Fuck the US government

[TheJON]

I have a specific bank account that I use exclusively for online poker. It is the only account I keep at that bank in case I was to be caught by the bank. Well.........those for fuckers closed out my account because they found out what I was using it for. Total bullshit. Now I have to go get a prepaid Visa card so I can make deposits into my poker accounts and receive payouts.

The US Government is so lame. Everyone is playing poker (or gambling) online. So why not regulate it instead of just making it illegal? They would make billions of dollars every year if they would just legalize it and regulate it. Why force us to ship our funds off to Costa Rica or Nicaragua when these monies could go to US based operations. There's about 8-10 million Americans that play online poker.

Don't get me wrong, I am against legalizing other online gambling games. But poker is a game of skill. You can't bust us, all you can do is force the banks to block our online transacations. But we have ways around this. Western Union, prepaid Visa debit cards, etc..... The online poker sites will get my money one way or another. It's just a shame that the money is going to some foreign country instead of into our economy. The problem is the US Government doesn't want to believe poker is a game of skill. They see it as a game of chance. It is not. Short-term.......yes. But if you think long-term poker is based on anything BUT skill, you suck at poker and are looking for an excuse as to why you lose.

[Derron]

But if you think long-term poker is based on anything BUT skill, you suck at poker and are looking for an excuse as to why you lose.

Yeah..there is no way ON LINE poker could ever be rigged at all. Fucking moronic troll... :doh: :doh:

[Mikey]

You didn't leave a choice for DGARA.

[Cuda]

I have a specific bank account that I use exclusively for online poker.

Don't ever pretend to be heterosexual again- EVER

[BSmack]

Pokers is as much a game of chance as blackjack or craps.

[Wolfman]

If you kept getting hands like this how could you win ?



I'm not a gambler, but I believe black jack has the best odds of any game of chance. And you do not need to be like
the MIT Blackjack Team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team

[mvscal]

Pokers is as much a game of chance as blackjack or craps.

The skill lies in the ability to calculate the odds within a profitable margin of tolerance. Many claim it but very few people actually have this skill hence enormously wealthy casinos.

[War Wagon]

anybody can start a poll up in this bitch.

[Trampis]

I have a specific bank account that I use exclusively for online poker. It is the only account I keep at that bank ...

I have a specific bank account exclusively for hookers and blow-sin.

[TheJON]

But if you think long-term poker is based on anything BUT skill, you suck at poker and are looking for an excuse as to why you lose.

Yeah..there is no way ON LINE poker could ever be rigged at all. Fucking moronic troll... :doh: :doh:

Why would they rig it? Give me ANY answer and I will prove what a god damn fucking moron you are.

Come on.........any answer, I will fucking pwn you.

[TheJON]

Pokers is as much a game of chance as blackjack or craps.

No, not at all. Not even close.

Short-term poker is a game of chance. Long-term poker is 100% skill. There is absolutely no such thing as a successful poker player that doesn't have great skill.

I can win with the worst hand. I can maximize my profits on the good hands I get. I can manipulate someone into thinking I have a weak hand, when I actually have a big hand. This is difficult and requires experience and practice.

Let me put it to you this way......

I learned how to play poker just by playing cheap home games with friends back in 2003. For about 6 months I would just play $10-$20 games with friends. Started enjoying it and wanted to get better at it because I was no good. Couldn't really even win a high percentage of these home games. Started reading poker books and figuring out what I was doing wrong. Took my game to a casino in the Quad Cities for the 1st time. I believe I bought in for $100 and played a few hours of $3-$6 limit hold 'em before busting.

Kept practicing and studying and working on my game. The first 4-5 times I basically got my ass handed to me, but by 2004 I was starting to really master the $3-$6 and $4-$8 limit games. It's virtually impossible to turn a long-term profit in $3-$6 limit because the casino rake is so high. But I was winning a little bit at $4-$8 level and pretty much breaking even on the $3-$6 tables by the start of 2004. As I became more experienced, I got to a point where I was no longer getting my ass handed to me.

Somewhere around mid-2004 I wanted to take a shot at the no-limit tables. The popular game at the time for no-limit in our casino was $1-$2 with a $100 buy-in (this has since been changed- you can buy-in for between $100 and $300). I started bringing $200 each time. The first few times I pretty much donked all my money away. The no-limit and limit games are so much different. Limit strategy is quite simple- play tight, aggressive. The no-limit strategy requires you to adapt to how the table is playing. But I would sit down and play like I did at the limit table, but it didn't work as much because I could never get paid off on my big hands. Then I would make one really bad play- which cost me all of my chips. I hadn't really studied much no-limit strategy, so I started reading up on it and gradually got better and better.

2005 was a pretty good year given my poker experience. I still wasn't making a killing at the tables, but I was improving and was starting to see some decent profits. My best month in 2005 I had made about $2,400. My worst month, I had lost $1,800. Averaged somewhere around a $700 a month profit playing once a week on average. Not bad considering I was more of a recreational player.

But by 2006, I really wanted to start making money at poker, so I started getting serious about it. I studied, I strategized more, and I got myself a poker mentor- who happened to be a good friend of mine. He was making about $5,000 a month playing the same games I was (at this point I played no-limit exclusively). He would sit at the same table as me and after we played he would give me some pointers on what I did wrong and what I did right. Within a few weeks I had probably learned more about poker strategy and game theory than I ever knew. He would tell me why he made a certain play if I felt it was odd. What I learned mostly was that there was a method to his madness. Every play he made had a reason behind it. I started thinking this way. I already had the "pot odds" down to a science, but now I was getting more into the mental thinking of the game.

2006 was a very good year for me at the poker tables. I still was working a full-time job, but I wanted to start making some good money at the tables too so that I could soon start a business. Well, my 2006 poker profits were the reason I was able to do that. Each month I would win more and more. Yeah, there were bad months in there- it's impossible to avoid bad runs no matter how good you are. But by the end of 2006, even with the losing months, I was averaging about $2,000 profit per month playing $1-$2 no-limit hold 'em (and occasional $2-$5) and low buyin tournaments ($60-$100) maybe twice a week at the most.

2007 I quit my job and played poker full-time. Not saying how much I made, but it was a good year. If I made a chart of my poker winnings, you would notice a steady increase in profits from month to month.

2008 I took my poker funds and started a business and just kept increasing my Poker ROI. Ever since, it's been a steady climb. Downfalls at times, but overall it's been mostly an upward slope.

So what I'm saying is I am not profiting from poker because I'm lucky. Nobody is THAT lucky. You have to have incredible skill to profit over the long-term. My profits increased with experience. That is not luck. In blackjack or craps, your long-term results are based 100% on luck. In the long-run you will ALWAYS lose at those games unless you can count cards (blackjack). It's mathematically impossible to win in the long-run in blackjack. That is not true for poker. Skill trumps luck in that game. The ONLY people that disagree with that either do not play or are looking for excuses as to why they aren't winning. It's just like Derron crying about online poker being rigged..........he's probably a losing player. They always are. They just can't admit they suck at it so they blame the online casino for being rigged. It's not rigged. They just suck. Period.

[TheJON]

I'm not a gambler, but I believe black jack has the best odds of any game of chance. And you do not need to be like
the MIT Blackjack Team.

I rarely play blackjack or any casino game other than poker, but I'm fairly certain that blackjack has one of the lowest odds of any table game......unless you can count cards.

[Imus]

And what year did you start taking face hits of jizz? About the same time you rationalized that getting a blow job from a guy isn't gay?

[TheJON]

And what year did you start taking face hits of jizz? About the same time you rationalized that getting a blow job from a guy isn't gay?

Not a Harold and Kumar fan, ey?

[Derron]

Why would they rig it?

Ahhh....because they can ?? But thanks to the legions of internet tards like yourself, who feel better playing ONLINE poker, versus a casino or cardhouse...and think they are GETTING OVER and beating the house

Online gambler: I think I will just go online and play some cards, after all even though I cannot see the deck or touch the cards, there is no way online gaming would fuck me over .....

