonsense", you know.
So if something happens for 12 years it's not a trend?

Your stupidity has been going on a lot longer than 12 years, so is that a trend too?

The real "trend" is that we have never been able to recruit the quality of athlete that you think we have, and the athlete that we need to be a true national power, and that our coaches have done a great job of coaching up the players they can sign to be as competitive as possible. The fact that they play a lot of teams close is due to the coaches doing a great job. Am I disappointed about this season? Sure, I think everyone is disappointed after the year we had last season, but it was unrealistic to expect a repeat of '09, or something better. We were extremely lucky to win 11 games last year and we obviously missed the players who left after last season. Iowa doesn't yet have the depth to withstand injuries at key positions...like LB or RB. That was proven this year. Our CBs weren't as good this year either, which had an effect on the number of INTs by Sash and Greenwood.

The wheels fell off for this team, for whatever reason, and they never recovered. Why? I have no idea. Maybe it was all of the negative shit that they've been hearing about their coaches from idiots like you. Maybe there's a serious team chemistry problem. I have no idea and, frankly, it doesn't really matter what the problem might have been, so long as they get it corrected.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:07 am

Minnesota? Seriously? Jesus fuck.

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:28 am

I guess by Jon's math and estimations, Texas was almost headed back to the MNC game if it were not for sucking for a mere 28 quarters this year

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:35 am

Jonsense tell me how many TDs would Vegas favor the Hawkeyes over the Sooners now? Two or three touchdowns? I'd love to lay a bet down on that one!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:37 am

campinfool wrote:I guess by Jon's math and estimations, Texas was almost headed back to the MNC game if it were not for sucking for a mere 28 quarters this year

No, silly.

Jon knew Texas sucked, just like he knew Oklahoma sucked, just like he knew every team in CFB outside the Big 10 that wasn't as talented as Iowa sucked.

All teams suck, some just don't have coaches who fritter away chances at a NC.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:50 am

Geez..if Kevin Cosgrove can do a stuff job on Iowa, I tremble at what the fightin' Pelinis are gonna do to them next year.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:23 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Minnesota? Seriously? Jesus fuck.

What? We are Iowa. We shouldn't expect to beat teams like Minnesota because we sucked when Mace was a kid. Just ask him. It's unrealistic of people like me to expect to beat teams like Minnesota, Northwestern, and Indiana.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:29 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:Jonsense tell me how many TDs would Vegas favor the Hawkeyes over the Sooners now? Two or three touchdowns? I'd love to lay a bet down on that one!

I will give OU props. They have improved a ton since the beginning of the year and are headed to a national championship contending season next year......which I said they would. This is why Stoops is a great coach. Take a look at how well OU progressed throughout the year. Completely different team right now. Got to give Stoops a lot of credit for rallying the troops after the A&M debacle.

I was wrong about OU. I was wrong about Iowa. Do you want to know the real difference between Iowa and OU this year? OU has heart. Plain and simple. They may have played like garbage against some bad teams early but at least they nutted up and pulled them out in the end. Then they got better, hit a bump in the road (A&M), and starting kicking ass and taking names. Reminds me a lot of the 2004 Iowa team.

While I will conceed OU is DEFINITELY a better team than Iowa (though I don't think the disparity is as much as you might think), I think the Big-10 is a lot better than the Big-12 this year. Okie State is decent, OU is slightly better, Nebraska is good with a healthy Taylor Martinez, but the rest of the league is really mediocre or even worse. Missouri's only quality win came against OU, but I think it would be different if they played again. OU, right now, is clearly the best team in the Big-12. But I would say that I think Nebraska with a healthy Taylor Martinez still might be the best.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:37 am

OU definately looks good right now. Next year? Scarey. I'm excited about the progress Pelini is making and hope he finds the same success in anger management! A healthy, junior and then senior T Martinez and the players Pelini is bringing in plus the way his players play for him should be a formula for success in a tough Big 10 conf.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:48 am

H4ever wrote:OU definately looks good right now. Next year? Scarey. I'm excited about the progress Pelini is making and hope he finds the same success in anger management! A healthy, junior and then senior T Martinez and the players Pelini is bringing in plus the way his players play for him should be a formula for success in a tough Big 10 conf.

Martinez will be a sophmore next year, I'll be mildly surprized if he's NU's QB next fall or even on the roster.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:50 am

The real "trend" is that we have never been able to recruit the quality of athlete that you think we have, and the athlete that we need to be a true national power, and that our coaches have done a great job of coaching up the players they can sign to be as competitive as possible.

