Okay, Mizzou, here's the deal

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:31 pm

I just read a write-up in the Des Moines Register regarding the 1910 game between Iowa and Mizzou and found out why there have been no games scheduled since 1910 (except for the 4 game series scheduled for this decade that Pinkel backed out of). It seems that Missouri refused to allow a black Iowa player to participate in the 1910 game and, because of that, Iowa refused to schedule Mizzou for any future games.

So, I think it would be fair and appropriate for Mizzou to seek atonement for their racist stance of 1910 by benching all of their black players for the Insight Bowl. Such an act would demonstrate your willingness to seek forgiveness for your past racist attitudes and generally promote a good feeling between yourselves and your more enlightened (even in 1910) neighbors to the north. Just thought I'd throw that out before Iowa begins the serious ass kicking of your meth induced toothless Tigers on Dec 28.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:03 pm

How about if we just the bench the gay ones and call it even?

or better yet, you bench your drug dealers and we'll bench ours.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:07 pm

And we haven't done so recently because we were beefing with Illinois. Iowa is choosing to have their vaunted rivalry with Iowa St., the vomit backsplash of the Big 12, and we've been going with Illinois.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:13 pm

War Wagon wrote:How about if we just the bench the gay ones and call it even?

or better yet, you bench your drug dealers and we'll bench ours.

Would that leave you any players at all, Wags?

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:22 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:And we haven't done so recently because we were beefing with Illinois. Iowa is choosing to have their vaunted rivalry with Iowa St., the vomit backsplash of the Big 12, and we've been going with Illinois.

Pinkel backed out of a 4 game series that might possibly have got another border rivalry game for both schools. Yeah, Iowa plays ISU...BFD...they're an in-state rivalry game. So what's your point? You play a shitty Illini team every year and Iowa plays ISU. Why not resume the Iowa-Missouri series? The answer in the short term, in Pinkel's words, "I call that intelligent scheduling. We were building our program and it didn't make a lot of sense, to me, to play such a great program." I would have to agree with him that, at that time, it was better for Missouri to schedule some cupcakes to get the shitty program he inherited off the ground but, now, I don't think he can use that excuse. I think it would be a good rivalry series for both schools. Hell, the fans could share meth recipes in the stands, argue over whose sister is the best fuck, and the tailgating experience would be awesome with Mizzou fan showing off their family recipes for BBQ possum and Iowa fans with their fried hog nuts. Good time to be had by all.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:37 pm

Well, they are done with the Illini series now I believe. I'd all for an Iowa home and away as I don't think there could be a neutral site. As for swapping meth recipes, pretty sure Missouri has bode on meth labs per capita... hell, there are probably more in a 5 square mile area of Methdependence than all of Iowa combined.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:48 pm

War Wagon wrote:Well, they are done with the Illini series now I believe. I'd all for an Iowa home and away as I don't think there could be a neutral site. As for swapping meth recipes, pretty sure Missouri has bode on meth labs per capita... hell, there are probably more in a 5 square mile area of Methdependence than all of Iowa combined.

Bode, Mizzou...I guess. :)

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:43 pm

Mace wrote:
Bizzarofelice wrote:And we haven't done so recently because we were beefing with Illinois. Iowa is choosing to have their vaunted rivalry with Iowa St., the vomit backsplash of the Big 12, and we've been going with Illinois.
Pinkel backed out of a 4 game series that might possibly have got another border rivalry game for both schools. Yeah, Iowa plays ISU...BFD...they're an in-state rivalry game. So what's your point? You play a shitty Illini team every year and Iowa plays ISU. Why not resume the Iowa-Missouri series? The answer in the short term, in Pinkel's words, "I call that intelligent scheduling. We were building our program and it didn't make a lot of sense, to me, to play such a great program." I would have to agree with him that, at that time, it was better for Missouri to schedule some cupcakes to get the shitty program he inherited off the ground but, now, I don't think he can use that excuse. I think it would be a good rivalry series for both schools. Hell, the fans could share meth recipes in the stands, argue over whose sister is the best fuck, and the tailgating experience would be awesome with Mizzou fan showing off their family recipes for BBQ possum and Iowa fans with their fried hog nuts. Good time to be had by all.