Normal gambler: I am going down to the casino with my allotted gaming money and play some black jack with REAL CARDS and a DEALER I can see..if I win OK, if I lose my wad, I will go home....

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I don't think they're rigged. They might be able to rip some people off at first, but in the long run they'll make more money by building their rep and clientele. If people are being scammed, it will become evident over time and they will lose their customers. There's no need to scam people when the house already has a massive advantage. In that sense it already is rigged.

[TheJON]

Todd,

I have no gambling problem whatsoever. I play nothing but poker. No slots, no blackjack, I don't even have a clue how to play craps, etc...only time I ever play anything else is when I go to Vegas. Poker has been a big part of my income the last couple of years. And it's one of my favorite hobbies. Quitting poker would make poor financial sense and it would be like quitting watching sports or movies.

Derron,

You definitely are a losing player. Guess what, Derron....there are sights you can check your hand history on and that check the hand histories of poker sites. They will tell you how many times a certain hand has won against another hand(s) and you will learn that the percentages come out to what is expected.

You see all these sick bad beats online and think it's rigged because it doesn't happen AS MUCH at a casino. What you donkeys don't realize is you see 4x as many hands in an hour online, plus a lot of players play multiple tables. Some people see as many as 40x the number of hands an hour. Guess what, Derron? The more hands you see, the more bad beats you will see.

There are sick bad beats at a casino too. I lost all-ins with pocket aces 3 times at a casino in the same night as I lost an all-in on a 1200 pot (money got in on the turn) with the nut straight vs a freakin flush draw and the dude rivered a flush. That's poker. Plus, there are more idiots chasing and calling with crap online so you will see even more bad beats.

I was playing in casinos exclusively until recently (for the most part) but out local poker room has gotten shitty and I need to be home more right now. Had a really horrible run a couple months ago- playing at a casino. Nothing I could do about it. Was getting my money in consistently with the best hand and losing. That's poker. Should I cry about the casino being rigged? It must be a rigged auto-shuffler, right? Nope. Bad runs and bad beats happen REGULARLY in poker. It's impossible to avoid. Play the odds, play the percentages, make your opponents pay to chase, learn when to and when not to slow play, and you will come out ahead in the long run.

The online casinos use RNG's (random number generator). They are audited. These are run by successful business people. Scamming players would be horrible for business and could land them in jail for many years. They don't need to rig it to make money. They make money EVERY game you sign up for and they have THOUSANDS of players. What benefit would they have for rigging it? They wouldn't make more money unless you're one of the idiots that think they create "robots".

Here's the thing....

While I don't have anywheres near as much experience playing online as I do in live poker, my online ROI is only slightly higher than my live poker ROI. This can be attributed to the larger number of donks that play online.

Learn to play and stop whining about rigged poker sites. These sites are audited. Plus, have you even thought about how darn near impossible it would be to rig them? Ask a computer engineer. In fact I've read articles and will link them to you if you want. I've had my hand histories put into a database and no percentages seemed weird at all.

Bottom line, improve your game. It's funny how people that claim it is rigged are the ones losing, but they rarely realize the mistakes they are making. The ones that do admit they are playing poorly work on their game and then all of a sudden they start winning and no longer feel the site is rigged. Isn't that amazing!?

If you want to get good at poker, let me know. I will turn you into a money making machine in a month. You won't think poker is rigged once you start realizing your errors.

Like Mgo said, the house is already getting your money. Though his "house already has an advantage" is incorrect. You aren't playing against the house.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I can't believe how many gambling prodigies we have on this board.

Gotta love the internet.

[TheJON]

When did I say I was a gambling prodigy? I'm far from that. Almost never play any games against the house because you can't beat them (unless you know how to count cards in blackjack or have the balls to try and cheat a casino). Plus, gambling is boring. There's no thinking involved. No skill. You put your money onto the table or in the machine and watch the casino take it from you.

