ND to the Sun Bowl

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:49 pm

vs. Miami, apparently official. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/n ... id=5888152

This one has potential to be interesting.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:53 pm

The AP wrote:marquee matchup

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:19 am

i think it's good that ND will play the game instead of the "decline" position when it comes to "lesser" bowls. Time for the Irish to re-enter the world of actual BTPCF instead of inhabiting myths of the past. Good for the seniors, extra practices, fans, etc.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:24 am

I agree, KC. I'll give them that.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:59 am

I wouldn't wish a trip to El Paso on anyone........not even Notre Dame fan.

I'm sure Miami fan will show up in droves for this one......

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:06 am

Stanford got screwed.

A win over VaTech won't enhance their cred one bit, plus they have to go all the way to fucking Florida. At least they're not playing UConn.

Stanford - Wisky whould have been a great matchup. Stanford - OU would have been better than VaTech. Really, they should have found a way to put the two non-top 10 teams in the same game.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:31 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:I agree, KC. I'll give them that.

HUH?

Just shut the ever living fuck up.

Don't fucking sit there and agree that "it's good for the seniors" out of one side of your fucking mouth, while whining like a bitch about the bowl system out of the other.

Dear god, you just laid down an outrageous example of KYOA.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:55 am

Papa Willie wrote: Will a loss to the Hokies enhance Stanfart's credit?

Probably not.

Just sayin' - the Hokies have quietly whipped everybody's ass since the James Madison throw-up.

We're talking ACC here. The down side is a lot bigger than the upside for Stanford. Not saying that VaTech is a bad team but a #4 loss to #13 would look pretty bad, a win not nearly as impressive as if they were playing a 1 loss Big 10 team or even Okie. And in Florida there's a definite geographical disadvantage.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:15 am

Seasons Over, only football games Ill watch between now and next August will be Mission Viejo's games in the Pac 5 Championship and then in the State Bowl Game

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:12 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
The AP wrote:marquee matchup

Not that it's any of my concern, Screw, but perhaps you should change your nic to Screw_ND. Your anti-ND posts outnumber your anti-Michigan posts by a considerable margin.

TheJON wrote:I wouldn't wish a trip to El Paso on anyone........not even Notre Dame fan.

I'm sure Miami fan will show up in droves for this one......

I'm guessing you're joking here. While Miami fan travelled reasonably well in that program's heyday, that's no longer the case. Most of the folks who descend on El Paso for this one will be ND fans.

I had thought of trying to go down for the game, as tickets start as little as $15. But there doesn't seem to be any good way to get to El Paso, plus the things I've heard about the place. I have a cousin who used to live in Albuquerque, but that was a long time ago when she was getting a Master's degree in Art History from UNM (one of the few schools in the country that offered that degree). Besides, Albuquerque is a decent haul from El Paso, about 260 miles or so. There doesn't seem to be any way to get to El Paso and back for < $500. So it looks like I'll probably be watching the game on TV.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:47 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:This one has potential to be interesting.

No, it doesn't.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:39 pm

King Crimson wrote:i think it's good that ND will play the game instead of the "decline" position when it comes to "lesser" bowls. Time for the Irish to re-enter the world of actual BTPCF instead of inhabiting myths of the past. Good for the seniors, extra practices, fans, etc.

They declined a bowl because they thought it to be "lesser" once in the last 40+ years. They declined last year because they were going through a coaching change and the team voted not to go.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:52 pm

Killian wrote:
King Crimson wrote:i think it's good that ND will play the game instead of the "decline" position when it comes to "lesser" bowls. Time for the Irish to re-enter the world of actual BTPCF instead of inhabiting myths of the past. Good for the seniors, extra practices, fans, etc.
They declined a bowl because they thought it to be "lesser" once in the last 40+ years. They declined last year because they were going through a coaching change and the team voted not to go.

fair enough. point taken. btw, by all accounts the Sooners who made the trip to El Paso last year seemed to have enjoyed it a lot. Sun Bowl has been around for a long time and apparently they put out a pretty good spread.....from reading the OU homer boards from last year. Can't beat the food in El Paso.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:00 pm