I would have repsonded earlier, but just saw that the local boy Bryant Allen of the Gophers is transferring closer to home. Was he memorable for Minnesota? I can't recall if Mizzou offered him anything, but he led the district I'm in to a couple state titles. I think he went to Minn so he could play football and basketball.

I'm sure you understand the logic behind Pinkel's decision. Maybe you're homering and trying to stir the pot, but I'm sure you understand. Every team has their allot(t)ment of cupcakes before they start conference play. Mizzou played McNeese and Miami OH and Iowa played Eastern Illinois and Ball State. Is iowa going to get rid of the Ball St game to play what is quite possibly a loss against Mizzou? Ohio St ain't going to give up one of their cupcakes. Mich St. ain't gonna give up one of their cupcakes. Is Iowa the baddest team in America? Mizzou's strength of schedule is top ten. It ain't like Mizzou is running from tough customers.

As for the choice of Illinois over Iowa; there is a big city that borders these two states. There is a lot of tension here in St. Louis between fans of the two programs. Much more than there is between Mizzou and some Big 12 teams. And prior to the football matchup being renewed, Mizzou and the Illini have been beating on one another in basketball for decades. The basketball game is my favorite day of the year. My loser alumni friends will be rolling 30 deep Wednesday night to a bar to watch this fucking game. The football programs were cashing in on that existing tension... and it has worked well.

There's a similar situation in Kansas City fueling the Mizzou/Kansas rivalry. That and the fact that a bunch of rednecks from Missouri burned Lawrence to the ground, but that rivalry is huge. But Iowa/Mizzou has pastoral countryside between one another. No animosity up there. Not much clamor for a fight. Mind you I am in St. Louis and don't know exactly what is going on up there, but I would believe the only clamor up on the Missouri/Iowa border is for corn subsidies. I know the kind of people up there. They are subdued to the max. There could be a cattle stampede and all the grain silos could be infected with AIDS and they'd be even-tempered and measured in their reaction to it.

As for the racism, don't surprise me. Trash from southern Missouri does a good job holding back the rest of the state. There's a reason the biggest cities are on the edges of the state; its a rush of people trying to get away from the freaks.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:08 pm

I'm sure you understand the logic behind Pinkel's decision. Maybe you're homering and trying to stir the pot, but I'm sure you understand. Every team has their allot(t)ment of cupcakes before they start conference play. Mizzou played McNeese and Miami OH and Iowa played Eastern Illinois and Ball State. Is iowa going to get rid of the Ball St game to play what is quite possibly a loss against Mizzou? Ohio St ain't going to give up one of their cupcakes. Mich St. ain't gonna give up one of their cupcakes. Is Iowa the baddest team in America? Mizzou's strength of schedule is top ten. It ain't like Mizzou is running from tough customers.

No "homering" here....and I'm not sure where you saw anything that would bring you to that conclusion. Yes, I understand Pinkel's decision.....which is why I said that I agreed with the decision to cancel the contract with Iowa. I wish they hadn't but I understand why he felt the need to do it. Iowa has had Arizona in a home and home the past two years, we've got Pitt at home next year, and I see no reason why Iowa couldn't schedule one less cupcake and get Mizzou in a home and home. Of course I'm not the AD, but it would make far more sense than playing UNI, Eastern Illinois, or Central Michigan. The rivalry might not catch on immediately but I think, in time, it could develope into something special between the two states and schools.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:25 pm

I said "maybe". And considering 60% of the rap in this forum is homering, you can see why I threw it out as a possibility.

I'm sure the almuni and big donors to the program who would rather go to the Rose Bowl than the Insight Bowl would rather UNI be on the schedule than Missouri. Scheduling Ball State gets you closer to the Rose Bowl than Mizzou does.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:29 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:I said "maybe". And considering 60% of the rap in this forum is homering, you can see why I threw it out as a possibility.

I'm sure the almuni and big donors to the program who would rather go to the Rose Bowl than the Insight Bowl would rather UNI be on the schedule than Missouri. Scheduling Ball State gets you closer to the Rose Bowl than Mizzou does.

