The Jets be trippin...

[ChargerMike]

Yea, it can be interesting. In some cases it can even be interesting enough to make up for the fact that the players in the college game are nowhere near the caliber of player that you see in the NFL.

..translation..they control the roids a bit tighter in college.

[War Wagon]

Somebody be sure and let me know if I missed anything.

Ok.

The Redskins fight song, The Steelers Here We Go chant, the Chiefs fans IKYABWAI chant. Are these not traditions?

made me laugh.

[Goober McTuber]

Somebody be sure and let me know if I missed anything.

Ok.

The Redskins fight song, The Steelers Here We Go chant, the Chiefs fans IKYABWAI chant. Are these not traditions?

made me laugh.

Thanks, Wags. I needed someone from the Grain Belt to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[Dinsdale]

Somebody be sure and let me know if I missed anything.

Ok.

The Redskins fight song, The Steelers Here We Go chant, the Chiefs fans IKYABWAI chant. Are these not traditions?

made me laugh.

Laughed on multiple levels.

NFL-over-CFB fan can make a huge number of arguments for "superiority"...


Arguing the "tradition" one isn't "arguing," it's laying down a beatdown on one's own ass in epic fashion.

[Screw_Michigan]

Rack BSMack.

[mvscal]

But I will say -- some down on its luck team is going to try to run the spread-option in the NFL... with very little chance of success... but you never know. Defensive ends are a little too fast in the pros, and QBs are too slow. You'd definitely have to build a team around the concept, which leaves you in a world of shit if it doesn't work.

I doubt it. The elements of the spread that work in the NFL have already been integrated for many years going back to the run and shoot if not earlier. I don't think a zone read type QB would last long in the NFL. The defenses are too good at disguising their intentions and the players are bigger and faster resulting in more violent collisions.

NFL QB's make their money in the pocket and that isn't likely to change any time soon. Even when you look at Vick the most remarkable thing about his comeback is the fact that he is reading defenses and making accurate throws downfield from the pocket.

It might for work a gadget play or package here and there if a team has the right personnel but I don't believe that it's anything you would build for or around.

[Screw_Michigan]

Dumbass Mgo comparing apples to oranges in football to basketball. I have now seen it all.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

The logic is apples to apples, you stupid douche.

[BSmack]

In some cases it can even be interesting enough to make up for the fact that the players in the college game are nowhere near the caliber of player that you see in the NFL.

There's no doubt about it. But, that's just not an issue for college fans. Wake me when the NBA playoffs are more interesting than March Madness because the "caliber of player" is better.

What makes March Madness more compelling is the one and done format that allows for the potential of an upset at any given time. It makes for fantastic theater. It doesn't make the product college football puts on the field better than the NFL.

Tell me you knew?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

What makes March Madness more compelling...

So there's more to it than just "caliber of player?"

I agree.

[Dinsdale]

But I will say -- some down on its luck team is going to try to run the spread-option in the NFL... with very little chance of success... but you never know. Defensive ends are a little too fast in the pros, and QBs are too slow. You'd definitely have to build a team around the concept, which leaves you in a world of shit if it doesn't work.

I doubt it. The elements of the spread that work in the NFL have already been integrated for many years going back to the run and shoot if not earlier.

Not a condemnation, since you're firmly in the majority, but I don't think you understand the "spread."

Absolutely nothing has been incorporated in the NFL from the spread. Running the spread at any level, or incorporating it into anything requires...

lining up in the spread. No NFL team does that on ANY play, ever.

If you want as great an example of a spread as you'll ever see, just tune in on January 10th -- look at how Oregon lines up. You'll see offensive lineman with many feet of room in between them. It isolates blockers and pass rushers into one-on-one matchups, and it depends on the QB/RB being able to outrun the passrushers. In the NFL, every freaking DE runs a sub-5 40, and just about every superstar passrusher can run down a QB who hesitates so much as a half-second in the backfield.


But NOTHING in the NFL even vaguely resembles a spread, much less a spread-option.


Although, maybe Oregon's unique version of the spread-option could be adapted -- although leaving a single passrusher completely unblocked in the NFL seems like suicide -- and you don't have 12 QBs on an NFL roster like you do on a CFB team.

[Dinsdale]

What makes March Madness more compelling is the one and done format that allows for the potential of an upset at any given time. It makes for fantastic theater.

Substitute "BCS" or "12 game playoff" for "March Madness," then STFU after your hypocritical douching.