I never understood the interest in slot machines especially. I can't play those things because they're boring but I do get a kick out of finding the biggest degenerate in the casino and watching them get pissed off at the machine. The best ones are the tards that get pissed because they hit some stupid bonus game on the penny slots and get excited that they were gonna win big only to end up winning a dollar. They flip shit when that happens. My buddy and I were watching this surprisingly attractive lady get a bonus game betting 250 credits and she won 100 on the bonus game and yells "I bet 250 fucking credits and don't even get my money back!? Fuck you piece of shit machine". And then she bitchslapped the machine. Turns around to us and goes "what the fuck are you looking at?".

Now is the time to go people watching at a casino. 3 in the morning. If my wife didn't have me (figuratively) chained to this motherfucking bed, I would drive out there and go slot machine watching.

Actually, come to think of it- my favorite slot players are the ones that try manipulating the machines for good luck by waving their hands up and down the machine while it's spinning. That shit is fucking funny. I almost went up to this heffer once and told her maybe she should stop doing that because I had seen her do that about 25 spins in a row and she wasn't getting anything. Don't you finally get to a point where you go, "yep, this voodoo shit ain't working".

Seriously, what the fuck is the fixation with slot machines? No skill, no strategy, impossible to win long-term, low percentage of players ever win per day. But you build a casino and put in 500 slot machines and just about any time of day they are half full. At least play video poker. I'm told that game has some actual skill- though I couldn't tell you what it is because I don't think I have ever played it.

[Screw_Michigan]

Seriously, what the fuck is the fixation with slot machines? No skill, no strategy, impossible to win long-term, low percentage of players ever win per day. But you build a casino and put in 500 slot machines and just about any time of day they are half full. At least play video poker. I'm told that game has some actual skill- though I couldn't tell you what it is because I don't think I have ever played it.

Slot machines are the Sarah Palins of gambling vehicles.

[TheJON]

Not sure I like that analogy. I would have sex with Sarah Palin but not a slot machine.

[BSmack]

Not sure I like that analogy. I would have sex with Sarah Palin but not a slot machine.

Then the analogy is either way you're getting fucked.

[Mace]

Not sure I like that analogy. I would have sex with Sarah Palin but not a slot machine.

Then the analogy is either way you're getting fucked.

There are lots of similarities between women and slot machines. You feed them money and they pay out enough to keep you giving up your money.

[Screw_Michigan]

Not sure I like that analogy. I would have sex with Sarah Palin but not a slot machine.

You don't have to like it, you just have to accept it. They both appeal to the lowest common denominator of society.

[Moving Sale]

I am against legalizing other online gambling games.

So you're a commie pinko. Way to out yourself you Apple Pie raping fuckcusion.

[TheJON]

I am against legalizing other online gambling games.

So you're a commie pinko. Way to out yourself you Apple Pie raping fuckcusion.

The 'ol "he disagrees with me so he must be a commie" defense. Gotta love those.

[TheJON]

Here's a way - and it's probably happened to you several times.

You will get a "Team" of players at a table and one or two patsies.

The team will be on IM communicating their hole cards to each other - so in effect you're not playing 5 different players = you're playing one player wth access to 5 different hands.

I'll let you figure out the probability of success against that.

Well considering my win probability is very high, I would suggest I'm not getting raped too much on it......

The sites have actually taken measures against this. First off, you can't play at the same table as someone with the same IP. They also have tracking software that is in place to catch people that are constantly signing up for the same games and/or live in the same area. You can still pull off team cheating schemes, but it's very difficult and if you continually do it you will get caught.

And just because somebody knows what everyone else at the table had doesn't mean they know what I have. You can still beat the cheaters. I know this because I have physically watched cheaters get buttfucked in the mouth.

[Derron]

I would suggest I'm not getting raped too much on it......

I know this because I have physically watched cheaters get buttfucked in the mouth.

Sticking to what you know best would make sense.

[Atomic Punk]

Please tell me TheJON is not a shit troll owned by Tardowned or N Frisco. These tards make this board unreadable.

This is embarrassing man.

[TheJON]

Jon, my opinion is that anyone who post such lengthy commentary on gambling does in fact have a problem.

Same with racial commentary. Only someone who is deeply consumed with the subject will type on and on for a post that covers the monitor screen.


If I have to use my scroll wheel, I ain't reading it.