No, it doesn't. Beating Mizzou might get us a higher ranking but winning Big 10 conference games are what gets you closer to the Rose Bowl, not the OOC games.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:31 pm

Mace wrote:Beating Mizzou might get us a higher ranking

But what happens when you lose to them?

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:36 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:
Mace wrote:Beating Mizzou might get us a higher ranking

But what happens when you lose to them?

Iowa would drop in the rankings, as would Mizzou when they lose......none of which has one fucking thing to do with Iowa getting to the Rose Bowl...as you claimed previously....or with Mizzou getting to a conference title and a BCS bowl.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:42 pm

OOC games have nothing to do with a PAC or B10 team going to the Rose Bowl.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:54 pm

Unless it comes down to a tie breaker.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:58 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Unless it comes down to a tie breaker.

Not sure if the PAC has modified the tiebreaker to defer to the BCS standings, but I don't think so.

Round-robin schedule will do that for you. They do it entirely in-conference (or at least they always used to).

But that ends next season, with a CCG (which will likely be in Eugene).

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:21 pm

non-conference play is an issue. it gets you in the bcs games (rose bowl included). it is a factor in the championship game and a possible factor in the rose bowl. down the line, but a possible factor.

but that ain't important now.

oregon ain't gonna stop playing a couple of cupcakes per year. auburn aint gonna stop playing three cupcakes per year. for one team to turn their OOC games into tough battles would be detrimental to their BCS aspirations. real talk.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:52 pm

Not sure where to even begin.

Bizzarofelice wrote:non-conference play is an issue. it gets you in the bcs games (rose bowl included).

BCS ranking got TCU into the Rose Bowl... this once, and one time only, because the Rose agreed to some stupid shit on their way out of the old BCS contract.

Once. Won't happen again.

The Granddaddy is the PAC champ vs. the B10 champ (unless it loses a champ the the MNC game, then it defers to the #2).

Might wanna brush up on some reading before you clown yourself further -- the PAC doesn't give a shit if you drop all 3 OOC games. I guess the B10 uses BCS rankings as a tiebreaker, so you're almost kinda half right.

oregon ain't gonna stop playing a couple of cupcakes per year.

Huh?

Let's see, they scheduled a team that had won a few bowls in recent years, another team that had won bowls, and the SEC East champ (who had recently won a MNC).

One cancelled, two went into the tank.

But to suggest that Oregon was cupcaking it is just sheer ignorance.

Hmmm.... next year is LSU and 11-1 Nevada, with a funky open date due to the conference realignment (was supposed to finish up a H&H with Utah, which is now a conf. game, and I believe got canceled... and last I checked, Utah has a number next to their name at present).

Georgia just canceled, as well (scheduled after a SEC Championship appearance).

So, I guess your take is almost accurate, except it's about the exact fucking opposite of "accurate."

If you want to make cupcake jokes, you'd do well to leave the PAC schools out of it.

auburn aint gonna stop playing three cupcakes per year.

I wouldn't bet the rent on that... they might kick it up to 4.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:09 am

Dinsdale wrote:I guess the B10 uses BCS rankings as a tiebreaker, so you're almost kinda half right.

They do, but only revert to it if there's still a tie after head-to-head and overall record.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:14 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:I guess the B10 uses BCS rankings as a tiebreaker, so you're almost kinda half right.
They do, but only revert to it if there's still a tie after head-to-head and overall record.

And as with the PAC, it's a non-issue after this season.

And maybe if we stay at it, we can make Bace realize that outside of the 2010 season's one-shot deal, OOC has NOTHING to do with a Rose Bowl berth.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:16 am

You can still wind up with divisional ties. Didn't that happen with the Big 12 this year?

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:20 am

Dinsdale wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:I guess the B10 uses BCS rankings as a tiebreaker, so you're almost kinda half right.
They do, but only revert to it if there's still a tie after head-to-head and overall record.

And as with the PAC, it's a non-issue after this season.

And maybe if we stay at it, we can make Bace realize that outside of the 2010 season's one-shot deal, OOC has NOTHING to do with a Rose Bowl berth.

are you done throwing a tantrum, Dins? reread my post and see where I desecrated your precious Rose Bowl. Tell me where I was wrong? In fact, you seemed to overreact and then doin' a lot of backpeddling in your own post.

BACE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!!! Well, except in this one instance as he described in his post... BUT I'M MAD!!!

seriously, this mini-tantrum does not look well.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:24 am

The only way he is possibly correct is if there is a 3 way tie within a division to see who gets into the CCG and the overall record is used as the tie breaker....or the national ranking. It won't happen often, but it could happen. Regardless, I'd prefer seeing a legit OOC schedule if I'm buying season tickets, as opposed to seeing the likes of Tennessee Tech, Northern Iowa, or Lousiana-Monroe, and actually playing someone who will assist your SOS and boost your ranking with a win. That's just my personal preference. I think an Iowa-Missouri home and home would be beneficial to both teams when they win, and a loss wouldn't necessarily kill you in the rankings either. Win your conference games after the loss and you still get to the CCG and a chance for a BCS bowl. I'm just sick of cupcakes and refuse to buy a ticket to see them.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:31 am

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/s ... 04aad.html
where I got my info. but, as mentioned before, that ain't the point.

I'd much rather see a home and home with Iowa than with some far away school. Imagine the vitriol TCU is going to have to try and muster up against... uh... Syracuse. Regional rivalries are more fun.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:46 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:Tell me where I was wrong?

Bizzarofelice wrote:non-conference play is an issue. it gets you in the bcs games (rose bowl included).

Thought I made that pretty clear.

BTW -- seems like losing to BSU and a 1AA really killed VaTech's chances at a BCS Bowl, eh?

Matter of fact, why don't you go ahead and cite a team (besides TCU's freaky one-shot-deal) that was made or broken by their OOC in terms of a BCS Bowl?

Does the term "Automatic Qualifier" mean anything to you?

Toss aside the TCU bowl-buggery, and Stanford goes to the Rose... the same place they would have been had they dropped all 3 OOCs.

How did losing to Temple and UM æffect UConn's BCS berth?

If a team is in a non-AQ, then yes -- winning OOC games is of utmost importance.

For B10 and PAC teams, outside of 2010, they have no bearing on the Rose Bowl. OOCs have never counted for anything in the PAC. The tiebreaker is strictly in-conference, and since the extra game was added, it doesn't come into play.

OOC certainly æfects a team's ability to get to the Trinket Bowl, in a big way. With the tie-ins, it has little-to-no æffect on the others.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:47 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Bizzarofelice wrote:Tell me where I was wrong?

Bizzarofelice wrote:non-conference play is an issue. it gets you in the bcs games (rose bowl included).

Thought I made that pretty clear.

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/s ... 04aad.html

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:58 am

We could just end this by saying it is possible OOC record could determine Rose Bowl fate (in the event of a tie breaker) but chances are good that in most years it will have no impact at all.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:59 am

good. done. calm down, dins.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:12 am

Aside:

Just did some looking around into the PAC12 tiebreaker system...

and from what I can tell, they haven't come up with one yet.

Larry Scott must be too busy counting the money from the TV deal that isn't there yet to worry about trivial things like tiebreakers.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:31 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:calm down, dins.

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:10 am

Bizzarofelice wrote:And we haven't done so recently because we were beefing with Illinois. Iowa is choosing to have their vaunted rivalry with Iowa St., the vomit backsplash of the Big 12, and we've been going with Illinois.

What the hell is the difference between Illinois and Iowa State? Are you really proud that your "rivalry" is against a program that is SLIGHTLY less shitty than ours??? Except for 2001 and 2007, Iowa State has actually been better the past decade and they were equally shitty for the majority of the 1990's.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:16 am

calming down Dins does nothing to further the objectives of this forum. I don't want Dins to calm down, now or ever.

As for an Ioway rivalry, meh. Mizzou would be better served playing Arkansas. Now that would be a rivalry.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:19 am

War Wagon wrote:calming down Dins does nothing to further the objectives of this forum. I don't want Dins to calm down, now or ever.

I usually expect more from Bace than rote excerpts from How To Sound Smart For Dummies -- I think they cover "repeatedly tell your adversary to 'calm down,' to make it look like you got them riled up" in the first chapter.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:20 am

War Wagon wrote:Mizzou would be better served playing Arkansas. Now that would be a rivalry.