Not true. You're right, the skill position talent just hasn't been that great under Ferentz (or Fry, or any coach at Iowa). But I would say that a big part of the problem is our offensive coordinator. We have a good enough program to where we can't recruit skill position players like Ohio State, but plenty good enough at the Big-10 level. However, our offensive system kills that ability. Whether you like it or not, this isn't the kind of system that receivers and quarterbacks want to play in.

Most years I would 100% agree with this argument, but I do not this year. We have an experienced QB that is going to be a 3rd round draft pick (at least), a senior WR that will probably be a 3rd round pick, a TE that will be a 3rd-4th round pick, a LT (if he goes pro) that will be a 1st or 2nd round pick, and another WR that will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year. While I'm not claiming this is 2005 USC talent, I would completely disagree that it's just not enough talent to compete.

We have 2 solid WR's, an average Big-10 RB, an above average TE, and an above average offensive line with a great LT, and an experienced and semi-talented QB. That's better than Minnesota. That's better than Indiana. That's better than Northwestern. We lost to 2 of those teams and should have lost to Indiana as well.

So while you say the talent just isn't there, I say the talent is far less for teams we have lost to this year. Plus, we lost to Arizona, Ohio State, and Wisconsin because we just couldn't come through in the clutch- not because of their alleged talent edge. So I just don't buy that argument- this year.

What our coaching staff does is motivate when they're not getting much respect. But we have had 3 seasons where we were a Top 15 preseason team. Our records in those years? 6-7, 7-5, 7-5. While you might say they are "overated", I would counter with this........when we aren't ranked high we have produced 4 10+ win seasons and a 9 win season, 2 Big-10 titles, 2 BCS bowl appearances, and a BCS bowl win.

2011 Iowa will be an 8-4 or 9-3 team. Maybe even a 10 win team. The 2010 Iowa football team finished 7-5. The 2010 football team has TONS more talent than what we will have next year. But next year is a year where Ferentz THRIVES in. You can't beat a Ferentz team when he has decent talent that doesn't get any preseason hype. He plays up the no-respect card as well as any coach in the country. The problem is he just hasn't learned how to coach a team with expectations. I said before the year that the national title talk was unrealistic. I thought we COULD contend, but were going to need some serious bounces to go our way. I expected losses to Arizona because of a bunch of different factors in that game and a loss to Ohio State because we ALWAYS lose to Ohio State. So it's not like I came into the season with unrealistic expectations like most Iowa fans did. I was pretty level headed. But my problem is HOW we lost games and the fact that we lost 2 games we shouldn't and just completely QUIT and gave NO effort against Minnesota. And then you throw in the way we lost games and it's inexcusable.

The 2010 Iowa football team did not lose because of talent issues. You might say 1 or 2 of the teams we lost to had more overall talent, but that's not the reason we lost those games.

It IS a trend, Mace. There are teams around the country with FAR less talent than Iowa that run a better 2-minute drill than us. In fact, if I wanted to, I'm sure I could name a dozen teams that do. So I don't buy that excuse. It's a problem that needs to be addressed by our coaching staff, and it needs to be addressed THIS offseason. They need to take a long look in the mirror and quit being so stubborn and admit they've made some mistakes and get them corrected. I'm still happy overall with Ferentz as coach, but there's OBVIOUS coaching flaws that he and his staff have. For Kirk, he's too loyal and too stubborn + he can't manage a clock to save his life. For KOK, he runs a system that will never bring in any decent skill position talent. For Norm, he's 150 years old and is completely unwilling to make adjustments to his gameplan. We don't need a new head coach. Kirk is perfect for this program overall. What we need are 2 new coordinators with decent recruiting ties. It's not normal to keep all of your coaches around for 12-13 years. It just doesn't happen. I know, Mace......when Hayden lost his assistants to head coaching jobs, it was the beginning of his downfall. True. But Kirk is much younger and the program overall is better right now than it was in the 90's so we could go out and get better coordinators than what we had 15 years ago. Norm is one of the best defensive coordinators in college football over the last 20 years, but he's got health issues and is old. You have to wonder what affect that's had on our defense this year. And KOK is not good at calling plays and runs a system skill position talent does not want to play in. Norm's done a great job at Iowa and I am very thankful for that. But it's time to go. KOK seems like a good guy, but it's time for him to go also. Sometimes change isn't a bad thing, Mace.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:20 pm

One sure sign of progress is when idiots like theJON can go all Chicken Little over a 7-5 season. Too bad you weren't around for the 0-11 season in '73. :roll:

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:50 pm

TheJON wrote:I think the Big-10 is a lot better than the Big-12 this year.

