Jesus Christ - the True Prophet, Priest, and King

[poptart]

yeah, believing in a mystical all powerful unseen entity that controls everything makes a lot more sense.....and given the fact that people about 2 weeks ahead of the stone age said it, well it must be true

I'm not sure why you persist with this take, Felix.

I pointed out Paul (and there are other "high caliber" people) as an author of many books of the Bible.

you know what outrages me? that your "god" apparently sat by for over 90,000 years and watched as the human struggled to get a foothold on this earth, and then about 2,000 years ago, he decided it was time for a divine intervention.....now that's fucking outrageous...

I don't believe that's what has happened.

[mvscal]

Paul wrote large portions of the New Testament.
He was a HIGHLY educated elite of his time.

1st century Pharisees could hardly be called elite in any way, shape or form. Paul had a solid middle class upbringing and education and, as a minor bureaucratic functionary at the Temple, he had first hand experience with religious puppet shows.

He was actually a far more capable, energetic and interesting individual than Jesus ever could have hoped to be. Jesus was never anything more than a prop. Christianity would have been just another tedious splinter sect of Judaism that would have quickly faded and been promptly forgotten without Paul's efforts.

[Felix]

I don't believe that's what has happened.

well, you might not "believe" that's what happened, but scientific research and discovery tells us that's exactly what happened, if you buy into the whole "god came down to earth" concept....science can pretty well document that the earliest female can be traced back about 100,000 years to the african plains....

if you'd like, I can hook you up with a whole bunch of links that can pretty much map out how we (as humans) got here.....mapping the human genome was really the key to being able to trace where we came from....and believe me, that information is a lot more interesting than the story that some magical all knowing all seeing "god" snapped us into existence

but of course, you don't want to know any of that, because you've already found the "truth"....

[poptart]

Felix, I didn't agree with this:

you know what outrages me? that your "god" apparently sat by for over 90,000 years and watched as the human struggled to get a foothold on this earth, and then about 2,000 years ago, he decided it was time for a divine intervention.....now that's fucking outrageous...

The Bible tells us that God was with man from the very beginning.

I don't believe that He sat around for any length of time (1 year, 90,000 years, or whatever it is) and let man flounder.

[Felix]

I don't believe that He sat around for any length of time (1 year, 90,000 years, or whatever it is) and let man flounder.

really, with a life span of about 20 years for the earliest humans, stuggling to simply stay alive, god was right there with them? man, that dude is even a bigger prick than I originally thought…

so how do you resolve what we know from scientific discovery, from what is written in your holy book? you know, the whole Adam and Eve fairy tale, with talking snakes, bad apples, the first recorded murder, etc.? and no copping out with the “that was old testament” horseshit, because one of the primary tenants of christianity (the ten commandments), comes from the old testament…

[poptart]

Felix, I LOVE the Old Testament and it is every bit as important as the New Testament.

I'm not sure what you want me to resolve.

But since you made a couple of statements, I will answer those directly.

I don't believe the first man had a life span of 20 years.
If you do, that's fine.

The serpent was in the Garden of Eden, not the snake.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,
and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

It's not said that Adam and Eve at an apple.
It was fruit of some kind - Genesis 3:6.

[Dinsdale]

So, Tart...

If you had a son that was stubborn and rebellious, and was profligate and a drunkard...

You'd take him to be stoned to death?

YES OR NO?


Save your usual horseshit excuses/explainations, it's a YES OR NO question.


Or... are you going to continue talking out of both sides of your mouth?

[Dinsdale]

I don't believe that He sat around for any length of time (1 year, 90,000 years, or whatever it is) and let man flounder.

If you believe in your literal horseshit, that's EXACTLY what happened.


How bad must it suck to have your entire belief system PROVEN to be a farce? Throw out all the Popisms you like, but it's PROVEN.

[Dinsdale]

I'm not sure what you want me to resolve.

Your endorsement of the absolute amoral abomination know as slavery, which hundreds of thousands of Americans died to stop.


I guess America isn't a "christian nation" after all, eh?


I'd say You Folk "want it both ways," except it's more like 43 different ways.

[poptart]

- My answer to your question is NO, Dins, I would not take him to be stoned.

- The Bible literally says that God was with man from the very beginning.

- I don't endorse slavery.

[Felix]

Felix, I LOVE the Old Testament and it is every bit as important as the New Testament.

gods blood lust was much more pronounced in the old testament, no doubt...I mean who could forget the entire civilizations that were wiped out with gods blessings...and the cultures who's men, children, and women (except for the virgins, which were kept by the Israelites) were slaughtered mercilessly in the name of your god....the atrocities committed by or in the name of the lord are astonishing, and how people like you can seemingly turn a blind eye to it never ceases to amaze me, all with full endorsement of your god...

