When there are too many libs in a local government.

[Goober McTuber]

Tard fight, with marginal ubb skills to boot.

[Dinsdale]

Again, I'll ask the same question -- what "danger" is involved?

[smackaholic]

Tard fight, with marginal ubb skills to boot.

i would have to work on my ubb skills to get them up to marginal. i would rate them somewhere between non-existent and paltry.

so, where do you stand on the smoking ban thing? i know you are lib leaning, but don't strike me as being completely lockstep with the worst if the nanny state libtards.

[Moving Sale]

no shit, sherlock. i'm all for occupancy laws or other reasonable laws aimed at providing a practical level of safety. but, these laws have their limits. when these laws end up ruining a person's business, who started that business expecting that he would have certain conditions conducive to that business, it is gubmint's duty to compensate this individual for his loss. i would be a little more understanding of this law if the gubmint stated before enacting it, "OK, we are gonna ban smoking. this may have an adverse effect on your bidness, therefore we are willing to buy you out at the market rate today" it's kind of like with eminent(sic) domain. gubmint has the right to take private property in certain situations, but they have to pay market value for it. banning smoking in an establishment where they know the result will be a substantial reduction of bidness is akin to confiscating private property. how anyone doesn't see this is beyond me. i suspect you see my argument, but, being a good commie, you don't give two fukks about private property rights.

What you know about private property rights would fit on Dims pinhead. If you give people unlimited property rights no one have the right to protect their property. I know this is too complicated for you to understand but trust me it’s true.

And this is not a 5th Amendment Taking. Calling it one is the height of idiocy.

[Moving Sale]

Tard fight, with marginal ubb skills to boot.

Go fuck yourself you stupid old fuck.

[Goober McTuber]

so, where do you stand on the smoking ban thing?

Funny thing about that smoking ban here in Madison. Several years before it went into effect a couple of brothers who came from a family with a history of running successful bars and restaurants decided to open a big new sports bar on the east side. And it would be Madison’s first ever smoke-free bar.

They almost went under and after a couple of months they relented and allowed smoking. Now everybody’s smoke-free and they are doing fine.

I smoked for 29 years, quit in 1999. I’m not one of those virulent ex-smokers. Quite the contrary, I enjoy that whiff of smoke when a cigarette first gets lit. I have mixed feelings about the smoking ban. Yes, you can say that a proprietor should have the choice but the reality is that none of them would have the guts to go smoke-free, it’s a proven loser. But anyone who went out of business because of the smoking ban wasn’t much of a businessman to begin with.

Tough shit. Majority rules, and the majority no longer smoke. Go outside for 5 minutes and enjoy your cigarette.

[Dinsdale]

Yes, you can say that a proprietor should have the choice but the reality is that none of them would have the guts to go smoke-free, it’s a proven loser.

The McMennamins were always smoke free, from their onset (circa 1983) -- and they became easily the most successful chain of bars/pubs around these parts.

So much for that theory.

[Moving Sale]

Again, I'll ask the same question -- what "danger" is involved?

God gawd you're not going to go all junk science on me are you?

Let me change this up so we don't have to go down that road.

"Local and State Governments have the right to ban activities, that when done in public, are offensive to other members of the public."

Happy now you bloated vile disease ridden jackstool?

[smackaholic]

Yes, you can say that a proprietor should have the choice but the reality is that none of them would have the guts to go smoke-free, it’s a proven loser.

The McMennamins were always smoke free, from their onset (circa 1983) -- and they became easily the most successful chain of bars/pubs around these parts.

So much for that theory.

Imagine that. They recognized a market and successfully went after it. I'll bet they were actually pissed when the nanny state took away their marketing gimmick.

[Goober McTuber]

Yes, you can say that a proprietor should have the choice but the reality is that none of them would have the guts to go smoke-free, it’s a proven loser.

The McMennamins were always smoke free, from their onset (circa 1983) -- and they became easily the most successful chain of bars/pubs around these parts.

So much for that theory.

Yes, we know all about your Birkenstock-wearing, tree-hugging populace. You told us many times.

[smackaholic]

Yes, we know all about your Birkenstock-wearing, tree-hugging populace. You told us many times.

madisonite running libtard smack?

[Goober McTuber]

Yes, we know all about your Birkenstock-wearing, tree-hugging populace. You told us many times.

madisonite running libtard smack?

We haven't had a Birkenstock outlet here in years.

[Derron]

The McMennamins were always smoke free, from their onset (circa 1983) -- and they became easily the most successful chain of bars/pubs around these parts.

So much for that theory.

A business model that probably grosses the privately held company well over 20 million per year. Funny how that works, find a need, fill it and the people will come.

Great beer, so-so food, and horrible service..but packed every day and night.

[Dinsdale]

Great beer

Maybe back in the 80's, when they only made 5, plus an occasional seasonal. Now... not so much. Still like the Hammerhead, although whatever yeast they use, it doesn't die off during ferment, and can produce "wine-vat-gut."

so-so food

A pattern that has been repeated way too many times over the years -- eat anything besides french fries at McMennie's, and spend the night on the porcelean pony... without fail.

and horrible service

Sometimes you get lucky, and get the new employee who is still trying to impress someone.

but packed every day and night.

They do just fine. I haven't been to the big one out your way in quite a while, but they definitely pack them in.

I spent one wild night at the Grand Lodge a few years ago. Was just getting ready to sneak skank into the pool/hot tub thing they have, after hours, to do the Deed. Plan was going pretty well, except for the head injury she incurred while climbing over the locked gate.

[Derron]

and horrible service

Sometimes you get lucky, and get the new employee who is still trying to impress someone.

