Al Gore explains "Snowmageddon"

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:37 am

Martyred wrote: Nuclear.

The French are so far ahead of you on this, it's laughable. Fucking American dopes.

Absolutely nuclear power is part of the solution. The more electrical power we generate with nuclear energy, the less coal and natural gas we need to use for that purpose. We can then focus coal and natural gas on fueling motor vehicles.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:38 am

Martyred wrote:"over-representing facts" isn't lying, in and of itself.

It certainly is "lying in and of itself."

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:11 am

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Uh..Wllie, you do know that the Bush fortune was made by working hand in glove with the Nazis right up to 1942, right?
Wrong.

WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

Now go curl up with yer flask.

Despite the obvious suggestions of practical energy alternatives like green diesel and nuclear, by ignoring the basic fact of deep pocket oil concerns bankrolling fatuous "expert panels" in basic strategy of tedious foot dragging, you're not even really addressing the issue. The religious element as well is central to the problem.

Why waste your time by ignoring this and offering dreary comments?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:50 am

Martyred wrote:
Truman wrote: So what's your solution, Merde?

Got a viable alternative energy solution worthy of discussion to fuel a nation of 340 million? Got a delivery system to put it in place?

Nuclear.

The French are so far ahead of you on this, it's laughable. Fucking American dopes.

France? France?

Care to share with us the domestic, carbon-based energy reserves France has nurtured, developed, and now presently enjoys?

Oh, snap. You can't. They have none.

Add that to the the "Sucks to be French" list.

Like it or not, tovarisch, your li'l socialist backwater and protectorate bound to your Dear Uncle is tied to the saddle of US energy policy.

France ahead of us? We'll build nukes when we're damn ready, and you will too when we tell you it's time. And we'll do it better than anybody else in the world. Why? Because that's how we roll. We're America. By definition, that means you and everybody else on this godforsaken rock sucks. Perhaps you Canuckleheads can slip the need to improve our nuclear capacity past our Greenies. Wishful thinking. Canadian thinking isn't even as relevant as that presently enjoyed in North Dakota. THEY, at least, have a Senate vote...

Posture all you will, Merde, but in the end....

Your still Canada.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:19 am

Truman wrote:
Like it or not, tovarisch, your li'l socialist backwater and protectorate bound to your Dear Uncle is tied to the saddle of US energy policy.

You keep saying that. What does it even mean?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:23 am

Truman wrote:...We'll...
...we're...
...we...
...we'll...
...we...
...our...

You keep speaking in the plural. Do you have a midget in your pocket?
Who is this "we" that you're referring to?

You need to get over your Big Country/Little Man complex.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:51 am

I ask a simple favor -- would anyone suggesting "nuclear" kindly shut the living fuck up, crack a book, and figure out what you're talking about?

Then again, maybe if the USA actually fired off their enrichment facility with a nuke plant, rather than the ridiculous petroleum-fired plants they currently use, we might be on to something.

Then again, where does high-grade, easily-enriched uranium come from these days? Light coming on yet, morons? Wait, since some of y'all's is tards, I'll help you out -- that ship sailed, and most of the "good stuff" that's left is in Iran.

Although I believe we're building a second enrichment facility... which is dumb (the USA can't provide enough uranium to fire our own reactors).

Fission is a loser... always has been (illegal in Oregon these days). Someone wake me up when fusion is viable.

And BTW, Marty Red -- are you serious?

The French?

Let me help you with a couple of things that your canatuckian brainwashing has stolen from your "intelligence"...

First, despite whatever Upper Mexican history books may have taught you (canada is pretty fucking bad when it comes to endoctrination -- worse than the USA ever thought of being), uhm...

We made the shit spit out electrons in a meaningful way (some stupid Frog/DifficultyScrewingInLightBulber bitch paved the way... fuck her). And have pretty much made every advancement in the science since then.

Second... fusion.

Yeah, we discovered that, too. (Go ahead and chime in with all of the great scientific/medical/technological advancements that Canassippi has brought to the world at any time)... and what's even better...

