Hey Gee, you POS

[SunCoastSooner]

Okie State lost to VT. E.O.S. I don't give a shit what pussies they sent out on the mat.

Iowa is in a rebuiding year but if you think they're going to disappear from the wrestling elite, you're fucking nuts.

Feel free to continue argueing with yourself about which conference tournament is the toughest. :roll:

Yeah the same Virginia Tech that is ranked higher than Iowa as of this morning in both major polls.

[Mace]

Yeah the same Virginia Tech that is ranked higher than Iowa as of this morning in both major polls.

If I were claiming that Iowa should be more highly ranked, you'd have a point. You don't, dumbfuck.

[SunCoastSooner]

Yeah the same Virginia Tech that is ranked higher than Iowa as of this morning in both major polls.

If I were claiming that Iowa should be more highly ranked, you'd have a point. You don't, dumbfuck.

Like I said... Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have never finished outside the top ten at the NCAA tourney... EVER; Iowa will likely do so for the third time in the last 11 tournaments this season. But hey y'all are the elite end all be all over Oklahoma State even though they have more overall titles and just as many the last decade as Iowa.

[Mace]

I guess you were right, Suncoast, Iowa really does suck at wrestling this season. Hell, they only managed a 15-15 tie on the road at Okie State that snapped a 69 dual meet win streak for the Hawkeyes. Damn, they really do suck.

[Goober McTuber]

Why don’t you “grapplers” take this gay-assed thread to the wrestling forum.

[Mace]

Why don’t you “grapplers” take this gay-assed thread to the wrestling forum.

Your presence makes this thread gay enough for wrestling posts.

[Goober McTuber]

Good one, KC Mace.

[indyfrisco]

Soooooooooooo not ghey...

[SunCoastSooner]

I guess you were right, Suncoast, Iowa really does suck at wrestling this season. Hell, they only managed a 15-15 tie on the road at Okie State that snapped a 69 dual meet win streak for the Hawkeyes. Damn, they really do suck.

You didn't actually watch the match did you? I watched with my father and uncle. First of all Oklahoma State was robbed of 16-15/18-15/19-15 victory. Oliver was robbed of his bonus points for riding time at 133; what was even worse was the Iowa's Tyler Clark blatantly stalling the entire match after the first minute because Oliver was rolling him up constantly and should have had points deducted but only received two formal cautions and numerous verbal warnings from the official. Oliver should have been awarded the major decision rather than just the decision on points. I thought either John Smith or Oliver himself was going to turn the official into a pretzel after that match. Dallas Bailey pinned Janssen at 165 and instead was only awarded near fall points after the ref stood there with his thumb up his ass waiting for the Iowa kid to finally create some momentum and roll off his back.

At the NCAA tourny Oklahoma State will easily finish far higher in points than Iowa. All I saw out of Iowa last night was one wrestler who will compete for even all american status (Matt McDonough at 125). Oklahoma State has three legitimate national title contenders with Oliver, Parks, and Foster; one other threat for All American accolades. What I came away with from watching Iowa was they have one great grappler in McDonough at 125, three above average kids, two serviceable, and four kids that might qualify for the NCAA tourny and if so I would consider it lucky for the Hawkeyes if they even garner points in the wrestleback brackets.

I'd pretty much guarantee that Cornell, Penn State, Boise State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Wisconsin, American, Lehigh, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota all finish above Iowa at the NCAA tourney while they suck wind and ride out the storm in a pack that includes Arizona State, Central Michigan, Rutgers, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Iowa State. Iowa has one real threat to produce any real points at the NCAA tourney while they star up at a number of teams who have between 3 and 6 wrestlers who aren't just threats for All American status but at standing on the podium with a medal at the end.

I think Hawkeye nation just needs to come to terms that they are likely staring into an era where they're looking at the dust trail on Penn State even in their own conference. Cael Sanderson in just two seasons has brought Penn State back and now they're so damn deep they have kids who don't see themselves ever getting on the mat transferring out west and being ranked in the top 10 from day 1 according to intermat, themat, and Wrestling Report. They have developed a squad which has a wrestler in the top 20 of all but one weight class. Right now the only team I can even see competing with Penn State this season or next is Minnesota and maybe Wisconsin.

[Mace]

When did you move to Nebraska? :roll:

[SunCoastSooner]

When did you move to Nebraska? :roll:

Dude, I ain't no Okie State fan. Oklahoma State deserved the victory last night both Oliver and Bailey were screwed. Oliver really more so than Bailey, Bailey was one bad call by the official. The stalling on Oliver by the Iowa guy was blatant and absurd; I never have seen a kid get so many verbal warnings as well as two formal cautions and not get points deducted before, EVER.

At the end of the season Oklahoma State will finish in the top 6 of the country with multiple all americans while Iowa sits in the middle of the also ran pack below tenth place.

[Mace]

[I'd pretty much guarantee that Cornell, Penn State, Boise State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Wisconsin, American, Lehigh, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota all finish above Iowa at the NCAA tourney while they suck wind and ride out the storm in a pack that includes Arizona State, Central Michigan, Rutgers, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Iowa State.

I think Hawkeye nation just needs to come to terms that they are likely staring into an era where they're looking at the dust trail on Penn State even in their own conference. Cael Sanderson in just two seasons has brought Penn State back and now they're so damn deep they have kids who don't see themselves ever getting on the mat transferring out west and being ranked in the top 10 from day 1 according to intermat, themat, and Wrestling Report. They have developed a squad which has a wrestler in the top 20 of all but one weight class. Right now the only team I can even see competing with Penn State this season or next is Minnesota and maybe Wisconsin.

Penn State? Really? 22-13. You really don't know shit about college wrestling, do you?

Iowa still has a lot to do but they're much better than you give them credit for. They tied Okie State and beat Penn State...both on the road, and remain undefeated in duals. They'll be ready by the time they head to Philly. The return of Montel Marion won't hurt either.

[SunCoastSooner]

[I'd pretty much guarantee that Cornell, Penn State, Boise State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Wisconsin, American, Lehigh, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota all finish above Iowa at the NCAA tourney while they suck wind and ride out the storm in a pack that includes Arizona State, Central Michigan, Rutgers, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Iowa State.

I think Hawkeye nation just needs to come to terms that they are likely staring into an era where they're looking at the dust trail on Penn State even in their own conference. Cael Sanderson in just two seasons has brought Penn State back and now they're so damn deep they have kids who don't see themselves ever getting on the mat transferring out west and being ranked in the top 10 from day 1 according to intermat, themat, and Wrestling Report. They have developed a squad which has a wrestler in the top 20 of all but one weight class. Right now the only team I can even see competing with Penn State this season or next is Minnesota and maybe Wisconsin.

Penn State? Really? 22-13. You really don't know shit about college wrestling, do you?

Iowa still has a lot to do but they're much better than you give them credit for. They tied Okie State and beat Penn State...both on the road, and remain undefeated in duals. They'll be ready by the time they head to Philly. The return of Montel Marion won't hurt either.

You think a dual is a real indicator in how a team wrestles in a tournament #1 shows what you know about wrestling in general. Secondly how much do you know about college wrestling period was just shown since you only looked at a box score and are completely oblivious that Penn State sat 4 starters against Iowa on February 3rd; hell they wrestled a 3rd string true freshman at 125 pounds because Brad Pataky was held out the match and a walk on wrestler without a scholarship at 197. Congrats on getting a pin against a 3rd string true frosh.

[Mace]

You think a dual is a real indicator in how a team wrestles in a tournament #1 shows what you know about wrestling in general. Secondly how much do you know about college wrestling period was just shown since you only looked at a box score and are completely oblivious that Penn State sat 4 starters against Iowa on February 3rd; hell they wrestled a 3rd string true freshman at 125 pounds because Brad Pataky was held out the match and a walk on wrestler without a scholarship at 197. Congrats on getting a pin against a 3rd string true frosh.

Aren't you the stupid douchebag who made the argument that Iowa builds their team for the tournament and that the only true test of a team was dual competition? Yeah, that's what I thought. Iowa is undefeated in duals so far this season, with their only blemish being a tie with Okie State in Stillwater. You can't have it both ways, dumbass. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you ignorant piece of shit.

Btw, dumbfuck, Pataky was undoubtedly held out because he didn't have the balls to face McDonough.