2 Kings 2:23-24: And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them

so some kids were making fun of a guy for being bald and god thought it was just to send bears down to kill them?!?!?! wtf

what kind of "loving creator" kills at random and seemingly derives pleasure from it....

religious people are capable of unleashing the most evil kinds of behavior when they believe they have god on their side...

[Dinsdale]

- My answer to your question is NO, Dins, I would not take him to be stoned.

So, the Bible is only "literal" when it suits you. Man, what a tremendous :SHOCKER: that is.

- The Bible literally says that God was with man from the very beginning.

Just hung him out to dry and dropped huge meteors on him and froze the earth a few times for the first 100,000 years. OK.

- I don't endorse slavery.

Why do you hate the Bible? I thought You People were supposed to follow its word?


Yeah, I know -- this is where you do what you do best - make excuses why you pick-and-choose.

[poptart]

So, the Bible is only "literal" when it suits you. Man, what a tremendous :SHOCKER: that is.

Dinsdale, this is not a literal issue at all.

The issue is that there is a very fundamental point of understanding of the Bible which you must not be aware of.

That point is this: When Christ came, died on the cross and resurrected, everything was finished IN HIM.

That includes the Law which God had given to the Israelites - part of which you cited.

Christians are not called to obey the Law which God gave to the Israelites.
We are simply called to have faith in Christ, who finished everything.

You can read for yourself.

Romans 10:1-4, 9
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Paul, writing in Romans, is lamenting over the Jews (of which he is one) - who think they can have righteousness and salvation by following the Law.
But Christ is the CONCLUSION of the Law and a man's righteousness and salvation is only found when he places his faith in Him.

The law was given for a time, and for a purpose -----> to ultimately bring people to Christ.

[Felix]

The issue is that there is a very fundamental point of understanding of the Bible which you must not be aware of.

there's a fundamental point of hypocrisy your book espouses, but you seem to be painfully unaware of

it's called infinite punishment for for a finite "crime"

[poptart]

Felix, I'll reply (as briefly as possible, in what could be a LONG reply) to what you've posted about 2 Kings 2:23-24.

It's a little ironic that in this thread - about the three titles of Christ - Prophet, Priest, and King, you would post about one of the Old Testament Prophets.

Elisha was a very important Prophet, chosen by God as THE Prophet to bring the Israelites out of idolatry and back to Him.
When a Prophet spoke, his Words were God's Words, and a Prophet directed people to meet God
In a certain sense (sorta, kinda), the Prophet Elisha was God Himself walking on earth.

In 2 Kings, we see that the previous Prophet, Elijah, died and went to meet God - and passed the mantle to Elisha, who would have the charge of leading the Israelites back to God.

Many english traslations say "kids" or "children" when talking about the youth who confronted Elisha, but know that the translated word is also applied elsewhere in Scripture in describing people upward of 30 years old.
So perhaps youth? might be a better word?
At any rate, 42 of them got killed - and it does not say how many total were there.
It was a large throng of bad actors and it is my assumption that Elisha felt threatened by the group.

Why were they bad actors?

This again, is THE man who is leading Israel back to God - God's embassador, or in a sense, God Himself - and these people were telling him to "go up, go up."
If you read 2 Kings you know what that means.
Go up, as Elijah did.
Or DIE.
DIE, baldy!
Were they going to kill him - this LARGE group of bad acting anti-God "youth?"
Maybe.
Or maybe they were just telling him to "Fuck off and die, God man!!"

Are you going to tell God that?

"Bald head," btw, was, for that time, a hugely insulting, degrading term.

"We hate God.
Fuck off and die, God man."
Or maybe, "We're going to KILL you, God man!"


Guess that didn't work out very well for them.

[poptart]

there's a fundamental point of hypocrisy your book espouses, but you seem to be painfully unaware of

it's called infinite punishment for for a finite "crime"

My Book says that man is not a finite being.
We are created in God's image (God is spirit - John 4:24).
Man, like God, is an eternal being.

The "crime" we commit is moved by our spirit.
Therefore the consequences of our "crime" is rightfully infinite in nature.

[Felix]

My Book says that man is not a finite being.

can you think for yourself or has your fucking brain turned to mush....you're like a programmed robot, receive question, hit F6 and cite some scripture

kill, rape, pillage, plunder....all okay if one only believe that some dude is the son of god?

your beliefs are morally fucking bankrupt and the pity of you (and all those of your ilk) is that you're fucking blind to it

[poptart]

can you think for yourself or has your fucking brain turned to mush....you're like a programmed robot, receive question, hit F6 and cite some scripture

This is a theology forum.

If it were a philosophy forum, maybe I'd go rogue a bit more. haha

But nevertheless, I think you're somehow hyper-sensitive to me using Scripture in answering you, because right in with the Scripture I post is plenty of my own elaboration.

[Felix]

This is a theology forum.

praise be to the flying spaghetti monster,
I've become a practicing pastafarian