[BSmack]

What makes March Madness more compelling...

So there's more to it than just "caliber of player?"

I agree.

I should add that most people watching March Madness don't know shit about basketball. So you've got that going for you as well.

[BSmack]

What makes March Madness more compelling is the one and done format that allows for the potential of an upset at any given time. It makes for fantastic theater.

Substitute "BCS" or "12 game playoff" for "March Madness," then STFU after your hypocritical douching.

As if college football would ever decide a champion ON THE FIELD.

[Dinsdale]

As if college football would ever decide a champion ON THE FIELD.

That's EXACTLY what they do.

And some POS team in some shitass division can't go 9-7, make a trade or get hot/healthy at just the right time, and win the freaking championship as some scabdick wildcard winning the big prize after a slightly-above-average regular season.

[BSmack]

As if college football would ever decide a champion ON THE FIELD.

That's EXACTLY what they do.

No they don't.

Seriously, are you trying to look like a fucking retard? Even CFB cans are prone to calling it the MNC with the M standing for MYTHICAL. You know, as in NOT REAL.

[Dinsdale]

The two teams that completely dominated for 12-13 games are in the BCS championship.


The odds of the NFL cash-grab being able to say the same are very slim, at best.

[War Wagon]

As are the odds of any NFL team, much less 2, going undefeated during any given year.

And did BCSBSH just call the NFL a cash grab?

[Dinsdale]

As are the odds of any NFL team, much less 2, going undefeated during any given year.

There's 120 D1 teams. You can sit around and bitch about how TCU didn't get into the Trinket Bowl, or you can sit around and bitch about how the #9 team TOTALLY would have won the championship, if they wouldn't have gotten screwed.

Same freaking game, just a different number by the outsider's name.

And did BCSBSH just call the NFL a cash grab?

CFBBSH apparently has something NFLBSH doesn't -- the ability to call a spade a spade.

But go ahead and justify the NFL sending the Rams or Seahawks getting into their puritanical, obviously not-for-cash systemthat sends Lambs to the slaughter.

But wait -- you can shit the bed multiple times in the NFL and still go deep into their flawed system of cash-grabbing.

[BSmack]

The two teams that completely dominated for 12-13 games are in the BCS championship.

And yet there is an undefeated team sitting on the sidelines. That is not a championship game, it is a glorified exhibition.

[War Wagon]

You can sit around and bitch about how TCU didn't get into the Trinket Bowl.

Who's bitching?

Last I checked, none of us NFL honks dropped into the CFB forum to take a shit on their MNC game, or any aspect of CFB whatsoever.

But go ahead and justify the NFL sending the Rams or Seahawks getting into their puritanical, obviously not-for-cash systemthat sends Lambs to the slaughter.

But wait -- you can shit the bed multiple times in the NFL and still go deep into their flawed system of cash-grabbing.

You mean like how a 3 loss South Carolina team won their shit division and got the chance to play for a BCS bowl in the SEC championship game? Or how a 4 loss UConn team that won the Big Least gets a BCS bowl, while a 2 loss team like Missouri gets crumbs? That kind of a flawed cash grab system?

Them's the breaks, I guess. I didn't make the rules.

[mvscal]

Not a condemnation, since you're firmly in the majority, but I don't think you understand the "spread."

Oh, I understand it quite well.

You'll see offensive lineman with many feet of room in between them. It isolates blockers and pass rushers into one-on-one matchups, and it depends on the QB/RB being able to outrun the passrushers.

But NOTHING in the NFL even vaguely resembles a spread, much less a spread-option.

You are a laughable tard. The spread offense is not predicated on the stance of the offensive linemen. You have to be a special kind of stupid or have ridiculously talented O linemen to deliberately isolate them one on one with pass rushers.

In any event, the spread offense is predicated on what it does to the linebackers and secondary in coverage against 3 and 4 receiver sets not what it does to the D line.

[indyfrisco]

Anyone else here who does not like a "last word" debate like BSmack and Dins can provide?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Last I checked, none of us NFL honks dropped into the CFB forum to take a shit on their MNC game, or any aspect of CFB whatsoever.

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... &hilit=nfl

[War Wagon]

that was a good thread, 'tart really trolled you CFB bitches hard.

Where's the :facepalm: emoticon?

No worries, this is the most action the NFL forum has seen since the tuck rule.

[Dinsdale]

You are a laughable tard. The spread offense is not predicated on the stance of the offensive linemen. You have to be a special kind of stupid or have ridiculously talented O linemen to deliberately isolate them one on one with pass rushers.