[SunCoastSooner]

You think a dual is a real indicator in how a team wrestles in a tournament #1 shows what you know about wrestling in general. Secondly how much do you know about college wrestling period was just shown since you only looked at a box score and are completely oblivious that Penn State sat 4 starters against Iowa on February 3rd; hell they wrestled a 3rd string true freshman at 125 pounds because Brad Pataky was held out the match and a walk on wrestler without a scholarship at 197. Congrats on getting a pin against a 3rd string true frosh.

Aren't you the stupid douchebag who made the argument that Iowa builds their team for the tournament and that the only true test of a team was dual competition? Yeah, that's what I thought. Iowa is undefeated in duals so far this season, with their only blemish being a tie with Okie State in Stillwater. You can't have it both ways, dumbass. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, you ignorant piece of shit.

Btw, dumbfuck, Pataky was undoubtedly held out because he didn't have the balls to face McDonough.

Pataky has been injured for two weeks and hadn't wrestled in the last 3 duels before Iowa. And no I never made any argument about duels being the only factor in determining a teams true worth. I only ever said that my family members who actually wrestled in college were always pissed that they drubbed Iowa like redheaded step children in duels throughout the 70s, 80s, and into the 90s but kept finishing behind them in the tournament. The more you open your mouth the more you make it obvious I know more about Iowa wrestling this season than you. Iowa is still starring right into the very real possibility that they will be absent representatives at the NCAA tournament in four different weight classes. Cornell, Penn State, Boise State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Lehigh, American, and Arizona State will qualify grapplers at all ten weight classes. Rutgers, Missouri, Iowa State, and Penn all have good shots at qualifying ten and will almost certainly qualify at least 9. Congrats on your win streak which as usual contained a whopping two teams outside of conference who were ranked... that's so totally impressive. I mean it's a lot more difficult to do that than face five or six ranked opponents OOC like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Minnesota, Boise State, and Arizona State... OU, OSU, and MU doing it while facing a conference schedule with every school ranked and the most ranked single grapplers of any conference. Go see if Chatanooga, Coe, and Central Iowa CC need some more matches.

I was real impressed with your nine point victory against the Cyclones at home earlier this season... really prepared them for the 33-7 shellacking they received from my Sooners in Ames. Congrats on your victory over the Penn State JV.

[Mace]

And no I never made any argument about duels being the only factor in determining a teams true worth.

No? How about this?

]Also Iowa has always greatly benefited from the large field format the NCAA tournament provides to crown its "national champion" and since they don't have a duals national tournament there really isn't any other measuring stick. Gable designed his teams specifically for the NCAA tournament format. Their program has always shunned the more prestigious smaller field tournaments such as the Brockport Gold, Reno Tourney of Champions, and Cliff Keen Invitational. Iowa has designed its team to rack up a number of points in the early rounds through the random draw outside of the seedings. You stick numerous of those national title Iowa teams from the NCAA tourny in a smaller elite field composed of the likes of just Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Penn State, Cornell, Nebraska, and Lehigh they don't walk away with the trophy. In many of those title years if you put them in a Duals tournament they don't walk away with the title. The NCAA tournament is a wrestling tournament that is so bloated that it rewards teams with the fewest "weak links" instead of the best field of wrestlers; anyone who is familiar with the sport and how a tournament is scored recognizes this and is beyond debate. Large field tournaments do not reward the best overall team they reward the team who is able to steal first and second round wins through the random draw outside of the seeded positions.

So, you're not only a dumbfuck, you're a liar as well. Props to you.

[SunCoastSooner]

And no I never made any argument about duels being the only factor in determining a teams true worth.

No? How about this?

]Also Iowa has always greatly benefited from the large field format the NCAA tournament provides to crown its "national champion" and since they don't have a duals national tournament there really isn't any other measuring stick. Gable designed his teams specifically for the NCAA tournament format. Their program has always shunned the more prestigious smaller field tournaments such as the Brockport Gold, Reno Tourney of Champions, and Cliff Keen Invitational. Iowa has designed its team to rack up a number of points in the early rounds through the random draw outside of the seedings. You stick numerous of those national title Iowa teams from the NCAA tourny in a smaller elite field composed of the likes of just Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Penn State, Cornell, Nebraska, and Lehigh they don't walk away with the trophy. In many of those title years if you put them in a Duals tournament they don't walk away with the title. The NCAA tournament is a wrestling tournament that is so bloated that it rewards teams with the fewest "weak links" instead of the best field of wrestlers; anyone who is familiar with the sport and how a tournament is scored recognizes this and is beyond debate. Large field tournaments do not reward the best overall team they reward the team who is able to steal first and second round wins through the random draw outside of the seeded positions.