Wait, so I type a lot so I have a gambling problem? Yeah, see, I type a lot on basically anything I discuss on these boards.

I have absolutely NO gambling problem whatsoever. Not even the slightest bit of one. Besides, I've played maybe 2-3 hours of poker total in the last couple of months.

Let me ask you this........if you were doing something (doesn't matter what, as long as it is legal) that was making you some pretty good money consistently, would you stop doing it?

[Dinsdale]

Here's a way - and it's probably happened to you several times.

You will get a "Team" of players at a table and one or two patsies.

The team will be on IM communicating their hole cards to each other - so in effect you're not playing 5 different players = you're playing one player wth access to 5 different hands.

I'll let you figure out the probability of success against that.

The sites have actually taken measures against this. First off, you can't play at the same table as someone with the same IP. They also have tracking software that is in place to catch people that are constantly signing up for the same games and/or live in the same area. You can still pull off team cheating schemes, but it's very difficult and if you continually do it you will get caught.

I had some friends try this one one of the sites they rarely played, and they lasted a few minutes.

I've gotten payouts from Full Tilt because I was at a table with cheaters.

Damn-near impossible to pull off.


BTW -- my buddy tried to log on to FT this afternoon -- got a popup that said the state of Washington passed some law and they were blocking all Washington players. The funny part is, he lives 30 miles farther from Washington than I do (it's about 2 miles from where I am now).

[Dinsdale]

I'm not sitting throught that.

What year?

Things have changed dramatically over the last 2-3 years.


VERY hard to cheat these days.

Near-impossible to cheat in a tourney, unlikely in a ring game.

[TheJON]

I had some friends try this one one of the sites they rarely played, and they lasted a few minutes.

I've gotten payouts from Full Tilt because I was at a table with cheaters.

Damn-near impossible to pull off.

How did they determine proper compensation for you? You may have been cheated, but how could the site possibly determine HOW MUCH you were cheated out of? Or did they just split up the cheaters winnings evenly amongst everyone at the table?

You're right, it is pretty tough to pull off- at least on PStars or FTP. I would never play on any other site because they don't have great reputations and have thousands of fewer customers. I wouldn't be surprised if sites like Bodog or Doyle's Room cheat you, but I will never go and find out for myself. No decent poker player would play on those sites anyways. If you live in America and play the majority of your poker on any site besides PStars or FTP (maybe AP/UB too), you're not any good anyways.

What you said is exactly what KC_Scott doesn't understand. It's tough as shit to pull off a cheating scam on these sites anymore. My brother was over a few months back and he had his own laptop and we tried signing up for the same Sit N Go, but once he signed up they wouldn't let me in the game. We can play heads-up against each other (and we did), but no multi-player games.

BTW -- my buddy tried to log on to FT this afternoon -- got a popup that said the state of Washington passed some law and they were blocking all Washington players. The funny part is, he lives 30 miles farther from Washington than I do (it's about 2 miles from where I am now).

That is really weird. Why would they block all Washington players? It's allegedly illegal in the entire United States (though the government does not enforce it), so why just Washington?

Just found an article from ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/co ... id=5808565

What total fucking BS. This article is a few weeks old. I had not heard of it, but then again I have not being playing poker or paying attention to the poker world recently either.

It's an absolute joke. Anyone that thinks poker is anything but a game of skill is completely clueless and should shut the fuck up. The same players win consistently, and there is a reason for that.........because they're more talented than the other players. I sometimes wonder about the intelligence of society. Doesn't anyone realize that luck, in the long-run, will even itself out in card games? Blackjack is the same, except you cannot beat blackjack since it is played against the house. Any idiot can have a good run of cards, but without the skill........they will lose it all back (and then some). That's how poker works. Over the long-term, he who has the skill advantage will trump those that do not.

There's BILLIONS of dollars the US could be making off of poker players if they weren't so god damn stupid. I would GLADLY accept a tax on my poker winnings if they legalized it. Would cut them a check by April 15th every year with no argument. Plus, if you could make these online casinos legal here, think about how much revenue would stay in the US economy instead of shipping it overseas like we do so many other things. I am asking the US government to take my money but they won't? How ridiculous is that???