The time has come to put a lot of time, money, and effort into harnessing fusion power (although with the current link to politics, government funding. grant-whores, and the Evil UN, it's bred a bunch of liars, just like "global warming"). But, there's an inherent risk involved -- you start releasing that much energy at a whack, and bad, bad things could potentially happen.

So where did the USA build their fusion research facility... remind me again?

Nevada desert?

Nope.

Texas?

Nope.

Some atoll in the Pacific we stole?

Nope... we built that risky-ass unknown shit in... France.

Remind me again how much nuclear BODE they have on the USA again?

Wait -- I just tried to explain the concept of "BODE" to an Upper Mexican... my bad. "Foreign" concept to you, to be certain... "foreign" as in "that foreign country to your south."

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:52 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:WASHINGTON -- After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

Oh...is that how the Bush fortune was made? Acting as "business partner" and "banking operative" (whatever that means) for a minor German industrialist? Really?

Got any specific figures? How much money did Bush make from this endeavor? Go ahead...lay it out for us.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:53 am

Martyred wrote:Do you have a midget in your pocket?

No, but if I could photochop for a shit, quite a few people here would in short order.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:55 am

Martyred wrote:
Truman wrote:...We'll...
...we're...
...we...
...we'll...
...we...
...our...
You keep speaking in the plural. Do you have a midget in your pocket?
Who is this "we" that you're referring to?

You need to get over your Big Country/Little Man complex.

To placate a subordinate?[/swats gnats]

Check your sleeve, Komrade... Your Inferiority Complex is showing.

I can see where that "were better than you" stuff might grate when you live in a Euro-centric Socialist shithouse that comes up far short compared to the Shining City Upon the Hill..

Seriously, Merde, you know our history... Take The Test. Join our team, and by God, do it legally. Hell, you already speak our language. Yeah, Phibes'll be crushed and your spelling needs work...

Effect Change from within.

Screwy and 30 million illegal messicans welcome your citizenry....

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:58 am

Dinsdale wrote:Then again, where does high-grade, easily-enriched uranium come from these days? Light coming on yet, morons? Wait, since some of y'all's is tards, I'll help you out -- that ship sailed, and most of the "good stuff" that's left is in Iran.

If by "Iran" you mean Australia, Canada and the US then you are correct. If not, then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:18 am

Christ knows what this is all about, you buy everything from us. Hydro-electric, nuclear, oil. We got it, you need it. Problem is, you're fucking deadbeats with more credit than cash now and the only one that can pay starts with 'Peoples Republic'.
Shame watching an old heavyweight fall from grace without any dignity, it's embarrassing for everyone.

Like Mao said, better a reed than an oak.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:27 am

Dr_Phibes wrote:Christ knows what this is all about, you buy everything from us. Hydro-electric, nuclear, oil. We got it, you need it. Problem is, you're fucking deadbeats with more credit than cash now and the only one that can pay starts with 'Peoples Republic'.
Shame watching an old heavyweight fall from grace without any dignity, it's embarrassing for everyone.

Like Mao said, better a reed than an oak.

You remain our "neighbour" only because we don't presently need the lebensraum. Make your time....

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:29 am

Take all the lebensraum you want, it's useless, frozen shite. Bring on the Mexicans, they'll be gone in a fortnight.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:38 am

Dr_Phibes wrote:Take all the lebensraum you want, it's useless, frozen shite. Bring on the Mexicans, they'll be gone in a fortnight.

We'da done it already if it weren't for about 18 million of you fuckers living within 75 miles o' the border and all guaranteed to vote Democrat.

At least you could count on the Fed to help bring the NHL back to Quebec City....

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:35 am

Truman wrote:
Dr_Phibes wrote:Take all the lebensraum you want, it's useless, frozen shite. Bring on the Mexicans, they'll be gone in a fortnight.
We'da done it already if it weren't for about 18 million of you fuckers living within 75 miles o' the border and all guaranteed to vote Democrat.

At least you could count on the Fed to help bring the NHL back to Quebec City....

I laffed. Hard.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:19 pm

Truman wrote: Felix....One Big Happy Socialist Government idealist that looks to get into our wallets looks to create a "solution".

where did you ever get the idea that I'm in favor of socialism? I simply believe that we should take care of the planet we live on and provide a habitable living environment for the generations that will follow....