In my opinion, this is the best possible outcome. As Terry said, ND gets to go to a bowl game with some history instead of going to the Poulin Weed-eater Independence Bowl (‘sup 1997), and they get to play a team that they have a history with, and that they will be adding to the schedule in 2012. Also, this saves ND from getting ass raped by Nebraska in a bowl game.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:41 pm

Killian wrote:In my opinion, this is the best possible outcome. As Terry said, ND gets to go to a bowl game with some history instead of going to the Poulin Weed-eater Independence Bowl (‘sup 1997), and they get to play a team that they have a history with, and that they will be adding to the schedule in 2012. Also, this saves ND from getting ass raped by Nebraska in a bowl game.

It also leaves the Champs Sports Bowl option on the table for next year, at least. Other than that, our only bowl tie-in is with the Pinstripe Bowl, which is only a contingent option (i.e., we go there if the Big XII doesn't have a sufficient number of bowl-eligible teams to fill that slot), but starting next year that could be a realistic option if there isn't some more bowl reshuffling in the interim.

Imho, the Champs Sports Bowl wanted to leave the option on the table a bit longer as well, particularly since they had the option of taking West Virginia this year. Had this been Year Four of the deal, the Champs Sports would have taken us. But it was Year One.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:27 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:This one has potential to be interesting.

What does this even mean? Either it's an interesting match-up or it isn't. If you're referring to the game itself, I suppose it has the "potential" to be interesting, much in the same way any other bowl games does.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:38 pm

Mikey wrote:And in Florida there's a definite geographical disadvantage.

Not sure it'll be much different from the regular season. Stanford playing in Miami will nearly be the equivalent of playing a home game, as far as fan support goes.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:41 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:This one has potential to be interesting.
What does this even mean? Either it's an interesting match-up or it isn't. If you're referring to the game itself, I suppose it has the "potential" to be interesting, much in the same way any other bowl games does.

This was one of the most intense rivalries in college football for a time, albeit very short-lived by most rivalry perspectives. It was a long-term matchup for awhile, but never really developed into "rivalry" status until Miami developed into a power in the 80's. I was a student at ND when this one heated up, so of course this pairing has my attention, moreso than would, say, a ND-Maryland or ND-North Carolina State matchup.

Adding to all of that is the fact that this will be the first matchup between these programs in 20 years.

Of couse, any bowl game can make for interesting play. Or not. It feels good, for a change, to be the team with the settled coaching situation coming into the game.

Miami is a much better team with Jacoury (sp?) Harris than without him. Personally, I'd like to see him play for that reason.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:55 pm

I get the history. Like I said, either it's interesting or it isn't. Don't know where all this "potential" comes into play unless Jimmy Johnson and Lou Holtz plan on calling plays from the sidelines.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:26 pm

Mikey wrote:Stanford got screwed.

If it weren’t for the fucked up computer rankings, Stanford would have finished 5th in the BCS, and they would have been on the outside looking in. You're lucky they're going where they are. At the same time I would have preferred to get Stanford in the Rose Bowl over TCU.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:31 pm

i think Stanford-Va Tech is a pretty interesting game. Despite having an excellent season, Stanford needs to take the next step. Va Tech and Beamer have something to prove (post Boise, JMU) and they've "been there" before. to be the man, you got to beat the man.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:16 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:plus the things I've heard about the place.

It's not that bad. Obviously you don't want to cross the border now. It was pretty bad in Juarez in 2007, so I can't imagine it now.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:02 pm

TheJON wrote:I wouldn't wish a trip to El Paso on anyone...

Can't disagree with Jon on this one. El Paso is a complete shithole.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:07 pm

King Crimson wrote:to be the man, you got to beat the man.

"And today, in Nashville, Tennessee, pal. I'M...THE...MAN."

FLW Buckeye · Post by **FLW Buckeye** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:16 pm

L45B wrote:
TheJON wrote:I wouldn't wish a trip to El Paso on anyone...
Can't disagree with Jon on this one. El Paso is a complete shithole.