[TheJON]

More advanced cheating - big time

Part 1



Part 2

EPIC FAIL!

Dude, that AP/UB cheating scandal is so old. It was like 5 years ago. Everyone knows about that. Those sites have become so clean because of that. The cheaters, if you will notice, were caught. It was so obvious too.

Nice try. Got anything legit in the last few years??? Nope, didn't think so.

Like Dinsdale said.........times have changed over the last few years. It's damn near impossible to pull off a cheating scandal. Do your research next time and come back with some legit videos that aren't old.

[Y2K]

Sports betting on the Web is legit because humans dictate the pay-off...


If you bet real US Currency $ and a computer spits out the cards?


...No freakn way you are a tool....

No way

[TheJON]

EPIC FAIL!

Dude, that AP/UB cheating scandal is so old. It was like 5 years ago. Everyone knows about that. Those sites have become so clean because of that. The cheaters, if you will notice, were caught. It was so obvious too.

The 60 minutes report originated Nov. 2008
If you watched it you'd have seen, no one was caught / arrested or anything close.
The owner of the site was complicit in the scam - and it was players who had been cheated that broke the story - not the owners of site or the indians who run the "gaming comission"
The owner of the site sits on that same "gaming comission"

It originated in November 2008, but the story was leaked a year prior. Everyone in the poker community knows Russ Hamilton was behind it. It's not the online poker community's fault or problem that the Canadian police will not bust him. Since that story, Absolute Poker has turned in evidence against him but they won't file charges. Everyone wants him behind bars and there's nothing anyone can do about it. But that doesn't have anything to do with the site(s). First off, AP/UB are not the most reputable sites. Since then things have changed but they still do not have anywhere near the reputation that Full Tilt or PokerStars has. And this is why none of the top pros play on their sites- though Annie Duke and Phil Helmuth do promote it.

Everyone knows you either play on FTP or PStars, and if you don't.......well, you're not any good anyways.

What you are failing to realize is the MAJOR changes these sites have made because of this scandal. They've invested MILLIONS of dollars to prevent it from happening on their site- though nothing like this has ever happened to FTP or PStars. But they learned from Absolute/Ultimate Bet that you better be certain your software can't be hacked.

This link is a great example of how your online poker cheating theories are completely false and ridiculous....

http://www.best-poker-sites.net/poker-a ... er-rigged/

About Random Number Generators

the RNGs used by the major poker sites are well programmed and refined. They have been constantly upgraded and improved over the years, and statistical analysis of hand histories show that the distribution of hands in online poker reflect the true statistical odds over a massive sample size (PokerStars alone has dealt over 50 billion hands to date!)

This means that over 50 million+ hands, the cards on PokerStars (and other sites) came out, statistically speaking, just as they would if you were to deal 50 million hands with a physical deck of cards. So this shoots down any "they rig the deck" arguments.

Personally, I use PokerTracker....

http://www.pokertracker.com/

I can throw my hand histories into this program and it will give me a statistical analysis of any situation imaginable that I have played. Speaking of hand histories.......poker sites will give you your hand history upon request and it is stored on your computer hard drive automatically. Why would they allow this if they were cheating you? You can easily prove, based on your hand histories, if you have been cheated.

On collusion.....

The fact is that while collusion is possible both online and offline, it’s actually easier to detect online. Software can very easily and accurately track which players are winning which hands against each other. All of the major sites use software to check for collusion, and it’s actually relatively easy to tell when two or more players are colluding, even if all they are doing is soft playing (not betting into each other).

I mentioned this in a previous post. It's very difficult and RARE for collusion to occur at online poker anymore because of the measures put in place the last couple of years. It is so easy to track collusion with the software they use. You would have to be incredibly smart and original to pull it off. I'm sure it does happen, but it's a rarity. And even with cheaters like this, you can still beat them. It really isn't hard for a decent player to notice "team" play going on at a table if you play with the same players long enough. Poker sites get thousands of emails a month from people crying about being cheated. So the site will go back and test their allegation, and if they find out that the players being accused of have a history of playing together........they will get caught.

Sites like Full Tilt Poker for example are multi-billion dollar companies, and they make their money from taking a rake – it doesn’t matter who wins or loses on their site, they always profit. So it makes sense for them to do everything within their power to keep people playing, and they know that people will only play if they trust the site.

This is another argument that completely shoots down the cheating theory. Do you realize how many players play on FTP or PStars? Probably about 30,000. About 5,000 or so play DAILY- many play for HOURS a day.......multiple tables at a time. Let me explain to you how they get their money. There are hundreds of thousands of hands per day in their cash games. They take a rake on EVERY SINGLE HAND. They also have probably 2,000 sit n gos and tournaments running per day where they get typically 10% of your buy-in. Sit n gos and tournaments range from anywhere between 2 and 2,000+ players.

So, as you can see, the site is making millions off of its players.........without cheating them. Explain to me why a site would want to risk the entire reputation of their business by cheating their customers out of money when they have absolutely no need to?

So, based on what I have said.......

-It is damn near impossible to get away with playing "team" poker given the tight security measures they have taken. And I can attest to this because I have had problems getting into games with people on the same IP or close proximity- not that we were planning on cheating.

-It makes no sense for a poker site to cheat you and risk their reputation (especially after the AP/UB scandal) when they don't need to.

-Random Number Generators that the sites use are tested by OUTSIDE auditors that track their hand histories and every test has PROVEN that the percentages come out just as they should.

Fact is, there are 2 types of people that think online poker is rigged or you are being cheated at the tables....

1.Bad poker players that don't want to work on their game, but instead will cry about the site being rigged. I see this all the time. I have friends that swear on their life that it is rigged, but when I ask to see their hand history I will see a shitload of hands they misplayed and find out they actually played horrible and deserved to lose. I emailed a buddy one time about 20 hands over ONE HOUR that he misplayed and found out the real reason he was losing had NOTHING to do with the site.

OR

2.People that have never played poker online (or have played very little). They just assume it is cuz they had a buddy that told them it was or they read some bogus story somewhere. Most of them probably know a few too many donks that fit into category #1.

Is it possible to COMPLETELY avoid cheating in online poker? No, but it is also equally impossible to avoid it in a casino. The difference is, it's actually easier to track online. The amount of cheating that goes on at online poker anymore is so little that it doesn't even matter to me. I would be completely surprised if I have EVER been cheated online, and really surprised if it has happened more than once.

Here's what I know.......

My online ROI is slightly higher (though in much fewer hands) than my live poker ROI. I am not cheating online and I can't imagine any reason why the poker sites I play on would want to rig them in my favor. I have no connections to them. Plain and simple........it's not rigged and you aren't being cheated in any way. Those that disagree are of the lowest level of intelligence and so their opinion does not matter.

[TheJON]

Sports betting on the Web is legit because humans dictate the pay-off...


If you bet real US Currency $ and a computer spits out the cards?


...No freakn way you are a tool....

No way

You know you are dumb, right?

[OCmike]

So you typed all that long-winded, droningly endless tripe about how casino poker kicks ass and online poker is for losers...in a thread you started about legalizing online poker because it's awesome and everyone plays?

FAIL

[TheJON]

So you typed all that long-winded, droningly endless tripe about how casino poker kicks ass and online poker is for losers...in a thread you started about legalizing online poker because it's awesome and everyone plays?

FAIL

I will give you 10,000 bucks from my ftp account if you can show me where in the fuck in this thread I said, or even suggested that.

Making shit up about what someone said, FTW???

You FAIL, actually. I PREFER casino poker because I enjoy the social aspect of it. But I have grown fond of online poker as well, and I never said anything to the contrary.
If you have to argue a point by making up what somebody said, you FAIL.

[OCmike]

Dude, if I want to play the "I didn't say those exact words, even though i suggested or inferred exactly what you say"-game, i'll call the XOL.

And solid job outing yourself as either a bald-faced liar or complete dumbfuck. The only account you should ever have $10,000 in is in a bank or with a broker.