Would the same team winning 20 straight really make for much of a "rivalry"?

TheJON · Post by **TheJON** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:28 am

War Wagon wrote:calming down Dins does nothing to further the objectives of this forum. I don't want Dins to calm down, now or ever.

As for an Ioway rivalry, meh. Mizzou would be better served playing Arkansas. Now that would be a rivalry.

How would you be better served by playing Arkansas? Neither Iowa or Arkansas are great recruiting areas, so there really is no benefit for Missouri to play either on an annual basis.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:44 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
War Wagon wrote:Mizzou would be better served playing Arkansas. Now that would be a rivalry.

Would the same team winning 20 straight really make for much of a "rivalry"?

So watching your Ducks fall in double-overtime to the Beavs in Autzen back in '07 was a good thing? :?

I reckon it depends on who's doing all the winnin'. Beating Illinois six straight is sure as hell better than the alternative.

Twenty-straight over Kansas is what we west-siders would call "a good start".

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:50 pm

You ever find yourself trapped behind a car with Iowa tags on an Interstate, Bace?

That, in and of itself, is reason enough to want to kick their asses.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:06 pm

Mace wrote:...Iowa has had Arizona in a home and home the past two years, we've got Pitt at home next year, and I see no reason why Iowa couldn't schedule one less cupcake and get Mizzou in a home and home. Of course I'm not the AD, but it would make far more sense than playing UNI, Eastern Illinois, or Central Michigan. The rivalry might not catch on immediately but I think, in time, it could develope into something special between the two states and schools.

You and I as fans would relish it, Mace, but I'm afraid that you and I as coaches would probably feel a bit differently. With the advent of a nine-game conference schedule soon foisted upon the XII, I've gotta think that a steady diet of Directional State and Schools-Named-After-Towns to be the norm for the three games played in the non-con here on out. 'Fraid we're gonna hafta enjoy our li'l Border Disagreement for what it is: A once-in-a-hundred-year abberation.

Sucks, but three-loss schools generally don't play for conference championships, much less a BCS berth (unless your name is UCONN).

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:16 pm

Truman wrote:
Mace wrote:...Iowa has had Arizona in a home and home the past two years, we've got Pitt at home next year, and I see no reason why Iowa couldn't schedule one less cupcake and get Mizzou in a home and home. Of course I'm not the AD, but it would make far more sense than playing UNI, Eastern Illinois, or Central Michigan. The rivalry might not catch on immediately but I think, in time, it could develope into something special between the two states and schools.
You and I as fans would relish it, Mace, but I'm afraid that you and I as coaches would probably feel a bit differently. With the advent of a nine-game conference schedule soon foisted upon the XII, I've gotta think that a steady diet of Directional State and Schools-Named-After-Towns to be the norm for the three games played in the non-con here on out. 'Fraid we're gonna hafta enjoy our li'l Border Disagreement for what it is: A once-in-a-hundred-year abberation.

Sucks, but three-loss schools generally don't play for conference championships, much less a BCS berth (unless your name is UCONN).

don't forget schools that are a "State" with a place-name that isn't a state. I suspect you are right about future OOC scheduling in the Big 12 (minus 2). now everybody plays OU, Texas, ATM, OSU, MU etc. every year. for former Northers, no more one or the other with OU and Texas. it's both.

i like losing the divisions and will love the return to home-homes in hoops w/KU and MU.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:13 pm

King Crimson wrote:...I suspect you are right about future OOC scheduling in the Big 12 (minus 2). now everybody plays OU, Texas, ATM, OSU, MU etc. every year. for former Northers, no more one or the other with OU and Texas. it's both.

i like losing the divisions and will love the return to home-homes in hoops w/KU and MU.

Can't wait, KC. You can run in this League, but you can't hide.

Shit the bed at Lloyd Noble? All is not lost. Always a shot at redemption when the Sooners come trotting into Columbia.

Football-wise, my only complaint is that I hate the thought of our conference finishing up by Thanksgiving weekend. God forbid if the NCAA were to relax the rule book and allow the schools to schedule a 13th game without having to go to Hawaii or Ireland to play it....