What fucking planet do you live on?

The Big 12 has 5 teams that are 10-2. If the top 5 from the Big 10 matched up with the top 5 from the Big 12 on neutral fields, the 12 would easily go 4-1.

(well maybe not easily, but since you thrive on making outlandish, ridiculous statements, this one's just for you, you fucking dipshit.)

Missouri's only quality win came against OU...

Beating a 10-2 ATM team 37-9 at Kyle Field isn't a quality win on Planet Jon? The same ATM team who then went on to win 6 straight, beating Oklahoma and Nebraska in that stretch? An ATM team who also beat Arkansas?

There must be some good fucking drugs on Planet Jon.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:54 pm

War Wagon wrote:
TheJON wrote:I think the Big-10 is a lot better than the Big-12 this year.
What fucking planet do you live on?

The Big 12 has 5 teams that are 10-2. If the top 5 from the Big 10 matched up with the top 5 from the Big 12 on neutral fields, the 12 would easily go 4-1.

(well maybe not easily, but since you thrive on making outlandish, ridiculous statements, this one's just for you, you fucking dipshit.)

Missouri's only quality win came against OU...
Beating a 10-2 ATM team 37-9 at Kyle Field isn't a quality win on Planet Jon? The same ATM team who then went on to win 6 straight, beating Oklahoma and Nebraska in that stretch? An ATM team who also beat Arkansas?

There must be some good fucking drugs on Planet Jon.

A&M is 9-3 and lost to Arkansas. That game is probably what is preventing them from playing in the Big 12 title game because of the computer rankings.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:56 pm

War Wagon wrote:
TheJON wrote:I think the Big-10 is a lot better than the Big-12 this year.
What fucking planet do you live on?

The Big 12 has 5 teams that are 10-2. If the top 5 from the Big 10 matched up with the top 5 from the Big 12 on neutral fields, the 12 would easily go 4-1.

(well maybe not easily, but since you thrive on making outlandish, ridiculous statements, this one's just for you, you fucking dipshit.)

Missouri's only quality win came against OU...
Beating a 10-2 ATM team 37-9 at Kyle Field isn't a quality win on Planet Jon? The same ATM team who then went on to win 6 straight, beating Oklahoma and Nebraska in that stretch? An ATM team who also beat Arkansas?

There must be some good fucking drugs on Planet Jon.

There's a reason they call it "jonsense", Wags.

That said, I think Wisconsin, tOSU, and Sparty would match up well against anyone in the XII, so 4-1 might be a little much to expect.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:04 pm

woops on that Arkansas game and the 10-2 for ATM, but the gist remains.

Mace wrote:
That said, I think Wisconsin, tOSU, and Sparty would match up well against anyone in the XII, so 4-1 might be a little much to expect.

Oh I know, I just wanted to see milk spew forth from Jons nose while he's eating his Cheerios this morning.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:16 pm

Gene Chizik has won a lot of close games this year, JON, so is he a better coach than Ferentz? Or is it because he has the talented playmaker that Iowa lacks? Is it coaching or the player that has gotten Auburn on the verge of playing for the title?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:10 pm

Mace wrote:Gene Chizik has won a lot of close games this year, JON, so is he a better coach than Ferentz? Or is it because he has the talented playmaker that Iowa lacks? Is it coaching or the player that has gotten Auburn on the verge of playing for the title?

We will not win close games with a playmaker because of our offensive philosophy. Defensively, maybe. Period.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:11 pm

The Big 12 has 5 teams that are 10-2. If the top 5 from the Big 10 matched up with the top 5 from the Big 12 on neutral fields, the 12 would easily go 4-1.

LOL?

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:04 pm

TheJON wrote:
Mace wrote:Gene Chizik has won a lot of close games this year, JON, so is he a better coach than Ferentz? Or is it because he has the talented playmaker that Iowa lacks? Is it coaching or the player that has gotten Auburn on the verge of playing for the title?
We will not win close games with a playmaker because of our offensive philosophy. Defensively, maybe. Period.

Oh, is this another one of your "facts"???

So, is Gene Chizik a better coach than Ferentz? Using jonsense, I guess he'd have to be since he's winning the close ones with Cam Newton and Ferentz is losing them with Stanzi. :roll: