TCU - Moving to the big East?

[Go Coogs']

TCU has no interest in moving to the Big XII.

[King Crimson]

minus the death penalty....in 94 when the wheels set in motion for the Big XII, SMU was probably a shoe-in since they had both successful football and (by SWC standards) basketball...upper-half of the conference academics (comparable to BU), the private status to keep the conference books closed and primary identity in a mixed but loyal football and college sports media market (Dallas--lot of OU grads along with UT and ATM)....but that whole death penalty thing in the late 80's made them significantly less attractive and a convenient scapegoat for the other SWC teams to vilify for "rampant cheating"....when it became time to be good citizens in the new conference.

so, i don't think SMU was really an option. had the decision been made in 1986, they are a no-brainer over Baylor.

[King Crimson]

but, on topic, TCU to the BE does seem weird....it gives them a BCS bid when they win the conference but the BE seems in decline to me while possible Big XII membership would seem more likely now than ever.....though, maybe the XII has shut them down behind closed doors? I didn't read the article.

Frogs would get plungered in hoops, needless to say.

[Felix]

TCU is undergoing 100+ million in stadium upgrades and I can't see them investing that kind of dough to stay in the Mountain West....they'd be an attractive get for any BCS conference, but the big east makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[King Crimson]

TCU is undergoing 100+ million in stadium upgrades and I can't see them investing that kind of dough to stay in the Mountain West....they'd be an attractive get for any BCS conference, but the big east makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

i saw a list on another board (linked article) of football expenditures and TCU is about #30 as i recall, well above many BCS conference schools--for instance Colorado was about 50 and some surprises here and there and the predictable UT and tOSU at the top etc.

i think the commitment is there. Amon Carter is a nice little stadium, but as a medium sized private school with a relatively small alum base.....they don't even sell it out all the time now. with a top 10 team the last two years. their media market is diluted by OU, ATM, and UT fans.

here's the link, can't vouch for it's veracity: as i say though, #30 puts TCU ahead of every Big XII team minus just OU and UT (and Neb in the Big 10).

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/1 ... ama-irish/

[Felix]

i think the commitment is there.

the commitment is definitely there...this isn't a "they want to" this is a "they've raised the money to" improve the stadium

Amon Carter is a nice little stadium, but as a medium sized private school with a relatively small alum base.....they don't even sell it out all the time now. with a top 10 team the last two years. their media market is diluted by OU, ATM, and UT fans.

no doubt competing for the texas fans is tough for a school like TCU, but the Big East?

call me crazy but that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

[Terry in Crapchester]

I'll admit that it doesn't make sense on a map, but conference realignment stopped being about geography awhile ago. From the standpoint of interests of TCU and the Big East, though, it does make sense.

For starters, Go Coogs has it backwards. It's the Big XII with no interest in TCU rather than the other way around. TCU doesn't bring any new media markets to the table in that conference.

I know our resident TCU alum, JSC810, would prefer to see TCU in the SEC. But the only way that's even a remote possibility is if the SEC suddenly decides that adding the Dallas/Ft. Worth market is now their top priority. And even then, there are a number of schools that would be ahead of TCU on their wishlist.

From the Big East's perspective, TCU improves the overall profile of the football conference, moreso than any other school that would be gettable. From TCU's perspective, the biggest divide in BTPCF is between the BCS and non-BCS schools, and joining the Big East puts them on the right side of that divide.

Fwiw, I don't see the MWC claiming the Big East's automatic bid, or even getting an automatic bid in addition to the Big East. A big part of that is In the larger markets repped by the MWC, there are other, higher profile schools out there (OU and Texas, also aTm and Tech to a lesser extent, ahead of TCU in DFW; USC and UCLA ahead of San Diego State in San Diego, Colorado ahead of Colorado State in Denver). And from the perspective of on-field competition, even though they're gaining Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada, they're losing Utah and BYU, so at best they're keeping their position.

As it is, TCU is already a bit of a geographic oddity in their current conference alignment. If that status is going to continue in any event, better, from TCU's perspective, that it continue within the context of a BCS conference. This is probably the best-case scenario for both TCU and the Big East, so I would expect it to happen for that reason.

[Felix]

I know our resident TCU alum, JSC810, would prefer to see TCU in the SEC.

uh no, there are enough teams in the SEC that already make LSU cry, so adding another would be out of the question

As it is, TCU is already a bit of a geographic oddity in their current conference alignment. If that status is going to continue in any event, better, from TCU's perspective, that it continue within the context of a BCS conference. This is probably the best-case scenario for both TCU and the Big East, so I would expect it to happen for that reason.

no doubt TCU would add credibility to a conference that is woefully inadequate to claim an automatic berth into a BCS game....if for no other reason than they would run roughshod over that league, I can see why TCU would contemplate such a move...but as a BSU fan, I'd hate to see the last power team in MWC leave just as we're getting there....

[Terry in Crapchester]

I know our resident TCU alum, JSC810, would prefer to see TCU in the SEC.

uh no, there are enough teams in the SEC that already make LSU cry, so adding another would be out of the question

He's actually said, several times, that he'd like to see TCU move to the SEC. Not that there's much chance of it happening, though.

[King Crimson]

I know our resident TCU alum, JSC810, would prefer to see TCU in the SEC.

uh no, there are enough teams in the SEC that already make LSU cry, so adding another would be out of the question

He's actually said, several times, that he'd like to see TCU move to the SEC. Not that there's much chance of it happening, though.

not if the SEC didn't want OK State when it meant getting Oklahoma in the bargain...the latter they did invite with ATM. I think a few more 8-10 win seasons from Gundy, Pickens $$$, OSU's historically strong hoops, baseball and other spring sports will be attractive to the SEC in the long run (if there is mega-expansion especially) as more than worth it to get OU and possibly ATM. as a total package, OSU is worlds better than TCU.

[Terry in Crapchester]

not if the SEC didn't want OK State when it meant getting Oklahoma in the bargain...the latter they did invite with ATM. I think a few more 8-10 win seasons from Gundy, Pickens $$$, OSU's historically strong hoops, baseball and other spring sports will be attractive to the SEC in the long run (if there is mega-expansion especially) as more than worth it to get OU and possibly ATM. as a total package, OSU is worlds better than TCU.

I suppose I can see why the SEC isn't particularly interested in Oklahoma State. If the SEC goes the superconference route, I think the plan will be to add two teams in the east and two in the west, so there isn't any disruption of the current geographic alignment. Oklahoma State would be relatively low on their wishlist to the west, as would TCU.

If the DFW market is a priority for the SEC, they'd want Texas, OU or aTm all well ahead of TCU. The only chance TCU has of joining the SEC is if: (a) the DFW market becomes a top priority for the SEC; and (b) those other teams all decided either to stay put in the Big XII, or join a Pac superconference en masse.

[King Crimson]

i can't speak to this personally, but from reading ATM boards over the years....seems the SEC is far far more interested in gaining a foothold (for recruiting and TV presence) in Houston than Dallas. at some time in the mythic past ATM and LSU used to play a regular series OOC and the Aggies seem divided on whether it would be a good thing to renew the series (great inter-conference matchup, two great home fields) or not (minimize LSU and SEC recruiting presence in Houston).

[Terry in Crapchester]

i can't speak to this personally, but from reading ATM boards over the years....seems the SEC is far far more interested in gaining a foothold (for recruiting and TV presence) in Houston than Dallas.

Makes sense, as Houston would seem to me to have more in common with the SEC as a whole than Dallas does. I only mentioned the Dallas market within the context of TCU possibly being attractive to the SEC, as it would seem to me that they'd have a much greater presence there than in Houston.

[Dinsdale]

A best case scenario would be TCU and Arkansas both Coming back and going to the South Division

Yes, I'm sure Arky would simply just LOVE to walk away from the SEC.


:insertrolleyes:

[Go Coogs']

If Houston gets the funds together to build a new 50,000 seat stadium with a huge facelift on Hoffeinz Pavilion, then the SEC might come knocking for that market. Houston has to prove they can win on a big stage first.

[SunCoastSooner]

minus the death penalty....in 94 when the wheels set in motion for the Big XII, SMU was probably a shoe-in since they had both successful football and (by SWC standards) basketball...upper-half of the conference academics (comparable to BU), the private status to keep the conference books closed and primary identity in a mixed but loyal football and college sports media market (Dallas--lot of OU grads along with UT and ATM)....but that whole death penalty thing in the late 80's made them significantly less attractive and a convenient scapegoat for the other SWC teams to vilify for "rampant cheating"....when it became time to be good citizens in the new conference.

so, i don't think SMU was really an option. had the decision been made in 1986, they are a no-brainer over Baylor.

Nope, never would have happened. Outside of UT grads Baylor dominates the state legislature. The Texas state legislature would have never allowed any plan to go through without Baylor being involved. If SMU were to replace anyone it would have been Tech not Baylor.

[King Crimson]

minus the death penalty....in 94 when the wheels set in motion for the Big XII, SMU was probably a shoe-in since they had both successful football and (by SWC standards) basketball...upper-half of the conference academics (comparable to BU), the private status to keep the conference books closed and primary identity in a mixed but loyal football and college sports media market (Dallas--lot of OU grads along with UT and ATM)....but that whole death penalty thing in the late 80's made them significantly less attractive and a convenient scapegoat for the other SWC teams to vilify for "rampant cheating"....when it became time to be good citizens in the new conference.

so, i don't think SMU was really an option. had the decision been made in 1986, they are a no-brainer over Baylor.

Nope, never would have happened. Outside of UT grads Baylor dominates the state legislature. The Texas state legislature would have never allowed any plan to go through without Baylor being involved. If SMU were to replace anyone it would have been Tech not Baylor.

i'm aware of the Baylor politico faction, I just didn't feel like going into it. I think SMU was certainly viable...if it was ahead of Taco Tech then perhaps you are right. from reading horn and ATM boards always seemed BU sort of sneaked in 11th hour anyway with Guv. Richards providing the last push. through a non-death penalty SMU in the mix which is, at the time, superior to BU in rev sports and an academic equal....position is more tenuous.

[MuchoBulls]

but, on topic, TCU to the BE does seem weird....it gives them a BCS bid when they win the conference but the BE seems in decline to me while possible Big XII membership would seem more likely now than ever

It's not weird at all. They'll get an automatic BCS league and more revenue then where they are now.

The biggest reason why the Big East is down this year is the lack of experience at QB. I'm pretty sure B.J. Daniels has the most career starts starts and that is like 20 starts. In a year or 2 the league should be back up. Bringing in TCU would obviously help.

I've heard from a few people within the department that it's a virtual lock that TCU will be coming to the Big East.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I've heard from a few people within the department that it's a virtual lock that TCU will be coming to the Big East.

I hate this phrase, largely because it was overused a few years back with regard to ACC expansion, but it looks like a done deal now.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... rts-112910

Joining for all sports is a real coup for TCU, especially in basketball. Btw, my personal story on TCU basketball: in 1987, I went down to Charlotte to catch ND playing TCU in the second round of the NCAA tournament. My erstwhile dormmate, Scott Hicks, put the defensive clamps on Carven Holcombe of TCU (NCAA leading scorer that season) and ND escaped with a narrow victory. A quarter century later, we'll be playing basketball against them in the same conference. A bit surreal.

I've also heard that the Big East wants to add a 10th football member. Look for Villanova to upgrade its football program to 1-A for that reason.

It looks like TCU will be in the Rose Bowl, that is mind boggling to me. When I was there, we were getting rolled 77-0 by most of the SWC. So now TCU vs. Wisconsin?? I hope I'm wrong, but Wisconsin by 20.

One of the interesting ramifications of Auburn passing Oregon in the BCS rankings -- assuming it holds up, that means that the Sugar Bowl gets the first pick among the BCS bowls. I know the Rose Bowl is contractually obligated to take TCU this year, but what if the Sugar Bowl, picking first, wants TCU? Not to mention that the Sugar Bowl would make for easier travel for most of TCU's fanbase.

[MuchoBulls]

Terry, Marinatto did mention that the Big East would go to 10 teams for football.

Villanova is the next target. The Big East is wanting to launch its own TV network and adding Philadelphia certainly helps. Villanova might not be an easy addition because of their limited resources, but everything is going to be done to get them in by 2014.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Personally, I think the Philly market is all about pro sports, and maybe college hoops, but not college football. That said, Villanova allows the conference to expand in football without expanding further in basketball or giving the conference a football-only member, which can be problematic as well.

Perhaps Lincoln Financial Field will be available for Villanova home games, or at least the bigger ones. From the standpoint of where the program is on the field, there will never be a better time for Villanova to upgrade than right now.

Btw, apparent confirmation that TCU is joining the Big East: http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/1 ... -big-east/

I like how the article states that TCU is located "an average of 1,140 miles" from the other Big East members. Fwiw, here's the distance from TCU to the other current members of its current conference, the MWC (rounded to nearest whole miles, I used mapquest, so sue me):

New Mexico: 626 miles
Air Force: 716 miles
Colorado State: 817 miles
Wyoming: 898 miles
UNLV: 1,196 miles
BYU: 1,200 miles
Utah: 1,244 miles
San Diego State: 1,333 miles

If my math is correct, that's an average of 1,004 miles. When the MWC adds Boise State, Nevada and Fresno State, the numbers are:

Fresno State: 1,536 miles
Boise State: 1,584 miles
Nevada: 1,645 miles

Subtract out BYU and Utah, who will be leaving the conference, and you have an average of 1,150 miles per member. Pretty much a wash with the Big East.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I haven't really digested all of this. I'm just curious why TCU would want to leave now, when it appears the MWC nabbing the BE's BCS tie-in is a very real possibility? Or maybe TCU has felt out this matter and realized that's not in the cards.

[King Crimson]

I haven't really digested all of this. I'm just curious why TCU would want to leave now, when it appears the MWC nabbing the BE's BCS tie-in is a very real possibility? Or maybe TCU has felt out this matter and realized that's not in the cards.

no BCS bid for a MWC minus Utah and BYU (and now TCU). no way ever. see the article i linked in the Bad Week for Boise thread for more. conference has lost it's 3 top football programs in the last 6 months. too bad, from my perspective, i would prefer a viable and interesting mountain states conference than mega-conferences and geographical mismashes....but population density as such re: media contracts...not going to happen.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Shit, I forgot Utah and BYU were leaving. Nevermind.

[MuchoBulls]

Personally, I think the Philly market is all about pro sports, and maybe college hoops, but not college football. That said, Villanova allows the conference to expand in football without expanding further in basketball or giving the conference a football-only member, which can be problematic as well.

This is also a good point as well. I know the leagues basketball coaches are against going over what will be 17 teams in basketball, so Villanova coming in would help alleviate that.

Temple plays at Lincoln Financial Field, so I think Villanova will be looking elsewhere.

Sorry about the phrase before. I heard from a few people last week that it was imminent, but couldn't say anything official. 'Nova might be a tougher get, but I get the feeling that they are going to say yes and join the league around 2014.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Temple plays at Lincoln Financial Field, so I think Villanova will be looking elsewhere.

I don't know all the details, but I think Lincoln Financial Field would prefer the Big East to the MAC. They might be looking to break their deal with Temple if they can get Villanova in. But three tenants in the fall (Villanova, Temple and the Eagles) might be a bit difficult, even if Temple and Villanova can cut a deal with ESPN to get a number of their home games televised on weekends.

[MuchoBulls]

I would think Lincoln Financial Field would want Villanova as well. I'm just not sure hwo Temple's lease is set up with them.

[Screw_Michigan]

I don't know if there is room for all three tenants at the Linc. Having three teams on that grass field would certainly chew it up by November and that might piss off the Eagles, who are the "main tenant." Maybe they'll install turf, I don't know.

[Felix]

announced today, TCU has accepted the invite
it's obvious that playing in the big east gives TCU a shot at a national title every year and that's what they want...can't say that I blame them but I hate to see it from a Boise State fan perspective....the MWC is now going to be the WAC east, with just a slightly superior bottom half than the WAC has.....

well, at least we'll get one shot at them in league play next year....

[Felix]

Pretty sad to see the BE desperate enough to snag a team from the deep South. :D

at the present time, I think the big east is desperate for any kind of attention
having watched (under the threat of death) several BE games this year, all I can say is that Pitt sucks monkey testes

[Screw_Michigan]

Why? Because they'll beat the shit out of all the Big East teams, and since the NE is the country's media home, those assholes will vote them up as much as they possibly can. Watch ESPN become the biggest TCUBSH's you'll ever see.

There are no schools from New England in the Big East, you fat fucking retard. Also, ESPN doesn't slurp Big East football because of its status. Basketball? Completely different story.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Why? Because they'll beat the shit out of all the Big East teams, and since the NE is the country's media home, those assholes will vote them up as much as they possibly can. Watch ESPN become the biggest TCUBSH's you'll ever see.

There are no schools from New England in the Big East, you fat fucking retard. Also, ESPN doesn't slurp Big East football because of its status.

Dude, I'm pretty sure that in that context, NE means northeast, not New England.

That having been said, UConn was in New England last I checked, as was Providence, although they're not a football member.

But SECBSH accusing ESPN of slurping Big East cock is about as funny as it gets.

Basketball? Completely different story.

In basketball, ESPN is too busy slurping ACC cock to notice the Big East.

[TheJON]

Boise State might as well just commit suicide now. They are getting fucked......hard.

Utah and BYU leave the Mountain West........and now TCU. This leaves them in a conference that is no more difficult than the one they are already in. What a horrible week for Boise State. Because of a kicker, they go from the Rose/National title game to the Fight the Hunger (?) Bowl. And now TCU leaves?

I'm thinking Chris Peterson might want to reconsider sticking around that program now.

[BSmack]

The Big East gets a lot of love from sports broadcasters because so many of them went to Big East schools. Namely Syracuse. If the SEC wants undeserved media love, one of their schools should start a decent communications program.

[Dinsdale]

I'm almost in shock that Screwing Juniors wouldn't know about NE meaning "Northeast", but maybe you were right.

Just shut the ever living fuck up, you fat fucking South England Conference Ball Sucking Homer.


Sin,
Dude from the Great NW (stands for New south Wales)

[Dinsdale]

If the SEC wants undeserved media love, one of their schools should start a decent communications program.

RAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!



Sin,

[Felix]

Because of a kicker, they go from the Rose/National title game to the Fight the Hunger (?) Bowl.

a game can be won on a single play, but it can't be lost

that was a team loss, not the fault of Kyle Brotzman....Boise State just couldn't get their defense off the field in the second half while Nevada just kept pounding away them with the run....the Nevada offense had the ball for almost 25 minutes in the second half and the defense was gassed.....lots of blame to go around in that loss

I'm thinking Chris Peterson might want to reconsider sticking around that program now.

he'll be more determined than ever to take BSU to the next level...and next years schedule might give them a chance (georgia to open the season, and TCU to close it)