National Championship and #1 offense sayswhat?

In any event, the spread offense is predicated on what it does to the linebackers and secondary in coverage against 3 and 4 receiver sets not what it does to the D line.

PSSSST!

There's a reason they call it "the spread," believe it or not.

Because you spread the formation (at least in the modern version of the spread). Spread formation, then when the ball is snapped, spread out side-to-side... which is where the holes in the LBs and safeties come into play.

It all starts with spreading the formation, then spreading things out further after the ball is snapped. Often, there's lots of long routes after the initial spreading -- which might work in the NFL. The "new-modern spread," the spread-option, which kinda sorta turns every play into a triple-option, probably has no chance in the pros, which was my point. Deadly in CFB though.

[poptart]

that was a good thread, 'tart really trolled you CFB bitches hard.

If you tune into an NFL game you know:

1. Exactly how players were acquired
2. Exactly what the terms of their compensation are
3. That the players don't have to pass any classes (be LEGIT students) to stay eligible to compete

The whole landscape is upfront (mostly) and out in the open.

It IS what it IS.

Not so with D-1 "intercollegiate" :winky: football.

If you tune in to (pick a game) - Clemson v. South Carolina - you really can't be sure of what you are watching - in terms of 1, 2, and 3 above.

The entire landscape of D-1 "intercollegiate" :winky: college ball is murky at best.

That's why, for me, it is an entirely unwatchable JOKE.

In that thread, M Club in particular CONTINUALLY attempted to attribute takes to me which I did not give - as well as CONTINUALLY failing to answer very direct questions put to him.

That's why the thread went off on so many different tangents, but my points were very simple from the beginning.

Many of Sam's points as to why college ball is better are valid and I agree with them, IF you just want to bury your head in the sand and ignore that they whole landscape is clouded (at best).

Almost all D-1 college football fans choose to bury their head.

And they tend to get very hyper-defensive when these obvious points are made.

I find that funny.

[Screw_Michigan]

It is easy to keep ticket prices down when you don't cut the players in on any of the profits.

Who cares what the cause and effect is? Are the tickets cheaper for the consumer or not?

Who cares if your shoes are made in Vietnamese sweatshops? Are they cheaper for the consumer or not?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Yes, because D1 football players on scholarship are in the same boat as sweatshop laborers.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

And they tend to get very hyper-defensive when these obvious points are made.

This is funny. If I'm not mistaken it was YOU who came into the cfb forum, talking down and preaching all the ills of the sport. Then your little ankle-bitin' lap dog, War Wagon, joined your side.... while sporting his Mizzou avatar and "Tiger country" locale. LOL.

Nobody opened a pulpit and invited you for a debate. You charged in guns a blazin'. And you expected the reaction to be what, exactly?

Crickets?

Get the fukk outta here.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't bury my head in the sand over cfb's issues. I tolerate them, I don't ignore them, because even in its worst state, cfb is still my favorite sport. Nothing is pure and righteous. At least for every Cam Newton there are hundreds of players truly playing for the love and experience, since the vast, vast majority of them will not play professionally.

[War Wagon]

ankle biting lapdog?

I had to read the first page of that thread again to see where you pulled that card from. Nope, didn't see that. I dropped in there to smack some moron (that'd be you, Magoo) for making a retarded comment about the NFL.

I guess it hurt your feelings.

And in now looking back on that thread, I didn't see the eventual winners name in there, at least on page 1, so that does kinda' show the futility of posting a Heismann thread in June.

But you boys can have at it. You have nothing really worth talking about in June and need some filler material to keep you on your 24/7/365 CFB game. I know it also makes Indy's heart go all aflutter when he can compare the post totals of each forum, so that's nice as well.

ankle biting lapdog, indeed.

btw... if he doesn't go pro, I predict Blaine Gabbert will be a Heismann finalist next year. :P

[poptart]

Nobody opened a pulpit and invited you for a debate. You charged in guns a blazin'. And you expected the reaction to be what, exactly?

Crickets?

I didn't start the thread about pre-season Heisman candidates.
I just came in to the thread and gave my view on that - basically saying that the routine practice of identifying Heisman candidates before any games have even been played is utterly absurd.

M Club responded to my take by saying, "That's how the machine rolls these days. There ARE Heisman candidates now."

I said that it is idiotic and then decided to give my takes on why D-1 ball is a complete farce.