And we're America. We WILL develop alternative fuel. But not because a whole buncha greenie, knotted sweater-around-the-neck do-gooders like you say it's the right thing to do. We'll invent it because there's a market. No other reason.

and where exactly do you think the money for developing alternative energy solutions will come from....previously you whined about "the greenies" getting into your wallet, then you propose that somehow, someway, the United States will come up with an alternative fuel source.....so who's going to pay for the research and development? Oil companies?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:08 pm

Foolix wrote:where did you ever get the idea that I'm in favor of socialism? I simply believe that we should take care of the planet we live on and provide a habitable living environment for the generations that will follow....

"Cap and Trade" and "Carbon Offsets" can't BE anymore philosophically socialist. Not only is it arrogant to assume that mankind is solely responsible for the change in earth's climate, it's even doubly arrogant to assume that our efforts - as manipulated, mandated, and directed by Big Government - will impact our climate enough to change it back.

BTW, WHO determines that the climate of 30 years ago to be "optimal" for this planet today? TOO much data has been presented that suggests that all this rock does IS change. We as a species will die out one day ... And earth will be just fine.

and where exactly do you think the money for developing alternative energy solutions will come from....previously you whined about "the greenies" getting into your wallet, then you propose that somehow, someway, the United States will come up with an alternative fuel source.....so who's going to pay for the research and development? Oil companies?

Where does any innovation in this country originate? The private sector, dickhead. It sure as hell won't come from the insular offices of a bunch mindless, bureaucratic, do-gooder paper pushers or junk-science techno-weenies suckling at the government tit that presently play host to this Fraud.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:51 pm

"We should get the oil needle out of our veins as soon as possible."

Deniers: ~crickets~ Pause … then “Well AG is an ass and it’s not that hot and big $ is behind AG blah blah blah.”

:doh: :doh: :doh:

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:23 pm

Truman wrote:
"Cap and Trade" and "Carbon Offsets" can't BE anymore philosophically socialist. Not only is it arrogant to assume that mankind is solely responsible for the change in earth's climate, it's even doubly arrogant to assume that our efforts - as manipulated, mandated, and directed by Big Government - will impact our climate enough to change it back.

and where did you get the idea I was in favor of cap and trade and carbon offset programs? the only way those types of programs would work is if all the major powers were to agree to them and I can't see India or China being willing to participate.....

BTW, WHO determines that the climate of 30 years ago to be "optimal" for this planet today? TOO much data has been presented that suggests that all this rock does IS change. We as a species will die out one day ... And earth will be just fine.

who ever said the climate 30 years ago was optimal? the only thing I've said is that based on the scientific data I've read, the earth is warming and that I based on the evidence I've seen, I believe that man contributes to that warming....seriously, where do you dig this shit up from?

Where does any innovation in this country originate? The private sector, dickhead.

and exactly which part of the private sector do you see investing the monies needed for research and development of such alternative energy sources?

It sure as hell won't come from the insular offices of a bunch mindless, bureaucratic, do-gooder paper pushers or junk-science techno-weenies suckling at the government tit that presently play host to this Fraud.

I can see this is pretty upsetting to you

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:27 pm

Felix wrote:based on the scientific data I've read, the earth is warming and that I based on the evidence I've seen, I believe that man contributes to that warming....

Incorrect.

You haven't been allowed to read any "scientific" data in years.

You've been fed political data.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:30 pm

Oh really, Dins?

And the MIT studies are political, but the Koch funded denialist "expert panels" are scientific?

You're a joke.

I mean consider....Glenn Beck is in total agreement with you. And Rusp Limpdick...and Sarah Palin...

The other hacks and whores bought outright to parrot the Koch line of Denial are no more credible than those obvious morons....or what?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:48 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote: And the MIT studies are political, but the Koch funded denialist "expert panels" are scientific?

Nice that you cite the employer of the greatest climate scientist alive today... who thinks you're a rube.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:49 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:the Koch funded denialist

As opposed to the Soros-funded cultists?

Funny stuff, bro.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:02 am

What's this Soros conspiracy bullshit? I know it's Glenn Beck's standard loony line...but why are you parading it out like it means something?

Look...you and your denialist attitude are reflected by Glenn Beck, Limpdick, Inhofe, Palin, DeMint, O'Reilly....??..Okay? I mean that's your credibility. And that's nothing. They're hacks who can't actually debate anything. Their Koch-funded studies are just a fierce lobbying ploy to plow ahead toward more oil shale and less regulation.

Who are you kidding?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:07 pm

Dinsdale wrote: Incorrect.

You haven't been allowed to read any "scientific" data in years.

You've been fed political data.

really? that's a pretty widespread conspiracy.....just a question-how exactly do you think the US convinced so many of the climate scientists from other parts of the world to participate in this conspiracy? scientists like Ulf Büntgen, Willy Tegel, Kurt Nicolussi, Michael McCormick, David Frank, Valerie Trouet, Jed O. Kaplan, Franz Herzig, Karl-Uwe Heussner, Heinz Wanner, Jürg Luterbacher, Jan Esper

inquiring minds want to know.....

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:58 pm

No, SS.the FOX connection is not merely a tangent fact, it's the ENTIRE support for this fatuous and shameless stalling effort sponsored directly by the oil interests. The blathering hacks like Limpdick and O'reilly are morons and you know it. You know perfectly well they'll say any distorted inversion of any reality that their sponsors oppose. As for Palin and the moronic Christers...well why aren't you embarrassed that this pathetic group should round out the support for the Denialists.

THERE"S NO ONE ELSE!!!!

All of the actual independent scientific bodies are completely acknowledging Climate Change and looking for solutions. And they outnumber the Koch-sponsored hack panels by about ONE HUNDRED TO ONE.

Game over, asshole.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:27 pm

Well, try and parse this...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... rint.story

It basically details the concerted efforts of the billionaire Koch brothers in hijacking the fake Denialist movement.

If you have any problems with any big words I'll help you out.

As for the obvious hack nature of the FOX blatherers ...well..are you prepared to dispute that?

As for the Jew smear, forget it. The Zionazi state is going down, properly and inevitably without any bigotry or slurs. Stay focused.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:40 pm

88 wrote: Felix-
If you're going to list the authors of a paper, you should at least read what they say in it:

the point of my post was to simply point out that dins asserts there is some sort of climate warming conspiracy and that would necessitate that tens of thousands of climate scientists would all have to be in on this conspiracy

btw, the article you cited isn't the only scientific paper those scientists have written...

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:04 pm

88 wrote: You posted a string of "climate scientists" in your post. So I linked to a paper they published just last month that includes all of their names in the exact order set forth in your post. And now you say that the paper I linked isn't the only scientific paper those scientists have written. OK. I'll play. What other "scientific paper" have those scientists written that supports your proposition that human carbon dioxide emissions are driving climate change? And why didn't you link to it the first time?

I never asserted they were proponents of anthropomorphic climate change (ACC), I simply cited them as non-american climate scientists....I didn't read the article, because that wasn't the point of my post....but look, if you'd like me to provide you with a list of non-US climate scientists that are proponents of ACC I'll be happy to do so.....

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:51 pm

Cut the bullshit, SS, and start explaining how the Koch billionaires buying "expert opinion" is somehow valid? Especially when their sponsored results are supported ONLY by FOX hacks and moronic Christers.

Go ahead, it could be amusing.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:58 pm

88-here's a brief list of some (of the many) foreign scientists that are proponents of man-caused global warming and the countries they come from....I've tried not to repeat any countries but if I have you'll just have to cut me some slack.....

Hans Alexandersson-Sweden
Lisa Alexander-UK
Hines Blatter-Switzerland
Warren Tennant-South Africa
Kimio Hanawa-Japan
Jean Jouzel-France
John Scinocca-Canada
Robert Sausen-Germany
Ian Allison-Australia
Shivin Liu-China
John Antonoy-Russia
Graciela Raga-Mexico
Cecilie Mauritzen-Norway
Abdalah Mokssit-Morocco
Marie-France Loutre-Belgium
Daniel Olago-Kenya
A. Brett Mullan-New Zealand
Govind Ballabh Pant-India
Melachor La-Spain
Twan Noije-Netherlands
Abdoulaye Sarr-Senegal
Paola Rizzoli-Italy
George Tselioudis-Greece
Nicholas Robert Bates-Bermuda
Paulo Araxo-Brazil
Anthony Chen-Jamaica
Roxana Bojarju-Romania
Ines Camilloni-Argentina
Kansri Boonprgob-Thailand

If you need more, let me know.....