So, you're not only a dumbfuck, you're a liar as well. Props to you.

Maybe its an Iowa thing but your reading comprehension needs a lot of help. I just said Iowa designed its team for the tourney under Gable... Where is Gable again? Oh yeah retired.

I said you shunned major competitions... one Kaufmann-Brand Invitational in the last decade, one midlands in the last decade, one Cliff Keen in the last decade, no Brockport appearances, no Reno appearances. All tourneys that every other major program in the country competes in at least once every three or four years alternating and sometimes in multiple of them

The NCAA tourney isn't bloated compared to the other major tournaments? it has a minimum of 32 wrestlers in every bracket and often many of them didn't even finish on the podium at their conference tourney.

Large field tourneys don't reward better overall squads in favor of early round passing points? I find it hard to believe you have ever come near a mat in your entire life. You're one of the most ignorant people I have ever attempted to discuss the sport with. There isn't a single person who has ever come near the sport that can't tell you that the key in big tournaments isn't early round advancements as oppossed to smaller more slect fields where the key is being strong at every class with a threat of getting placement points.

[Mace]

Okay, you ignorant fucking douchebag, I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Iowa finishes out of the top 10 and down with the middle of pack teams like you predicted. :roll: Do you honestly think Brands is altering the successful formula used by Gable? The 2010 team was 23-0 in dual competition (including the best teams in the country) and won the national title, which pretty much nullifies your bullshit theory that they can't compete in head to head competition and are designed for the open tournament. We'll find out next weekend just how many Hawkeyes will head to the National Tournament and, when Iowa contends for the national title this year, you can just shut the fuck up and admit that you know far less about Iowa wrestling than you'd like to think. If they do finish down in the "middle of the pack", you can scream "scoreboard". Personally, I think you should prepare to go fuck yourself.

[Mace]

Okay, Suncoast.....you still wanna talk about the tournament?

At the NCAA tourny Oklahoma State will easily finish far higher in points than Iowa.

If by "far higher" you meant a distant fourth behind Iowa, then you'd be correct.

All I saw out of Iowa last night was one wrestler who will compete for even all american status (Matt McDonough at 125). Oklahoma State has three legitimate national title contenders with Oliver, Parks, and Foster; one other threat for All American accolades. What I came away with from watching Iowa was they have one great grappler in McDonough at 125, three above average kids, two serviceable, and four kids that might qualify for the NCAA tourny and if so I would consider it lucky for the Hawkeyes if they even garner points in the wrestleback brackets.

McDonough, the defending national champion, got 2nd this year and Iowa had 5 all-americans...compared to Okie State's three. Iowa qualified 9 for the tournament, not four. Yeah, you were nails on all of those predictions. :roll:

I'd pretty much guarantee that Cornell, Penn State, Boise State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Wisconsin, American, Lehigh, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota all finish above Iowa at the NCAA tourney while they suck wind and ride out the storm in a pack that includes Arizona State, Central Michigan, Rutgers, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Iowa State. Iowa has one real threat to produce any real points at the NCAA tourney while they star up at a number of teams who have between 3 and 6 wrestlers who aren't just threats for All American status but at standing on the podium with a medal at the end.

Well, at least you were right about Penn State and Cornell. The Big 12...errr, Five, pretty much sucked throughout the tournament with all of them except Okie State finishing between 12th and 20th. The top ten was dominated by Big Ten teams (four of them) and Penn State ran away with the title. Anyway, there's no way that the Brands brothers will ever let Iowa fall off the face of the wrestling map and they will continue to be a force in college wrestling. Iowa finishing second by one point to PSU in the Big Ten's should have told you that upfront.

[Mace]

I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that SunCoast lacks the balls to come in here and come correct. No, I'm not surprised at all.

[Carson]

It's Spring Break and he lives in Destin, asswipe.

[Mace]

It's Spring Break and he lives in Destin, asswipe.

He was in here the day after the tournament ended, asshole, so it's likely he hasn't the balls to sack up....not that it's any of your fucking concern.