So a bunch of us are there for my daughters birthday. The Yardhouse at the Grand Lodge. We all order drinks. I order jack and water. 20 minutes later, the waiter faggot gets it there. 45 minutes later the food order gets there. OK....be late on the food, but make sure you keep the beer / booze flowing to the table. I order up another drink, and it never gets there before we leave.

I was prepared to knock back at least 3 of those Jack and waters, if the wait fag could have only got to the table, or seen me waving my glass saying " Hit me again PLEASE !"

No tip was left.

[War Wagon]

I smoked for 29 years, quit in 1999.

No wonder you've been such a grouchy assboil your entire tenure on these boards.

Do us all a favor and start again.

[Goober McTuber]

I smoked for 29 years, quit in 1999.

No wonder you've been such a grouchy assboil your entire tenure on these boards.

Do us all a favor and start again.

Grouchy? Me? What are you smoking?

[War Wagon]

Marlboro reds, and I was being kind.

[PSUFAN]

It's a regressive tax

It's a stupid tax. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy cigs.

[mvscal]

It's a stupid tax. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy cigs.

It would be nice if that's the way it works, but it isn't. What do you think happens to all those wonderful new government programs when tobacco taxes don't raise the expected revenue (and they never do)?

That's right, stupid. They get paid for out of the general fund. So tell me...who is the idiot now?

[PSUFAN]

I never said I liked the tax, or thought it was fair. Luckily, you can avoid it easily.

[Dinsdale]

I never said I liked the tax, or thought it was fair. Luckily, you can avoid it easily.

If one subscribes to the theory that it's legislators' job to spend their time working on social engineering programs, then I suppose that's true.

[Mace]

When I get older...and closer to death.....I may start smoking again just because I enjoyed it.....assuming you'll still be able to buy cigarettes then.

[War Wagon]

I never said I liked the tax, or thought it was fair. Luckily, you can avoid it easily.

If one subscribes to the theory that it's legislators' job to spend their time working on social engineering programs, then I suppose that's true.

More like, singling out easy targets and making them social pariahs.

RACK the state of Missouri for having the lowest per pack tax on smokes in the country, and it's not even close. Folks from the 8 neighboring states make the drive here to get their fix on a weekly basis. And not just on tobacco, but alcohol and gasoline as well.

Of course, the liberal ninnies at the KC Star and elsewhere around the state are up in arms over this situation and are demanding the state legislature raise sin taxes to suit their agenda, that of controlling other peoples behavior. Fuck those cunts.

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana. That's some real great company, Whitey. You should be proud.

[Mace]

I never said I liked the tax, or thought it was fair. Luckily, you can avoid it easily.

If one subscribes to the theory that it's legislators' job to spend their time working on social engineering programs, then I suppose that's true.

More like, singling out easy targets and making them social pariahs.

RACK the state of Missouri for having the lowest per pack tax on smokes in the country, and it's not even close. Folks from the 8 neighboring states make the drive here to get their fix on a weekly basis. And not just on tobacco, but alcohol and gasoline as well.

Of course, the liberal ninnies at the KC Star and elsewhere around the state are up in arms over this situation and are demanding the state legislature raise sin taxes to suit their agenda, that of controlling other peoples behavior. Fuck those cunts.

Missouri is raking in millions, if not billions, from out of staters making the drive to help out the Missouri taxpayers. Iowa, for one, is losing millions because our former governor thought it was a great idea to raise all of the sin taxes. Free enterprise is working in Missouri's favor right now. I make the trip to buy Skoal at almost half the price of what it cost me here.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Yes, you can say that a proprietor should have the choice but the reality is that none of them would have the guts to go smoke-free, it’s a proven loser.

Not sure if I agree with this, I think it depends on the setting you're talking about. In a bar? Maybe. In a restaurant that happens to have a bar inside? I don't think so.

The family and I like to go out for dinner every once in awhile. My wife and son both have asthma. I don't, but I'm a non-smoker who happens, on a personal level, to find the odor of cigarette smoke unpleasant, even nauseating. So of course, we all prefer non-smoking.

Thing is, back in the day when New York wasn't smoke-free in public places, the waiting time for the non-smoking section invariably was longer than the waiting time for the smoking section. Maybe the restaurants we tended to frequent just didn't have the right proportion of smoking/non-smoking areas to meet their customers' needs, I dunno. In any event, New York is now smoke-free in public places, so that's no longer an issue for us.

Tough shit. Majority rules, and the majority no longer smoke. Go outside for 5 minutes and enjoy your cigarette.

Yep. I'm a non-smoker, always have been and always will be. Both my parents were heavy smokers when I was a kid, to the point where I can remember feeling nauseated at the dinner table, even asking them to put the cigarettes out. Mom quit in 1987, Dad didn't quit until 2000, by which time ALS already had robbed him of his ability to light a match or lighter and hold a lit cigarette, and since no one else was willing to do it for him, he didn't have much choice. A smoking ban in public places does not bother me one bit.

Oh, and since Birkenstocks have been mentioned in this thread, here's one liberal who wouldn't be caught dead in a pair of Birkenstocks, no matter how much you paid me. Sandals are for women, period.

[Screw_Michigan]

I make the trip to buy Skoal at almost half the price of what it cost me here.

I quit last Monday. It's a bitch when I'm drunk, but when I'm sober, it's really not a big deal.

[Mace]

I make the trip to buy Skoal at almost half the price of what it cost me here.

I quit last Monday. It's a bitch when I'm drunk, but when I'm sober, it's really not a big deal.

Yep, I need a dip when drinking beer....or coffee...and pretty much substitute Skoal for cigarettes. I can't see myself quitting until there's a medical reason to do it.....like getting arthritis in my hands and not being able to open the can. Stupid? Yeah, but we're all going to die anyway.....and it doesn't bother anyone else or pose a health risk to them. Good luck, S_M, as I hear quitting the dip is tougher than cigarettes.