3rd. In 2003, I was a student at the Army's Sergeant Major Academy there at Ft Bliss. Only thing that El Paso had going in its favor was easy access to Mexico. Unfortunately, active duty personnel were banned from going. Last I heard, they still are due to the drugs/kidnapping/murder issues there.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:31 pm

I'll always have serious problems with a team for which a specific rule in the BCS "rules" has been written....

fuck Notre Dame and the 4-Horsemen of the Apocolypse they rode in on.....

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:40 pm

Felix wrote:I'll always have serious problems with a team for which a specific rule in the BCS "rules" has been written....

fuck Notre Dame and the 4-Horsemen of the Apocolypse they rode in on.....

The "Notre Dame" rule is a rule for independents. Notre Dame is just the most high profile of that small group. Next year, the Notre Dame rules apply to BYU as well.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:02 pm

Killian wrote: The "Notre Dame" rule is a rule for independents. Notre Dame is just the most high profile of that small group. Next year, the Notre Dame rules apply to BYU as well.

so they should rewrite it to reflect "independants" rather than specifying "Notre Dame" now that there are 2 independant teams

sorry, I just don't like Notre Dame

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:06 pm

You know what, I take that back. I don't think any independent would get an automatic bid if they were ranked in the top 8, although I could be wrong.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:10 pm

L45B wrote:
TheJON wrote:I wouldn't wish a trip to El Paso on anyone...
Can't disagree with Jon on this one. El Paso is a complete shithole.

Yep. Went to the Sun Bowl with my dad back in 1995 against Washington. The stadium was brutal and the town smelled like balls and there was nothing to do. I think every Iowa fan we talked to down there complained about how bad it sucked. That tells you how bad El Paso is if Iowans are bitching about it.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:50 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:
King Crimson wrote:to be the man, you got to beat the man.

"And today, in Nashville, Tennessee, pal. I'M...THE...MAN."

Now way the Sun Bowl will top the match that followed that interview.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:26 am

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:30 am

TheJON wrote:...the town smelled like balls...

figured you would've moved there straight away once you turned 18.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:33 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Not that it's any of my concern, Screw, but perhaps you should change your nic to Screw_ND. Your anti-ND posts outnumber your anti-Michigan posts by a considerable margin.

......

I'm sure Miami fan will show up in droves for this one......
I'm guessing you're joking here. While Miami fan travelled reasonably well in that program's heyday, that's no longer the case. Most of the folks who descend on El Paso for this one will be ND fans.

ohhh, a burrrrn followed by an explanation to counter an obviously sarcastic statement. do you eat wood for breakfast?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:25 am

Mikey wrote:

bwa!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:35 am

TheJON wrote:Went to the Sun Bowl with my dad back in 1995 against Washington. The stadium was brutal and the town smelled like balls and there was nothing to do.

this is too easy

So Jon, if memory serves, you'd a been about 15 at the time. And your most vivid memory is the musky scent of sweaty balls, of which you have since become well acquainted. Or were you already familiar with that smell?

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:25 am

I doubt that even at 15, Jon caught a whiff of sweaty balls and felt like he had nothing to do.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:45 am

R-Jack wrote:I doubt that even at 15, Jon caught a whiff of sweaty balls and felt like he had nothing to do.

Thank you, R-Jack.....

Wags had an attempt at humor and he failed, but you cleaned it up nicely for him. Very solid rebound, sir.

Hey Wags....

M Club already played that card. The difference was his was funny. Take notes.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:07 am

Felix wrote:I'll always have serious problems with a team for which a specific rule in the BCS "rules" has been written....

fuck Notre Dame and the 4-Horsemen of the Apocolypse they rode in on.....

Umm, you do know that there is also a specific rule for teams from conferences that do not have an automatic bid, right? And you also know that within the next few years, both Utah and TCU are moving to conferences with automatic BCS bids? And that BYU is becoming independent?

So, realistically speaking, who's left for that rule to apply to?

And you also realize that that rule is actually more lenient than is the rule in place for ND, right?

The hypocrisy behind this comment is breathtaking. I would've thought you were intelligent enough to realize that.....