The reaction I got was expected, fully expected.

College ball fan wants to get his Saturday game viewing jones without having poptart's reality check rattling around his head.

I get it.

It might have been nice, however, if M Club had not decided to attribute MULTIPLE takes to me (which are not mine) and refuse to answer direct questions put to him.

He flunked that thread badly.

At least for every Cam Newton there are hundreds of players truly playing for the love and experience, since the vast, vast majority of them will not play professionally.

Players being paid is just one issue.
The overwhelming majority are not paid, so yes, what you've said there is true.

But a BIGGER issue is the extremely high number of knuckledraggers who don't belong on a college campus being pushed through the system ... somehow.

I posted some SAT stats in that thread and it is not pretty.
D-1 college footabll players score GROSSLY lower on the SAT in comparison to the overall student population.

There are LOTS of college ball players who are complete acadmic feebs.
They wouldn't be able to cut the mustard even if they didn't have to devote 30+ hours a week of time and energy to a sport.

And now what chance of academic success do you think these knuckledraggers have considering the football commitement they must make?

As intercollegiate athletics, what is seen on Saturdays is a complete farce.

[Goober McTuber]

If you look objectively at the regular posters in the two forums, there’s no question that the average IQ skews higher in BTPCFB. No question whatsoever. The NFL forum is dominated by the brainless tards who follow AFC West teams.

[trev]

Goobs, or whoever are more than welcome to bring their takes in here. Since you seem to think you are "better."

[Goober McTuber]

Goobs, or whoever are more than welcome to bring their takes in here.

Thank you. That's what I just did.

[mvscal]

PSSSST!

There's a reason they call it "the spread," believe it or not.

You're right. And it doesn't have shit to do with the offensive line.

[poptart]

The fact that pro teams' rosters are full of overpaid migrant turds (DeSean Jackson, Alfred Haynesworth, Derek Anderson, and on and on) makes it hard to GARA about any team.

The fact that D-1 college rosters are loaded with academic zeros who obviously have no legitimate way to complete classwork in order to stay eligible for - intercollegiate athletics - makes it hard for anyone in their right mind to take the product seriously and GARA about it.

If you look objectively at the regular posters in the two forums, there’s no question that the average IQ skews higher in BTPCFB. No question whatsoever. The NFL forum is dominated by the brainless tards who follow AFC West teams.

Always a splendid idea for the forums biggest ankle-biting fuckwit to try to dish
out intelligence evaluations.

[Goober McTuber]

If you look objectively at the regular posters in the two forums, there’s no question that the average IQ skews higher in BTPCFB. No question whatsoever. The NFL forum is dominated by the brainless tards who follow AFC West teams.

Always a splendid idea for the forums biggest ankle-biting fuckwit to try to dish
out intelligence evaluations.

It just happens to be the truth. I have faith in that.

[Dinsdale]

PSSSST!

There's a reason they call it "the spread," believe it or not.

You're right. And it doesn't have shit to do with the offensive line.

In what is referred to as the "modern spread," it most certainly does.... it's kind of the fucking premise of it, in fact.

But if it were 1960, you'd have a valid point -- in 2010, you really don't. And since my point which brought up the topic of the spread in the NFL to begin with was based completely on the Modern Spread Option, you can stop trying to make your petty, outdated, and wrong point any time now.



But damn, this sure speaks to the "NFL vs. CFB" debate (not that there's really any "debate," beyond giving us a reason to call each other stupid fags) --


Looks like Sam and I are right on the money -- NFL honks wouldn't know an unusual/creative formation/strategy if it grabbed their junk in a scrum... which was kind of our point.[/speakingforSam]

[Mace]

PSSSST!

There's a reason they call it "the spread," believe it or not.

You're right. And it doesn't have shit to do with the offensive line.

Actually, you're both right...or half right.

The spread offense is designed to spread out the defense horizontally across the field, and includes wide splits for the offensive line and 3-5 receivers spread across the field to spread out the defense and open up vertical seams in the defense.

Personally, I don't think the NFL can compare to the college game in atmosphere, pageantry, tradition, tailgating, or level of excitement. I prefer the college game for all of the reasons listed by Ivan Maisel in Goober's post, but I am also a fan of watching the NFL on Sundays. I like them both because, as Sam said, "it's football". I just get more excited about the college game.....hell, I'm watching the Div II championship game right now and will watch the Div III championship later today, and I'd be watching them even if there were NFL games on FOX at the same times. That's just my personal preference.