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:36 pm

So Felix -- see if I have this right...

Someone cooked up a scheme that, at its core, is a plan to redistribute American wealth...

and somehow non-American "scientists" backing the scheme makes it all the more valid?

:worldsbiggestfacepalm:

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:29 am

What's this?....The auto-Soros conspiracy trot out?

Are you fucking kidding?

When we've got the Koch brothers stretched across a barrel, with plain evidence as to their sponsoring not only the Climate Change denialists, but the Tea Baggers as well....how do maintain this idiotic posture of Glenn Beck hysterics.

Do you have anything to back up this inane conspiracy theory? No?...

What a joke!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:53 am

Someone, someday, should do an LTS medley of favorite syllogisms. Just go thru a few ranting posts and renumerate favorite talking points and targets.

I would've by now but everytime I start to try, I wind up laughing hysterically.

We have met the enemy and the enemy is.... a complete assclown.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:01 am

Dinsdale wrote:So Felix -- see if I have this right...

Someone cooked up a scheme that, at its core, is a plan to redistribute American wealth...

and somehow non-American "scientists" backing the scheme makes it all the more valid?

so the science of global warming is just a scheme to redistribute wealth and whoever is behind this scheme (apparently you think it's George Soros) has somehow managed to get thousands of scientists to not only agree on the findings of their research, but has also managed to coerce them into getting behind this wealth redistribution scheme? fuck dude, you've never spent much time around scientists have you?

you'd be lucky to get 4 scientists in the same room to agree that grass is green...

talk about fucking facepalms

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:06 am

Felix wrote:
you'd be lucky to get 4 scientists in the same room to agree that grass is green...

but you can get "thousands" to do it over this? and it's just a few decades removed from 'oh nos, we're going into an ice age!!!!'.

these assclowns claim to be using data from hundreds if not thousands of years.

so how were they all calling for an ice age, mere nanoseconds, climactically speaking, ago?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:58 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:What's this?....The auto-Soros conspiracy trot out?

really, you've got to stop your knee-jerk defense of that filthy jew. In case you don't know it, he doesn't give a shit about you. He'll still be dining on caviar long after you're soylent green

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:51 am

Cuda wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:What's this?....The auto-Soros conspiracy trot out?
really, you've got to stop your knee-jerk defense of that filthy jew. In case you don't know it, he doesn't give a shit about you. He'll still be dining on caviar long after you're soylent green

Defense of what? No one's made a rational charge at all--and certainly no evidence has been produced for any of this Glenn Beck paranoia.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:08 am

:breakinganewrecordforfacepalm:

Felix wrote:so the science of global warming is

Just a marginal theory, that's been militantly kept away from peer-review... unless said "peers" toe the party line... this is indisputable... to take a page from your side's playbook -- this item isn't up for debate.

apparently you think it's George Soros

You apparently haven't been following very closely, since this short sentence includes two inaccuracies:

I don't "think" it's anything -- I KNOW it's Maurice Strong. Crack a history book, bro. He's been at it for 25 years.

How does it feel to know your Leader also bilks people out of their money by running a loony-bin religious cult? And he couldn't just stop at the one cult -- he had to go and create a second, infintely more profitable one... in between his drilling for oil.

Think what you like -- the fact is, this "science" was invented by one man, and one man only -- one with his billionaire sights set directly on your wallet.

has somehow managed to get thousands of scientists to not only agree on the findings of their research, but has also managed to coerce them into getting behind this wealth redistribution scheme?

And Walmart coerced Clinton and Congress to ship millions and millions of American jobs overseas with tax breaks for creating unemployment in America... who woulda believed that shit 25 years ago, eh?

Funny what throwing enough money at a "cause" will do.